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Posted 15 April 2013 - 07:03 PM

QUOTE (NaruSaku4Life3g @ Apr 15 2013, 09:59 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
As if we leak the info for him. So it's best to either just wait or predict any NH/SS to make Kishi say, "Nope." I don't know. I keep it to myself before I truly think he don't want any of us right. Including NF people. tongue.gif

Let's say all the things that we don't want in the manga... and our wishes are granted XD

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Posted 15 April 2013 - 07:06 PM

QUOTE (T XD @ Apr 15 2013, 03:03 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Let's say all the things that we don't want in the manga... and our wishes are granted XD

I'm actually thinking that's case but we'll see. I'll notice it when I see forced parallels being being confirmed. laugh.gif

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Posted 15 April 2013 - 08:04 PM

These guys are everywhere. I knows its youtube and you can say kitten logics over there but this is too much.
I was watching a neutral Naruto vs Pain AMV. I found this is the comments:

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1thing you never do when naruto is around....hurt hinata in any way unless you want the same thing the naruto did to deva pain thumbs up if you agree

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i agre nobody hurts Hinata


Dear god I facepalmed. This specific guy as it apears is actually jealous of Sakura for Hinata. What he just wrote would of made perfect sense if he switched Hinata with Sakura.
Why do these guys think that he cares about her more than average. i think Rock Lee would get more emotion if he was in Hinata`s place. This is just beyond wishfull thinking.

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Posted 15 April 2013 - 08:20 PM

QUOTE (StrikerTheNoble @ Apr 15 2013, 04:04 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
These guys are everywhere. I knows its youtube and you can say kitten logics over there but this is too much.
I was watching a neutral Naruto vs Pain AMV. I found this is the comments:




Dear god I facepalmed. This specific guy as it apears is actually jealous of Sakura for Hinata. What he just wrote would of made perfect sense if he switched Hinata with Sakura.
Why do these guys think that he cares about her more than average. i think Rock Lee would get more emotion if he was in Hinata`s place. This is just beyond wishfull thinking.


Piece of advice, Striker. Don't watch anything with Naruto and Hinata in the same thing. Chances are on YT you'll just get retarded NH comments that are exaggerated and bias.

I'm still facepalming at a NH comment on there saying "Can't wait to see you with Hinata, Naruto! So we can see some beautiful purple and blond-haired babies. <3"

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Posted 15 April 2013 - 08:27 PM

QUOTE (xxRomanceGirlxx @ Apr 15 2013, 04:20 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Piece of advice, Striker. Don't watch anything with Naruto and Hinata in the same thing. Chances are on YT you'll just get retarded NH comments that are exaggerated and bias.

I'm still facepalming at a NH comment on there saying "Can't wait to see you with Hinata, Naruto! So we can see some beautiful purple and blond-haired babies. <3"

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Worst one I've ever seen was when some guy said "Sakura's a b**ch." Oh wait, all the jealous NH fans on YT say that. kruemelmonsteryn0.gif

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Posted 15 April 2013 - 08:30 PM

QUOTE (xxRomanceGirlxx @ Apr 15 2013, 01:20 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Piece of advice, Striker. Don't watch anything with Naruto and Hinata in the same thing. Chances are on YT you'll just get retarded NH comments that are exaggerated and bias.

I'm still facepalming at a NH comment on there saying "Can't wait to see you with Hinata, Naruto! So we can see some beautiful purple and blond-haired babies. <3"

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Is it weird that I have kind of transcended pairing wars? I mean, not that I hate NS or am abandoning it, but the fact that I have come to the point that the plot itself is more important than the pairing war itself. Hell, I care more about how Kishi treats the characters than I do the pairing war.

It's...sad. I am really sad that Hinata, a character who has potential, has been reduced to nothing more than pairing fodder and...even sadder that most of the fans accept this. The fact that the fans never question her or her motives and ignore some of the more finer points. Did these people realize that all they care about Hinata is her relationship with Naruto? They don't care if she is strong or weak, brave or scared. They don't care whether she is the next heir or how she is going to deal with it. All they care about is how she will get with Naruto.

Same thing with the other female characters. The only character who has more depth is Sakura and even now she is being pushed back.

I am...just utterly disappointed in the fans lately. Not every fan, but most of them. How blind they really are to the facts of the manga all because they want their pairing to happen not knowing that Hinata is flat. Ino is flat. Karin is flat and most of the female cast is flat. Sakura may be ignored lately, but she isn't flat like the others. She isn't as predictable as say Hinata who we know is going to just suck up the pairing aura Naruto emits or Ino whose whole life is "I am going to beat Sakura to Sasuke."

Okay, maybe I am being a bit dramatic and the characters do have some depth, but the fact that the fans have reduced them to nothing more than pairing fodder is...very saddening. I have to wonder if Kishi just gave up on some characters or he is trying to make them interesting only for the fans to not see past their pairing goggles.

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Posted 15 April 2013 - 08:31 PM

QUOTE (xxRomanceGirlxx @ Apr 15 2013, 11:20 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Piece of advice, Striker. Don't watch anything with Naruto and Hinata in the same thing. Chances are on YT you'll just get retarded NH comments that are exaggerated and bias.

I'm still facepalming at a NH comment on there saying "Can't wait to see you with Hinata, Naruto! So we can see some beautiful purple and blond-haired babies. <3"

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Posted 15 April 2013 - 08:37 PM

QUOTE (James S Cassidy @ Apr 15 2013, 09:30 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Is it weird that I have kind of transcended pairing wars? I mean, not that I hate NS or am abandoning it, but the fact that I have come to the point that the plot itself is more important than the pairing war itself. Hell, I care more about how Kishi treats the characters than I do the pairing war.

It's...sad. I am really sad that Hinata, a character who has potential, has been reduced to nothing more than pairing fodder and...even sadder that most of the fans accept this. The fact that the fans never question her or her motives and ignore some of the more finer points. Did these people realize that all they care about Hinata is her relationship with Naruto? They don't care if she is strong or weak, brave or scared. They don't care whether she is the next heir or how she is going to deal with it. All they care about is how she will get with Naruto.

Same thing with the other female characters. The only character who has more depth is Sakura and even now she is being pushed back.

I am...just utterly disappointed in the fans lately. Not every fan, but most of them. How blind they really are to the facts of the manga all because they want their pairing to happen not knowing that Hinata is flat. Ino is flat. Karin is flat and most of the female cast is flat. Sakura may be ignored lately, but she isn't flat like the others. She isn't as predictable as say Hinata who we know is going to just suck up the pairing aura Naruto emits or Ino whose whole life is "I am going to beat Sakura to Sasuke."

Okay, maybe I am being a bit dramatic and the characters do have some depth, but the fact that the fans have reduced them to nothing more than pairing fodder is...very saddening. I have to wonder if Kishi just gave up on some characters or he is trying to make them interesting only for the fans to not see past their pairing goggles.


TBH and i know you are gonna hate it together with me and all the other NS fanbase but sakura's role will get bigger when sasuke is back:S makes no sense but really just wait and see my gess at least.

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Posted 15 April 2013 - 08:47 PM

QUOTE (xxRomanceGirlxx @ Apr 15 2013, 09:20 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Piece of advice, Striker. Don't watch anything with Naruto and Hinata in the same thing. Chances are on YT you'll just get retarded NH comments that are exaggerated and bias.

I'm still facepalming at a NH comment on there saying "Can't wait to see you with Hinata, Naruto! So we can see some beautiful purple and blond-haired babies. <3"

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In fairness we do the same. sleep.gif

But NaruHuna babies would look weird. The eyes to be specific.

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Posted 15 April 2013 - 08:48 PM

QUOTE (Arachnia @ Apr 15 2013, 01:37 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
TBH and i know you are gonna hate it together with me and all the other NS fanbase but sakura's role will get bigger when sasuke is back:S makes no sense but really just wait and see my gess at least.


Actually, I don't hate it at all because I knew it was going to come down to it. I know Sakura is not going to have any major development until Sasuke comes onto the scene. (Now what I am gonna hate is if she becomes a fangirl again like Karin is right now, but that's a different thing) However, I never for saw it this soon. I thought the next time they would meet is when the Naruto vs Sasuke battle happened. Maybe Sasuke is not joining the battle or whatever. Unknown. Perhaps Sasuke is playing a ploy and while everyone is busy, he will sneak off.

However, does anyone see anything important happening to Hinata is that NOT pairing related? Anyone? Sakura has her moments already so it is only fair we return that issue, but Hinata had or will have any moments that are not Naruto related? I didn't think so.
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Posted 15 April 2013 - 08:50 PM

QUOTE (James S Cassidy @ Apr 15 2013, 05:48 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Actually, I don't hate it at all because I knew it was going to come down to it. I know Sakura is not going to have any major development until Sasuke comes onto the scene. (Now what I am gonna hate is if she becomes a fangirl again like Karin is right now, but that's a different thing) However, I never for saw it this soon. I thought the next time they would meet is when the Naruto vs Sasuke battle happened. Maybe Sasuke is not joining the battle or whatever. Unknown. Perhaps Sasuke is playing a ploy and while everyone is busy, he will sneak off.

However, does anyone see anything important happening to Hinata is that NOT pairing related? Anyone? Sakura has her moments already so it is only fair we return that issue, but Hinata had or will have any moments that are not Naruto related? I didn't think so.

To be fair lately Sakura's development is fliping between Naruto/Sasuke, we got a lot of development that Naruto give to her and also Sasuke, and then it flips between them.
The difference is that she's not self centered on neither on Sasuke or Naruto.

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Posted 15 April 2013 - 08:54 PM

QUOTE (Dαrkrєrsŧ @ Apr 15 2013, 01:50 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
To be fair lately Sakura's development is fliping between Naruto/Sasuke, we got a lot of development that Naruto give to her and also Sasuke, and then it flips between them.
The difference is that she's not self centered on neither on Sasuke or Naruto.


Again, I find this to be the point. I half expected this to keep happening till she finally chooses Naruto in the end. When she finally stands up to Sasuke and says "This is where I stand and I ain't moving."

Happens a lot with a lot of Tsunderes in stories
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Posted 15 April 2013 - 08:59 PM

QUOTE (James S Cassidy @ Apr 15 2013, 05:54 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Again, I find this to be the point. I half expected this to keep happening till she finally chooses Naruto in the end. When she finally stands up to Sasuke and says "This is where I stand and I ain't moving."

Happens a lot with a lot of Tsunderes in stories

At least we know he can destroy her character with 1 chapter.
He almost destroyed Naruto's character on 615 when on the whole arc he saying that a lot of people sacrificed themselves and he would not fail, and reassuring everytime to Obito that he would not become like him with the same justificative to just goin on despair on 615.
With Sasuke, 627 is stupid all around the way while Sasuke already thought about Itachi before and reassured his will to destroy the village and his hatred increased then with the same justificative he becomes good and apparently with his hatred dissipated, (hoping for a troll like 616).
Also with Sakura i'm seriously hoping for him to not deconstruct her character like he did with Naruto and Sasuke.

Ex: Make her fangirl over Sasuke or give a boost on her feelings for Sasuke who were already at the verge of dying, just to later "i really love Naruto not Sasuke".

I'm seriously hoping for him to not go for the deconstruct route.

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Posted 15 April 2013 - 09:00 PM

Regardless i think it's safe to say that we all accept an SS moment is incoming. Either a closure for Sakuras feelings for sasuke or she will suffer the same fate as Karin (fingirling). The problem we are faced with is Sasuke not being evil anymore. We called SS dead due to Sasuke. When Sakura see's the good Sasuke it could spell doom on NS. However there has been rumors of Kishi saying Sakura needs to grow up this sounds promising but again suggests she will be confonting sasuke soon which puts NS in danger unless Sakura is shown to have grown up since part 1 (choosing Naruto over sasuke, True love>Ideal love)

Due to recent trolling by kishi he could of changed his mind and decided for SS/NH due to popularity. It's a matter of whether he has given in to what the majority wants.

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Posted 15 April 2013 - 09:01 PM

QUOTE (Dαrkrєrsŧ @ Apr 15 2013, 01:59 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
At least we know he can destroy her character with 1 chapter.
He almost destroyed Naruto's character on 615 when on the whole arc he saying that a lot of people sacrificed themselves and he would not fail, and reassuring everytime to Obito that he would not become like him with the same justificative to just goin on despair on 615.
With Sasuke, 627 is stupid all around the way while Sasuke already thought about Itachi before and reassured his will to destroy the village and his hatred increased then with the same justificative he becomes good and apparently with his hatred dissipated, (hoping for a troll like 616).
Also with Sakura i'm seriously hoping for him to not deconstruct her character like he did with Naruto and Sasuke.


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Posted 15 April 2013 - 09:05 PM

QUOTE (HauntedCake @ Apr 15 2013, 06:00 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Regardless i think it's safe to say that we all accept an SS moment is incoming. Either a closure for Sakuras feelings for sasuke or she will suffer the same fate as Karin (fingirling). The problem we are faced with is Sasuke not being evil anymore. We called SS dead due to Sasuke. When Sakura see's the good Sasuke it could spell doom on NS. However there has been rumors of Kishi saying Sakura needs to grow up this sounds promising but again suggests she will be confonting sasuke soon which puts NS in danger unless Sakura is shown to have grown up since part 1 (choosing Naruto over sasuke, True love>Ideal love)

Due to recent trolling by kishi he could of changed his mind and decided for SS/NH due to popularity. It's a matter of whether he has given in to what the majority wants.

This is the problem why not give proper development to it instead of asspulling?
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Posted 15 April 2013 - 09:07 PM

Are people here that worried about Sakura's development only centering on Sasuke? Do you expect them to do some love-love combo against the enemy or something?

You guys do remember what happened to that other pair that was expected to fight while holding hands, right? (Golden byakugan laugh.gif )

Well, if Kishi gets some kind of amnesia and forgets that he made Sakura resolve herself to be together with Naruto in this final battle, then I guess the SasuSaku thing can happen as many fear. Otherwise we're going to see Sakura interact with Naruto a good amount from now on.

Doesn't it sound kind of retarded for Sakura to swear to be together with Naruto in this battle only to immediately dump that idea out of her head because Sasuke appears? She acknowledges Naruto's burdens but leaves him to the side because bonding with Sasuke takes priority? Really? Forget love, if Sakura does that she isn't even worthy of being Naruto's friend. That's why I find the idea so ridiculous.

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Posted 15 April 2013 - 09:16 PM

QUOTE (Dαrkrєrsŧ @ Apr 15 2013, 10:05 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
This is the problem why not give proper development to it instead of asspulling?


Yeah, kind of got me thinking. Maybe Naruto see's sakura and sasuke talking and he might think "So she does still love Sasuke"


QUOTE (redragon88 @ Apr 15 2013, 10:07 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Are people here that worried about Sakura's development only centering on Sasuke? Do you expect them to do some love-love combo against the enemy or something?


Erm, what if i say yes??? sweatdrop.gif

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Posted 15 April 2013 - 09:17 PM

QUOTE (redragon88 @ Apr 15 2013, 02:07 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Are people here that worried about Sakura's development only centering on Sasuke? Do you expect them to do some love-love combo against the enemy or something?


Not at all. As I said, I expect it to occur. The fact that Sakura needs closure and it is half expected for it to occur. Unless this moment already happen, but as I said, I am expecting one more moment of something with Sasuke in the picture. Not necessarily an SS thing. To what extent is the mystery.

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Doesn't it sound kind of retarded for Sakura to swear to be together with Naruto in this battle only to immediately dump that idea out of her head because Sasuke appears? She acknowledges Naruto's burdens but leaves him to the side because bonding with Sasuke takes priority? Really? Forget love, if Sakura does that she isn't even worthy of being Naruto's friend. That's why I find the idea so ridiculous.


I don't know, he kind of did it with Karin. Just saying.

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Posted 15 April 2013 - 09:25 PM

QUOTE (James S Cassidy @ Apr 15 2013, 05:17 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Not at all. As I said, I expect it to occur. The fact that Sakura needs closure and it is half expected for it to occur. Unless this moment already happen, but as I said, I am expecting one more moment of something with Sasuke in the picture. Not necessarily an SS thing. To what extent is the mystery.



I don't know, he kind of did it with Karin. Just saying.

Karin did hint it something like that in 574, so I guess that's our fault for not noticing it or maybe there's more to it as we all jump to conclusion. Hard to say. That said I don't think she will fan girl, rather just be happy that at least he's doing something right for once. Karin is more Juvia type where obsession is in play when Sasuke's there. You may not like it, but that seems like the case IF she is truly like this. Who knows.




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