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#17321 FireFox

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Posted 20 April 2014 - 11:54 PM

The argument I hate the most is NaruSaku is a "sibling" like relationship. Yeah, like I would totally blush and feel happy that my sister will feed me ramen. Or as if I would act and talk that my sister is my girlfriend. Oh and what about Naruto trying to peek at Sakura in the hot springs?

Just the thought of peeking my own sister in the hot springs is enough for me to puke my guts out. Ewwwww.

 

Yeah i forgot about this one makes me  :sick:

For the hot spring scene they say that Naruto wasn't trying to peek at Sakura but at the other girls who were laughing after Sai's comment even though Tenzo was saying to Naruto about what would happen to him if he tries to peek at Sakura go figure :confused:  

 


   I think he doesn't want to win her over when the option of Sasuke is unavailable. It's like Stockholm Syndrome, where the victim falls in love with her kidnapper because she has no choice, but if she wasn't kidnapped by this guy she wouldn't have loved him in a million years. It's when the option of Sasuke becomes available, we readers could be assured that Sakura's choice is for real. If NS becomes canon before that, some readers are going to assume she chose Naruto because Sasuke wasn't there.

More or less i agree but i think that Naruto has tried on a few occasions to won Sakura over its not as P1 but i think there were three times when he made the effort to call her on a date and the ramen feeding scene Sakuras's flashback i think that was also an attempt of him to tell her how much he likes her . Also i think why Naruto tries so hard to go on a date with Sakura is because he wants to get to know her more and more despite already knowing her  and that's sweet imo :D .   


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Posted 21 April 2014 - 12:14 AM

I've come to understand it when people say they like them as siblings, but I hate to see it used as an argument. I have liked ships where one part loves the other romantically, but she doesn't return them and therefore he is simply very protective of her. When I realize that, I revert to shipping them as a 'brotp'.

 

That said, it is only a fanon thought or a headcanon, nothing more. I should not be as an argument, because rarely are these ships written off as siblings. It is just a way to say you'd want them to be as close as siblings.

 

(The pairing I'm talking about is in a series called Reign, which airs on CW. The pairing is BashxMary, which I gave a chance, but now I don't think it'll happen.)


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Posted 21 April 2014 - 12:22 AM

At least I can feel sorry for the NH fans that they don't have enough interactions to even be considered a sibling.

   I think he doesn't want to win her over when the option of Sasuke is unavailable. It's like Stockholm Syndrome, where the victim falls in love with her kidnapper because she has no choice, but if she wasn't kidnapped by this guy she wouldn't have loved him in a million years. It's when the option of Sasuke becomes available, we readers could be assured that Sakura's choice is for real. If NS becomes canon before that, some readers are going to assume she chose Naruto because Sasuke wasn't there.

Inst unavoidable the fact that she's going to chose Naruto and one of the main reasons is Sasuke attitudes.
I think is unavoidable since he tried to kill her she has two choices, either be with Naruto or choses to pursue Sasuke and throw in a trash can her dignity.

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Posted 21 April 2014 - 12:51 AM

If kishi want to make naruto show more effort in part 2. Then kishi need to make sasuke has feeling to sakura and make a true love triangle not a one side, just like twi...hunger game.

But if that happen, then it would make ss=NS. I think.

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Posted 21 April 2014 - 02:13 AM

I will be slightly disappointed if Kishi makes NS canon without atleast establishing (not just hinting) that she actually choses Naruto over Sasuke otherwise it would give people (especially antis) the impression that Naruto is basically a silver medal.

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Posted 21 April 2014 - 03:12 AM

Wonder when we will see the new volume cover. I feel so anxious till May when it's the volume release!

most probably this week we will have a little preview of the uncoming new volume from the wsj's official site. Anyway I don't have some big expectations...

I think we will see the cover next week, because the volume is released on the 5th of May. 


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Posted 21 April 2014 - 03:23 AM

I've come to understand it when people say they like them as siblings, but I hate to see it used as an argument. I have liked ships where one part loves the other romantically, but she doesn't return them and therefore he is simply very protective of her. When I realize that, I revert to shipping them as a 'brotp'.

 

That said, it is only a fanon thought or a headcanon, nothing more. I should not be as an argument, because rarely are these ships written off as siblings. It is just a way to say you'd want them to be as close as siblings.

 

(The pairing I'm talking about is in a series called Reign, which airs on CW. The pairing is BashxMary, which I gave a chance, but now I don't think it'll happen.)

 

That's completely true. If you see a certain bond as sibling-like, that's cool. It really depends on how you interpret the interactions between the two characters. But that's all it is. A different interpretation. It shouldn't be used as an actual argument because there is often very little basis to it.

 

And while you could say, "but aren't ALL shipping debates just different interpretations," it's a bit different because at least there is usually evidence to support shipping claims. But that never seems to be the case with the brother-sister line of reasoning.

 

Especially in this case, because there has never been any mention of Naruto and Sakura (I think!) seeing each other as brother and sister. Heck, whenever other characters reference them, it always seems to be in a romantic/teasing way. :nslove:

 

It's more of a copout, really. If you know a couple, such as NaruSaku, is close enough to actually be in a relationship (something NaruHina and SasuSaku cannot say), then claiming that they're sibling-like is the easiest way to discredit that. 


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Posted 21 April 2014 - 03:38 AM

I'm starting to wonder if a Rin parallel is even necessary at this point, what exactly would Sakura say or do that would trigger Obito to think of Rin? Naruto left kamuiland so she can't really say something that Rin once said to Obito, besides it looks like Obito barely has a few chapters left in him. Who knows maybe Obito will drop an NS bomb if it is a question (after all Sakura did thank him despite all the stuff he's done which pretty noticeably shows how much Sakura cares about Naruto) or if it is a request like mangastream said and that she has to view him as an enemy (as oppose to it not mattering) it will likely have to do with BZ though if she kills BZ then there goes Obito's life support and she...well basically pulls what Piccolo did in the ROSAT


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Posted 21 April 2014 - 03:41 AM

Well looks like chapter 674 will mostly be of Naruto/Sasuke vs Madara and no extra scenes of Sakura's situation T_T lol got to wait another week!!!!!

Edit your post and spoiler tag it please.


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Posted 21 April 2014 - 03:57 AM

I'm starting to wonder if a Rin parallel is even necessary at this point, what exactly would Sakura say or do that would trigger Obito to think of Rin? Naruto left kamuiland so she can't really say something that Rin once said to Obito, besides it looks like Obito barely has a few chapters left in him. Who knows maybe Obito will drop an NS bomb if it is a question (after all Sakura did thank him despite all the stuff he's done which pretty noticeably shows how much Sakura cares about Naruto) or if it is a request like mangastream said and that she has to view him as an enemy (as oppose to it not mattering) it will likely have to do with BZ though if she kills BZ then there goes Obito's life support and she...well basically pulls what Piccolo did in the ROSAT

 

Dunno. Wasn't Rin pretty protective of Obito? Maybe he noticed how attached Sakura was to Naruto and his dreams when she had her hand in his chest?


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Posted 21 April 2014 - 04:04 AM

So yeah,raw for next chapter is leaked and well, I can only handle a few pages. In other words, I won't be here or elsewhere for a while. So until then, take care. :)

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Posted 21 April 2014 - 04:54 AM

Edit your post and spoiler tag it please.


Alright how do you do that?? Do you just put #spoiler in front of it or is there something else cause I still don't know how to do that. Please help :)

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Posted 21 April 2014 - 05:03 AM

Alright how do you do that?? Do you just put #spoiler in front of it or is there something else cause I still don't know how to do that. Please help :)

The spoiler tag is on the Special BBCode, between the "Front" button and the eraser. You select what you want to spoiler tag, you choose the spoiler tag on the Special BBCode and you give a title to your spoiler and voilà. 

But if you want to talk about the raw of chapter 674, why don't you come in the appropriate thread? I noticed it's not the first time you do that, you always talk about the chapter in this thread while there is a special thread for that. In wase you aren't aware of, there is a thread called "674 raw". 


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Posted 21 April 2014 - 06:00 AM

The spoiler tag is on the Special BBCode, between the "Front" button and the eraser. You select what you want to spoiler tag, you choose the spoiler tag on the Special BBCode and you give a title to your spoiler and voilà. 
But if you want to talk about the raw of chapter 674, why don't you come in the appropriate thread? I noticed it's not the first time you do that, you always talk about the chapter in this thread while there is a special thread for that. In wase you aren't aware of, there is a thread called "674 raw". 


Oh sweet XD I'll go ahead and erase that earlier post and do just that!!! Thanks a lot and sorry if my newbie ways has caused any problems lol XD

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Posted 21 April 2014 - 06:29 AM

Something I still can't figure out

 

according to a interview James posted a while back (around the time when I first joined) it stated from Kishi himself concerning what happened in the land of iron arc that Sakura was being honest about her confession, (and I think he also said that she loves Sasuke or loved him as in past tense not sure though)

 

So her confession was honest, then she was telling the truth she loves Naruto....and ofcourse Naruto loves her

 

therefore NS is pretty much as close to canon as a pairing can possibly be before becoming actually official so why exactly is he delaying the outcome as much as he is?

 

Though he's not the only one to do this yet again FMA comes to mind


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Posted 21 April 2014 - 07:07 AM

Wonder when we will see the new volume cover. I feel so anxious till May when it's the volume release!

i think it'll be a side by side dead narusasu, kishi overdone the parallels so much


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Posted 21 April 2014 - 10:57 AM

There is one thing i think some tend to forget and that's 1.If Sakura chooses Naruto its gonna be because she loves him not because Sasuke is just bad and  2. It was established in the Iron land that Naruto's not gonna accept him being a "silver medal" or else Naruto would have accepted Sakura's confession and NS would have been canon already right then and there .

 

Also if Sakura doesn't love sasuke because his attitude/personality for who he really is then what does that say to us ? Well i think its simple it shows that she has finally come to understand who he really is and she doesn't like that person the image she had of him in her mind is shattered it was false so how can we expect for her to still have feelings for him or remain "in love" with him when she doesn't like that person ?  


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Posted 21 April 2014 - 11:19 AM

More or less i agree but i think that Naruto has tried on a few occasions to won Sakura over its not as P1 but i think there were three times when he made the effort to call her on a date and the ramen feeding scene Sakuras's flashback i think that was also an attempt of him to tell her how much he likes her . Also i think why Naruto tries so hard to go on a date with Sakura is because he wants to get to know her more and more despite already knowing her  and that's sweet imo :D .

  
I never thought of it that way. When I read the flashback scene I didn't think he had any purpose. It looked to me that Naruto was very happy that Sakura was being there for him, he just blurted out his feelings without thinking the effect it has on Sakura or the consequences.

And I agree. Despite Naruto thinking of himself as still being unworthy of her, he can't help but be happy when she's around, and ask for dates because he wants to be with her more despite being with her in missions already.

I think Kishi is reflecting his own marriage life in NaruSaku. It's famous that Kishi loves his wife and obvious when you read the interview. He's married with his wife for ten(?) years and he still wants to go on a honeymoon with her. I think it's amazing that a married couple can still keep that intimacy after such a long time.

The biggest thing I THINK that was reflected with his marriage life was Naruto's reluctance to confess to Sakura until he got the job done to bring back Sasuke. Seeing that Kishi married his wife AFTER Naruto became a hit series, I'm assuming that he waited to propose her until after he earned enough to be able to feed his wife. This is very Japanese style.

I also found it sweet that he made the heroine look like Sakura BEFORE he got married. He cannot be sure if he was going to marry the girl and yet he made the heroine look like her. That's great dedication and it shows how he didn't think of the possibility of any other woman.

Only my assumptions.

Inst unavoidable the fact that she's going to chose Naruto and one of the main reasons is Sasuke attitudes.I think is unavoidable since he tried to kill her she has two choices, either be with Naruto or choses to pursue Sasuke and throw in a trash can her dignity.

I'm not angry if Sakura still loves Sasuke. However, I will be angry if she decides to aggressively pursue that relationship. You can't control who you love, but you can control the actions you take. Trying to get in a relationship with a guy who didn't have second thoughts of murdering you is pathetic, weak-minded, and delusional.

But I honestly think that she already loves Naruto, but hasn't noticed it yet.

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Posted 21 April 2014 - 12:00 PM

So I guess I'll throw my theory in for an event coming up in manga.

 

Its the Obito to Sakura request, yes, how can this be NS? Well many are suspecting that in someway, maybe again there could be some relation or memory Obito makes of Rin.

 

Otherwise the current battle with Naruto and Sasuke facing Madara. A real unique situation has arisen, each Uchiha alive has a Rinnegan. Madara only has his right eye, Obito has madara's left, and Sasuke only awakened it in the left. So there are 2 even out theories I got from this.

 

At this point, its equally viable that Madara will get or not get his other eye.

 

The deal with the first one though is just how will madara get it?

 

Two ideas came to mind for this, and this is assuming obitos request involves the rinnegan's containment or destruction:

 

If Madara gets his left rinnegan back:

 

He simply takes it back from Obito or by Black Zetsu (provided black zetsu wasn't impacted by the removal of Yin kurama or manages to take advantage of obito again). This would have to occur in some way with obito coming back from the kamuai dimension or something else happening along the request.

 

If he doesn't get his left eye back:

 

1. He improvises and takes Sasukes, kinda going on what he said when he was blind. Sasuke has a left eye, taking that will cause a bunch of chaos.

 

2. Best case scenario for the heroes, the rinnegan is destroyed and instead he comes to rely on the tree for his power.

 

This deal of Sasuke having a left Rinnegan and Obitos request to Sakura got me thinking and while it would entail some action from transplanting there were a few things I thought of that seemed more reasonable.

 

-Sasuke having one rinnegan is almost again, ideal for madara to just take. Obito's request would otherwise be involving the rinnegan, trying to deny an assest to the enemy. If anything obito could be anticpating black zetsu to resurge and mess with him, obviously on Obito's end, its possible for a Sakura-Rin parallel to occur, but the transplanting stuff could come by a different means. I don't expect Sakura to die, obviously she needs to live for an event like a transplant to occur. Though then it seems like we may get a similar power down power up moment again like when naruto lost and regained kurama. Though how would the transplant event occur if Sasuke loses his own rinnegan born of itachi's eyes?

 

Here is how I would expect the moment to go down:

 

I would expect Sakura to actually be hesitant at first, giving the great power she knows to one like Sasuke who she currently distrusts, it would be such power she may be heistent at first because she knows that Sasuke has other motives but because of the situation and otherwise naruto's instruction, she would do it anyways. In one part for the team, but in another she would have a reason to be worried after doing it for what comes after the fight.

 

Though its evenly viable for either madara never getting a left rinnegan or a transplant event to occur. Obito's request can be simply destroy the rinnegan or keep it safe. Otherwise it could be unrelated to it.  I mean in all matter of events like this, there are a few things to make out:

 

-Sakura isn't going to die, she is a main character. even if she becomes the high priority target holding the rinnegan or her role is something else like fighting black zetsu or simply destroying it, she has plot armor because she is important in the end, not in the current stuff involving the sage but in the stuff when it comes to team 7. Literally even though some fans still want it, killing sakura does no justice to the story nor help NH as many other fans want. It wouldn't change the fact that kishi still didn't develop NH as he could have and would otherwise reduce hinata to a full fledged fodder token pairing character. The most convinent of all simply because sakura was axed off.

- Its both possible that Madara could regain his rinnegan, steal sasuke's or never get his back. Again all are viable.

-A Sakura rin parallel could come (at last) despite other events, part of the event having just obito and sakura could otherwise be memory inducing on Obito simply because, well how freaking relatable does kishi need to make rin like sakura?

 

Aside from sakura being a main character, she more or less is going to live in the series. A Sakura-rin event is possible as well. The other stuff, it all depends on what obito's request is exactly and what madara does in the battle. If Madara uses the tree more, he may not care about his left eye anymore. We just need to see how both events go.

 

On a side note, Its looking like Naruto and Sasuke are not healing hands people so least Sakura is still the medic of the group. While they can manipulate another's chakra they cannot heal them, so ceasing the effects of a jutsu like opening all 8 inner gates is one thing, healing would have to be another. I really believe that after this obito request sakura will simply be the one to heal guy,



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Posted 21 April 2014 - 12:46 PM

  
I never thought of it that way. When I read the flashback scene I didn't think he had any purpose. It looked to me that Naruto was very happy that Sakura was being there for him, he just blurted out his feelings without thinking the effect it has on Sakura or the consequences.

And I agree. Despite Naruto thinking of himself as still being unworthy of her, he can't help but be happy when she's around, and ask for dates because he wants to be with her more despite being with her in missions already.

I think Kishi is reflecting his own marriage life in NaruSaku. It's famous that Kishi loves his wife and obvious when you read the interview. He's married with his wife for ten(?) years and he still wants to go on a honeymoon with her. I think it's amazing that a married couple can still keep that intimacy after such a long time.

The biggest thing I THINK that was reflected with his marriage life was Naruto's reluctance to confess to Sakura until he got the job done to bring back Sasuke. Seeing that Kishi married his wife AFTER Naruto became a hit series, I'm assuming that he waited to propose her until after he earned enough to be able to feed his wife. This is very Japanese style.

I also found it sweet that he made the heroine look like Sakura BEFORE he got married. He cannot be sure if he was going to marry the girl and yet he made the heroine look like her. That's great dedication and it shows how he didn't think of the possibility of any other woman.

Only my assumptions.

Yes i think that scene had a double meaning 1.To praise Sakura by saying that she being with him healing him means the world to him and that it helps in bringing Sasuke back and 2. He was basically hitting on her  by saying "but it makes me happy the two us being together" this part i think was intentional on his part and i agree he didn't think of the effect it might have on Sakura that's why i love her reaction he basically wooed her at that moment  and he didn't expect that . This scene is also why i think that Naruto can be subtle when confessing to Sakura imo.

 

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Its funny i've never thought of this now that you mentioned it it does make a lot of sense after all he did said that his wife is like Kushina (who is more or less like Sakura) in his latest interview   :wink: . Its an interesting assumption and i agree with it  :thumb:  


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