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[咲耶姫]

 

One more time...

 

Blushing doesn't automatically mean that a character is having romantic thoughts. Context matters.

 

Sakura was happy that Sasuke had her back and that Team 7 was working as a unit once again after so long, hence blushed. Even when Naruto whined that Sakura supposedly ignored him she told him not to complain about trivial matters or that she would take the Hokage seat. In other words, Naruto was overreacting at Sakura's momentary attention of Sasuke and she called him out on it.

 

In manga, people (especially girls) tend to blush when something happy or embarrassing occurs, and that doesn't necessarily have to do with romance. I remember a panel of Naruto blushing at something Minato said, and I'm pretty sure Naruto doesn't want to make out with his dad. Also, the other day I saw a page in which Kakashi said something nice about Team 7 in which Naruto and Sakura blushed, and I'm pretty sure they aren't in love with Kakashi.

 

 

I thought it was just dirt too, but I think someone here that has the volume said that it really was a blush. It doesn't really matter in the end. Why is that? See above.

Yes, it was me, on HQ level, you clearly see that it's a blush. And I completely agree with you blushing doesn't mean crazy in love. At least not in that case. She blushed because Sasuke saved her and she wasn't expecting it.

[James S Cassidy]

So finally I have read through the last several pages and whoooo....man, that was one hell of a read. I can see what people mean by toxic.

Anyway, Sakura...

A lot of talk about her and once again her role in this war is coming under scrutiny. I, like a few posts I have seen, also question what do people really expect at this point in time. The fight with Madara is supposed to be between Naruto and Sasuke. The fight is basically meant for them. It doesn't really concern her. Not because she is not important, but because it is not her fight. This goes for everyone else too. It is not Hinata's fight or Kakashi's fight or even Minato's fight or anyone from the alliance.

People want to make it seem like Sakura does nothing and yet forget that everyone is sitting on the sidelines for this one. I know what people will say "She is the main heroine" and really that proves nothing. Kishi doesn't want her to fight this one and her role was to keep Naruto alive. She did her part and I love her for it. It was exciting to see her go against all odds to try and save Naruto. Now, she is going to do something with Obito and I am curious what this is going to be. Is it going to be a fight between him and her? Is it going to be her killing him or the Black Zetsu? We don't know that yet and she might just be there to keep the other Rinnegan out of Madara's hands.

To me, if that is the case, that is a huge role for her in my opinion. I am also curious of the wake-up scene will play a role and Obito and Sakura will discuss it. It will be interesting. I am proud of Sakura for all she has done and she is a true hero in my book. Yeah, I get it, you wanted to see her fight Chiyo or something. Yeah I am disappointed to in that respect, but for this fight I'm gonna let it slide. This battle is meant for Naruto and Sasuke so I want to see them succeed.

Besides, I think we all know she is going to play a huge role in the Naruto vs Sasuke fight and I curious how Kishi is going to make Sakura feel that whole time. I am very eager to see her run to Naruto's side when he needs it. Will it happen? Well we won't know until it happens. Till then I am going to stay eager. I know alot of people are throwing the whole "Well, that's just YOUR interpretation," but let's be honest those who don't like Sakura's role in the war....that's just your interpretation as well. We both can come up with facts to support our claims, but in the end it is all how we interpret it. Some people think Sakura's character is amazing. It is not all perfect, but it is not all bad either. We like it the way it is and we are happy for her. Can't say the same for other characters, but that's a different story.

Positive or Negative, you have to accept people's opinions for what they are, but just know that just because you have different views does not mean your views are fact. It just means you see it that way. Look at the Harry Potter fans and their pairing wars still fighting till this day despite all the "Facts" that are known.

For the rest...sometimes I feel people are extrapolating on things that may be not as big as they think and ignoring other details. We know Kishi plays with the scenery and purposely hints at things without having to go into full detail and we know none of this will be solved until the very end. At the same time though, Kishi is human and he can make mistakes. Maybe he put something in he never meant to or maybe he was trying to do one thing meanwhile the fans took it another way. coughsakuraconfessioncough. I want to see what Kishi does in the end and then I think we can tell how scenes were meant to be taken. For now, take it with a grain of salt and hope for the best.

The only thing I can say is I feel Sasuke's plot/character/setup was not written correctly and have to wonder if he really did just rush things when it came to him. It feels....clunky or at times half-assed when it comes to Sasuke's story. Maybe if he could redo it maybe things would be better.

Also, if I may say, no I don't feel Naruto's new power-up is just handed to him "on a silver platter." Naruto worked for all his powers leading up to that point in time and strived to make a difference. This power-up is not just what was given, but rather I feel is a reward for that hard work and dedication. Sasuke on the other hand...yeah, THAT was handed to him on a silver platter. All his powers were and he has basically just "inherited" all his powers since the beginning. You can't let Sasuke slide with all of that, but hold everything against Naruto just one time because you feel "it was too easy." The whole journey up that point was a massive struggle for him and this is his efforts finally paying off.

Edited by James S Cassidy, 19 April 2014 - 01:14 PM.

[narusaku256]

Yes, it was me, on HQ level, you clearly see that it's a blush. And I completely agree with you blushing doesn't mean crazy in love. At least not in that case. She blushed because Sasuke saved her and she wasn't expecting it.

And we have seen Sakura blushing for Naruto far more times in part 2 than for anyone else!! Hell, most of the times she has blushed! What's the big deal if she blushed for Sasuke? We all know how many times Naruto has made her blush and I think its far greater than '1' blush from Sasuke!

[Sakamaki Izayoi]

So finally I have read through the last several pages and whoooo....man, that was one hell of a read. I can see what people mean by toxic.

Anyway, Sakura...

A lot of talk about her and once again her role in this war is coming under scrutiny. I, like a few posts I have seen, also question what do people really expect at this point in time. The fight with Madara is supposed to be between Naruto and Sasuke. The fight is basically meant for them. It doesn't really concern her. Not because she is not important, but because it is not her fight. This goes for everyone else too. It is not Hinata's fight or Kakashi's fight or even Minato's fight or anyone from the alliance.

I dont see Kakashi neither Minato being on the sidelines, they had their fight during this matter.
Yes Madara is Naruto and Sasuke business but it's tied to the hatred and the dream of peace on which Kakashi, Sasuke, Naruto, the main characters were involved minus Sakura who's not involved on the main theme of the manga.

People want to make it seem like Sakura does nothing and yet forget that everyone is sitting on the sidelines for this one. I know what people will say "She is the main heroine" and really that proves nothing. Kishi doesn't want her to fight this one and her role was to keep Naruto alive. She did her part and I love her for it. It was exciting to see her go against all odds to try and save Naruto. Now, she is going to do something with Obito and I am curious what this is going to be. Is it going to be a fight between him and her? Is it going to be her killing him or the Black Zetsu? We don't know that yet and she might just be there to keep the other Rinnegan out of Madara's hands.

Sakura does nothing... for herself, in terms of lacking a personal objective of her own, her own dreams or even hatred in a way, she's not involved on the main theme of the manga, she's a main character we cant compare her to side characters like Minato, Hinata the rest of K11.
There's a great distance between her and the main characters.

To me, if that is the case, that is a huge role for her in my opinion. I am also curious of the wake-up scene will play a role and Obito and Sakura will discuss it. It will be interesting. I am proud of Sakura for all she has done and she is a true hero in my book. Yeah, I get it, you wanted to see her fight Chiyo or something. Yeah I am disappointed to in that respect, but for this fight I'm gonna let it slide. This battle is meant for Naruto and Sasuke so I want to see them succeed.

We can speculate about the role but how this is going to be played is that another story, how this involves hatred or peace?

Besides, I think we all know she is going to play a huge role in the Naruto vs Sasuke fight and I curious how Kishi is going to make Sakura feel that whole time. I am very eager to see her run to Naruto's side when he needs it. Will it happen? Well we won't know until it happens. Till then I am going to stay eager. I know alot of people are throwing the whole "Well, that's just YOUR interpretation," but let's be honest those who don't like Sakura's role in the war....that's just your interpretation as well. We both can come up with facts to support our claims, but in the end it is all how we interpret it. Some people think Sakura's character is amazing. It is not all perfect, but it is not all bad either. We like it the way it is and we are happy for her. Can't say the same for other characters, but that's a different story.

About Naruto and Sasuke there's something big i want to point out.

1st - Naruto told her many times to not get involved on the fight.
2nd - Naruto and Sasuke are going to fight on a topic that she never had any relevance to begin with(Peace and the dark side of konoha).

[ramenanmitsu]

Sasuke on the other hand....yeah THAT was handed to him on a silver platter. All his powers were and he has basically just "inherited" all his powers since the beginning. You can't let Sasuke slide with all of that, but hold everything against Naruto just one time because you feel "it was too easy." The whole journey up that point was a massive struggle for him and this is his efforts finally paying off.

I never read any posts stating that Sasuke's power-ups were NOT easy power-ups. In fact, for every one complaint about Naruto's power-ups I feel like there are 20 complaints towards Sasuke's.

 

Saying that Sasuke's power-ups were handed to him on a silver platter, and saying that Naruto's power-ups were not is a double standard. How can Sasuke receiving Indra's powers could be considered as being "handed", but Naruto, who has received the power-up in the exact same way is not?

 

You are right in that the number of power-ups Sasuke has received is considerably larger than what Naruto has received. However, that does not automatically negate the fact that the recent power-up Naruto received was handed by Hagoromo. He did not gain this power-up from training like he did Rasengan, Kagebunshin, Fuuton Rasenshuriken, and Sage Mode.

 

Yes, Naruto has struggled in his journey. And so has Sasuke.

 

About Naruto and Sasuke there's something big i want to point out.

1st - Naruto told her many times to not get involved on the fight.

This shouldn't be a factor anymore.

1. Itachi has told Naruto that he should rely on his friends, and if he were to fight everything on his own he will become like Madara. Naruto agreed. Naruto going back on those words is a backwards development and neglects the theme of Ashura. And following Itachi's words is EXACTLY what Naruto has been doing.

 

2. Naruto's orders do not hold a power on Sakura.

The recent chapters has shown that Sakura will only listen to Naruto's orders if she WANTS to. She has decided that no matter what Naruto says she will fight together with him. And that is what she has been doing in chapter 631. Naruto, the concerned guy he was asked her to rest, which she got mad and told him not to underestimate her. As I stated in the above, I doubt Naruto is going to order her to not get involved. But if he does and Sakura wants to fight, she'll just say, "kitten it! Don't order me around!If I wanna fight then I'm GOING to fight!"

 

2nd - Naruto and Sasuke are going to fight on a topic that she never had any relevance to begin with(Peace and the dark side of konoha).

This topic has only recently came. The ideals of Ashura vs. Indra. Ashura's ideal is all about Peace and cooperating with his fellow men. Whereas Indra thought he was too good to cooperate and wanted all the power to himself. The same has been done with Hashirama and Madara. If Naruto is following Ashura's ideals, then Sakura IS relevant to the fight because she is his supporter and the most likely candidate to fight with him.

[James S Cassidy]

2nd - Naruto and Sasuke are going to fight on a topic that she never had any relevance to begin with(Peace and the dark side of konoha).

This is the only thing I am going to comment on because really everything else is just what you believe in. As you say to me countless times, I will use against you. "That is how YOU interpret it."

In all honesty though, this final battle has been in the works LOOOOOONNNNNGGGGG before we even knew about Ashura and Indra. It has been known long before any of it and to think that this final confrontation...this final struggle...final bout...the conclusion of this story that has been building up since the beginning only for someone to label it that shallow obviously doesn't know or hasn't been paying attention to the entire plot of the manga.

I don't think naruto really cares about being the reincarnation of anyone nor do I think he cares about fate or destiny. In fact, he even expressed this to Neji that fate and destiny are just words to excuse our own inabilities and weakness to change anything in our own lives.

Why would Sakura get involved in the final bout between these two boys? Because she has been in the middle of it all the whole time and you didn't even notice. She has a connection to both boys on a level that far exceeds any person can say. She is actually in the worst case scenario cause she has the most risk of losing a good chunk of her life. She either loses her former crush and teammate or she loses her possible future husband and fellow teammate. Unless everything goes smoothly, she might lose one or the other. She may not get that choice. I can't even imagine what Sakura might be going through in her own head over this. (Of course these are fictional characters, but for the sake of an argument I am pretending they are real.)

The biggest choice she has is to either stand back and let them deal with it or get involved and pick a side. Not an easy choice to make.
 

 

Yes, Naruto has struggled in his journey. And so has Sasuke.

If that is what you want to believe, then go for it.

Sasuke only struggled...if I even want to call it that...because he made his own life miserable. He gave up everything for the sake of revenge and he did have everything. So other than the Uchiha Massacre, everything else Sasuke has been through was his own undoing. Struggling? More like self-inflicted grievances.

Even the Sage of Six-Paths admits that Indra's power is merely an inheritance. Ashura power...he had to work for it. He wasn't just instantly powerful right off the bat. So you can sit here and claim whatever you want. If it helps you sleep at night, by all means, but to me Sasuke is a spoiled brat who never really understood or cared about everything that he was blessed with.

 

Itachi sacrificed everything for Sasuke. His own life, his family, his lover, his best friends, his clan, his reputation.....everything. He gave up everything for Sasuke and all he wanted was for Sasuke to live a good life where he didn't have to worry about war or that kind of crap. Sasuke couldn't even fulfill his own brother's wishes because he was too stuck up on revenge. Even after he knew the truth, he still refused.

That's the bottom line and nothing anyone can say can or will change my mind about it.


 

Edited by James S Cassidy, 19 April 2014 - 01:45 PM.

[rocci]

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[Sakamaki Izayoi]

This shouldn't be a factor anymore.
1. Itachi has told Naruto that he should rely on his friends, and if he were to fight everything on his own he will become like Madara. Naruto agreed. Naruto going back on those words is a backwards development and neglects the theme of Ashura. And following Itachi's words is EXACTLY what Naruto has been doing.

Naruto has a rivalry with Sasuke and the way he expressed it on part 1 and later, she knows that he wants to fight Sasuke.
It contradicts with his desire to fight Sasuke and be acknowledged in the end.
 

2. Naruto's orders do not hold a power on Sakura.
The recent chapters has shown that Sakura will only listen to Naruto's orders if she WANTS to. She has decided that no matter what Naruto says she will fight together with him. And that is what she has been doing in chapter 631. Naruto, the concerned guy he was asked her to rest, which she got mad and told him not to underestimate her. As I stated in the above, I doubt Naruto is going to order her to not get involved. But if he does and Sakura wants to fight, she'll just say, "kitten it! Don't order me around!If I wanna fight then I'm GOING to fight!"

It doesnt but would she risk taking a way a personal request from Naruto and hurting his feelings?
He wants a fight against Sasuke and win, it's the same as Naruto interfering in a Sakura vs Ino fight.
She would be seem selfish rather than actually helping Naruto and i doubt that Kishi would turn the most awaited fight of the manga into something like Naruto/Sakura vs Sasuke or Naruto/k11 vs Sasuke rather than Naruto vs Sasuke.
 

This topic has only recently came. The ideals of Ashura vs. Indra. Ashura's ideal is all about Peace and cooperating with his fellow men. Whereas Indra thought he was too good to cooperate and wanted all the power to himself. The same has been done with Hashirama and Madara. If Naruto is following Ashura's ideals, then Sakura IS relevant to the fight because she is his supporter and the most likely candidate to fight with him.

All the stories as a kind of difference but however Naruto wants to deal with Sasuke himself and he said that right after Sasuke said that he was going to be kage, remembered of Itachi's words and said "leave him to me".

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Why would Sakura get involved in the final bout between these two boys? Because she has been in the middle of it all the whole time and you didn't even notice. She has a connection to both boys on a level that far exceeds any person can say. She is actually in the worst case scenario cause she has the most risk of losing a good chunk of her life. She either loses her former crush and teammate or she loses her possible future husband and fellow teammate. Unless everything goes smoothly, she might lose one or the other. She may not get that choice. I can't even imagine what Sakura might be going through in her own head over this. (Of course these are fictional characters, but for the sake of an argument I am pretending they are real.)
The biggest choice she has is to either stand back and let them deal with it or get involved and pick a side. Not an easy choice to make.

Remember when she tried to stop and what happened next?
Naruto looked totally upset and told her to not interfere on this matter and them Kakashi started talking about rivalry and how Sakura was in the middle of it(not negatively) but the fact that she cared about both of the boys but they were rivals.

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Edited by Dαrkrєrsŧ, 19 April 2014 - 05:16 PM.

[MistFlower]

I'm pretty darn excited to see all of Sakura's epicness animated though, not gonna lie.  

[BakeNeko-Chan]

I really don't see it that way at all. How has it changed? What do you mean by not the same importance?  See, one of the things I like about Sakura is that her we ( the readers) see the story though her eyes. She has what appears to be a lesser role only because Kishi tends to use her as a way of letting us "see" the story unfold. We don't see into the emotional side of things much when Sakura is not present. This ( I think) is why people say her development has more to do with her mental state, or her feelings. 

 

Yes she fights as well, and that's always fun to watch...But her character is what gives this series feeling. 

 

When she feels down, we feel down, when she cries, we feel like crying etc... 

 

I can't see her as unimportant if this series's heart depends on her. 

 

Naruto and Sasuke...They rarely show it when they feel down, they hide their tears, Sakura doesn't. 

 

It's what makes her so much more real. 

 

 

And I'm not sure how else to say it...If what  I am saying now even makes sense to everyone...But her role is a very important one. 

 

She is more then just your ruin of the mill heroine. ( to me) 

 

I know many others seem to think she lacks this or that....And honestly? I think no matter WHAT she does, some people are always going to find something wrong. 

 

Because when you look for negative things, you will find them. 

 

No one is perfect. 

 

I don't want Sakura to be flawless ( I hate Mary-Sue's) I just want her to be a part of the plot like the rest of the main cast. I think she has stayed that way for a very long time. ( Only a few chapters during the war arc did we really start notice a lack of Sakura-chan...) 

 

I think many just wish she got to fight more, but for me, although I feel that way at times, I don't see why fighting is the only way. There are heroines out that that are not fighters.  Those who support the ones that are. ( and they also are tough yet sweet...AKA Tsundere) 

 

.......Idk...It just seems like people are trying harder to nit pick when they should just be happy. =/

( Not saying you are btw...but ....some others...and ya'll know who you are...)

 

 

Let's all try and NOT nit pick......ok? 

 

I wasn't going to get involved in this conversation anymore because of the way people were being put down for being "negative", but I'll respond to this and then I'll probably not be posting here for a while. I'm just tired of feeling like I have to constantly defend myself and my point of view.

 

First off, thank you for offering a different perspective without putting mine down, little things like that mean a lot.  And you know, I will admit maybe I'm looking at the glass half empty and my mind is making things out to be worse than they are. Reading your post does make me feel a bit better though.

 

As for your questions, what changed for Sakura was that Kishi took her out of the equation in the team 7 conflict after the confession and her encounter with Sasuke, now it is strictly between Naruto and Sasuke and I feel that was a poor decision on Kishimoto's part. Now all she has to do is stand in the background while they work things out and resolve her feelings for Sasuke. I feel that this goes against what was set up previously with her resolve that she and Naruto would do it together.  

 

And for the matter of Sakura not being treated with the same importance as the male characters -- Kakashi was hugely important in the plot because of his connection to Obito and he was given a good amount of focus throughout the war arc. Naruto and Sasuke, it kind of goes without saying. The two of them are at the epicenter of the entire conflict of the story, they have a connection that dates back generations and they are bound to one another by destiny -- there is no separating one from the other. There's no way Sakura even holds a candle to stand as their equal, as she always desired to. She's just a small part of the parallelism of Naruto and Sasuke as Naruto's love interest. 

 

Sakura does bring out a more emotional side in the story, like you said, and that's part of the reason I love her character. She has more depth and complexity than either Naruto or Sasuke, in my opinion. She's a beautiful character and no one can convince me otherwise, but I don't feel Kishimoto has done her the justice she deserve in being a relevant, independent heroine in the plot, that he is capable of making her.

Edited by BakeNeko-Chan, 19 April 2014 - 04:13 PM.

[ramenanmitsu]

[quote name="James S Cassidy" post="523524" timestamp="1397914278"]
If that is what you want to believe, then go for it.
Sasuke only struggled...if I even want to call it that...because he made his own life miserable.
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I retread my post and found it to be unclear. My main point in my previous post was merely pointing out that struggling through life has nothing to do with whether that character got an easy power up or not, when they got it in the exact same method.

He gave up everything for the sake of revenge and he did have everything.

He did not give up everything. He threw away the less important things to focus on his goal, which was his highest priority. And no, he did not have everything. He did not have his family.

So other than the Uchiha Massacre, everything else Sasuke has been through was his own undoing. Struggling? More like self-inflicted grievances.

There is no "other than the Uchiha Massacre". The massacre is the sole reason of his struggling. And that was not inflicted by himself.

Even the Sage of Six-Paths admits that Indra's power is merely an inheritance. Ashura power...he had to work for it. He wasn't just instantly powerful right off the bat. So you can sit here and claim whatever you want. If it helps you sleep at night, by all means, but to me Sasuke is a spoiled brat who never really understood or cared about everything that he was blessed with.

Yes I agree about Indra and Ashura. However we're talking about Naruto and Sasuke, not Indra and Ashura.

Itachi sacrificed everything for Sasuke. His own life, his family, his lover, his best friends, his clan, his reputation.....everything. He gave up everything for Sasuke and all he wanted was for Sasuke to live a good life where he didn't have to worry about war or that kind of crap.

If he wanted Sasuke to live a good life without worrying about that kind of crap, he wouldn't have taunted him that he was weak or traumatized him with his Tsukuyomi. It was precisely because Itachi wanted Sasuke to become an avenger and kill Itachi that he has done these things.[/quote]

Sasuke couldn't even fulfill his own brother's wishes because he was too stuck up on revenge.

As I said above, he did fulfill his brothers wish of accomplishing revenge.

Even after he knew the truth, he still refused.

I see him cooperating with Konoha now.

That's the bottom line and nothing anyone can say can or will change my mind about it.

I don't know if I should have replied to you. Since you posted it I replied to it anyways. However if you don't want to debate about this then that is fine with me.

Edited by ramenanmitsu, 19 April 2014 - 05:22 PM.

[Gojira]

And we have seen Sakura blushing for Naruto far more times in part 2 than for anyone else!! Hell, most of the times she has blushed! What's the big deal if she blushed for Sasuke? We all know how many times Naruto has made her blush and I think its far greater than '1' blush from Sasuke!

The only time I really recall was the beginning of Part 2 when she thought he matured.

Edited by Pepsi, 19 April 2014 - 05:34 PM.

[ramenanmitsu]

Actually, I never disagreed to your opinion that Naruto was going to fight Sasuke alone. That is my opinion as well. The only reason why I'm quoting you is because I don't agree with your reasons.

Naruto has a rivalry with Sasuke and the way he expressed it on part 1 and later, she knows that he wants to fight Sasuke.It contradicts with his desire to fight Sasuke and be acknowledged in the end. 

Naruto also knows that she wants to bring Sasuke back as well. It's not only Naruto's desire. Also it does not contradict his desire to fight Sasuke and be acknowledged by him because he is going to fight with him whether it be solo or with a team. The biggest difference in regards to Naruto's Hokage ideology and Sasuke's Hokage ideology is that Naruto believes that trusting his people and relying on them is what makes him an acknowledged Hokage, whereas, Sasuke believes more in power and destroying the system. If Naruto wants Sasuke to acknowledge his ideology, fighting against Sasuke together with his comrades is actually a logical choice to prove that his ideology is right.

It doesnt but would she risk taking a way a personal request from Naruto and hurting his feelings?He wants a fight against Sasuke and win, it's the same as Naruto interfering in a Sakura vs Ino fight.She would be seem selfish rather than actually helping Naruto

Naruto would seem selfish himself if he didn't allow Sakura to help him when she's also the member of team seven. Naruto telling her to not interfere hurt her in part one. Would Naruto risk hurting her again by repeating that? I don't think Naruto would mind her support because after all, in the hospital, Naruto smiled saying that he was happy that they were getting closer to Sasuke 'together'.

i doubt that Kishi would turn the most awaited fight of the manga into something like Naruto/Sakura vs Sasuke or Naruto/k11 vs Sasuke rather than Naruto vs Sasuke. 

Agree.

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Leave him to me was a statement towards Itachi. It's a promise Naruto made to take care of Sasuke in place of Itachi, who couldn't be there for him. This statement has nothing to do with whether Naruto will fight Sasuke solo or not.

[narusaku256]

The only time I really recall was the beginning of Part 2 when she thought he matured.

What about post Heaven and Earth bridge scene, in the forest?
What about Sakura's reaction to 'I kinda feel, this brings both of us closer to Sasuke'(Naruto's words)?
What about feeding Ramen scene, just before she makes up her mind to feed him?
What about the post hug scene? Btw she is shown blushing as everyone praises Naruto.
What about the tender pink look she gave to Naruto just after his showdown with Sasuke?

[TouKen4Life3g]

So....what's happening here?

[Sakamaki Izayoi]

Actually, I never disagreed to your opinion that Naruto was going to fight Sasuke alone. That is my opinion as well. The only reason why I'm quoting you is because I don't agree with your reasons.
Naruto also knows that she wants to bring Sasuke back as well. It's not only Naruto's desire. Also it does not contradict his desire to fight Sasuke and be acknowledged by him because he is going to fight with him whether it be solo or with a team. The biggest difference in regards to Naruto's Hokage ideology and Sasuke's Hokage ideology is that Naruto believes that trusting his people and relying on them is what makes him an acknowledged Hokage, whereas, Sasuke believes more in power and destroying the system. If Naruto wants Sasuke to acknowledge his ideology, fighting against Sasuke together with his comrades is actually a logical choice to prove that his ideology is right.

It is but Sasuke would still look down to Naruto in terms of power and equality, which is something Naruto wants to be looked upon, the problem is how he will make Sasuke acknowledge that they are both equals if he need the power of his friends to be able to defeat him?
That's why it contradicts with Naruto's ideology.

Also there the complex of Vegita on Sasuke on which he cannot accept that Naruto is stronger than him which enforces the fact Naruto should beat him in an one vs one.
Just by this i want him to have his butt kicked by the hero of the series.
 

Naruto would seem selfish himself if he didn't allow Sakura to help him when she's also the member of team seven. Naruto telling her to not interfere hurt her in part one. Would Naruto risk hurting her again by repeating that? I don't think Naruto would mind her support because after all, in the hospital, Naruto smiled saying that he was happy that they were getting closer to Sasuke 'together'.

But how that can be negative?
The statement is not wrong in essence, he always did the things for the others his whole life, he vowed to bring Sasuke back despite having Akatsuki hunting him.
And when he wants to do something by himself people wants to deny him this right because of "selfish".
Not every kind of selfish is negative, Naruto has the right if he wants to handle something by himself.
 

Leave him to me was a statement towards Itachi. It's a promise Naruto made to take care of Sasuke in place of Itachi, who couldn't be there for him. This statement has nothing to do with whether Naruto will fight Sasuke solo or not.

Going a bit on the past there's another moment, after they came back from the summit he reassured once again that he wanted to handle it by himself and told his friends to not fight with Sasuke.
In a reunion with K11.

Edited by Dαrkrєrsŧ, 19 April 2014 - 07:35 PM.

[Gojira]

What about post Heaven and Earth bridge scene, in the forest?
What about Sakura's reaction to 'I kinda feel, this brings both of us closer to Sasuke'(Naruto's words)?
What about feeding Ramen scene, just before she makes up her mind to feed him?
What about the post hug scene? Btw she is shown blushing as everyone praises Naruto.
What about the tender pink look she gave to Naruto just after his showdown with Sasuke?

I do not recall her blushing during any of those times I think that was just in the anime

[ramenanmitsu]

It is but Sasuke would still look down to Naruto in terms of power and equality, which is something Naruto wants to be looked upon, the problem is how he will make Sasuke acknowledge that they are both equals if he need the power of his friends to be able to defeat him?That's why it contradicts with Naruto's ideology.Also there the complex of Vegita on Sasuke on which he cannot accept that Naruto is stronger than him which enforces the fact Naruto should beat him in an one vs one.Just by this i want him to have his butt kicked by the hero of the series.

He made Obito acknowledge that friends are important. And as you said, Naruto only gave his friends his own power, which is actually Naruto's powers. It proved how strong Naruto is that he could make an army with a Kyuubi cloak all by himself.

......Talking of 'the power of friends', did you like how Konoha 11 attacked Obito with Naruto's Rasengan? I wonder what was their purpose? :/

 But how that can be negative?The statement is not wrong in essence, he always did the things for the others his whole life, he vowed to bring Sasuke back despite having Akatsuki hunting him.And when he wants to do something by himself people wants to deny him this right because of "selfish".Not every kind of selfish is negative, Naruto has the right if he wants to handle something by himself. 

The same could be said for Sakura. She has constantly been doing things for Naruto to the point that people call her pairing fodder. She has every right to be involved in bringing back her teammate. How come when Naruto and Sakura wish the same thing, it isn't negative for Naruto but it's negative for Sakura?

Going a bit on the past there's another moment, after they came back from the summit he reassured once again that he wanted to handle it by himself and told his friends to not fight with Sasuke.In a reunion with K11.

As I said, this was the peak of when he was handling everything alone. His ideology changed when he met Itachi. (This ideology sucks....I don't care about other fodder ninjas :(

[Sakamaki Izayoi]

He made Obito acknowledge that friends are important. And as you said, Naruto only gave his friends his own power, which is actually Naruto's powers. It proved how strong Naruto is that he could make an army with a Kyuubi cloak all by himself.


......Talking of 'the power of friends', did you like how Konoha 11 attacked Obito with Naruto's Rasengan? I wonder what was their purpose? :/

I didnt like it sucked hard because if it was to show the friendship power they should have attacked with their own jutsus.
 

The same could be said for Sakura. She has constantly been doing things for Naruto to the point that people call her pairing fodder. She has every right to be involved in bringing back her teammate. How come when Naruto and Sakura wish the same thing, it isn't negative for Naruto but it's negative for Sakura?

because it's Naruto own personal request, imagine if Naruto jumped on Ino x Sakura's fight.
it's the same thing, Naruto wants to setter his own personal business with Sasuke, which doesnt involve Sakura, his rivalry with him and the superiority complex Sasuke has is nothing of Sakura's business.
All i said is that Naruto wanting to resolve this by himself is not selfish or negative for him, however he obviously wont like if she jumps into to fight with him against Sasuke because he wont be acknowledged as an equal by Sasuke if he's defeated with the help of his friends, he would still look down at Naruto.

He's vegeta of Naruto, he is going to be beaten and will acknowledge Naruto after that he will stop asspulling and peace will prevail.
 

As I said, this was the peak of when he was handling everything alone. His ideology changed when he met Itachi. (This ideology sucks....I don't care about other fodder ninjas :(

I dont have a clear opinion about this, because many things Naruto did after it contradicts and make me feel that he's mostly following it on theory rather putting it on practice.
He absorbed many things like "acknowledgement of his friends and that friends are important" but he's reluctant or letting them fight for real against stronger opponents without the cost of a big share of his own power.

After Neji's death he accepted that his friends might sacrifice their lives for him however right after that, he passed the entire fight playing defensive mode and saving everyone from Obito attacks and was going to fail if Sasuke didnt appeared with reinforcements.

Edited by Dαrkrєrsŧ, 19 April 2014 - 09:48 PM.

[James S Cassidy]

So....what's happening here?

Pretty much the same thing everyday....people can't agree to disagree.