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#17381 Akashi

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Posted 17 April 2013 - 09:41 AM

I also don't understand harem manga at all... facepalm.png

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Posted 17 April 2013 - 10:14 AM

QUOTE (Tauriel @ Apr 17 2013, 02:41 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I also don't understand harem manga at all... facepalm.png


I have to agree, harem's are something I have never been into.

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Posted 17 April 2013 - 10:40 AM

QUOTE (六道仙人 @ Apr 16 2013, 11:32 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
all what i want say to that post from tumblr is:



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Ahahaha that's 100% what would happen in a date between them biggrin.gif


I've really wanted to watch one piece anime but no-one has responded to my pleading for a link to watch it. Google has no decent results and crunchyroll doesnt have it shamefulcry0js.gif

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Posted 17 April 2013 - 11:02 AM

Wow... finally caught up with the last 5 chapters. I was satisfied and unsatisfied with the ending of this arc because it seems like Kishi doesn't want to have another epic showdown between Naruto and Sasuke (since it seems that Sasuke has been redeemed by the moment). But, this is a major break for us NS faithful. The outcome between NS and HN is mostly base on SS becoming canon. SasuKar is I though out would determine the advantage that NS and NH. I really like how their interaction was briefly foreshadowed from the point he nearly killed her up till the reunion. And when her heritage was revealed to him. Especially, how he reacted after Karin embraced him. I'm sure SS and NH must bechewing their finger nails of their fingers tongue.gif Overall, I hope Kishi revives Kushina, so Naruto can be with both his parents at the same time.

QUOTE (NaruSaku4Life3g @ Mar 20 2013, 12:23 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Ah, thank you. Yeah, I can see her moving on than anyone else. She seems to pick up quickly. Maybe that's why we don't hear any stuff that relates to confession. I feel like the confession was a one time thing alas fan service because that arc is about how many people in Konoha appreciates Naruto in different ways. Hinata was about thanking him for giving her an inspiration to the point she loves him for it. That's it. At the end, I feel like she is willing to move on without much problem because it will be nice for Naruto to get someone who he loves. She may be a little upset but if Naruto is happy, then that's ok and she will move on and love can always be found anywhere, anytime.



This is exactly I wanted to see happened with her, but the latest developments sadly proves this to be a nonsense. The only theory I have that concludes Hinata being happy for Naruto and Sakura's hug is that she thinks that the bonds and relationship between Naruto and Sakura are filial because they are teammates. And if she really thought that Naruto's feeling for Sakura is more than platonic and filial, Hinata would have considered her first thoughts on the battlefield is to stop chasing naruto and let him be with woman he wants to be with, not try to hold his hand and walk with him blah blah blah... My beleive, Hinata is probably unaware how Naruto really feels for Sakura, for sure we probably would see her envy Sakura by now.

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Posted 17 April 2013 - 11:56 AM

QUOTE (Tauriel @ Apr 17 2013, 04:41 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I also don't understand harem manga at all... facepalm.png


Most harem mangas are really formulaic and stale, but the one I recommended is different. Sure, there are harem undertones, but a lot of it have more of a direction towards friendships and serves a character development device. While it's fun that there's so many girls attracted to the main character, thus resulting in a lot of fan-shipping, but the author makes it clear that there's only one girl for the guy and it's canon. The rest of the girls mostly serve as plot devices for his character development.

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Posted 17 April 2013 - 12:10 PM

QUOTE (Codus N @ Apr 17 2013, 02:56 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Most harem mangas are really formulaic and stale, but the one I recommended is different. Sure, there are harem undertones, but a lot of it have more of a direction towards friendships and serves a character development device. While it's fun that there's so many girls attracted to the main character, thus resulting in a lot of fan-shipping, but the author makes it clear that there's only one girl for the guy and it's canon. The rest of the girls mostly serve as plot devices for his character development.

Harem is still harem no matter how you look at it. tongue.gif
I just find is strange/unrealistic, etc. To me it's just soothe for people who lack any kind of romance/relationships in RL.

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Posted 17 April 2013 - 12:48 PM

Like I said, there are harem undertones, but it's not really there if you actually read the damn story. Yes, he has relationships with several women at a time, but that doesn't always mean it's a romantic relationship. In fact, it's not a straight up harem, either. He goes out on dates with the girls before choosing the final one. In other words, they focus on his relationship one at a time with the girls, but he ends up not being together with them at all. In the end, he only chooses one.

Normally, harems have the girls drop at his feet instantly, but this one doesn't. In fact, the slow progress is so natural that it doesn't end up with a bad taste in your mouth.

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Posted 17 April 2013 - 02:08 PM

QUOTE (Codus N @ Apr 17 2013, 01:46 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I'm not stereotyping you, either. What I meant was that when people say opinions like the one you posted, it irritates me. I'm not mad or annoyed at the person itself, but what I'm annoyed is the seemingly stereotypical opinion you made. And I know you certainly didn't mean it that way, but it certainly came off as that way to me.

Stereotyping is, in essence, making an assumption about someone else. There are a couple of things I really did not appreciate about your post. When you say, "I thought people here would be able to look past that and look at the bigger picture", and then associate my opinion with that comment, it gives people the impression that I'm closed-minded. Secondly, "...opinions like Slextrem's is that they're more or less "Fanservice/Ecchi=trash manga", implies that I think that manga genre is trash, which I don't. Third, you're putting words in my mouth. All because I said:

QUOTE (Slextrem @ Apr 17 2013, 12:24 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Judging by what came up on Google Images, I don't think that series is going to be for me. I'm not into the whole "fan service" concept. sweat.gif


QUOTE (Slextrem @ Apr 17 2013, 12:52 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I don't mean to offend you, Codus. If you like the series, that's great, and I don't doubt that it has a great story to it, but I don't enjoy reading sexual material. I think it's unnecessary, and as Branden said, it takes away from the immersion and ruins my experience. It's just not for me, simple as that.


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I've sampled some series like Fairy Tail, One Piece, and High School of the Dead, all of which have some degree of fan service, and I personally had a harder time reading them because of it. That's why Fairy Tail is the only one that I'm still keeping up with. Does that mean I think that the stories themselves are trash? No. Would I enjoy it better without all of the kittens, ass, and pantie shots? Yes.

I don't doubt that Kimi no Iru Machi has a great story behind it, and I'm glad that you can appreciate the story for what it is, but the degree of sexual content that I found when I Googled the title was more than what I can handle.

Edited by Slextrem, 17 April 2013 - 02:09 PM.


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Posted 17 April 2013 - 02:49 PM

QUOTE (Slextrem @ Apr 17 2013, 10:08 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Stereotyping is, in essence, making an assumption about someone else. There are a couple of things I really did not appreciate about your post. When you say, "I thought people here would be able to look past that and look at the bigger picture", and then associate my opinion with that comment, it gives people the impression that I'm closed-minded. Secondly, "...opinions like Slextrem's is that they're more or less "Fanservice/Ecchi=trash manga", implies that I think that manga genre is trash, which I don't. Third, you're putting words in my mouth. All because I said:





Not cool. down.gif

I've sampled some series like Fairy Tail, One Piece, and High School of the Dead, all of which have some degree of fan service, and I personally had a harder time reading them because of it. That's why Fairy Tail is the only one that I'm still keeping up with. Does that mean I think that the stories themselves are trash? No. Would I enjoy it better without all of the kittens, ass, and pantie shots? Yes.

I don't doubt that Kimi no Iru Machi has a great story behind it, and I'm glad that you can appreciate the story for what it is, but the degree of sexual content that I found when I Googled the title was more than what I can handle.



This is Nami and when I was a huge One Piece Fan trying to talk every friend I know into this Manga.

This is when I became a lesser One Piece fan.

I never loved One Piece because of huge chest.

In other words I completely agree with you.

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Posted 17 April 2013 - 02:54 PM

I agree with Slextrem, and it's not only fanservice that bugs me. Art in general is very important to me when it comes to any comic. Art is a part of the quality after all. That's why I don't check out DBZ either, because the characters look like insects and.. I mean Johnny Bravo has better animation. :3

My dad even asked me if I it was hentai when he saw me watching a OP episode. mellow.gif

Gigguk made a really nice video about fanservice btw. tongue.gif

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Posted 17 April 2013 - 02:56 PM

I still think FT does it the most out of the one you mentioned. Not sure about the High School, but I was turned off when I found the true direction of that show, so I didn't start. Anyway, One Piece did increase the proposition, but at least it doesn't show all day every day. In FT, all chapters need to have one, or at least Hiro might explode. That's my vibe as well as, I hate to say it, the reason to have many female characters. Honestly, that's how I see it.

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Posted 17 April 2013 - 03:43 PM

QUOTE (sushi. @ Apr 16 2013, 01:14 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
That's an evil question. Canon NS kiss or canon NS kids. wasntme.png

My shipping heart says the kiss, but showing the next generation would really reinforce the theme in the series. But I wanna see NH livereactions on YT from the kiss 111189.gif

All in all, I don't know.


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Posted 17 April 2013 - 04:05 PM

QUOTE (Tauriel @ Apr 17 2013, 02:41 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I also don't understand harem manga at all... facepalm.png

Well it depends on how you watch them. I list school days as an example.

Most people who watched school days hated the entire thing and labeled it as the worst anime ever conceived.


I on the other hand laughed through the whole thing. The way the anime tried to be serious while just being utterly over the top terrible was hysterical to me. I watched the entire thing in a day and by the end my chest was aching in pain from the hours of constant laughing.

Then again school days is the only harem I've ever seen.... so I guess I wouldn't be the best person to explain this. unsure.gif


QUOTE (Slextrem @ Apr 17 2013, 07:08 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Stereotyping is, in essence, making an assumption about someone else. There are a couple of things I really did not appreciate about your post. When you say, "I thought people here would be able to look past that and look at the bigger picture", and then associate my opinion with that comment, it gives people the impression that I'm closed-minded. Secondly, "...opinions like Slextrem's is that they're more or less "Fanservice/Ecchi=trash manga", implies that I think that manga genre is trash, which I don't. Third, you're putting words in my mouth. All because I said:





Not cool. down.gif

I've sampled some series like Fairy Tail, One Piece, and High School of the Dead, all of which have some degree of fan service, and I personally had a harder time reading them because of it. That's why Fairy Tail is the only one that I'm still keeping up with. Does that mean I think that the stories themselves are trash? No. Would I enjoy it better without all of the kittens, ass, and pantie shots? Yes.

I don't doubt that Kimi no Iru Machi has a great story behind it, and I'm glad that you can appreciate the story for what it is, but the degree of sexual content that I found when I Googled the title was more than what I can handle.


omfg.gif What!? The only fanservice I can recall in one piece was always few and far between. How exactly did you end up thinking one piece should be listed among ecchi series?





EDIT: fixed a double post

Edited by Branden, 17 April 2013 - 04:19 PM.

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Posted 17 April 2013 - 04:36 PM

QUOTE (Branden @ Apr 17 2013, 11:05 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Well it depends on how you watch them. I list school days as an example.

Most people who watched school days hated the entire thing and labeled it as the worst anime ever conceived.


I on the other hand laughed through the whole thing. The way the anime tried to be serious while just being utterly over the top terrible was hysterical to me. I watched the entire thing in a day and by the end my chest was aching in pain from the hours of constant laughing.

Then again school days is the only harem I've ever seen.... so I guess I wouldn't be the best person to explain this. unsure.gif




omfg.gif What!? The only fanservice I can recall in one piece was always few and far between. How exactly did you end up thinking one piece should be listed among ecchi series?





EDIT: fixed a double post


School Days was a big mess! LMAO! That's pretty much the only one I've watched also, and I couldn't believe the route it took. Pregnant teens. LOL! I watched it back in 08'. Funny show indeed, and I too ran through it in a day.

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Posted 17 April 2013 - 04:45 PM

QUOTE (StriderC @ Apr 17 2013, 12:36 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
School Days was a big mess! LMAO! That's pretty much the only one I've watched also, and I couldn't believe the route it took. Pregnant teens. LOL! I watched it back in 08'. Funny show indeed, and I too ran through it in a day.

You know the sad thing is that anime could have been really good IF, and only if, it ended in episode 6 with a different ending. Funny, because it does feel like what if Naruto goes with Hinata? The answer is: boring. Sadly, I can't use that anime as an example because after episode 6, yeah what the hell did I just watch...

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Posted 17 April 2013 - 04:46 PM

QUOTE (Branden @ Apr 17 2013, 11:05 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
omfg.gif What!? The only fanservice I can recall in one piece was always few and far between. How exactly did you end up thinking one piece should be listed among ecchi series?

Sorry for the misunderstanding! I wasn't trying to say either One Piece or Fairy Tail should be classified as ecchi series. I was just using those as examples of series that have some degree of fan service in them that I've read. With One Piece, all of the women have giant boobs, they flash their cleavage everywhere, and most of the men are perverts. It's not extreme, but it was part of what turned me away from that series. That's not the only reason why I stopped reading it, though.

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Posted 17 April 2013 - 04:48 PM

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Posted 17 April 2013 - 04:51 PM

QUOTE (Slextrem @ Apr 17 2013, 12:46 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Sorry for the misunderstanding! I wasn't trying to say either One Piece or Fairy Tail should be classified as ecchi series. I was just using those as examples of series that have some degree of fan service in them that I've read. With One Piece, all of the women have giant boobs, they flash their cleavage everywhere, and most of the men are perverts. It's not extreme, but it was part of what turned me away from that series. That's not the only reason why I stopped reading it, though.

Funny, I always assume FT is the worst series for teenage girls, due to overblown questionable fanservice. I always ask my gf about that and she was like, "Sigh, well it's close to get to those magic RPG feeling manga, so why not."

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Posted 17 April 2013 - 04:56 PM

QUOTE (sushi. @ Apr 17 2013, 11:48 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
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Nothing wrong with this. I'm pretty evil also considering what I'm gonna do if NS becomes canon. pictureem0.gif th_7eyytubokky7rehok1k.gif

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Hinata reminds me of Makoto or whatever her name was. The darker haired girl. LOL It was alright at first but as you've said, it went downhill when he turns into a player. LMAO.

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Posted 17 April 2013 - 04:59 PM

QUOTE (StriderC @ Apr 17 2013, 12:56 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Nothing wrong with this. I'm pretty evil also considering what I'm gonna do if NS becomes canon. pictureem0.gif th_7eyytubokky7rehok1k.gif

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Hinata reminds me of Makoto or whatever her name was. The darker haired girl. LOL It was alright at first but as you've said, it went downhill when he turns into a player. LMAO.

Exactly. laugh.gif

I was like "Way to go!" for him going to his best friend, who happened to be well you know. Then after episode 6...he became my hated character. Granted people might think "Aight yo, that's my boy" but not me, man, and I'm a guy. The ending was truly wtf but yeah, that anime got way out of control. All I can say is nice boat.




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