Am I the only one here who thought that Naruto looked completely bad ass in his new avatar?
NOPE!!! He looked completely bad ass!!!!

Posted 16 April 2014 - 09:04 AM
Am I the only one here who thought that Naruto looked completely bad ass in his new avatar?
Posted 16 April 2014 - 09:36 AM
Lol I just gotta point out, every time Sakura gets a panel, she looks like she's about to die from stress, and she's just too tired to have much emotion right now.
Posted 16 April 2014 - 12:26 PM
Posted 16 April 2014 - 02:39 PM
Sakura is irrelevant to the plot. I don't like it either, but that's what Kishi is writing.
You're so wrong about that.
Question: If Sakura had not made such an emotional plea to Naruto to bring Sasuke back -- if Naruto's love for Sakura had not been so strong that he would do anything for her -- would Naruto have pursued Sasuke with the same determination? Would Part I Naruto have committed himself heart, body, and soul to returning Sasuke based on his own feelings alone?
If you think strictly about the way Part I was written, it is Sakura who makes the chase after and retrieval of Sasuke of such paramount importance to Naruto. There was also some pressure from Kakashi to get Sasuke to turn away from darkness and stay home, but after trying a number of times would Konoha have given up on Sasuke -- Naruto included?
Of course now, in retrospect, we would be forced to say that Naruto and Sasuke were locked in a reincarnation vortex and Naruto would have chased him no matter what, even if he didn't understand why, but that wasn't our understanding as we progressed through Part I and into Shippuuden.
In fact, we are under the assumption that Naruto is doggedly pursuing Sasuke because of his Promise of a Lifetime to Sakura right up until the aftermath of her confession. Naruto admits to Sakura that whether the promise he made to her was in force or not, he now wants to save Sasuke for himself.
I think Sasuke might have been someone that Naruto always remembered, and would have planned to encounter again, but I am not convinced Naruto would have been as focused on Sasuke if he had not started on the quest for Sakura's sake.
Y/N?
I agree so much with this.
You're saying, GoogleIsMyFriend, that Sakura isn't relevant to the plot. But what is the plot of this manga for you ? Is this only about Madara and fights ?
The big plot is more of FRIENDSHIP / BROTHERHOOD / LOVE than Madara or Pain, or Akatsuki or anything. Because the ultimate goal, peace in the world begins with friendship, brotherhood and love. With understanding each other.
There is another type of plot, IMO, and I will call it 'moving plot'. This plot has changed many times since the beginning, from chuunin exams to bringing Sasuke mission, then from Pain to Madara, or anything else.
This kind of manga exists to give a lesson of life at the end. To me the plot of this manga, the BIG PLOT is all about relationship with others.
Sakura is at the centre of this, just like Naruto and Sasuke.
Since the beginning, there is relationship issue between her, Naruto and Sasuke.
She is shouldering Naruto's dream.
She triggered many of Naruto's growing up.
She is the strong woman behind Naruto.
One day, Naruto may probably tell her that she made him Hokage, just like Minato said to Kushina.
Because it's the truth.
Like Haku said, he became really strong while protecting her, because he loves her.
His love for her made him grown.
She saved his life. It's true she didn't did it alone, but why would that made her irrelevant ?
Is Naruto irrelevant because Sasuke is helping him ?
Yes she's not really involved in Madara's story, but why would we say she's not relevant to the so called 'plot' from that ? What is this manga's 'plot' ?
In fact, you're saying she's not relevant to the plot because kishi did not make her fight that much I guess. Well that doesn't put her outside the plot at all.
Moreover, she did take a big place in all this war. She's pretty relevant. She lectured the alliance and made them stood up against a deadly attack. She talked in place of Naruto. She healed and protected everyone while Tsunade wasn't here. Without her, so much people, including Naruto, would be dead right now. Yes Obito saved Naruto, but Sakura too. Yes Naruto saved Shikamaru and what ? Why would the fact that she didn't do it alone would make her irrelevant to the plot ? Hinata is irrelevant to the plot.
You said Sakura is pairing fodder. I'm sorry but the pairing fodder is Hinata.
I really don't get it.
It's true I would rather she healed Shika all alone, but the fact that Naruto saved him doesn't make Sakura an outsider...
Edited by Otaru, 16 April 2014 - 03:18 PM.
Posted 16 April 2014 - 04:54 PM
I agree! I think for someone to be relevant to the main plot, its not really necessary for someone to fight against the opponent. She is relevant to the plot in her own unique way and that is healing the alliance, increasing their morale and most importantly literally being the backbone of Naruto in this war. Yes, she maybe not as powerful as Naruto or Sasuke, but she has healed the alliance, raised their morale and most of all healed Naruto multiple times, and admit it or not, if any of the above things were not to happen, they would be in even worst situation right now! Infact Naruto would be dead by now. She is not irrelevant to the plot, but infact, she is important to the plot in her own way. Naruto and (I hate to mention it) Sasuke are handling things at the front and Sakura at the back, in a way.
You're so wrong about that.
I agree so much with this.
You're saying, GoogleIsMyFriend, that Sakura isn't relevant to the plot. But what is the plot of this manga for you ? Is this only about Madara and fights ?
The big plot is more of FRIENDSHIP / BROTHERHOOD / LOVE than Madara or Pain, or Akatsuki or anything. Because the ultimate goal, peace in the world begins with friendship, brotherhood and love. With understanding each other.
There is another type of plot, IMO, and I will call it 'moving plot'. This plot has changed many times since the beginning, from chuunin exams to bringing Sasuke mission, then from Pain to Madara, or anything else.
This kind of manga exists to give a lesson of life at the end. To me the plot of this manga, the BIG PLOT is all about relationship with others.
Sakura is at the centre of this, just like Naruto and Sasuke.
Since the beginning, there is relationship issue between her, Naruto and Sasuke.
She is shouldering Naruto's dream.
She triggered many of Naruto's growing up.
She is the strong woman behind Naruto.
One day, Naruto may probably tell her that she made him Hokage, just like Minato said to Kushina.
Because it's the truth.
Like Haku said, he became really strong while protecting her, because he loves her.
His love for her made him grown.
She saved his life. It's true she didn't did it alone, but why would that made her irrelevant ?
Is Naruto irrelevant because Sasuke is helping him ?
Yes she's not really involved in Madara's story, but why would we say she's not relevant to the so called 'plot' from that ? What is this manga's 'plot' ?
In fact, you're saying she's not relevant to the plot because kishi did not make her fight that much I guess. Well that doesn't put her outside the plot at all.
Moreover, she did take a big place in all this war. She's pretty relevant. She lectured the alliance and made them stood up against a deadly attack. She talked in place of Naruto. She healed and protected everyone while Tsunade wasn't here. Without her, so much people, including Naruto, would be dead right now. Yes Obito saved Naruto, but Sakura too. Yes Naruto saved Shikamaru and what ? Why would the fact that she didn't do it alone would make her irrelevant to the plot ? Hinata is irrelevant to the plot.
You said Sakura is pairing fodder. I'm sorry but the pairing fodder is Hinata.
I really don't get it.
It's true I would rather she healed Shika all alone, but the fact that Naruto saved him doesn't make Sakura an outsider...
Posted 16 April 2014 - 04:59 PM
The big plot is more of FRIENDSHIP / BROTHERHOOD / LOVE than Madara or Pain, or Akatsuki or anything.
*cough* that's the theme not the plot *cough*. But I like what you said :).
Posted 16 April 2014 - 05:02 PM
Question: If Sakura had not made such an emotional plea to Naruto to bring Sasuke back -- if Naruto's love for Sakura had not been so strong that he would do anything for her -- would Naruto have pursued Sasuke with the same determination? Would Part I Naruto have committed himself heart, body, and soul to returning Sasuke based on his own feelings alone?
If you think strictly about the way Part I was written, it is Sakura who makes the chase after and retrieval of Sasuke of such paramount importance to Naruto. There was also some pressure from Kakashi to get Sasuke to turn away from darkness and stay home, but after trying a number of times would Konoha have given up on Sasuke -- Naruto included?
Of course now, in retrospect, we would be forced to say that Naruto and Sasuke were locked in a reincarnation vortex and Naruto would have chased him no matter what, even if he didn't understand why, but that wasn't our understanding as we progressed through Part I and into Shippuuden.
In fact, we are under the assumption that Naruto is doggedly pursuing Sasuke because of his Promise of a Lifetime to Sakura right up until the aftermath of her confession. Naruto admits to Sakura that whether the promise he made to her was in force or not, he now wants to save Sasuke for himself.
I think Sasuke might have been someone that Naruto always remembered, and would have planned to encounter again, but I am not convinced Naruto would have been as focused on Sasuke if he had not started on the quest for Sakura's sake.
Y/N?
I don't know, I kind of feel that even if the Promise of a Lifetime never happened it wouldn't have made a huge difference in Naruto's determination to bring Sasuke back. Naruto's own feelings where Sasuke is concerned appear to be plenty strong enough to keep him doggedly chasing after him.
It would be nice to think Sakura has been a driving force in Naruto's quest to save Sasuke but I'm not sure she is, not at this point. Maybe she was in part one when Naruto first made the promise, however, I don't think it has much bearing now, especially with the whole reincarnation thing that ties Naruto and Sasuke's characters together in this cycle of destiny.
Lol, I'm such a pessimist lately.
Edited by BakeNeko-Chan, 16 April 2014 - 06:23 PM.
Posted 16 April 2014 - 05:25 PM
The plot of the manga is peace and hatred, and it was all centred on this, Madara, Nagato, Obito, Jiraiya, Tsunade, Akatsuki, Danzou, Itachi, Kakashi, Gaara and many characters had their lives centered into this.You're so wrong about that.
I agree so much with this.
You're saying, GoogleIsMyFriend, that Sakura isn't relevant to the plot. But what is the plot of this manga for you ? Is this only about Madara and fights ?
The big plot is more of FRIENDSHIP / BROTHERHOOD / LOVE than Madara or Pain, or Akatsuki or anything. Because the ultimate goal, peace in the world begins with friendship, brotherhood and love. With understanding each other.
There is another type of plot, IMO, and I will call it 'moving plot'. This plot has changed many times since the beginning, from chuunin exams to bringing Sasuke mission, then from Pain to Madara, or anything else.
This kind of manga exists to give a lesson of life at the end. To me the plot of this manga, the BIG PLOT is all about relationship with others.
Sakura is at the centre of this, just like Naruto and Sasuke.
Since the beginning, there is relationship issue between her, Naruto and Sasuke.
She is shouldering Naruto's dream.
She triggered many of Naruto's growing up.
She is the strong woman behind Naruto.
One day, Naruto may probably tell her that she made him Hokage, just like Minato said to Kushina.
Because it's the truth.
Like Haku said, he became really strong while protecting her, because he loves her.
His love for her made him grown.
She saved his life. It's true she didn't did it alone, but why would that made her irrelevant ?
Is Naruto irrelevant because Sasuke is helping him ?
Yes she's not really involved in Madara's story, but why would we say she's not relevant to the so called 'plot' from that ? What is this manga's 'plot' ?
In fact, you're saying she's not relevant to the plot because kishi did not make her fight that much I guess. Well that doesn't put her outside the plot at all.
Moreover, she did take a big place in all this war. She's pretty relevant. She lectured the alliance and made them stood up against a deadly attack. She talked in place of Naruto. She healed and protected everyone while Tsunade wasn't here. Without her, so much people, including Naruto, would be dead right now. Yes Obito saved Naruto, but Sakura too. Yes Naruto saved Shikamaru and what ? Why would the fact that she didn't do it alone would make her irrelevant to the plot ? Hinata is irrelevant to the plot.
You said Sakura is pairing fodder. I'm sorry but the pairing fodder is Hinata.
I really don't get it.
It's true I would rather she healed Shika all alone, but the fact that Naruto saved him doesn't make Sakura an outsider...
Edited by Dαrkrєrsŧ, 16 April 2014 - 05:31 PM.
Posted 16 April 2014 - 05:28 PM
Edited by rocci, 16 April 2014 - 05:38 PM.
Posted 16 April 2014 - 07:04 PM
Posted 16 April 2014 - 07:13 PM
I agree that sakura doesn't have (clear) goal, but that what make her special in my eyes. She's so ordinary to the point it's amazing she can a boss fight on her own.
That is true I mean its why Kishi made her in the first place she is 'meant' to be ordinary.
I mean when you look at Doctor who, do you see the Doctor taking in something who would be very smart or have lots of skills... No he looks for ordinary people, and that is what I like about Sakura she does not need all the powers in the History of manga.
Posted 16 April 2014 - 07:16 PM
Now that I think about it what is the difference between 663 and the chunnin exam scene?
Only thing notably different is that Naruto is dying/dead. Sakura was reiterating what she said back then. It's not some big revelation that Sakura supports Naruto's Hokage candidacy and that she's willing to give up everything for him.
Posted 16 April 2014 - 07:27 PM
Posted 16 April 2014 - 07:39 PM
Quick question that I just got to ask
is it true that some people in our fandom believe that the circle on Naruto's new form is connected to Sakura's circle symbol?? Or is it NH fans impersonating as NS fans to make us look desperate for something relevent for us?? Don't get me wrong it would be nice if it did connect but really it just doesn't seem that way to me lol
Yes many of us are, me I'm just not so sure at this point as it could be nothing really.
Posted 16 April 2014 - 08:04 PM
Now that I think about it what is the difference between 663 and the chunnin exam scene?
The difference is that in the CE she wanted to protect that dream no matter what even if she thought that it was an impossible dream back then , now in 633 she believes in that dream more than anyone else , she protects that dream by fighting for it giving her all not just for Naruto's sake but also for hers because she wants to see that dream happen no matter what in a sense his dream has also became hers . With 663 that scene from the CE has come to a full circle now it's complete .
Posted 16 April 2014 - 08:05 PM
Quick question that I just got to ask
is it true that some people in our fandom believe that the circle on Naruto's new form is connected to Sakura's circle symbol?? Or is it NH fans impersonating as NS fans to make us look desperate for something relevent for us?? Don't get me wrong it would be nice if it did connect but really it just doesn't seem that way to me lol
They are correct, but I don't see anyone making theories of it. I think people are questioning it because we don't know what it means, people are curious. And believing it isn't delusional at all. Personally I am 50/50. Right now I'm brushing it off, as it leads us nowhere. If we ever get another hint, I might make connections.
The symbol on Naruto's belly is a circle. That does not mean it is the Haruno circle, but Minato's kyuubi mode has an Uzumaki symbol on his belly. His wife's symbol! So Naruto's circle might be related to Sakura. Why I have no idea, it's a tiny detail, too little to make something out of.
I don't get it tho, if you're a nh fan is it suddenly not a circle anymore? How can one twist something that already looks identical..?
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Posted 16 April 2014 - 08:27 PM
You're so wrong about that.
You're saying, GoogleIsMyFriend, that Sakura isn't relevant to the plot. But what is the plot of this manga for you ? Is this only about Madara and fights ?
The big plot is more of FRIENDSHIP / BROTHERHOOD / LOVE than Madara or Pain, or Akatsuki or anything. Because the ultimate goal, peace in the world begins with friendship, brotherhood and love. With understanding each other.
There is another type of plot, IMO, and I will call it 'moving plot'. This plot has changed many times since the beginning, from chuunin exams to bringing Sasuke mission, then from Pain to Madara, or anything else.
This kind of manga exists to give a lesson of life at the end. To me the plot of this manga, the BIG PLOT is all about relationship with others.
Sakura is at the centre of this, just like Naruto and Sasuke.
Since the beginning, there is relationship issue between her, Naruto and Sasuke.
She is shouldering Naruto's dream.
She triggered many of Naruto's growing up.
She is the strong woman behind Naruto.
One day, Naruto may probably tell her that she made him Hokage, just like Minato said to Kushina.
Because it's the truth.
Like Haku said, he became really strong while protecting her, because he loves her.
His love for her made him grown.
She saved his life. It's true she didn't did it alone, but why would that made her irrelevant ?
Is Naruto irrelevant because Sasuke is helping him ?
Yes she's not really involved in Madara's story, but why would we say she's not relevant to the so called 'plot' from that ? What is this manga's 'plot' ?
In fact, you're saying she's not relevant to the plot because kishi did not make her fight that much I guess. Well that doesn't put her outside the plot at all.
Moreover, she did take a big place in all this war. She's pretty relevant. She lectured the alliance and made them stood up against a deadly attack. She talked in place of Naruto. She healed and protected everyone while Tsunade wasn't here. Without her, so much people, including Naruto, would be dead right now. Yes Obito saved Naruto, but Sakura too. Yes Naruto saved Shikamaru and what ? Why would the fact that she didn't do it alone would make her irrelevant to the plot ? Hinata is irrelevant to the plot.
You said Sakura is pairing fodder. I'm sorry but the pairing fodder is Hinata.
I really don't get it.
It's true I would rather she healed Shika all alone, but the fact that Naruto saved him doesn't make Sakura an outsider...
Posted 16 April 2014 - 08:28 PM
Posted 16 April 2014 - 08:34 PM
I agree! I think for someone to be relevant to the main plot, its not really necessary for someone to fight against the opponent. She is relevant to the plot in her own unique way and that is healing the alliance, increasing their morale and most importantly literally being the backbone of Naruto in this war. Yes, she maybe not as powerful as Naruto or Sasuke, but she has healed the alliance, raised their morale and most of all healed Naruto multiple times, and admit it or not, if any of the above things were not to happen, they would be in even worst situation right now! Infact Naruto would be dead by now. She is not irrelevant to the plot, but infact, she is important to the plot in her own way. Naruto and (I hate to mention it) Sasuke are handling things at the front and Sakura at the back, in a way.
Yes but this is the vision on the women in Japan IMO.
I am not.
Naruto is an action manga, with some cycle of hatred and bonds thrown in. Sakura is irrelevant on the action part since she hasn't fought much since Sasori and she's irrelevant to the cycle of hatred, because that is only between Naruto and Sasuke and Madara and Obito. Sakura is also irrelevant to bonds because she chose to sit back and have faith on them both. Plus, people mock the friendships of Sasuke and Naruto as having no basis, and this is because Kishi doesn't bother developing these much.
Second, there is no friendship or brotherhood to be had from Sakura to anyone else but Naruto. Tsunade, Sakura, Shizune and Ino barely have interactions in part 2. Sasuke and Sakura have a relationship in the same sense Kakashi and Sasuke have a relationship. We know its there, but there is no screentime for it. When you said Sakura has relationships with Sakura, you only enumerated points on the relationship between Naruto and Sakura. The only bond that seems to be there for the grand majority of you (I disagree, but since saying anything positive about it gives behavior akin to insulting your mothers, I'll refrain from doing this), is Sakura and Naruto. That's the definition pairing fodder, not plot relevance. Especially when Naruto has very little interest in romance compared to everything else.
Third, Kishi spends 24 chapters showing a fight and then one chapter speaking of bonds. Sakura is irrelevant for those 24 chapters and relevant for 1 chapter. Naruto and Sasuke are relevant for those 25 chapters. There is clearly a difference here. What surprises me is that you say that, as if you never encountered someone saying 'Sakura is useless' or 'Hinata is better heroine' or 'Kishimoto hates females'. Why do you think those people say that? They may be exaggerating, but there is a foundation of truth. Right now, Naruto and Sasuke are going to be settle this argument by fighting with Madara, and Sakura is going to stay out of it.
You mention that Sakura lectured the alliance. How long was that again? Oh yes, two whole pages and remember, Hinata also did this and she's not the main heroine. You mention Sakura healing fodder in the background, that's cool and all but how is that relevant to the plot? She's healing fodders and the guys that were important, she wasn't allowed to heal on her own. Naruto just saved Gai from a fatal wound with the flick of his hand. All of Sakura's hardwork as a medic don't matter in the face of the plot. She's nothing in comparison with Naruto.
Your snapish retort about me saying that Sakura is pairing fodder and that Hinata is much worse, I have not said the contrary. Hinata is pairing fodder too, worse than Sakura. However, pointing out that other characters are worse doesn't exempt Sakura, or better what Kishimoto does with Sakura because this isn't her fault, from criticism.
Well I don't agree at all and I think I'll not be able to change your opinion so I think there is no need for us to argue.
Your reasoning is not broken, but I don't have the same.
I think it's because we don't see the 'plot' the same way at all.
People disagree on this subject because of that.
I would like to see Sakura fight more too,but to me this doesn't make her irrelevant.
It's true it's a shonen and an action manga, but that doesn't mean the 'plot' is action only.
Maybe we should search for Sakura relevance in action things ? Because I know there is.
Well, I don't think like you at all.
Edited by Otaru, 16 April 2014 - 09:02 PM.
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