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[PhenixElite]

Sorry, I have nothing against you and I feel better reading your optimistic posts but I have to point out. You telling people that we should be satisfied with Salura because Narusaku is gonna happen is missing the point. Sakura's development =/= Narusaku.
People are unsatisfied with Sakura right now BECAUSE Kishi focuses on her developing relationship/support towards Naruto. Narusaku being canon isn't going to solve that problem.
Sakura fans want her to have development outside of Naruto. We don't like Kishi portraying her like his wife who will heal him, talk for him, and support him like breathing air. She is the member of team seven. She should have her own dream, her own goal, and her own story that doesn't relate with Naruto. We want her to be portrayed as a shinobi of team seven, disciple of the fifth Hokage, and the strongest kunoichi who can be a master player in her own right, not as some trophy wife to a guy who is chasing the ass of his long lost 'friend'. The beginning of part two Kishi made us believe that that is going to happen (Kakashi's comment, Chiyo's comment, and Sakura's independency from her teammates). People are angry and frustrated because Kishi is not following what he started and left us hanging for like what? Several years? And certainly after all this waiting we don't want Sakura's development to end up being Naruto Uzumaki's wife, we want Haruno Sakura the strongest medic-nin and one of the Sannin.

And why are you guys posting that in the NARUSAKU debathe thread then?

[ramenanmitsu]

And why are you guys posting that in the NARUSAKU debathe thread then?

Don't ask me. I have no idea how this all started anyways.

As for me, I'm just replying to posts that I find of interest.
Well, seeing that my post involves Narusaku, it's not out of topic so I have no reason to refrain from posting.

Edited by ramenanmitsu, 17 April 2014 - 05:10 PM.

[PhenixElite]

Don't ask me. I have no idea how this all started anyways.

As for me, I'm just replying to posts that I find of interest.
Well, seeing that my post involves Narusaku, it's not out of topic so I have no reason to refrain from posting.

Well, you guys complain about him binding your Sakura whining to NaruSaku. But its logical for him to asume that since your all complaining about Sakura in the wrong thread.

[Inferno180]

eh nevermind, my posts then, slow day, too much studying breaks the mind.

[narusaku256]

Well if you're right Naruto and Sakura would be the best medic team ever.  

They are already the best pairing in every sense ^_^ I won't mind them becoming the best medic team as well ^_^
@Otaru nice posts. Agree with most of the points
As for those stating about Sakura's development, well I won't force my ideas on you guys, but I am happy with how Sakura is handled. Ofcourse some action for her would do no bad, but her development is not that unsatisfactory. She has played a role next to major one in this war. I am happy the way she is handled in this war.

[Shadow Wolf]

@Darkrest: Is not about being negative/positive/neutral, but more about people putting down other people's opinions. Take a look at one of the responses that you made to me recently: You keep using the word fallacy" like you know the meaning or it.

How did you think I feel when you mentioned that? You telling me that I'm using words without knowing what they mean makes me feel like you're trying to put down my opinion. Bear in mind that I haven't been here in months and that I used said word in my post once, so why even say that? To conclude, I used the word fallacy because I believe that said statement had poor reasoning, which is exactly what fallacy means.

And this is just an example of what's been going on lately around the forums. That, and jumping to conclusions are some of the most common things which lead to people feeling like other are being so pessimistic in their comments. I'm pretty sure Inferno didn't mean that people should not express themselves. However, this is a NaruSaku forum, so it should be obvious that people will come here to keep their hopes for NS strong and to see optimism of course. For example: how would you feel if you're a fan of a certain videogame and I say that you're delusional on your optimism because to me, said game sucks? Yeah, that's the feeling people get here when others put down Sakura and fellow member's opinions.

I won't ask people not to be negative, but more to be polite when expressing themselves. Again, you can be a Naruto fan and not feel good about Sakura's development, but be polite and try not to jump to conclusions when reading other people's posts. And of course, bear in mind that this is, again, an NS forum so people will not feel happy if you try to put down a character they like.

Anyway, my two cents for this topic regarding Sakura are the fact that Kishi admitted to having trouble handling female characters. Even so, Sakura has been, among female characters, one of the most prominent ones. Sure, I want to see more of her, which is why I'm looking forward to the upcoming chapters. Second, Sakura doesn't have any hereditary power or background. Yet her accomplishments have made her a pretty powerful normal girl. Finally, Kishi is a man of details, so I would not be surprised if we see more of Sakura in the future. Anyway, I'm not asking you guys to be positive all the time, but the manga isn't over, so let's enjoy the ride while we get there. :-)

Edited by Shadow Wolf, 17 April 2014 - 06:05 PM.

[TacticalFox88]

So...essentially, I think Sakura was ultimately brought to keep Naruto alive for two reasons

 

1) To show that she supports Naruto in his bid for Hokage not giving a single kitten about Sasuke

 

2) To answer Obito's question

[luffyq1]

Well, you guys complain about him binding your Sakura whining to NaruSaku. But its logical for him to asume that since your all complaining about Sakura in the wrong thread.

I apologize for complaining, I didn't mean to upset you. But isn't this the NaruSaku debate thread? Don't we have the right to voice our opinion, be it negative or positive? I hope this doesn't come as a shock to you, but some of us actually value Sakura over NS. So much so that if I had the option of having Sakura get 4 more big fights, development outside of the pairings and much more powerups, I'd take that over having NS become canon without a second thought. 

 

If this is the wrong thread to complain about, then please point us in the right direction. We constantly talk about Hinata, NH, SS, SK and their fanbase. If anything is in the wrong thread, wouldn't that be?

 

Once again, I apologize for complaining.

[PhenixElite]

I apologize for complaining, I didn't mean to upset you. But isn't this the NaruSaku debate thread? Don't we have the right to voice our opinion, be it negative or positive? I hope this doesn't come as a shock to you, but some of us actually value Sakura over NS. So much so that if I had the option of having Sakura get 4 more big fights, development outside of the pairings and much more powerups, I'd take that over having NS become canon without a second thought. 

 

If this is the wrong thread to complain about, then please point us in the right direction. We constantly talk about Hinata, NH, SS, SK and their fanbase. If anything is in the wrong thread, wouldn't that be?

 

Once again, I apologize for complaining.

Yes this is the NS debathe thread and thats why its getting annoying to see poeple in here complaining about kishis writing and developing a heroine. Why dont you open up a thread called "Why Kishi is a bad writer" so this thread stops getting spammed with this crap.

[Sakamaki Izayoi]

And why are you guys posting that in the NARUSAKU debathe thread then?

Because it's a general debate thread, the "NARUSAKU" debate thread is only in it's name, i've seen so far even SasuKarin, NaruSasu,KakaObi, and Kakashi being debated here and there was no problem.
Even Naruto healing powers in page 853.
I never see this thread talking exclusively of NS.

@Darkrest: Is not about being negative/positive/neutral, but more about people putting down other people's opinions. Take a look at one of the responses that you made to me recently: You keep using the word fallacy" like you know the meaning or it.

How did you think I feel when you mentioned that? You telling me that I'm using words without knowing what they mean makes me feel like you're trying to put down my opinion. Bear in mind that I haven't been here in months and that I used said word in my post once, so why even say that? To conclude, I used the word fallacy because I believe that said statement had poor reasoning, which is exactly what fallacy means.

I dont remember what i expressed on that post or what i was refering, but i'm tired of debating about the subtopic of the fake confession which i believe might have been there.

Edited by Dαrkrєrsŧ, 17 April 2014 - 06:20 PM.

[PhenixElite]

Because it's a general debate thread, the "NARUSAKU" debate thread is only in it's name, i've seen so far even SasuKarin, NaruSasu,KakaObi, and Kakashi being debated here and there was no problem.
Even Naruto healing powers in page 853.
I never see this thread talking exclusively of NS.

What is NAruto general then?

Also noone complains if theres someone discussing something else for a day but the same negativ crap every day .... yeah.

Edited by PhenixElite, 17 April 2014 - 06:22 PM.

[BakeNeko-Chan]

Yes this is the NS debathe thread and thats why its getting annoying to see poeple in here complaining about kishis writing and developing a heroine. Why dont you open up a thread called "Why Kishi is a bad writer" so this thread stops getting spammed with this crap.

 

Wow, that is seriously uncalled for. There's been discussion about people feeling unwelcome here because they are "too positive", but now people are made to feel unwelcome because they are "too negative" because they are "whining and complaining".

[Sakamaki Izayoi]

What is NAruto general then?
Also noone complains if theres someone discussing something else for a day but the same crap every day .... yeah.

"Not the same thing every day"
First sometimes we talk about Naruto story in general, Naruto's character roles, Sakura character, Sasuke's character, and even NaruSaku's flaws, chapter 540, Sakura not trusting Sasuke, The fake Confession, Sakura being equal to Kushina, talking about NH not happening, SS dead, the current chapters, Naruto healing powers and etc...

I think we can all agree that we are discussing about the same topics every day regardless of being "positive" or "negative".
 

Wow, that is seriously uncalled for. There's been discussion about people feeling unwelcome here because they are "too positive", but now people are made to feel unwelcome because they are "too negative" because they are "whining and complaining".

If i remember it was on 615.

Edited by Dαrkrєrsŧ, 17 April 2014 - 06:27 PM.

[PhenixElite]

"Not the same thing every day"
First sometimes we talk about Naruto story in general, Naruto's character roles, Sakura character, Sasuke's character, and even NaruSaku's flaws, chapter 540, Sakura not trusting Sasuke, The fake Confession, Sakura being equal to Kushina, talking about NH not happening, SS dead, the current chapters, Naruto healing powers and etc...

I think we can all agree that we are discussing about the same topics every day regardless of being "positive" or "negative".
 
If i remember it was on 615.

Pls, the main discussion in here for the last few days is how bad of a writer kishi is.
 
@BakeNeko-Chan:

It wouldnt be a problem if people would complain about NS in the NS thread but it is that they cant stop complaining about Kishis style of developing a heroine in here.

[Sakamaki Izayoi]

Pls, the main discussion in here for the last few days is how bad of a writer kishi is.

Not goona keep it further but that happened mostly on the chapter threads, and with a reason, Kishi has done a lot of inconsistences lately with the manga, it all started three weeks ago with Naruto and Sasuke.
And the Sakura's part started after Naruto awakened, and remember it all began with people complaining that Naruto didnt thanked Sakura after he woke up and putting Sakura and Karin side by side in terms of relevance.
I expect this topic to stop a bit because next chapters will be about fighting.

Edited by Dαrkrєrsŧ, 17 April 2014 - 06:44 PM.

[narusaku256]

Okay guys, peace out now. We have new members joining this forum everyday. Let us not make them feel unwelcome here, when we actually say there are nice people here. Sakura's development and flaws are all in Kishi's hands. How much ever we break our head on it, its not going to change what Kishi wrote/will write. Voicing your opinions is good. But there's a way to go about doing that. No offence anyone. Don't we like NS inspite of its flaws? So why complain when we can enjoy it the way it is? Yes, there are many things Kishi could've added, but did it ruin the manga, or did someone just drop it because they could not see the development they wanted? Its Kishi's manga and not ours. Let's just drop the 'what could Kishi do' stuff, and enjoy the manga and NS for what it is. Besides, the things are not going to change as I stated before. So why spoil the air of this forum and make it explosive? Let's keep it warm, and let everyone enjoy the 'debate'.

Edited by narusaku256, 17 April 2014 - 06:49 PM.

[PhenixElite]

Not goona keep it further but that happened on the chapter threads, and with a reason, Kishi has done a lot of inconsistences lately with the manga, it all started three weeks ago with Naruto and Sasuke.
And the Sakura's part started after Naruto awakened, and remember it all began with people complaining that Naruto didnt thanked Sakura after he woke up and putting Sakura and Karin side by side in terms of relevance.
I expect this topic to stop a bit because next chapters will be about fighting.

That maybe your opinioin mine for sure not. 

I dont have a problem with people beeing unhappy about narutos awaking scene, ...even though i dont see it the same way, i dont have any worries about the awakening scene.

But all that turning into this complaining for days about Sakura beeing badly developed and how much of a bad writer Kishimoto is, is getting kind of boring.

If you want continue to do it for the next months, do it. But i dont understand why you have to do it in the NS debathe thread.

[Luna]

A bit off topic but I don't see what is wrong with talking about Sakura's development at all but complaining all the time about how bad developed she is isn't going to solve anything and it's ok to point out flaws of the story but keep on being negative affects other members of this forum as well. Then there are some people who tend to be very condescending in their post and I will not mention names and it's why I don't comment much anyways.

Anyways, Sakura is a support character now and the story has always revolved around Naruto and Sasuke and nothing is going to change that we should be at least grateful that she might actually get some development soon.

[Sakamaki Izayoi]

That maybe your opinioin mine for sure not. 
I dont have a problem with people beeing unhappy about narutos awaking scene, ...even though i dont see it the same way, i dont have any worries about the awakening scene.
But all that turning into this complaining for days about Sakura beeing badly developed and how much of a bad writer Kishimoto is, is getting kind of boring.
If you want continue to do it for the next months, do it. But i dont understand why you have to do it in the NS debathe thread.

The same happened on 615 remember how a lot of people were complaining about users making rants that NS was dead and KIshi betrayed us.
About the awakening, i didnt noted it, i liked the chapter because of Naruto's powerup.
Also and the point is, it's not a debate thread to talk exclusively about NS, people talk about literally everything on this thread, including NH, if you tell me that a person cant express it's opinion on this thread then i believe you should agree that we should not talk about Naruto's healing powers here, neither about NH, SS, SasuKarin, Gai's powers, Rock Lee, Kakashi and Obito, Rin and etc...

Edited by Dαrkrєrsŧ, 17 April 2014 - 06:59 PM.

[sushi.]

No one here should get to decide the standard of positive/negative. What is happening with Sakura's character is a not a good thing, so I will not only 'look on the bright side of things"

 

Being positive/negative is hardly the problem here. A really well thought out post might get shoved aside if it contains too much of this negativity, and people disagree with where you cross the line. The posts that gets labeled as negative here is actually the ones I agree most with. Sakura's character is not doing well right now, and they seem to grasp the point. I tried to be positive.

Edited by sushi., 18 April 2014 - 12:41 AM.