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[redragon88]

Erm, what if i say yes???

Then you shall hear my BATTLE ROAR!

I don't know, he kind of did it with Karin. Just saying.

Karin swore she would be together with Naruto and fight with him?

[James S Cassidy]

Karin did hint it something like that in 574, so I guess that's our fault for not noticing it or maybe there's more to it as we all jump to conclusion. Hard to say. That said I don't think she will fan girl, rather just be happy that at least he's doing something right for once. Karin is more Juvia type where obsession is in play when Sasuke's there. You may not like it, but that seems like the case IF she is truly like this. Who knows.

You don't say "I'm done with you" only to get back with him next time you see him.

Sorry, but I don't accept that. Even with the supposed "hint." Even if she still does love him, she still forgave him way too easily.

Edited by James S Cassidy, 15 April 2013 - 09:30 PM.

[TouKen4Life3g]

Then you shall hear my BATTLE ROAR!




Karin swore she would be together with Naruto and fight with him?

Lol. The thing is that Karin got one lead: Sasuke. She can choose to go no one but since Team Taka is still alive, might as well I guess. Sakura got two directions: Naruto and Sasuke. Her case is different and I don't think it's that simple at all. I don't know why Sakura will go back ignoring Naruto, but whatever. Anyway, I guess we won't know since he and others will take a while to get there.

You don't say "I'm done with you" only to get back with him next time you see him.

Sorry, but I don't accept that. Even with the supposed "hint." Even if she still does love him, she still forgave him way too easily.

I can understand the forgiving part, but I must admit, the manifesto made me rethink about it and I guess we were wrong about the interpretation. I would like someone in here who knows what I'm talking about. So yeah, it's possible that we got the wrong idea of what she said. That or something must have happened. I don't know. Karin was there with Naruto's epic speech so who knows. Take it or leave it.

Edited by NaruSaku4Life3g, 15 April 2013 - 09:33 PM.

[Inferno180]

I ain't even gonna touch that one. I don't want to think about it at all. Instead I hoping for a good ending. Something worth it's merit.

I think what most of us want to see is either Sasuke showing more that we are not seeing (such as his reason for the fight to still occur with Naruto) and how Sakura will act next time she sees him like obviously being cautious (cause to team 7, Sasuke is still a revenge driven psycho last they saw) due to what Sasuke nearly did to her twice, I mean we want Sakura to act reasonable around him in the future considering how he acted last time regardless, that was his own choice in attempting to strike her down. I mean a reasonable thing from Sakura could be just going with how Naruto feels towards Sasuke until their fight comes, I'm kinda hoping Sakura remains distanced and views Sasuke cautiously, that difference is his demeanor changed but she feels unsure about him and knowing the efforts of Naruto and how he feels about her as well. Hopefully kishi stands on his work and makes Sakura mature, maturing on her part would be obviously as others said, knowing the difference between idealistic and real feelings. I mean its still reasonable to imagine after Naruto and Sasuke come back from all the dust and their fight, Sakura at first appears to go to Sasuke, but instead goes to Naruto, (that would be a predictable scene).

If Sakura and Sai found time to break from the fight to see the kage or a break in the fight allows this, Its reasonable to see that if they went to get Tsunade and the kage, Sakura and whoever she goes with may intercept Taka and the Hokages. Despite the new Sasuke, the whole deal with the 4 kages itself has made so much possible this point forward, I mean many situations can take place.

-The battle can just go too the end (shortest but its the longest battle in the series).

- A break could occur with the ten tails going dormant, Madara unleashes his susanno army or shadow clone army to drive the allaince back, both sides get to make plans for the final conflict with the ten tails.

-Naruto meets up with Minato

- We see what became of the 4 kages and tsunades possible fate

-The alliance can be steamrolled

- someone to save Yamato?

I'm really hoping the ten tails goes dormant, I mean they said it was a larva state, it has to mature in some way rather than just grow, even then Madara would need time once revived to initiate the eye of the moon plan. So there are 2 possible future break moments before the 10 tails fight and ultimately Naruto vs. Sasuke.

The real funny thing about the current fight and Taka+the hokages moving out is that they both can lead to so many possible events, the only granted one is Naruto and Minato meet up along with Hashirama and Madara facing each other for the final time, the rest we have no idea but its possible something could occur like Sakura arrives to Tsunade (possibly a farewell) and the other kage get up so they can play a role in the fight clash against madara. Heck that Sakura power up theroy can still happen by Tsunade or Hashirama meeting up with both of them and giving something to Sakura cause she is Tsunade's apprentice.

No doubt though, aside from some being worried about the structure of the story, many possibilities remain open. I just hope someone gets Yamato out of his predicament. I feel that in some way we get a retreat, regroup, and then final fight with madara and then true final battle for the future of the ninja world with Naruto and Sasuke. A lot of stuff can still happen, we just do not have any solid answer given the cliffhanger from the 10 tails fight and the end of this smaller Sasuke arc.

[James S Cassidy]

I can understand the forgiving part, but I must admit, the manifesto made me rethink about it and I guess we were wrong about the interpretation. I would like someone in here who knows what I'm talking about. So yeah, it's possible that we got the wrong idea of what she said. That or something must have happened. I don't know. Karin was there with Naruto's epic speech so who knows. Take it or leave it.

Again, I don't really care, man. No offense and I hate to sound heartless, but the scene just leaves such a bad taste in my mouth and no amount of such "hints" or how "insane" Karin is is gonna change my mind. What still stands out above all else is the fact that we had this big important scene where Karin got stabbed and Sasuke used her like a tool. She makes this big important speech in this sincere tone and face structure like "Is this really how it is? I don't know if....no, you know what...I am done."

This last chapter made this entire scene seem pointless and might as well not happen at all. That's what urks me more than anything.

and yeah, I heard all the theories, but that's all they are is theories. We don't know if they will even come true or not.

I was mistaken by face structures in the past as well with Hinata who I thought during the hug scene was kind of content with NS. We all knew that too like maybe she grew up. She didn't give up her love, but it was almost like "I am gonna stop chasing and let him choose." Then we got 573 and 615 from Hinata and we were wrong then too. Actually what you propose for us mistaking it applies to this with Hinata, but with Karin we got so much more indepth scene that seems to have been wasted.

Sad part is, I never thought anything about Karin until that scene where she said she was willing to be done with Sasuke. I thought "See? Even she can see it." Guess I was wrong.

Edited by James S Cassidy, 15 April 2013 - 09:47 PM.

[redragon88]

You don't say "I'm done with you" only to get back with him next time you see him.

Sorry, but I don't accept that. Even with the supposed "hint." Even if she still does love him, she still forgave him way too easily.

That's a bad interpretation of the translation.

A more accurate one is "That's enough... about Sasuke". It's not that Karin was done with Sasuke forever, but as long as Sasuke kept his dark nature she wasn't going to stick by him. That's why she was happy to see Sasuke back to who he was before the Summit arc, but she's still angry at him.

[HauntedCake]

Then you shall hear my BATTLE ROAR!

That's a bad interpretation of the translation.

A more accurate one is "That's enough... about Sasuke". It's not that Karin was done with Sasuke forever, but as long as Sasuke kept his dark nature she wasn't going to stick by him. That's why she was happy to see Sasuke back to who he was before the Summit arc, but she's still angry at him.

This could be applied to SS as well which means we are kittened...

Edited by HauntedCake, 15 April 2013 - 09:53 PM.

[Shadow1275]

You don't say "I'm done with you" only to get back with him next time you see him.

Sorry, but I don't accept that. Even with the supposed "hint." Even if she still does love him, she still forgave him way too easily.

Don't forget though that Karin was always a fan-girl. and even though she said she was done with him, she still had not gotten over him. Sakura's different, we haven't seen her fangirl at all in part 2. I don't think that she's going to let Sasuke off the hook if he even is truly redeemed.

[TouKen4Life3g]

This could be applied to SS as well which means we are kittened...

But you're saying that she will go chapter 3 on us, which again, I don't think that will happen. I can see her happy but that's it. Why would she do that. Plus, don't you want it to be a fair game with two good guys, one choice? If done right, I think the accomplishment will be grander than getting a difficult achievement from a game.

[James S Cassidy]

That's a bad interpretation of the translation.

A more accurate one is "That's enough... about Sasuke". It's not that Karin was done with Sasuke forever, but as long as Sasuke kept his dark nature she wasn't going to stick by him. That's why she was happy to see Sasuke back to who he was before the Summit arc, but she's still angry at him.

See, this is another problem: Ambiguity. Even that line "That's enough...about Sasuke." Can be taken so many ways that it could mean anything. So now we have a huge manga where we have to carefully read each line as they could mean anything.

It could be the translation error or just a badly written scene. Might as well say the real line is "That's enough about Sasuke...for now."

Not everything has to be a twist Kishi...make something straight forward for once. How many excuses must we make for this writer? When can we say "Yeah. Kishi screwed up on that one." I find myself always saying that whenever I find fault with a chapter it is always my fault cause "I interpreted wrong." Well, to be fair as well, if Kishi didn't make everything so cryptic to the point that nothing can be taken at value at the time, then misinterpretation wouldn't happen as often as they do.

Yes, a twist is okay every now and then, but this guy is starting to twist EVERYTHING and it is annoying at times.

Edited by James S Cassidy, 15 April 2013 - 10:02 PM.

[TouKen4Life3g]

See, this is another problem: Ambiguity. Even that line "That's enough...about Sasuke." Can be taken so many ways that it could mean anything. So now we have a huge manga where we have to carefully read each line as they could mean anything.

It could be the translation error or just a badly written scene. Might as well say the real line is "That's enough about Sasuke...for now."

Not everything has to be a twist Kishi...make something straight forward for once. How many excuses must we make for this writer? When can we say "Yeah. Kishi screwed up on that one." I find myself always saying that whenever I find fault with a chapter it is always my fault cause "I interpreted wrong." Well, to be fair as well, if Kishi didn't make everything so cryptic to the point that nothing can be taken at value at the time, then misinterpretation wouldn't happen as often as they do.

Yes, a twist is okay every now and then, but this guys is starting to twist EVERYTHING and it is annoying at times.

Yeah...imagine if Sakura was really done with Sasuke. It's just the writing of his is twisting all of us and honestly, that can be the case for many characters. It is annoying. That's why I have to wait for upcoming volume to give me the right idea on the whole thing.

[Tsubaki]

You don't say "I'm done with you" only to get back with him next time you see him.

Sorry, but I don't accept that. Even with the supposed "hint." Even if she still does love him, she still forgave him way too easily.

Just to claryfy things about it. I recomend you to read it

http://fuckyeahsasuk...-is-over-sasuke



actually I recommend you to read this entire section on meaning /real translation of some SasuKarin scenes:

http://fuckyeahsasuk...ed/translations


Japanese is such a wonderful language! just the use of a certain word can indicate many different things and completely change the way you interpret something . I must learn japanese!

I wonder how many NaruSaku hints we lose because of these mistranslations...

Edited by Tsubaki, 15 April 2013 - 10:04 PM.

[James S Cassidy]

Yeah...imagine if Sakura was really done with Sasuke. It's just the writing of his is twisting all of us and honestly, that can be the case for many characters. It is annoying. That's why I have to wait for upcoming volume to give me the right idea on the whole thing.

Kishi must like Assassin's Creed.

"Nothing is true. Everything is permitted"

Japanese is such a wonderful language! just the use of a certain word can indicate many different things and completely change the way we interpret something . I must learn japanese!

I wonder how many NaruSaku hints we lose because of these mistranslations...

I don't want to read it because this isn't the point of mistranslations. It's the point that Kishi can not give a straight answer to anything and it's getting to be a problem lately and I find it driving the fan base into a complete and total meltdown almost every other week.

We can alter for mistranslations and we have many sources of each scene giving different translations. Enough that we can piece it all together, but lately we have been given a lot of red herrings and chekov's guns to the point that we can't even respect the characters anymore. We don't know where Kishi is going with it until he does it and there is no way to actually guess where he is going with it.

"Minato is gonna give his son a gift." Really? I wonder if it is the other Nine-tails power or the FTG? Answer: It could be none of the above. It could be a special Kunai that seems to have no purpose, but later on is the one thing that solves all his problems. We don't know.

Imagine how people would see Hinata if he focused more on just her and not just how she interacts with Naruto?
Imagine how things would be different if he actually tried showing Sakura the heroine more? We know she is, but the other fanbase doesn't.
Imagine if Ten-Ten had a purpose?

Instead, everything gets forced back to the Uchiha and how they "love too much." It seems like the biggest problem Kishi has, he hasn't even been focusing on for the sake of Sasuke and his development.

And let's admit, Kishi is still human. he is bound to screw up every now and then or at least write himself into a corner.

Edited by James S Cassidy, 15 April 2013 - 10:17 PM.

[Shadow1275]

Kishi must like Assassin's Creed.

"Nothing is true. Everything is permitted"

Classic. Still, how can we be sure that Sasuke is truly redeemed or that he cares about Sakura? The facts are that he has always cared about Itachi and gaining power to achieve his goals. Kishi has promised that Naruto and Sasuke have to fight. This means that something about Sasuke and Naruto's character's has to conflict. If they fight then Sakura will have to support somebody, who do you think she is going to support?

Though Karin had never gotten over Sasuke, we don't know for sure if she's not planning to betray them. True, her getting over Sasuke was bull### but that chapter just seemed so forced. Something's not right.

As for Sakura, she hasn't shown any fan-girling in part 2 at all. Plus, if Kishi wanted SS to happen why would he call it a Selfish love?

Edited by Shadow1275, 15 April 2013 - 10:11 PM.

[redragon88]

See, this is another problem: Ambiguity. Even that line "That's enough...about Sasuke." Can be taken so many ways that it could mean anything. So now we have a huge manga where we have to carefully read each line as they could mean anything.

It could be the translation error or just a badly written scene. Might as well say the real line is "That's enough about Sasuke...for now."

Not everything has to be a twist Kishi...make something straight forward for once. How many excuses must we make for this writer? When can we say "Yeah. Kishi screwed up on that one." I find myself always saying that whenever I find fault with a chapter it is always my fault cause "I interpreted wrong." Well, to be fair as well, if Kishi didn't make everything so cryptic to the point that nothing can be taken at value at the time, then misinterpretation wouldn't happen as often as they do.

Yes, a twist is okay every now and then, but this guy is starting to twist EVERYTHING and it is annoying at times.

Maybe the problem really is us, as in all of us who don't read the manga in japanese.

As has been said before there are many things that are lost in translation between cultures, especially with japanese language. So there's a good chance that we miss many hints that would be more obvious if we were native japanese speakers.

[TouKen4Life3g]

Just to claryfy things about it. I recomend you to read it

http://fuckyeahsasuk...-is-over-sasuke



actually I recommend you to read this entire section on meaning /real translation of some SasuKarin scenes:

http://fuckyeahsasuk...ed/translations


Japanese is such a wonderful language! just the use of a certain word can indicate many different things and completely change the way you interpret something . I must learn japanese!

I wonder how many NaruSaku hints we lose because of these mistranslations...

It is, isn't it?

I think we got the right idea. What I'm upset is where these merchandise or other NS stuff been when we were around. For example, Shounen Jump listed Naruto's love date.

Kishi must like Assassin's Creed.

"Nothing is true. Everything is permitted"

Lol

Classic. Still, how can we be sure that Sasuke is truly redeemed or that he cares about Sakura? The facts are that he has always cared about Itachi and gaining power to achieve his goals. Kishi has promised that Naruto and Sasuke have to fight. This means that something about Sasuke and Naruto's character's has to conflict. If they fight then Sakura will have to support somebody, who do you think she is going to support?

True. We should just wait.

[Shadow1275]

It is, isn't it?

I think we got the right idea. What I'm upset is where these merchandise or other NS stuff been when we were around. For example, Shounen Jump listed Naruto's love date.


Lol


True. We should just wait.

I think there was a Valentines Day issue too. Guess who was in the heart above Naruto? And we only have to wait another llooonnnggg week and a half.

[redragon88]

This could be applied to SS as well which means we are kittened...

I really don't see how. Sakura is not Karin. I really hate that people say Karin is just a Part 1 Sakura.

Karin isn't even afraid of being rude to Sasuke. How would that be the same as Part 1 Sakura? Seriously.

[CynMichi]

You know I'm still hoping that Kishi remembers his whole "looking underneath the underneath" thing because this last chapter could use a twist IMO. I feel like perhaps Karin may stick near Sasuke to watch how things unfold. We know via Suigetsu that she DID something to Sasuke, now it seems to me she's awfully buddy buddy with Orochi (who I don't trust AT ALL) so she could be waiting for revenge. There's also that encounter with Naruto and Sakura that Karin had where she remarks on Naruto's warm chakra, I wonder if she's even aware she's an Uzumaki also? I don't think it was mentioned but I can't recall. If she IS aware of her own lineage and her relation to Naruto that could shake things up. I just hope for something more ....but I have a feeling it will end up a disappointment.

Honestly the whole thing with Sasukes redemption could have only happened one epic way for me. Obito targets Sakura, Naruto jumps in front, Sasuke jumps in front of them both...it may still happen but after this sudden change of heart Sasuke had (if he isnt just BS'ing) it would seem cheap.

[James S Cassidy]

As for Sakura, she hasn't shown any fan-girling in part 2 at all. Plus, if Kishi wanted SS to happen why would he call it a Selfish love?

I never said anything about Sakura's fangirling. I said that I expect her future development is going to occur when Sasuke is on the scene. See even English mistranslation can happen.

As for everything else

http://www.narusaku....s...st&p=454669

Edited by James S Cassidy, 15 April 2013 - 10:25 PM.