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[ninja_salamander]

it's too early to assume that NS is 100% dead. The movie will not have a impact on the manga.

I am not saying or assuming until now that NS is 100% dead, it can never be 100% dead until SS or NH becomes canon but I think the movie will have something to do with my thoughts for NS. Because even though it might not be in manga it doesn't seem right if kishi shows it in the movie that sakura still have romantic feelings for sasuke and wants him to be with her.

I mean lets say if somehow kishi makes Shikamaru and Ino canon in a movie (not this one since they will not be themselves) do u think it will be sensible that all the things in movie are forgotten and then kishi will make shikamaru and temari canon in his manga. I will seem it is total bull kitten. If he wants a pairing to happen then he should not let their feelings be shown towards someone else in a movie or any other such thing.

This is also the reason I consider NH quite dead because in the filler Naruto clearly stated he loves sakura and is ready to watch her from afar even if she doesn't chose him. I would have considered it 90-100% dead if kishi would have made that filler just like he is making the movie.

These are only my thoughts though. Already the chapters like 540 etc have made me think what sakura really wants and I really am doubting that NS can happen but I won't lose my hope until SS or NH somehow becomes canon and NS loses. I will really be waiting to see what kishi planned in this movie and I will really be hoping that sakura is shown to have feelings for naruto and not sasuke.

Edited by ninja_salamander, 26 June 2012 - 11:51 AM.

[kirabook]

But Sakura does still hold some kind of feelings for Sasuke. This movie could address that and this movie Sakura could finally shift of explore some of her feelings to better understand what she wants.

No, that doesn't really conflict with her feelings for Naruto as NS has been built up on a completely different and separate platform.

[Paptala]

No, that doesn't really conflict with her feelings for Naruto as NS has been built up on a completely different and separate platform.

Exactly - so many people tend to forget that Sakura's feelings for Sasuke and Sakura's feelings for Naruto are two entirely separate things. Regardless of how she feels for Sasuke, those feelings have no influence on whatever it is she feels for Naruto.

I wouldn't worry about 540 - that scene shows a huge difference, a negative one, in Sakura's perception/mental image of Sasuke (just look at her metal image of Sasuke right before she tries to kill him). It could serve as a simple reminder that Sakura is in love with Sasuke still after what he did at the summit, but considering her feelings for Sasuke were already brought up just last arc - it makes much more sense that Kishi used the fodder nin to bring up Sakura's feelings for Sasuke to show that they were affected negatively, and that this is the first step in her reevaluating those feelings for Sasuke.

Edited by Paptala, 26 June 2012 - 12:42 PM.

[kirabook]

Man, I type so badly when I'm half asleep. What I was trying to say at the begiiningof my post was that the movie could allow Sakura's feelings for Sasuke to shirt or at least let her explore her feelings. XD anything wrong now is autocorrects fault.

[Don-kun]

I am not saying or assuming until now that NS is 100% dead, it can never be 100% dead until SS or NH becomes canon but I think the movie will have something to do with my thoughts for NS. Because even though it might not be in manga it doesn't seem right if kishi shows it in the movie that sakura still have romantic feelings for sasuke and wants him to be with her.

I mean lets say if somehow kishi makes Shikamaru and Ino canon in a movie (not this one since they will not be themselves) do u think it will be sensible that all the things in movie are forgotten and then kishi will make shikamaru and temari canon in his manga. I will seem it is total bull kitten. If he wants a pairing to happen then he should not let their feelings be shown towards someone else in a movie or any other such thing.

This is also the reason I consider NH quite dead because in the filler Naruto clearly stated he loves sakura and is ready to watch her from afar even if she doesn't chose him. I would have considered it 90-100% dead if kishi would have made that filler just like he is making the movie.

These are only my thoughts though. Already the chapters like 540 etc have made me think what sakura really wants and I really am doubting that NS can happen but I won't lose my hope until SS or NH somehow becomes canon and NS loses. I will really be waiting to see what kishi planned in this movie and I will really be hoping that sakura is shown to have feelings for naruto and not sasuke.

I understand your point and it makes a lot of sense, but like I mentioned before in another Thread.
It depend a lot on how far in the Manga this Genjutsu will take place, if everyone remember until the chapter where Omoi and Karui attacked them Sakura still have feeling for him but she refuse to explain what he was to her, because as far she could remember she likes him but he already turn her down, that is why she couldn't explain what Sasuke is to her since she didn't want to admit her one side love and the fact that he already rejected her.
If the Genjutsu occurs before that time in the Manga we cannot be too harsh on her behavior only wait for her to mature, get annoyed with Sasuke or ask herself if that is what she really wanted when she dedicated herself to love him.

If the Genjutsu happens after Sai revelation, she would be with Naruto in this Genjutsu knowing that what they're seeing isn't real, clearly aware of Naruto's feeling for her but choose to ignore the fact that Naruto loves her and choose to fallow her fake crush. At that moment we could really ask ourself, what Kishi trying to tell us? Is this really fair for Naruto?

But again I really don't feel and Author will make a movie, with his two main character normal in the movie and all the rest of the character ooc if he didn't want to do something especial with Sakura and Naruto, why would he make Sasuke and Hinata ooc and make them very aggressive towards their prey? To show true love? Idont think so, to me is to push Naruto and Sakura to be more open and honest about how they really feel for each other, is rare for an Author to create two Fake character for his two main character to fall in love with when both of the main characters knows the AU friends aren't real.

The hidden purpose is to get Sakura to openly admit her feelings for Naruto by seeing how aggressive Hinata towards Naruto and for Naruto to grow a backbone and change that mentality that if she is happy then he is fine with that, he need to cut that out and fight for her.

If he did want to send a hidden message for SS, he would make the movie where Sakura is aware of Narutos feeling and Sasuke still haven his cold personality with Sakura still forcing to be with him, making and AU Sasuke to my belief is to show that he need to chance Sasuke personality to someone he isn't just for him to notice Sakura.

Edited by NS means logic, 26 June 2012 - 01:41 PM.

[Gravenimage]

I understand your point and it makes a lot of sense, but like I mentioned before in another Thread.
It depend a lot on how far in the Manga this Genjutsu will take place, if everyone remember until the chapter where Omoi and Karui attacked them Sakura still have feeling for him but she refuse to explain what he was to her, because as far she could remember she likes him but he already turn her down, that is why she couldn't explain what Sasuke is to her since she didn't want to admit her one side love and the fact that he already rejected her.
If the Genjutsu occurs before that time in the Manga we cannot be too harsh on her behavior only wait for her to mature, get annoyed with Sasuke or ask herself if that is what she really wanted when she dedicated herself to love him.

If the Genjutsu happens after Sai revelation, she would be with Naruto in this Genjutsu knowing that what they're seeing isn't real, clearly aware of Naruto's feeling for her but choose to ignore the fact that Naruto loves her and choose to fallow her fake crush. At that moment we could really ask ourself, what Kishi trying to tell us? Is this really fair for Naruto?

But again I really don't feel and Author will make a movie, with his two main character normal in the movie and all the rest of the character ooc if he didn't want to do something especial with Sakura and Naruto, why would he make Sasuke and Hinata ooc and make them very aggressive towards their prey? To show true love? Idont think so, to me is to push Naruto and Sakura to be more open and honest about how they really feel for each other, is rare for an Author to create two Fake character for his two main character to fall in love with when both of the main characters knows the AU friends aren't real.

The hidden purpose is to get Sakura to openly admit her feelings for Naruto by seeing how aggressive Hinata towards Naruto and for Naruto to grow a backbone and change that mentality that if she is happy then he is fine with that, he need to cut that out and fight for her.

If he did want to send a hidden message for SS, he would make the movie where Sakura is aware of Narutos feeling and Sasuke still haven his cold personality with Sakura still forcing to be with him, making and AU Sasuke to my belief is to show that he need to chance Sasuke personality to someone he isn't just for him to notice Sakura.

You have taken the words right out of my mouth I believe this is the point of Kishi bringing the genjutsu world when it comes to Naruto and Sakura's relationship or more precise their feelings for the other. That's why genjutsu Sasuke and genjutsu Hinata will play the roles to make them realize what they truly want and who they truly love (although this will have more impact on Sakura because we already know Naruto loves her very much and the lengths he's willing to go to make her happy).

Edited by Gravenimage, 26 June 2012 - 02:06 PM.

[kirabook]

I hate to said it, but I dont think well get an actual confession from Sakura in this movie, not a complete denial of the real Sasuke. what will happen though is that Sakura will realize she doesn't like this Sasuke at all. And maybe If Sasuke returned the feelings of love and acted more like this Au Sasuke, she wouldn't like that either.

She might realize she doesn't love Sasuke as much as she thought, or that she would rather Sasuke not return her feelings at all, whatever feelings she thought she had anyway.

But even this little theory of mine might be too far fetched. This is a movie, I just don't think Kissing will hint that much unless he plans to have something happen mangawise which would make Sakuras theorized rejection of Au Sasuke and real Sasuke already a well known fact. Meaning that she finally got over Sasuke mangawise before this movie is to be released.

*how in the world does Sakura end up as Saturated?! Please, autocorrect turn off. >.>*

Edited by kirabook, 26 June 2012 - 02:09 PM.

[Don-kun]

I hate to said it, but I dont think well get an actual confession from Sakura in this movie, not a complete denial of the real Sasuke. what will happen though is that Sakura will realize she doesn't like this Sasuke at all. And maybe If Sasuke returned the feelings of love and acted more like this Au Sasuke, she wouldn't like that either.

She might realize she doesn't love Sasuke as much as she thought, or that she would rather Sasuke not return her feelings at all, whatever feelings she thought she had anyway.

But even this little theory of mine might be too far fetched. This is a movie, I just don't think Kissing will hint that much unless he plans to have something happen mangawise which would make Sakuras theorized rejection of Au Sasuke and real Sasuke already a well known fact. Meaning that she finally got over Sasuke mangawise before this movie is to be released.

*how in the world does Sakura end up as Saturated?! Please, autocorrect turn off. >.>*

Come on Kira, I don't think anyone imply here that Sakura will confess to Naruto in this movie, that will be too drastic. Admitting how you feel about someone is far different from confessing your feelings. Gating extremely jealous (this Hinata may force that part of her again), admitting to everyone that now Naruto means a lot more to her, accepting that even with a good Sasuke she is far more happy around Naruto or showing how hurt she feels when she sees Naruto focusing on another girl, see she didn't use any confession only accepts what she really feels for the blond.

Edited by NS means logic, 26 June 2012 - 02:46 PM.

[AzureWaters]

Its difficult to tell what she'll think of this AU Sasuke. So far, manga wise, Sakura still has feelings left for the character. A part of me thinks she'll enjoy having his attentions for awhile, but will come to her senses as the movie progresses.

I'm also cautious on the possibility that she may only hesitate because that wouldn't be the real Sasuke attempting to have her. Its likely that there won't be a complete rejection on Sakura's part, and even then the reason may not necessarily be romantically linked to Naruto.

[Don-kun]

Its difficult to tell what she'll think of this AU Sasuke. So far, manga wise, Sakura still has feelings left for the character. A part of me thinks she'll enjoy having his attentions for awhile, but will come to her senses as the movie progresses.

I'm also cautious on the possibility that she may only hesitate because that wouldn't be the real Sasuke attempting to have her. Its likely that there won't be a complete rejection on Sakura's part, and even then the reason may not necessarily be romantically linked to Naruto.

I accept your view as well, but there is something you are missing. The movie is created by Kishi everything in this movie will be on Kishimoto imspiration, he is the one writing the Manga so by him doing what you say, will be a clear message that Sakura doesn't like this Sasuke she likes the real Sasuke, if Sakura reject AU Sasuke only because she realized that the real Sasuke is who she truly loves, again it's just a movie but the person who is writing the scrip for this movie is Kishimoto not Peirrot that are mostly Hinata fanboys.

The hidden message is from the movie would be SS has future couple after his redemption, if Sakura let go the idea of the fake Sasuke just because she really loves the real Sasuke that implys SS.

Now would it be fair to keep Naruto anguishing over a girl that doesn't love him after all they being through? Don't you think that would only give NH fanbase more reason to keep increasing and more people to wish Naruto to forget Sakura. Why will it be fear for Somaone to keep someone that doesn't love you when there is someone like Hinata.
The reason why many believe in NS is because at this point many of us feel that Sakura still hold feeling for Sasuke, but her feeling for Naruto are far stronger than her feeling for Sasuke ever was.
Kishi confirming her true feelings for the real Sasuke is the same as saying that the NS will never happen.


Again this is just a movie it doesn't mean anything, but do not ignore that this will be 100% of Kishi input and how he feels about his characters in other words Author intent, this isn't the Anime team or Hinata fanboys this is KISHIMOTO.

Edited by NS means logic, 26 June 2012 - 06:25 PM.

[Branden]

Like I said, I do respect that you want Sakura to get over Sasuke 100%, just as much I agree with NS Means Logic statement that Sakura does not need a good Sasuke to choose Naruto over him. The problem lies in all the copy post and writing your comments in between that gave me the notion that you was being ridicule and imprudent that user's posts. If that's the case, it's no wander why you received a whip lash, which cracked me up. And ironically, that us NS fans are on the same page, and you're not. Although, I think its the negative opinion you have over NS, especially Sakura. If I'm wrong. Care to enlighten me?

your still completely ignorant to the post I made multiple times explaining myself.... here is one of those.

"It always turns out like Branden vs Narusaku user because I am trying to make every single view and argument get put on here, and whether I agree with it or not I will argue it for the sake of proving one side of the argument even further. I mean really, I didn't join just to agree with everyone, and the variety of opinions I get out of arguments is the reason why I support things I don't actually believe. Every argument deserves to have someone support it and if nobody here does then I have to make things interesting and to learn more about the topic myself. Think of it as an information gathering method that also prevents thread stalling."

Further more I made a post telling him which page we discussed that topic on as well as my view on it. I could have just wrote up a new rant but I don't need to since we already have a lot of views on it at the page I listed. If anything I'm being much more helpful then you are (raging doesn't help).

[pharix]

*how in the world does Sakura end up as Saturated?! Please, autocorrect turn off. >.>*

you missed "This is a movie, I just don't think Kissing will hint that much"

[kirabook]

you missed "This is a movie, I just don't think Kissing will hint that much"

It's not my fault.

[MangaReader]

Kishi makes it really hard to pin point excatly who likes who. As of recent, Naruto hasn't had feelings for anyone, Sasuke is still on his homicidal rampage(though Itachi might have calmed down some of it) and Sakura and Hinata seem to switch their views every time. It's stuff like this that gets fan pairings pissed at each other and provokes wars more deadly then the one being fought in the manga XD. This upcoming movie really isn't helping the cause either. Kishi has always been a master a trolling the fan base, but I really hope he does choose a final pairing, otherwise everyone is screwed.

[Konoha'sCrimsonFox]

your still completely ignorant to the post I made multiple times explaining myself.... here is one of those.

"It always turns out like Branden vs Narusaku user because I am trying to make every single view and argument get put on here, and whether I agree with it or not I will argue it for the sake of proving one side of the argument even further. I mean really, I didn't join just to agree with everyone, and the variety of opinions I get out of arguments is the reason why I support things I don't actually believe. Every argument deserves to have someone support it and if nobody here does then I have to make things interesting and to learn more about the topic myself. Think of it as an information gathering method that also prevents thread stalling."

Further more I made a post telling him which page we discussed that topic on as well as my view on it. I could have just wrote up a new rant but I don't need to since we already have a lot of views on it at the page I listed. If anything I'm being much more helpful then you are (raging doesn't help).

Whatever sooths your needs, lad.

[ninja_salamander]

If he did want to send a hidden message for SS, he would make the movie where Sakura is aware of Narutos feeling and Sasuke still haven his cold personality with Sakura still forcing to be with him, making and AU Sasuke to my belief is to show that he need to chance Sasuke personality to someone he isn't just for him to notice Sakura.

Well because previous movie was after naruto fought pain I think this is surely after karui and other 2 ninjas asked sakura what sasuke is to her. So i think it will really be a movie where sakura knows how naruto feels about her but nothing can be said for sure. as for making sasuke OOC I think it was necessary because if he would have given the same sasuke then he would have kind of shown us how his manga will end wouldn't he.

I am just saying if she is shown to like sasuke in this movie it will tell me two things

1) she just like Sasuke because of his looks
2) She doesn't deserve o be with Naruto

If she is shown to think that the sasuke is different and she wants the old sasuke it will mean

1) Sakura still loves sasuke for who he is
2) again she doesn't deserve to be with Naruto at all and Naruto shouldn't hold any selfless feelings for her

If she is shown to have feelings for Naruto and try to run away from this sasuke and also somehow doesn't try remembering the real sasuke(this point I believe has very less chances to happen considering how sakura's feelings have been uptil now) it will show

1) that she has for sure developed romantic feelings for Naruto
2) She deserves Naruto as much as any other person does.

[Konoha'sCrimsonFox]

Well because previous movie was after naruto fought pain I think this is surely after karui and other 2 ninjas asked sakura what sasuke is to her. So i think it will really be a movie where sakura knows how naruto feels about her but nothing can be said for sure. as for making sasuke OOC I think it was necessary because if he would have given the same sasuke then he would have kind of shown us how his manga will end wouldn't he.

I am just saying if she is shown to like sasuke in this movie it will tell me two things

1) she just like Sasuke because of his looks
2) She doesn't deserve o be with Naruto

If she is shown to think that the sasuke is different and she wants the old sasuke it will mean

1) Sakura still loves sasuke for who he is
2) again she doesn't deserve to be with Naruto at all and Naruto shouldn't hold any selfless feelings for her

If she is shown to have feelings for Naruto and try to run away from this sasuke and also somehow doesn't try remembering the real sasuke(this point I believe has very less chances to happen considering how sakura's feelings have been uptil now) it will show

1) that she has for sure developed romantic feelings for Naruto
2) She deserves Naruto as much as any other person does.

Or that we might see a Sasu/Hina in Kishi's work for the very first time. Why not. Both Sasuke and Hinata's characters are playboy and playgirl. Makes since that there're pair up in the movie.

[Paptala]

Its difficult to tell what she'll think of this AU Sasuke. So far, manga wise, Sakura still has feelings left for the character. A part of me thinks she'll enjoy having his attentions for awhile, but will come to her senses as the movie progresses.

I'm also cautious on the possibility that she may only hesitate because that wouldn't be the real Sasuke attempting to have her. Its likely that there won't be a complete rejection on Sakura's part, and even then the reason may not necessarily be romantically linked to Naruto.

Yes, this seems like a likely route that the movie will take.

Kishi makes it really hard to pin point excatly who likes who. As of recent, Naruto hasn't had feelings for anyone, Sasuke is still on his homicidal rampage(though Itachi might have calmed down some of it) and Sakura and Hinata seem to switch their views every time. It's stuff like this that gets fan pairings pissed at each other and provokes wars more deadly then the one being fought in the manga XD. This upcoming movie really isn't helping the cause either. Kishi has always been a master a trolling the fan base, but I really hope he does choose a final pairing, otherwise everyone is screwed.

Well, I know if I ever made a series with a love triangle (quad?), then I would have so much fun trolling the pairings before making one canon in the end

But yea, Kishi is milking the pairing wars for all they are worth (or at least his editors are pushing him to do so). Still, if you look over the series as a whole, there have been consistencies:

(1) Sasuke never showed any non-platonic feelings for Sakura
(2) Naruto never showed any non-platonic feelings for Hinata
(3) Sakura has shown non-platonic feelings for Naruto
(4) Sakura has consistently been prioritizing Naruto over Sasuke since the POAL (recall that she was already willing to give up on rescuing Sasuke after seeing Naruto in the hospital after VOTE).
(5) Sakura's feelings for Naruto HAVE NOT been confirmed as completely platonic (they've been danced around or at other times completely avoided); only her feelings for Sasuke have been focused on, and the last time was in a decidedly negative light.

The story as a whole this far really does support NaruSaku way more than the other two pairings.

[Gravenimage]

Yes, this seems like a likely route that the movie will take.

Well, I know if I ever made a series with a love triangle (quad?), then I would have so much fun trolling the pairings before making one canon in the end

But yea, Kishi is milking the pairing wars for all they are worth (or at least his editors are pushing him to do so). Still, if you look over the series as a whole, there have been consistencies:

(1) Sasuke never showed any non-platonic feelings for Sakura
(2) Naruto never showed any non-platonic feelings for Hinata
(3) Sakura has shown non-platonic feelings for Naruto
(4) Sakura has consistently been prioritizing Naruto over Sasuke since the POAL (recall that she was already willing to give up on rescuing Sasuke after seeing Naruto in the hospital after VOTE).
(5) Sakura's feelings for Naruto HAVE NOT been confirmed as completely platonic (they've been danced around or at other times completely avoided); only her feelings for Sasuke have been focused on, and the last time was in a decidedly negative light.

The story as a whole this far really does support NaruSaku way more than the other two pairings.

^THIS!

[kirabook]

I still don't like the "This character doesn't deserve that character because of this."

It's not about who deserves whom, it's about what has happened throughout their relationship and where they stand.

Sakura's relationship with Naruto has nothing to do with Sasuke. Naruto and Sakura has had their own little relationship of a sort slowly building up in part 1 and soon picking up a lot of speed in part 2. Sakura did not suddenly turn to Naruto for love when Sasuke left and Naruto did not step forward in attempts to fill Sakura's gaping heart with his love either. Their relationship has always been steady and slowly growing. Honestly, the biggest mutual event that they have had in their relationship is Sakura's confession. Even then, they were both equals. -I still quite enjoyed Naruto actually arguing with her, just seems so... normal for a couple. -

So what if Sakura still holds feelings for Sasuke. She always has and that has not affected her relationship with Naruto other than thinking his a uncool or annoying because she assumed he was trying to get in her way. -which we all know she realized wasn't the case-

No one is perfect, but that does not mean you suddenly don't deserve something because of a feeling you have. Truly, human emotions are not controllable, not the ones like sadness, happiness, regret, shame, and sometimes even love/attraction. You're fooling yourself to think anyone is able to put their feelings on a schedule and decide when they should feel one thing and when they should feel another.

No, it's not a good thing that Sakura may have feelings for Sasuke after everything, even she must realize this. But at the same time, she cannot be faulted or blamed for it and barred from something she has contributed to, that being her relationship with Naruto.

If this "deserving" thing were to be applied to everything, then Naruto doesn't deserve to have Sakura because man, he's way too selfless and he's almost willing to give her up to another guy. Hinata doesn't deserve Naruto because she's been too shy to try and have a normal relationship with him. Sai doesn't deserve anyone because he's too blunt. Lee doesn't deserve his hair style because Gai style is a curse. Etc. Etc.