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[James S Cassidy]

LOL We both laughed when we talked about it because it really is overkill. You can't get close to Sakura, Naruto is pretty much unstoppable and let's not even bring up Sasuke. 

 

What I wonder right now is how many do you think Sakura could take down alone with what we've seen so far? 

*tries hard not to think of Sakura punching Hinata Team Rocket style.*

That's bashing, brain. Stop it.

[Kakashi-Sensei]

LOL We both laughed when we talked about it because it really is overkill. You can't get close to Sakura, Naruto is pretty much unstoppable and let's not even bring up Sasuke. 

 

What I wonder right now is how many do you think Sakura could take down alone with what we've seen so far? 

I think the only one who could be a great opponant for them , just for one fight because he would die after , is Lee. If he oppens the 8 gates of course.

 

As for Sakura only , im pretty sure she could easely take down Ino , Tenten , Hinata, Shino and Kiba.

 

Neji , Lee , Chooji ( with is recent power up ) , Shikamaru would be taught. If this was only one on one , she could probably beat them all. But if they are reunited... Not sure.

[Dkey]

Sakura's feelings need to be adressed on panel. I'm wondering thou if Ino was seen still loving Sasuke so that Sakura's feelings wouldn't be so out of place at that moment.

Now SS and NS are very different pairings.
SS ask for only one of the party to prove itself while the other is considered judge.
NS cant work if both parties dont consent to it.
There isn't really any reason outside the manga for her to have those feelings but I'm thinking of Kakashi vs Obito and speculating on a future Naruto vs Obito TNJ battle.
I wonder if Naruto will give a speech about what he sees as love, triggering in Sakura the possibility for her to understand her feelings.

[TouKen4Life3g]

Not sure if this is the best place to ask this, but what could be the worst way to make her move on/realize her feelings for Naruto? No death.

[Zatheko]

Sakura's feelings need to be adressed on panel. I'm wondering thou if Ino was seen still loving Sasuke so that Sakura's feelings wouldn't be so out of place at that moment.

Now SS and NS are very different pairings.
SS ask for only one of the party to prove itself while the other is considered judge.
NS cant work if both parties dont consent to it.
There isn't really any reason outside the manga for her to have those feelings but I'm thinking of Kakashi vs Obito and speculating on a future Naruto vs Obito TNJ battle.
I wonder if Naruto will give a speech about what he sees as love, triggering in Sakura the possibility for her to understand her feelings.

I would actually like something like that.

 

Not sure if this is the best place to ask this, but what could be the worst way to make her move on/realize her feelings for Naruto? No death.

Sasuke telling Sakura he will never like her like that and to just move on is one thing I don't want (like what kakashi did to rin) it would still be like Sakura just resorting to Naruto as a back up basically.

 

Also I don't want for Sasuke to end up being evil again and this causes Sakura to give up on him, still falls into the category of her choosing Naruto because Sasuke is evil and isn't an option.

 

I just want for Sakura to realize her feelings for Naruto while Sasuke is still an option for her, maybe even something Tsunade says to her can trigger her to realize her true feelings. I don't want for Naruto to be back up/second place.

Edited by zatheko, 01 June 2013 - 05:24 AM.

[TouKen4Life3g]

Sasuke telling Sakura he will never like her like that and to just move on is one thing I don't want (like what kakashi did to rin) it would still be like Sakura just resorting to Naruto as a back up basically.

 

Also I don't want for Sasuke to end up being evil again and this causes Sakura to give up on him, still falls into the category of her choosing Naruto because Sasuke is evil and isn't an option.

 

I just want for Sakura to realize her feelings for Naruto while Sasuke is still an option for her, maybe even something Tsunade says to her can trigger her to realize her true feelings. I don't want for Naruto to be back up/second place.

Bolded: Funny, because this was how people wanted to happen in the first place. If it's best for you, she should figure it out before he may pull a fast one, if the hint behind indicates any sort of that. I'm going to recap all the parallels to see the best possible realization for her. Not a lot of anime/manga do the best path, but I wonder if Kishi will fall to that category. We'll see.

[Zatheko]

Bolded: Funny, because this was how people wanted to happen in the first place. If it's best for you, she should figure it out before he may pull a fast one, if the hint behind indicates any sort of that. I'm going to recap all the parallels to see the best possible realization for her. Not a lot of anime/manga do the best path, but I wonder if Kishi will fall to that category. We'll see.

Yeah I see all the people who expect him to have something up his sleeve and I am fine with that, as long as she realizes her feelings before 

 

I don't think anyone wants for Naruto to seem like second place right?

[TouKen4Life3g]

Yeah I see all the people who expect him to have something up his sleeve and I am fine with that, as long as she realizes her feelings before 

 

I don't think anyone wants for Naruto to seem like second place right?

Well of course not. It all depends on how it's written. Kishi can still make it convincing even when Sasuke is bad. It's all about using right words and such. It's hard but I guess that's where my focus is at. Yes, I cared about the story a lot, but since we're talking about pairing here, let's just focus here. Making a convincing love triangle, whether there is one or not, solution is a hard task in some way. Some can be done well, while other can be controversy.

 

Take one anime/manga for example. I don't want to say it because I may spoil you by mistake, so keep it hidden. That said the controversy route is that to solve the triangle, kill one character off. One pairing is confirmed, but a lot of people will forever debate that it wasn't that person's death, he will never go to the other girl. Kishi won't do this, though I hope not. Actually, one manga just ended and while I won the bet, it was odd. Then again, it got odd when part 2 began. Again, not saying the title.

 

Now, we are here. Can Kishi deliver a convincing solution to this? Yes, but does he know how to? Well, that's where we are concerned. Kishi does go back on his work, so that's a good sign so far. What we want to know is how would he execute it. Death is a cheating way, unless you can make it work but it's very hard and the one I mentioned above didn't do well to make it convincing. I mean sure the protagonist love both equally, but if that was the case, then no pairing would happen. So conclusion, kill one. Not my take. Yeah, let's see where this goes. I hope he knows what he's doing.

[HauntedCake]

I am tired of the pairing war. No offense, but it feels like 90% of the fandom only cares about the pairing war and nothing else. Between mistranslations, misinterpretations, and other things, it feels like we will never reach an end.

I don't know why Sakura still has lingering feelings for Sasuke. Really, there is just nothing appealing about the guy. Like, what is it about him that even the real female fandoms find appealing? He is a jerk, he attempted to kill two girls, and he is into nothing more than self-satisfaction. I don't get it. Is it the bench scene? I was hoping Sakura figured it out by now that that wasn't Sasuke, but...I am not sure. (And you'd think in a world where people can imitate others down to near perfect degree that the possibility of the Sasuke in the bench scene not being the real him would have clicked in sooner or later.)

Help me out here, ladies, why do you think girls are attached to Sasuke so? If it is just his looks, than wow. How shallow can you get? I don't get it, and maybe I never will. I guess I could argue why guys go after woman who are like that, but...I haven't seen that kind of behavior be accepted.

One thing I do find hard to believe is when you have a character who is so smart that they practically know everything, but in one area they can't even recognize the obvious. I find it more acceptable if the character was all around stupid, but not when a character is supposedly so intelligent across the board or something.

 

 

This is what I find funny though because A) There never was a relationship because Sasuke never started one with her and B) Sasuke never really abused her that often. In fact, he was away from her for a good two years and never cared whatsoever. It's not like Sasuke started out really good and loving and then changed evil. He was always a repulsive jerkass that didn't care for anyone, but himself. Sure, he helped his teammates out, but not out of caring.

 

I have never seen a "relationship", that has no good chemistry or any chemistry at all for that matter, stay so strong for so long. I would even go far as to say that Sakura's lingering feelings (If they still even exist) are the weirdest I have ever seen. She doesn't stay because she is abused by him nor is she staying cause he "used" to be a good person. Especially since in the beginning he was always a jerkass.

 

I think that's what is most confusing. Usually relationships, even abusive ones, usually have a ground to start from. This one has nothing, yet still seems to stay above water. That's really....odd. I don't know about you, but if I was in love with a girl and she ignored me for 2 years and not cared at all, I would have moved on by then completely. I can understand possibly feeling angry at their return, but not still be in love with them.

Hell, the only confliction I would have is whether or not to hate them. This is why I am a little bit more acceptable of Karin's feelings as she has been with him for those two years at least or has interacted with him on several occasions during that time. So it is understandable for her to feel this way, not Sakura. This might be the only thing I really hate about Sakura is this supposed lingering feelings. I know what it is like to have lingering feelings for someone, even I get over it after a while.
 

Honestly, there really is no strong reason why this confliction exists, but it does.
 

I used to think it was "infatuation," but infatuation doesn't really last this long. Especially when the glitter and gold fades away to reveal an ugly truth. How can she still be infatuated when she sees him as this jerkass, when she saw him perform these horrible acts, and not give a crap about anyone? This is the most puzzling, again. Even when the story of the prepubescent girl falls in love with jock occurs, she isn't stuck loving this guy for years on end (especially not after he treats her like crap). The one moment the jock shows their true colors she starts to rethink.

Months maybe, but not years. Like I said, two years have passed with Sasuke not caring. Shouldn't that be a hint? No one can be that stupid and blind.

There was a theory someone made, not sure who, where they talked about Naruto is causing Sakura to hold onto those feelings in inadvertently. Because Naruto refuses to peruse Sakura, she is stuck with the feelings she knows and the more Naruto influences them the more she pushes away. The day Naruto accepts Sakura is the day Sakura accepts her changing feelings. Paraphrasing of course, but there was a lot more to it.

I don't know if that is true, but if it is that is either the dumbest thing I have heard or the most clever. it would be a new take on the same 80s style story telling with a new twist.
 

 

It's not the joking panel that bothers me. It's just the possibility of thinking that the love triangle will continue. If Kishi were to continue it...it's getting harder to make it believable and merely just commenting on the idea of "Sakura still holding onto lingering feelings" being a weird plot hole by now. Like I said, after everything Sasuke try to do to Sakura, having the writer choice to make Sakura still retain feelings for him in some way...is kind of a weird.

 

 

it is one of those things I thought about after a while. You're in a world where you can disguise yourself as anyone. How can you be sure that the person who you thought you knew was not really the man who existed in the first place. I guess it is just one of those things where the hero or heroes forget they are living in their said world.

Sort of a "duuuhhhh" moment.

These two posts are epic.

 

Kishi cannot have Sakura continue to seek for any form of romance with Sasuke at this stage of the manga because if he is foreshadowing NS then these lingering feelings will ruin NS and it's legitimacy so to speak.

 

Sakura needs to have romantic development with Naruto to make NS convincing because quite frankly our pairing is going to happen only because of similarities to previous pairings, not because of romance between Naruto and Sakura. We really need the bench scene/forehead kiss to make NS convincing and at the same time would show other fanbases that NS is a great couple.

 

I'm sure just before the Naruto vs Sasuke fight there will be a break in the fighting and Sakura and Naruto will get romantic with each other (forehead kiss/bench scene and maybe more). TBH if kishi was to have NS to spend a night with each other before fighting Sasuke it wouldn't feel awkward or OOC or too extreme (although he wouldn't draw them in the act at all just a classic falling down to the ground followed by looking up into the night sky kinda thing, enough for us to know they are have sexy fun time).

 

We have to remember kushina fell in love with minato after his comment on her hair, so if NS is to happen a comment on her forehead is pretty much guaranteed.

 

Bottom line: Serious romantic development for NS is needed!!!!

Edited by HauntedCake, 01 June 2013 - 09:03 AM.

[Akashi]

 

You know, I agree some people are becoming really analytical about it. If you just put the negativity aside and read the past chapters in this volume sakura was just joking i think its pretty clear for now that shes happy to catch up with her team mates.

 

its really really tiring. 

 

kishi will resolve issue possibly in this volume he even said it in his interview sakura crush is bad and she needs to mature. just wait for it...

The sad thing is that about 80% (or even more) of the fandom are constantly viewing manga with the pairing goggles on. Yet they say that they're NARUTO fans first of all.. I often see arguments like "Kishi's damaging her character", "why is he making her do this, what about all the development she went though?" etc. I bet that those are just mere excuses of people who are pissed off about why he's not making NS canon already.

Guys, I sincerely respect and adore any one of you, but don't you think that you're sometimes overreacting a bit too much? I guess that Kishi would have done Sakura's character way more damage if he made her forget all the feeling she had for Sasuke and jump into Naruto's hands.. he needs to give his characters (even pairing-wise) a proper resolution. Sakura still has lingering feelings for Sasuke.. we can't deny it as well as the fact that she has growing feelings for Naruto. No reason to jump out of our pants every time Sakura and Sasuke appear on the same panel, or somehow interact. Same goes for Naruto and Hinata.

 

It's not like our complaints will affect the story, anyway... I know that Kishi is now the best author out there, but he's not as bad as we take him to be sometimes. It's just a good thing to take off pairing goggles more often and just enjoy the story. To cheer you guys up let me mention that right now NS has the best chance of happening than SS or NH.

 

Cheers~

Edited by Tauriel, 01 June 2013 - 09:39 AM.

[Canadian_DJ]

I agree with tauriel's point where people are just digging too much into things.

Kishi never trolled a fanbase, its the fanbase that trolls themselves.

Narusaku has never been trolled, simply because their development has never been ooc or rushed, its always perfect.

"N"H and SS was never even a pairing, its just not! Naruto never felt anything romantic towards hinata and never romantically approached her or interacted with her.It was just never there, hinata's confession has already been talked about by naruto-but he only told her shes strong, he reminded her of what she did-excluding the confession, why? Because its not important at all, hinatas over and done with. Thats it.

Ss was sakuras childish crush, which has been stated by kishi.Shes bound to get over them.

[ramenanmitsu]

The sad thing is that about 80% (or even more) of the fandom are constantly viewing manga with the pairing goggles on. Yet they say that they're NARUTO fans first of all.. I often see arguments like "Kishi's damaging her character", "why is he making her do this, what about all the development she went though?" etc. I bet that those are just mere excuses of people who are pissed off about why he's not making NS canon already.

Guys, I sincerely respect and adore any one of you, but don't you think that you're sometimes overreacting a bit too much? I guess that Kishi would have done Sakura's character way more damage if he made her forget all the feeling she had for Sasuke and jump into Naruto's hands.. he needs to give his characters (even pairing-wise) a proper resolution. Sakura still has lingering feelings for Sasuke.. we can't deny it as well as the fact that she has growing feelings for Naruto. No reason to jump out of our pants every time Sakura and Sasuke appear on the same panel, or somehow interact. Same goes for Naruto and Hinata.

 

It's not like our complaints will affect the story, anyway... I know that Kishi is now the best author out there, but he's not as bad as we take him to be sometimes. It's just a good thing to take off pairing goggles more often and just enjoy the story. To cheer you guys up let me mention that right now NS has the best chance of happening than SS or NH.

 

Cheers~

Agree with the bolded. It's like you took words out of my mouth. I even made a thread about it before. I feel annoyed that people can only judge her character based on pairings. 

 

Sakura in chapter 632 was awesome but this thread was not, because people were bashing her "she's still fangirling" or "If she still likes Sasuke the development was for nothing!" The major part of her development is to fight alongside with Sasuke and Naruto and to protect them. It's not about who she chooses. So deal with it

Edited by ramenanmitsu, 01 June 2013 - 09:57 AM.

[HauntedCake]

Agree with the bolded. It's like you took words out of my mouth. I even made a thread about it before. I feel annoyed that people can only judge her character based on pairings. 

 

Sakura in chapter 632 was awesome but this thread was not, because people were bashing her "she's still fangirling" or "If she still likes Sasuke the development was for nothing!" The major part of her development is to fight alongside with Sasuke and Naruto and to protect them. It's not about who she chooses. So deal with it

Going to disagree with you here..

 

You say Sakura's development is mostly to do with fighting with Sasuke and Naruto which i can agree with but it isn't a major part of her development at all.

 

90% of her entire development is romance based between Naruto and Sasuke. The other 10% is her wanting to be strong and be able to fight with them.

 

This is why who shes ends up with is very important because that single choice will reflect her development and her maturity. This is why Sakura gets a lot of hate/bashing because of her fangirling to sasuke because it shows regression/damage to her development that supposedly has her mature away from the bad choice Sasuke to the best choice Naruto.

 

Sakura and her mentaility is the only fuel to the pairing wars, we just fan the flames.

[ramenanmitsu]

On another note I had a good laugh at youtube today 

 

A username called Sakura Haruno was praising the soundtrack of Naruto commenting, "REPLAY NO JUTSU". 

But then another user replied to her saying, "Uselessness no jutsu". 

Then a username called Hatake Kakashi replied "kitten Off" to this said user.  

 

Damn. That was so cool Hatake Kakashi!!

Always a great teacher and protecting his students! 

 

Btw, I recommend you listen to this while re-reading the manga.

http://www.youtube.c...h?v=jRS7dLrm3Xg

[Dkey]

Agree with the bolded. It's like you took words out of my mouth. I even made a thread about it before. I feel annoyed that people can only judge her character based on pairings. 

 

Sakura in chapter 632 was awesome but this thread was not, because people were bashing her "she's still fangirling" or "If she still likes Sasuke the development was for nothing!" The major part of her development is to fight alongside with Sasuke and Naruto and to protect them. It's not about who she chooses. So deal with it

 

I agree with you ramenanmitsu. Actually her development concerns both boys.

Thou the romance part of her development is strong, yet I wonder now how much it really is. Don't we as fans consider it's bigger than it actually is?

[ramenanmitsu]

Going to disagree with you here..

 

You say Sakura's development is mostly to do with fighting with Sasuke and Naruto which i can agree with but it isn't a major part of her development at all.

 

90% of her entire development is romance based between Naruto and Sasuke. The other 10% is her wanting to be strong and be able to fight with them.

 

This is why who shes ends up with is very important because that single choice will reflect her development and her maturity. This is why Sakura gets a lot of hate/bashing because of her fangirling to sasuke because it shows regression/damage to her development that supposedly has her mature away from the bad choice Sasuke to the best choice Naruto.

 

Sakura and her mentaility is the only fuel to the pairing wars, we just fan the flames.

Are you serious? Is that how you measure her character development? A Pairing Fodder? That's just sad. It also reminds me of all the NH fans who bashed Naruto because he didn't choose "Hinata". They wouldn't have bashed his character in the first place if they even cared about his character. 

 

When was it ever stated at the end of part 1(before her growth) and whole of part 2 that her goal is to find the perfect husband?

It has been repeatedly implied throughout the manga that her goal is to protect and fight alongside Naruto and Sasuke. 

 

At the hospital scene, "Next time we're gonna do it together!" 

 

To Tsunade, "Please make me your disciple (while thinking of Naruto and Sasuke)"

 

At the Gaara Rescue Arc, "This time I am going to protect them!" 

 

Battling Sasori, "I promised Naruto....I said that this time....we'd be together....I swore that...this time I'd protect both of them"

 

At the most important times, she always reflects on her personal goal to "protect the both of them", and gains power from this. Chapter 632, showed her development and it was mainly focused on "Catching up with Naruto and Sasuke."

You do agree that this chapter showed her significant character development right? Or are you going to say, it's not development until she becomes Naruto's girlfriend? 

Edited by ramenanmitsu, 01 June 2013 - 10:31 AM.

[Sakamaki Izayoi]

The sad thing is that about 80% (or even more) of the fandom are constantly viewing manga with the pairing goggles on. Yet they say that they're NARUTO fans first of all.. I often see arguments like "Kishi's damaging her character", "why is he making her do this, what about all the development she went though?" etc. I bet that those are just mere excuses of people who are pissed off about why he's not making NS canon already.

Guys, I sincerely respect and adore any one of you, but don't you think that you're sometimes overreacting a bit too much? I guess that Kishi would have done Sakura's character way more damage if he made her forget all the feeling she had for Sasuke and jump into Naruto's hands.. he needs to give his characters (even pairing-wise) a proper resolution. Sakura still has lingering feelings for Sasuke.. we can't deny it as well as the fact that she has growing feelings for Naruto. No reason to jump out of our pants every time Sakura and Sasuke appear on the same panel, or somehow interact. Same goes for Naruto and Hinata.

 

It's not like our complaints will affect the story, anyway... I know that Kishi is now the best author out there, but he's not as bad as we take him to be sometimes. It's just a good thing to take off pairing goggles more often and just enjoy the story. To cheer you guys up let me mention that right now NS has the best chance of happening than SS or NH.

 

Cheers~

Actually it's most the case off, her not loving Sasuke anymore, she doenst loving him doesnt imply automantically NS canon, it's just that she doesnt have reasons to love him and also if she's alreayd a mature woman which is being seemed lately pick up all the development, the most reasonable scenario is her giving any pairings hints, and then later reveal if she loves Sasuke or embraced the idea of being Naruto's girlfriend, this is the best idea of maintaining the pairings suspense and at the same time doesnt damage her character.

Edited by Dαrkrєrsŧ, 01 June 2013 - 10:35 AM.

[rocci]

Not sure if this is the best place to ask this, but what could be the worst way to make her move on/realize her feelings for Naruto? No death.

Naruto confenssion should be enough.

[Sakamaki Izayoi]

Naruto confenssion should be enough.

Well it sort off happened, i sincerely have no idea of how this will work, i prefer accepting the idea that she's currently choosing Naruto, her interactions and how's she's being Naruto focused on the fight, kinda shows me sort of.
Naruto confessing will not have an huge impact due to the fact she already know about his feelings it's more easy to think that when Naruto is going to confess she might turn this on a comic moment saying "i already knew that   " and Naruto " SAIIIIIIII"

[Awes9]

I can't agree with Tauriel, Sakura's feelings for Sasuke are the first reason why she is hated, this has nothing to do with her loving Naruto or not. Most people would be fine with her not loving Naruto as long as she doesn't love Sasuke. Her feelings for Sasuke were understandable in part 1, I too went in this phase in a part of my life, but after the timeskip her feelings for him were simply frustrating and now after the various murder attempts it makes no sense and is illogical, and all of that for the sake of drama. Sakura's feelings are the biggest hindrance to her character it's as if she has no self respect when it comes to Sasuke and I really hate it.
The truth tough is Naruto is even worse, at least Sakura doubted Sasuke and gave up on him multiple times, we never see this process with Naruto he always believed in Sasuke whilst the dude never gave him any reason to and their so called friendship and rivalry is so forced it is not believable in any way shape or form especially compared to other like HashiMada. Naruto has better friends than Sasuke like Gaara or Shika yet he still clings to his nonsencical and inexistant friendship with Sasuke and there are no valuable reasons why, it's as if Naruto doesn't want a real friend, is he masochist ? Kishi has pushed it too far.
The whole Sasuke issue is ridiculous at this point but we have no other choice but to accept it.

Edited by Awes9, 01 June 2013 - 10:43 AM.