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#17061 shisui

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Posted 15 April 2014 - 07:20 PM

Sakura is irrelevant to the plot. I don't like it either, but that's what Kishi is writing.

Romanticizing the CPR is a mistake, in my opinion. The CPR happened for fanservice (NS fandom) and disservice (NH / SS fandom). There may be a reference in the future and it may be connected to 572, but it's not going to solve any pairings. Sakura did it because Naruto needed it, not because she's in love with him. She would have done it to everyone else that needed this.

Chapter 3 can be seen in a similar light. There may be a reference in the future, but it's not important for the greater picture. Sakura was bullied over her forehead and "Sasuke" complimented it, that's serious foreshadowing that Naruto is better suited for her. However, Sasuke rejected her love confession and tried to kill her multiple times. If Sasuke's off-hand comment, remember he retracted as something Naruto would say and not him, is the reason why Sakura held onto her love will make her look absolutely pathetic.

Sakura's memories in the chapter where he tries to kill her again are of the academy days, their team 7 days, and Sasuke thanking her. They hint that Sakura's love is a product of time spent together. Sakura's love for Sasuke is due to bonds in general, things Kishimoto is fond of in exaggeration. It's not like Naruto and Sasuke spent a lot of time together nor did they have a signficant relationship either, yet he pushes their friendship as the best next thing since sliced bread. May I remind you of all the ridiculous things Naruto has done in the name of his so called friendship with Sasuke.

I know some don't like to admit Sakura's feelings for Sakura are strong, but that's trivialising Sakura and Naruto's character, and the struggle NaruSaku goes through. Is Sakura that stupid that a shallow crush supercedes her reasoning and the much better option that has been right next to her all along? Is Naruto that much incompetent that he can't woo a girl to like him even if she has shallow feelings? Is NaruSaku that weak that it can't win against a shallow bond that has withstood for years? I'd rather not think the worse of these three things, but everyone's entitled their opinion.

It's fine if it's this way, even from the endgame's perspective. It makes it vague enough for Sasuke to have feelings for Sakura as well, as a means to make her chose between him and Naruto on equal footing. It also gives it plenty of room for Sakura to move on from Sasuke, because while her feelings are strong, they weren't substantial since they never got through anything together.

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Posted 15 April 2014 - 07:55 PM

Sakura is irrelevant to the plot. I don't like it either, but that's what Kishi is writing.Romanticizing the CPR is a mistake, in my opinion. The CPR happened for fanservice (NS fandom) and disservice (NH / SS fandom). There may be a reference in the future and it may be connected to 572, but it's not going to solve any pairings. Sakura did it because Naruto needed it, not because she's in love with him. She would have done it to everyone else that needed this.Chapter 3 can be seen in a similar light. There may be a reference in the future, but it's not important for the greater picture. Sakura was bullied over her forehead and "Sasuke" complimented it, that's serious foreshadowing that Naruto is better suited for her. However, Sasuke rejected her love confession and tried to kill her multiple times. If Sasuke's off-hand comment, remember he retracted as something Naruto would say and not him, is the reason why Sakura held onto her love will make her look absolutely pathetic.Sakura's memories in the chapter where he tries to kill her again are of the academy days, their team 7 days, and Sasuke thanking her. They hint that Sakura's love is a product of time spent together. Sakura's love for Sasuke is due to bonds in general, things Kishimoto is fond of in exaggeration. It's not like Naruto and Sasuke spent a lot of time together nor did they have a signficant relationship either, yet he pushes their friendship as the best next thing since sliced bread. May I remind you of all the ridiculous things Naruto has done in the name of his so called friendship with Sasuke.I know some don't like to admit Sakura's feelings for Sakura are strong, but that's trivialising Sakura and Naruto's character, and the struggle NaruSaku goes through. Is Sakura that stupid that a shallow crush supercedes her reasoning and the much better option that has been right next to her all along? Is Naruto that much incompetent that he can't woo a girl to like him even if she has shallow feelings? Is NaruSaku that weak that it can't win against a shallow bond that has withstood for years? I'd rather not think the worse of these three things, but everyone's entitled their opinion.It's fine if it's this way, even from the endgame's perspective. It makes it vague enough for Sasuke to have feelings for Sakura as well, as a means to make her chose between him and Naruto on equal footing. It also gives it plenty of room for Sakura to move on from Sasuke, because while her feelings are strong, they weren't substantial since they never got through anything together.


Few things,

Sakura's relevance depends on what's actually in focus.

She is relevant to the stuff such as the stuff surrounding naruto and Sasuke, but not on the sage aspect.

If one thing has happened in the story involving naruto and sasukes situation, Kishi gave it a dual context, a social context which has been present since Sasuke defected, and a historical one involving the sage, senju, uchiha, and so on.

Sakura is relevant to the social side, the one that was seen for the majority of part 2, basically as the historical side of the naruto Sasuke stuff was building, sakura was relevant to this side, events like him running away, discovering he joined the akastui, the land of iron events, and even the final battle, sakura is relevant in this because of how it impacts her, basically her association with naruto and Sasuke makes her relevant in this case. This side has come in and out a few times but this is the side sakura is part of, the social side or the present one we can say, she is part if well, how does it impact her in cases like when sai told her the stuff about what naruto did and how the promise impacted him while she had her own antagonism from sasukes actions.

Sakura's relevance is her conflict between what she feels for Sasuke and what he has done while also her care and support for naruto. It's basically what will impact her when Sasuke the guy she doesn't trust yet loves comes to harm naruto, the one she is supporting? That's her relevance, she is caught up in the impacts Sasuke started by running away and how it has played out from his actions and how it impacted both her and naruto in some cases, naruto and her to each other. Otherwise it's also just part of team 7 as a whole but sakura is still in this zone.

The historical side though, this one is the one she has no relevance in. As the story of the sage was built up over the years, we knew that naruto and Sasuke would have a final battle, but in the context of Madara, this is where it's coming to a head. While the final battle ahead does incorporate this side and the social side sakura takes part in, this one is based on all the historical accumulations of past actions as the story has shown, basically what naruto and Sasuke do against Madara and later each other determines the fate of the whole world. But right now,the historical side is dominant. This is the side where naruto goes with the stuff associated with him (senju, hashirama, ashura, tailed beasts) and Sasuke (uchiha, Madara, Indra, sharigan) in all respects though Madara is a parallel we can say to Sasuke just for the time as he was like Indra before that transmigration occurred, then he was basically an evil hagomoro. Anyways, sakura doesn't take part here, her association generally goes highest with team 7 or involving tsunade but in this, it is the historical aspect that she is not part of.

The final battle takes both of these, one built up primarily on the social context though as we have been antipating for years. The historical context here is how do naruto and Sasuke ultimately break that chain so the ancient conflict of ashura and Indra ends?

Otherwise in the stuff from 663, it's not the CPR we count, it's the memories of naruto saying he will be hokage we count and how she would not let him die, that's what we count. We see it as a show from compared so long ago when she simply only wanted him to retain hope and was willing to give up the Chunin exams so his dream wasn't crushed, now it's she rather wants to she him become hokage no matter what,

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Posted 15 April 2014 - 08:13 PM

Sakura is completely relevent, if she didn't exist Naruto would be dead already.  :lol:

 

but in all seriousness I do think Sakura is an important character, and should never be overlooked on any occasion. I do think she is Relevent, just not in the way most people think.


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Posted 15 April 2014 - 08:17 PM

I feel its dependent on what the focus is, I mean this is why I said the whole Naruto vs sasuke deal has 2 aspects,

 

the side thats been at present for years, still unresolved which sakura was around for when this all originated in the promise. Just because of what happened in the land of iron doesnt rule this out, her role is still part of what that fate for team 7 itself is.

 

Then theres the stuff that started with the rinnegan with nagato we saw, the sage story built up to what it is now. This doesnt involve her, but its getting is resolution mainly in stopping Madara's plan, the only fragment after is how naruto and sasuke handle the future in their fight.



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Posted 15 April 2014 - 08:34 PM

She is relevant to the stuff surrounding Naruto and Sasuke, but she is a thirdwheel. Even though she is a main character too, even though she should be relevant on her own. I agree with Bakaneko-chan and ramenanitsu completely. I understood the lack of NS this chapter, but Sakura is my favourite and not treated like a main character at all. Even Kakashi comes before her, with his recent arc. She opened her seal and used it to heal fodders. :ermm:

 

Another series with a trio that has actually been written well is shingeki no kyojin. Eren, Mikasa, and Armin are all relevant in different ways, they have internal struggles, and do not rely on other characters to develop.  Eren is the protagonist so he gets the most shine of course, but neither Mikasa or Armin are more important than the other.


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Posted 15 April 2014 - 09:15 PM

She is relevant to the stuff surrounding Naruto and Sasuke, but she is a thirdwheel. Even though she is a main character too, even though she should be relevant on her own. I agree with Bakaneko-chan and ramenanitsu completely. I understood the lack of NS this chapter, but Sakura is my favourite and not treated like a main character at all. Even Kakashi comes before her, with his recent arc. She opened her seal and used it to heal fodders. :ermm:
 
Another series with a trio that has actually been written well is shingeki no kyojin. Eren, Mikasa, and Armin are all relevant in different ways, they have internal struggles, and do not rely on other characters to develop. Even though Eren is the main character, I think Armin and Mikasa are equally important.


Does anyone else find that ironic?


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Posted 15 April 2014 - 09:18 PM

Does anyone else find that ironic?

You mean hypocritical? It wasn't. :no:


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Posted 15 April 2014 - 09:20 PM

She is relevant to the stuff surrounding Naruto and Sasuke, but she is a thirdwheel. Even though she is a main character too, even though she should be relevant on her own. I agree with Bakaneko-chan and ramenanitsu completely. I understood the lack of NS this chapter, but Sakura is my favourite and not treated like a main character at all. Even Kakashi comes before her, with his recent arc. She opened her seal and used it to heal fodders. :ermm:
 
Another series with a trio that has actually been written well is shingeki no kyojin. Eren, Mikasa, and Armin are all relevant in different ways, they have internal struggles, and do not rely on other characters to develop. Even though Eren is the main character, I think Armin and Mikasa are equally important.

Here's the thing, if your character begins with a background of huge importance, then you will be relevant to the plot. Not all times all of them will be the crucial point. Sometimes, the later moment could be forced upon, but that's when it gets like closer to the end. That said I'm used to this and I don't find myself knocking my head against the wall on being "relevant" to the plot. Many of my favorites aren't relevant to the plot, anyway, so I don't see what's the big deal. If you're the main character, then yeah, relevant will fly all over you. If you begin with, "Protect me as I hold a key" or "I am the answer to all problems," then of course you're relevant. You're a plot.

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Posted 15 April 2014 - 09:23 PM

She is relevant to the stuff surrounding Naruto and Sasuke, but she is a thirdwheel. Even though she is a main character too, even though she should be relevant on her own. I agree with Bakaneko-chan and ramenanitsu completely. I understood the lack of NS this chapter, but Sakura is my favourite and not treated like a main character at all. Even Kakashi comes before her, with his recent arc. She opened her seal and used it to heal fodders. :ermm:

Unfortunately you are correct. It's annoying but it is what it is. Truth is we're lucky she got the development she got so far.


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Posted 15 April 2014 - 09:27 PM

You mean hypocritical? It wasn't. :no:


I mean ironic in the fact that in a relationship that involves 2 guys and 1 girl, one of the guys is the third wheel.

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Posted 15 April 2014 - 10:33 PM

Sakura's relevance depends on what's actually in focus.

She is relevant to the stuff such as the stuff surrounding naruto and Sasuke, but not on the sage aspect.

If one thing has happened in the story involving naruto and sasukes situation, Kishi gave it a dual context, a social context which has been present since Sasuke defected, and a historical one involving the sage, senju, uchiha, and so on.

Sakura is relevant to the social side, the one that was seen for the majority of part 2, basically as the historical side of the naruto Sasuke stuff was building, sakura was relevant to this side, events like him running away, discovering he joined the akastui, the land of iron events, and even the final battle, sakura is relevant in this because of how it impacts her, basically her association with naruto and Sasuke makes her relevant in this case. This side has come in and out a few times but this is the side sakura is part of, the social side or the present one we can say, she is part if well, how does it impact her in cases like when sai told her the stuff about what naruto did and how the promise impacted him while she had her own antagonism from sasukes actions.

Sakura's relevance is her conflict between what she feels for Sasuke and what he has done while also her care and support for naruto. It's basically what will impact her when Sasuke the guy she doesn't trust yet loves comes to harm naruto, the one she is supporting? That's her relevance, she is caught up in the impacts Sasuke started by running away and how it has played out from his actions and how it impacted both her and naruto in some cases, naruto and her to each other. Otherwise it's also just part of team 7 as a whole but sakura is still in this zone.

The historical side though, this one is the one she has no relevance in. As the story of the sage was built up over the years, we knew that naruto and Sasuke would have a final battle, but in the context of Madara, this is where it's coming to a head. While the final battle ahead does incorporate this side and the social side sakura takes part in, this one is based on all the historical accumulations of past actions as the story has shown, basically what naruto and Sasuke do against Madara and later each other determines the fate of the whole world. But right now,the historical side is dominant. This is the side where naruto goes with the stuff associated with him (senju, hashirama, ashura, tailed beasts) and Sasuke (uchiha, Madara, Indra, sharigan) in all respects though Madara is a parallel we can say to Sasuke just for the time as he was like Indra before that transmigration occurred, then he was basically an evil hagomoro. Anyways, sakura doesn't take part here, her association generally goes highest with team 7 or involving tsunade but in this, it is the historical aspect that she is not part of.

The final battle takes both of these, one built up primarily on the social context though as we have been antipating for years. The historical context here is how do naruto and Sasuke ultimately break that chain so the ancient conflict of ashura and Indra ends?


Team 7? There is no team 7 when the conflict between Naruto and Sasuke is something they've inherited alone. She's not part of this Indra and Ashura thing. What will Sakura's role be in this conflict they have? Cheerlead them? Tell them to stop and fail at it just like she did in part 1? Be ignored by Sasuke and told to not interfere by Naruto? How is this being relevant? She's there occupying space.

Medic? All she ever did was heal fodders and summon half a slug. She wasn't even allowed to heal Shikamaru or Naruto on her own, she had to had help from others at either time. On the other hand, Naruto was allowed to prevent Gai dying on his own, moreover from a technique that has been repeatedly said to be fatal. We're all still waiting for Slug Sage mode, if Kishi even bothers. At this rate, it will be footnote on Databook 4.

About Sasuke, the position of the large majority of this site is very clear. She has no influence on him, so while I believe she does have influence, the large majority thinks she does not. So, there is no plot relevance there. About Naruto, her influence is zero as well, when he makes the Sasuke business his own and sidelines everyone else, which includes her. "The promise I made to you has nothing to do with why I want to save Sasuke", remember? It's their conflict and Sakura has no place in it. Poor Sakura. All she's there is to smile while the men come to an agreement, and this will happen without her.
 

Sakura is completely relevent, if she didn't exist Naruto would be dead already. :lol:


It wasn't only because of her that he's alive either.
 

Otherwise in the stuff from 663, it's not the CPR we count, it's the memories of naruto saying he will be hokage we count and how she would not let him die, that's what we count. We see it as a show from compared so long ago when she simply only wanted him to retain hope and was willing to give up the Chunin exams so his dream wasn't crushed, now it's she rather wants to she him become hokage no matter what,


What Sakura said during the CPR was the exact same she said during the chunin written exam and when she was having that conversation with Yamato, and she wasn't in love with Naruto at either of those times. This is recycled plot with fanservice thrown into it.
 

Does anyone else find that ironic?


It may be a relative case. Compared to the rest of the cast, Sakura is more relevant. However, compared to Naruto and Sasuke, she's irrelevant.

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Posted 15 April 2014 - 10:38 PM

If we really want to judge Sakura's character, as Kishi handled it, at best, I would give Sakura a B+

 

On the bright side, he has given her great mental development, considering how he handled Sakura with only action like Sasori, fake neji, and the current events (even just healing) Sakura is best desribed as a mentally developed character, 80% mental driven, 20% physically driven. If he had given her more physical or fight scenes then yes a lot more would have been good, but he didn't do this.

 

In the aspect of changing her attitude in regards to others, this development has been perfect, mainly like how she thought of naruto as an annoyance to where she doesnt want him to die now, thats a very dynamic change over the series.

 

Another is just how she helps naruto, in spots like the land of iron, she took matters into her own hands but it didnt work out right, in the past year in 630, we got her speech of not letting everyone depend on naruto, this is exactly derived from the land of iron shortcoming.

 

Physically she has been given a good pattle to work with, just kishi didnt do much but he was creative at least to give some situations for her role even as a medic like cutting naruto's side open to massage his heart. But there were opportunities for more battles like if she had faced kabuto back in the sasuke and sai arc, got to assist Shikamaru with Sai against Hidan, fought one of pains bodies and succeeded (but it secretly revived for naruto to beat), or had some fight against at least Haku or chiyo in the war, that would have been perfect. Those fights right there, especially against kabuto or in the war would be very relevant to her.

 

Otherwise kishi has been good at decepting one of sakura's longest traits, what can she do for her team from her own shortcomings? This was a focus in 632 before she released the seal, she is by all means normal but being able to inhert the power of one like tsunade is something that lets her make up for this. If anything its almost like whatever the seal origated from aside from being connected to Katsuyu, she has a rare power like her master now.

 

As Sakura's development is not over though, what else lies ahead? Well there is some, I mean she isnt going to fight madara, nothing special for her there, but she will have some role in the final Naruto vs Sasuke stuff, not in the fight itself but in some other way. In some cases yes her role is just having learned to have faith in naruto, as in some cases yamatos words are true, feelings are more important than capable ability. Sometimes trust is more important than healing or pummeling some foe with her friends.

 

Kishi's shortcomings though, the whole sasuke aspect, its been a one way antagonizing factor on her. While we tire of it, as long as he uses it to the conclusion, I'm fine with it. We know Sakura doesn't even have a good reason for loving him and last we saw, she doesnt trust him. Im part of the crowd that sees 540 and 635 as just dramatic drag, its going to come in later but it sets up a sense of something is unfortunate and wrong and though she wishes it was not true, its hard to face.

 

He has made her do foolish things but she otherwise was also created to be a stubborn but honest girl who means well.

 

In regards to her powerup, it was very sudden at the end of 631 but it was hinted from time to time, the problem was he gave naruto too many training chapters we had chapters with him training to learn the summoning, rasengan, wind style, sage mode, and nine tails chakra mode. With the exception to the summoning, it was the first, not going to blame it because the finalists had to train. The nine tails mode has some leeway as well, naruto at least had to fight to gain control of a power, luckly he was out of commison like sasuke for the war arc so we didnt get a ton of training chapters like this one. Sasuke simply got all his powers in combat and his EMS from obito transplanting them. If there were less training scenes on naruto, we could have seen more with sakura. Otherwise it was fairly hinted and many expected she would gain some power like what tsunade had, but it just came at the time of 632.

 

He has handled her very well in some situations, but in other situations it hasnt been perfect yet as the story went, in cases like the 2010 interview he has done pretty well with giving her a heroine role involving getting the seal, breaking the majority of the fission jubbi clones, summoning katsuyu, working with tsunade, learning the remote healing, and what she did recently with naruto. Those were wonderful. Again he could have focused on her more, but it was in most cases, he has made sakura a good character.

 

In regards to the other female characters, I say Sakura is second best, Tsunade is the best handled because of other reasons and having more fights but like kakashi, Tsunade had a tragic backstory and in effect like him, got a second chance with Naruto's generation. Kinda like how kakashi got team 7, tsunade made a difference by how naruto changed her and training sakura was another progression as well. I mean when you look at it, Sakura was handled much better than other female characters.



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Posted 15 April 2014 - 10:45 PM

Team 7? There is no team 7 when the conflict between Naruto and Sasuke is something they've inherited alone. She's not part of this Indra and Ashura thing. What will Sakura's role be in this conflict they have? Cheerlead them? Tell them to stop and fail at it just like she did in part 1? Be ignored by Sasuke and told to not interfere by Naruto? How is this being relevant? She's there occupying space.

Medic? All she ever did was heal fodders and summon half a slug. She wasn't even allowed to heal Shikamaru or Naruto on her own, she had to had help from others at either time. On the other hand, Naruto was allowed to prevent Gai dying on his own, moreover from a technique that has been repeatedly said to be fatal. We're all still waiting for Slug Sage mode, if Kishi even bothers. At this rate, it will be footnote on Databook 4.

About Sasuke, the position of the large majority of this site is very clear. She has no influence on him, so while I believe she does have influence, the large majority thinks she does not. So, there is no plot relevance there. About Naruto, her influence is zero as well, when he makes the Sasuke business his own and sidelines everyone else, which includes her. "The promise I made to you has nothing to do with why I want to save Sasuke", remember? It's their conflict and Sakura has no place in it. Poor Sakura. All she's there is to smile while the men come to an agreement, and this will happen without her.
 

It wasn't only because of her that he's alive either.
 

What Sakura said during the CPR was the exact same she said during the chunin written exam and when she was having that conversation with Yamato, and she wasn't in love with Naruto at either of those times. This is recycled plot with fanservice thrown into it.
 

It may be a relative case. Compared to the rest of the cast, Sakura is more relevant. However, compared to Naruto and Sasuke, she's irrelevant.

 

So I guess you ignored my explanation about how there were 2 sides?

 

Tell me then, where is the deal with the sage when this fight is over? If the whole concept is that there is a future to change, to end this cycle the sage didnt expect to start then what is his purpose when this is over? His purpose is done by all means from letting naruto and sasuke hold the future.

 

Trying to ignore sakura is basically ignoring a good portion of the plot, its not the most important but its still pretty critical in some cases. Otherwise by default, the land of iron events had no relevance considering her position in it. This whole point for her role on team 7 is then meaningless as you would put it.

 

But hey, thats all your opinion. Trying to say Sakura isn't relevant is saying team 7 isnt relevant, You are basically denying the main group of the story. You can love or hate Sakrua, but she is part of team 7, nothing can change that. She is relevant even though there are others who feel she isn't.



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Posted 15 April 2014 - 10:51 PM

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Posted 15 April 2014 - 10:58 PM

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#17076 Gojira

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Posted 15 April 2014 - 11:13 PM

What Sakura said during the chunnin exam and during 663 are completely different.

In the chunnin exam she literally didn't have any confidence in him attaining his dream but now that its so close she's wanting to save him more than ever.

Whether or not she had feelings for Naruto during the chunnin exam is debatable its implied in the databooks that even though she was in love with Sasuke she had some feelings for Naruto as well. Even in the beginning of the series where she supposedly hates him she has shown concern for him (When Zabuza made his entrance for example)

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#17077 Drica-chan

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Posted 15 April 2014 - 11:15 PM

I don´t know,but would appreciate if someone translate



#17078 luffyq1

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Posted 15 April 2014 - 11:22 PM

Team 7? There is no team 7 when the conflict between Naruto and Sasuke is something they've inherited alone. She's not part of this Indra and Ashura thing. What will Sakura's role be in this conflict they have? Cheerlead them? Tell them to stop and fail at it just like she did in part 1? Be ignored by Sasuke and told to not interfere by Naruto? How is this being relevant? She's there occupying space.

It may be a relative case. Compared to the rest of the cast, Sakura is more relevant. However, compared to Naruto and Sasuke, she's irrelevant.

And that's another reason why I loathe NaruSasu because of their beautiful bromance, a bromance that's been dragged for god knows how long, and the strongest bond in the series that Kishi obviously wants us to label as such, yet developing it terribly. Knowing that has to take precedence over Sakura is frustrating and makes me wanna bash my head into a wall.


Edited by luffyq1, 15 April 2014 - 11:24 PM.

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#17079 shisui

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Posted 15 April 2014 - 11:35 PM

So I guess you ignored my explanation about how there were 2 sides?


I ignored it because there are no two sides. You wrote a lot, but in resume you explained on how Sakura is relevant. You say she's there, witnessing things, but witnessing is not the same as a catalyst.
 

Tell me then, where is the deal with the sage when this fight is over? If the whole concept is that there is a future to change, to end this cycle the sage didnt expect to start then what is his purpose when this is over? His purpose is done by all means from letting naruto and sasuke hold the future.


Yes, how is Sakura going to be relevant after this, besides being pairing fodder? You answer that.
 

Trying to ignore sakura is basically ignoring a good portion of the plot, its not the most important but its still pretty critical in some cases. Otherwise by default, the land of iron events had no relevance considering her position in it. This whole point for her role on team 7 is then meaningless as you would put it.


Oh no, I'm not ignoring Sakura until the first Team 7 reunion. No, Sakura was very important until the end of that chapter. After that, Sakura faded into irrelevant land.

She confessed to Naruto, which had no plot relevance and nothing was achieved from it. During the second Team 7 reunion, she failed to kill Sasuke, while I don't blame her for not going through with it in the end her resolve achieved nothin. She was then sidelined from the conflict by Naruto and the author himself when she stated "All I can do is have faith in them." and you may feel free to think that's relevance but I don't accept that. The Team 7 chapter was cool but had no plot relevance, what had some plot relevance was the Naruto and Sasuke teamwork, which Sakura was excluded from. Shikamaru and Naruto, both moments where her medic skills should have shone, but both had to be healed with help from someone else (compare Naruto, who stopped Gai from dying on his own).
 

But hey, thats all your opinion. Trying to say Sakura isn't relevant is saying team 7 isnt relevant, You are basically denying the main group of the story. You can love or hate Sakrua, but she is part of team 7, nothing can change that. She is relevant even though there are others who feel she isn't.


Why do you think so many say Sakura is useless or that Hinata is a better heroine? Of course they are wrong, but their reasons aren't completely unfounded. Compared to Naruto and Sasuke, Sakura is useless and she really can only do the lamest of things, nothing spectacular like them. Anyone reading the war arc would think Sakura and Hinata have the same importance, because both have showed up relatively the same amount of time. Hinata is a secondary character while Sakura is supposedly a main character.

I don't hate Sakura. I love Sakura. I can't pretend she's been well treaed by this story and its author, because she has not been well treated and it shows because she has no relevance to the final conflict of the manga. She's not going to fight Madara and she's not going to have input on the Naruto and Sasuke fight.

I don't blame Sakura for this situation. I blame Kishimoto. He failed his heroine.
 

What Sakura said during the chunnin exam and during 663 are completely different. In the chunnin exam she literally didn't have any confidence in him attaining his dream but now that its so close she's wanting to save him more than ever.


It's good that Sakura didn't believe Naruto during the chunin exams. He was a moron who didn't even realise the true intent of that exam, how could he be ready to lead a village.

My point is, how is believing in his dream or not relevant for pairings?
 

Whether or not she had feelings for Naruto during the chunnin exam is debatable its implied in the databooks that even though she was in love with Sasuke she had some feelings for Naruto as well. Even in the beginning of the series where she supposedly hates him she has shown concern for him (When Zabuza made his entrance for example)


First, the databooks aren't canon. Second, it's not debatable at all as there is no evidence in the manga that Sakura loved Naruto in the entirety of part 1. Third, to make Sakura in love with Naruto all this time and not realise it is to give her a stupidity award and that's not what she is.
 

And that's another reason why I loathe NaruSasu because of their beautiful bromance, a bromance that's been dragged for god knows how long, and the strongest bond in the series that Kishi obviously wants us to label as such, yet developing it terribly. Knowing that has to take precedence over Sakura is frustrating and makes me wanna bash my head into a wall.


What's also amazing is how dislikable Naruto has become over this. Naruto's obsession with Sasuke isn't even reciprocated. Sasuke doesn't give a kitten about him in comparison. Naruto comes across as delusional and needy and that makes the trash that is Sasuke looks better than the hero. Seriously, his answer to Hogoromo "we are friends", no shut up you certainly are not.

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Edited by GoogleIsMyFriend, 15 April 2014 - 11:48 PM.


#17080 Gojira

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Posted 15 April 2014 - 11:39 PM

And that's another reason why I loathe NaruSasu because of their beautiful bromance, a bromance that's been dragged for god knows how long, and the strongest bond in the series that Kishi obviously wants us to label as such, yet developing it terribly. Knowing that has to take precedence over Sakura is frustrating and makes me wanna bash my head into a wall.


I just hate bromances in general. The only ones I like are Goku and Vegeta and Yusuke and Kuwabara but a majority of Goku and vegeta bro moments are always filler and Yusuke and Kuwabara's chemistry was cool only because of how Funimation wrote their lines


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