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#17341 Gojira

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Posted 21 April 2014 - 01:45 PM

I never thought of it that way. When I read the flashback scene I didn't think he had any purpose. It looked to me that Naruto was very happy that Sakura was being there for him, he just blurted out his feelings without thinking the effect it has on Sakura or the consequences.

And I agree. Despite Naruto thinking of himself as still being unworthy of her, he can't help but be happy when she's around, and ask for dates because he wants to be with her more despite being with her in missions already.

I think Kishi is reflecting his own marriage life in NaruSaku. It's famous that Kishi loves his wife and obvious when you read the interview. He's married with his wife for ten(?) years and he still wants to go on a honeymoon with her. I think it's amazing that a married couple can still keep that intimacy after such a long time.

The biggest thing I THINK that was reflected with his marriage life was Naruto's reluctance to confess to Sakura until he got the job done to bring back Sasuke. Seeing that Kishi married his wife AFTER Naruto became a hit series, I'm assuming that he waited to propose her until after he earned enough to be able to feed his wife. This is very Japanese style.

I also found it sweet that he made the heroine look like Sakura BEFORE he got married. He cannot be sure if he was going to marry the girl and yet he made the heroine look like her. That's great dedication and it shows how he didn't think of the possibility of any other woman.

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On top of that I heard there were a couple of interviews where he was asked who his wife acts like the most in the series the first time I think he said she acts like Sakura and then the second time he was asked that question he said that she acts like Kushina.

Either way like I keep saying at this point as of 631 Kishi has made it pretty clear that NS is endgame, I mean let's look at this for a moment to just have a father ask if someone is the main character's girlfriend, then have the father think to himself how similar she is to the main character's mother and then give the pair his blessing, holy crap that's like 3 major pairing hints in 1 page each of which would be completely contradicted if either SS or NH becomes canon. One does not simply have a father give his blessing to a relationship and make the mother comparison and then have that love interest go after someone else whose only interested in subordinates devoted to him. I think that's part of the reason I just recently started to like SK its like a dark version of NS.

Though a father asking a girl to be gentle with his son is an odd choice of words (then again she did skull-bash him in the previous panel)

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Posted 21 April 2014 - 02:12 PM

Though a father asking a girl to be gentle with his son is an odd choice of words (then again she did skull-bash him in the previous panel)

It's not an odd choice of words at all. It was a direct translation, and there aren't any other English words that could have expressed it in the same way. What Minato said was お手柔らかにお願いします。This is a very popular form of greeting. Originally, it was used as a greeting before a match, meaning to say, "I am still weak so please go easy on me." However, this greeting has become so popular, that people start to use it for many occasions. When an apprentice starts taking lessons from a master, when a family gives their daughter to her husbands family, when a freshman starts working in a company he will say this to his superiors. It's an expression an inferior person gives to a superior person when they are going to owe them something. Whether it be taking care of their work, studies, or marriage. So in no way is Minato accusing Sakura for being harsh at Naruto. The main point of that greeting is that he is asking her to please take care of Naruto.

Explaining the cultural aspect of Japanese greetings is so hard. I guess Megi could do a better explanation.

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Posted 21 April 2014 - 03:12 PM

Guess there is another deal too, I mean in regards to sakura, while most of her focus is mentally developed. Because naruto and Sasuke have the powers to reduce mountains while she remains where she was in 632. I say it's not really a big deal for sakura to not become like that. I mean until we saw Madara, no humans had mountain blasting capabilities, only the Kages, jinchurki, akatsuki, and obviously the tailed beasts had the power to cause enough land leveling. Madara was above all of them. The sage and his family even higher.

Looking all the way back at the tree climbing exercise it's not surprising sakura woundnt reach the max they are at now, but I have to say its good enough. Considering what we have seen, sakura is more or less around tsunade or gaara at least. She has some plus minuses in regards to tsunade but she is still very powerful at this point. Some regards maybe stronger than tsunade but not as well in healing ability? We know she can release the seal to a certain point when she summoned katsuyu with tsunade. Maybe Kishi won't show this more but we could assume in part that sakura is around the kage level. Kinda in the same range as gaara or Kakashi, plus minuses to certain traits in regards to tsunade. It's really something we would need to see more.

It wasn't until hashirama and Madara appeared we saw the whole mountain leveling stuff come up with giant would based abilities and full bodied sussanos.

It makes sense in some cases for the powerups naruto and Sasuke got as well, I mean while tailed beast mode and the ems were otherwise the evening out deals if this growth, well Sasuke got hashiramas DNA so while he would have wood style, it's safe to assume he can get the other associated abilities of the rinnegan.

To even this out, narutos powerup in relation was the sage transformation or senjuts of the six paths. This occurred because naruto had obtained a portion of all the other tailed beast chakras. As he couldn't use the powers before when he only had 7 of them,nit only acted as a means of extracting the tailed beasts form obito. But then came obitos rescue holding yin kurama and getting a porition of the 1 and 8 tails.

Naruto and Sasuke summoned hagoromos soul basically because they were something more, though the reincarnations of the sons. They had a deal of their own chakra as well. I originally thought it was because the way naruto beat kurama this is why he had the chakra mode and manifested the kurama avatar instead if being just kurama himself. This action though it's really just being a descendent of ashura and awakening that chakra.

So really narutos power I see it, it's as yin kurama is still the only tailed beast in him fully, if both naruto and Sasuke together equal madaras power than it's because naruto assembled portions of all 9 tailed beasts, while yin kurama is the largest, it's more likely that the six paths senjustu allows one to use the powers of the tailed beasts. Hagoromo is the creator so is not unexpected if he had the skill to call on the powers of say son goku, siken, isobu, etc. so both powers for naruto and Sasuke were assembled in part but also enabled for use by hagoromo. This is how I see it.

In regards to them though, I'd say sakura is better off, being at the level she is with others who are strong like Kakashi,gaara, and tsunade, its otherwise fine,i mean people kinda expected in most cases Sakura's best to be a but beyond tsunade but otherwise around there, I mean another way of looking at it is that she is among the top 5 strongest women in the series, among tsunade, Mei, and kaguya(who is the strongest) obviously the gap between kaguya and the other 3 is definite, but sakura is still up there so being around kage level isn't bad for her either. In some cases it's enough. We knew she could become powerful but not as super powerful as naruto and Sasuke. Around where she is, maybe she will go a it further but not that much, maybe only around the max tsunade can reach but otherwise she is around kage level. Just a bit plus minuses in regards to tsunade and we need to see a bit more so she is around kage level but the exact is unknown.

Edited by Inferno180, 21 April 2014 - 03:14 PM.


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Posted 21 April 2014 - 04:30 PM

Wait....wait...wait....Is this real? Is this really what people are thinking?

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#17345 Inferno180

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Posted 21 April 2014 - 04:54 PM

Um wow, James, I do not wish to know where that come from, I mean editing it is one thing symbol wise,

But did people completely ignore the whole creepy talking tree with kaguyas eyes coming up? I don't know what to say looking at this, I really don't, not the fact of what they tried to do with hinata but the fact that well, kaguya was just plain evil and hinata wasn't how hard is this to get? Madaras more or less going to interact with kaguya and they do some evil dirty stuff because they are evil.

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Posted 21 April 2014 - 05:21 PM

Wait....wait...wait....Is this real? Is this really what people are thinking?

this is made by a anti-hinata person though


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Posted 21 April 2014 - 05:46 PM

this is made by a anti-hinata person though

Yeah I think it was from Jessie. She's the best anti NH fan lol.


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Posted 21 April 2014 - 06:40 PM

Yeah I think it was from Jessie. She's the best anti NH fan lol.

That is hilarious, can someone link to the credit?


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Posted 21 April 2014 - 07:34 PM

If it's from a anti nh fan it is pretty funny then, I mean something like this would just be too far out there.

Otherwise it may be possible the last thing we see sakura could just be unleashing the power she had. It's not granted but if black zetsu proves to be strong even if he is using obitos body, if obito has considerable power left, if sakura does end up facing him and we get a secondary battle with her, that could be entertaining,

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Posted 21 April 2014 - 07:46 PM

Wait....wait...wait....Is this real? Is this really what people are thinking?

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*chokes on snack*

 

I love how sexualised she is. It's really all her fans can think of and why they want to see her so bad.
 



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Posted 21 April 2014 - 07:51 PM

 

*chokes on snack*

 

I love how sexualised she is. It's really all her fans can think of and why they want to see her so bad.
 

I don't think she is sexualized. She has a clevage(which is quite ooc tbh), but nothing too much.


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Posted 21 April 2014 - 09:25 PM

Wait....wait...wait....Is this real? Is this really what people are thinking?

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For a moment there i thought i was gonna see  Hinata's breasts in those squares pointing out toward Naruto's circles  as evidence of NH canonz   :lol:     


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Posted 21 April 2014 - 09:58 PM

I don't think she is sexualized. She has a clevage(which is quite ooc tbh), but nothing too much.

 

That and her nipples are pointy and visible through her yukata, plus she's in a leotard with her legs on full display.



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Posted 21 April 2014 - 10:00 PM

I wonder if Kishi did this on purpose

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Posted 21 April 2014 - 10:36 PM

That and her nipples are pointy and visible through her yukata, plus she's in a leotard with her legs on full display.


Lol, I can't stop laughing at how skimpy her clothiers are. So what is her purpose there? Seduce Madara? Too bad he doesn't swing that way since he's Hashi-sexual.
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Posted 21 April 2014 - 10:42 PM

Lol, I can't stop laughing at how skimpy her clothiers are. So what is her purpose there? Seduce Madara? Too bad he doesn't swing that way since he's Hashi-sexual.

Madara said he likes people wiht power, he considers weak woman ugly, so unless if Hinata was strong like him he would may like her, he matches with Kaguya i think.
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Posted 22 April 2014 - 12:27 AM

Sakura does nothing... for herself

 

This is because she is strongly selfless.

She has a bad opinion of herself IMO.


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Posted 22 April 2014 - 12:45 AM

I think Sakura's a type of person who can't ever accept failure so unlike Naruto (who usually when he fails gets back up again), Sakura takes failures extremely hard and it's hard for her to get over it. She still moves forward in her next move, but she doesn't completely forgive herself for her previous screw-up because she takes mistakes so personally (particularly for the sake of those she cares about).

 

I wouldn't necessarily say Sakura has a bad opinion of herself to the point she completely hates herself. I feel like most of her self-esteem scenes is more influenced by her relationship with Naruto. She sees how such an amazing person he is, always thinking about her even when she didn't do much for him and that's where her insecurities come from. Even when Sakura tries, she still thinks back to everything he does and puts it on a pedestal. And when Sakura doesn't do as much as she wants ... it goes back to her hate of failure.

 

I really hate Sakura's unworthiness for Naruto because she really is amazing with him, but I also kinda enjoy the difference between that and SS. With SS, Sakura was always selfish with Sasuke but with Naruto she always thinks about his feelings first instead of hers. Now that's love.


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Posted 22 April 2014 - 12:47 AM

 

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Because my reply is embarrassingly tl;dr, I'm hiding it behind a cut....   :argh:

 

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That and her nipples are pointy and visible through her yukata, plus she's in a leotard with her legs on full display.

 

I wonder if she's standing pigeon-toed in stilettos behind that speech bubble...?   :twitch:


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Posted 22 April 2014 - 02:13 AM

Yeah I think it was from Jessie. She's the best anti NH fan lol.

It may have been made by an Anti-NH fan, but from what I have been seeing....people are actually believing it is real.


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