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[FireFox]

I think he said "prying" as in he didn't want to bother her about him as it would be rude (misread it as "praying" at first as well)

LOL didn't saw at first  thanks :) 

[rocci]

@baka Neko
I'm just curious, but what you expect from sakura character and As a heroine of this series?

[TheFirstEvil100]

so can Naruto heal people now because if he can, than what is there left for Sakura now that she is out of that job if Naruto can speed heal everyone?

[rocci]

@firstevil
I think he can heal like what he did in vote, if he gain yang kurama back. Seem like this yin kurama has different set of ability, I think. Btw naruto only give gai enough life force/chakra to make him stay alive.

Sakura can still heal for now. I think she would get a fight in the next arc.

Edited by rocci, 14 April 2014 - 09:22 PM.

[Luna]

so can Naruto heal people now because if he can, than what is there left for Sakura now that she is out of that job if Naruto can speed heal everyone?

I think his power is temporary for now(I hope).

[FireFox]

Well imo I don't think it holds much weight in the pairing plot. And we don't really know what led Sakura to fall in love with Sasuke. All we can do is theorize because Kishi has failed to elaborate on Sakura's terrible romantic feelings for Sasuke. So her knowing it was Naruto may not even give her this monumental epiphany that so many fans want out of that scene.

It has been approximately 669 chapters since that forehead scene has been brought up. Ever since Sasuke left and Naruto made the poal, Sakura has transitioned into this totally different girl that I still have a hard time believing that she used to be a fangirl. When Sakura used the byakugou seal in 634 she clearly states that she doesn't have to worry about keeping her youthful looks. She's far passed those shallow thoughts and it's because of character development. In fact, it started out in the forest of death arc when she decided to cut her hair. I don't think that forehead scene will be brought up not just because of it's relevancy, but also because of Sakura's character development. And even if it does somehow get brought up, I don't think it will play a crucial role in solidifying NS since the things I pointed out.

Her image of Sasuke is shattered or is already in the process of being shattered. Like I said, 540 and 635 are clear examples of that. I'm pretty sure that the forehead scene doesn't need to play a part in Sakura having some realization that Sasuke is a terrible person. She's seeing first hand just how bad he is. And she only saw Sasuke as that "prince charming" for that one instant. What follows after that chapter is Sasuke treating Sakura like trash, telling her to mind her own business and throwing the apple that she carved up for him on the floor and stepping on them. That all happened before the timeskip.

But this is just my opinion. I could be very much wrong.

Chapter 3 is the only thing in this story that would make her love for him not be seen as idiotic or still be seen as a crush no matter how much we theorize of how and when because there are no other scenes that points that out .

 

I really don't understand how is she having an epiphany that someone loves that part of her that she hates and has been bullied for would diminish somehow her growth/development from then till now and why is it shallow ? I really don't see anything wrong with it , like i said just because Sakura hasn't dwell about that insecurity of hers since the beginning of P2 doesn't mean that knowing that someone loves that part of hers that she hates won't have an impact on her especially when you took into consideration that it was that part of hers and the reason why she was bullied and didn't have any friends at that time. Also if Kushina had an epiphany for someone that complimented on her hair why not Sakura plus Kushina was a matured women yet she still said i love you to the ones that complimented on her hair that was still important to her so are Kushina thoughts also shallow  not to mention that this two scenes are linked to each other .       

 

I don't think you understand what i'm trying to say in here , i'm not saying that bringing the bench scene should be brought up so she can come to the realization that he's a terrible person now what i'm saying is that it should be brought up so it can shatter the thought that he ever was this caring and gentle person to even begin with because that guy never even existed the chapters you are mentioning doesn't do that . There is a difference from  being caring gentle to becoming terrible person and never being gentle caring to begin with change is the key word in here , also you are saying that she saw him as "prince charming" for one instant/moment but that's all it's needed for a person to change his views fall in love etc . I don't think that something that was introduced as false to a character not being cleared up ever again especially in a piece of literature such as manga and especially not when the author says that he will finish his story conclusively not clearing this scene up would be like Sasuke killing Itachi but never knowing the truth about him .  

[Inferno180]

I think its evident though that there are some things that should happen in one way or another, some that at times sound like wishful thinking but could otherwise be well, revelation based on Sakura.

 

For one thing, yes many of us are wondering if there ever will be a reveal to her that Naruto was the one who complimented her that day, not to make her go for him but to surprise her that the one she intially thought was sasuke, wasn't really him.

 

Some of us could suspect the possibility of a fallback to what Yamato said, given what has happened recently, Sakura didnt have the skills to save Naruto, I mean she helped but if anything, it was scenes like 663 with the hokage stuff that more or less resonated with the "feelings" more than "what she can do for him" as yamato said.

 

I mean yes it is wishful thinking, but considering the Kushina foreshadow may get built on again, its just something that I found funny:

 

-While most other fans either ignore or dismiss it being so long ago or take it as a joke trying to use the "realism approach" like Yamato, Sai, Minato don't know Naruto or Sakura, etc. Its not up to them to figure out, its rather well, its up to the reader.

 

The biggest irony I find is that people still just assume Sakura will never change or despite the stuff we may have thought that would have occured with Hinata never did. I mean its funny though, no matter what has happened, even with HInatas 2 big moments, there hasn't been any scenes with say Naruto on her alone, I mean the Pain event was well, a shocker but he hadn't experienced "losing" a friend, then he met Minato, everything was fine. With 615, well yeah that involved Neji too, it was neji's death, Naruto didn't focus on her feelings. What I mean we, we have not gotten a scene with Naruto focusing on how Hinata feels about him.

 

Likewise, its just again, I find it so ironic that for NH to just happen, why get scenes like the jinchurki speech from Chiyo,  4 tails or Sai's revelation to her and we get these events where Sakura is concerned about Naruto's wellbeing or something she couldn't do/has done to him? I mean the kushina foreshadow was one thing but this is another.

 

I guess my point is, I find NH ironic, people expect it to come, people think it is the endgame, yet throughout part 2 we get so many events which have either:

 

Given focus on how Naruto or Sakura in one way think of the other or feel for the other (4 tails event and Sai's revelation for one thing) 457 otherwise I guess we can say it was from Naruto too being in a flashback he had of her, all I'm saying is, it wasn't Hinata's confession, it was Sai's revelation that had Naruto reveal why he had not yet confessed and kishi was otherwise showing a reason on Naruto's part himself when it came to her.

 

The thing I don't get that many never said is, even if NS did die in 469, just what was the significance of a scene like 457? Was Sai's interpretation wrong? Is Naruto just given up on her despite the other reasons for her actions in the land of iron? We never had some major notion from Naruto to Hinata like this, we still haven't when it came to his own feelings. Thats what I find ironic.

 

NH either:

 

Hasn't gotten the attention it needs, missing scenes in which kishi has given some detail to the feelings of both Naruto and Hinata, As he has with Naruto and Sakura

 

or

 

if NH was really going to win, kishi could have expaned it so much by now, I mean there were perfect opportunities, he could have had Naruto and HInata talk before he left for the island, they could have joined in some fight before nejis death, Hinata could have taken a role like Shikamaru in the ten tails fight (in terms of moderate support), she could have been around longer, but no 631 and 662 still happened the way they did.

 

This is what I find truely ironic.

 

When I first saw Hinata, I saw "potential love interest" that was understandable, same deal as Sakura save Hinata liked Naruto but was shy. When 437 came, it was well, maybe things may change. Many chapters later, nothing. 615 came, well thats a shocker, and then again, not much, 662 Hinata falls, again, there is a chance kishi could make for a setup, but he doesn't do a dam thing. Its at the point because he actually chose to do other stuff with NS, he is starting to create a lockout effect, by all means, characters cannot change mentalties of who they love at once, if Hinata is already limited, the time Kishi has to develop NH if he was serious has just taken a bigger spill from 662. I mean in this lockout effect, if his intent is really NS, there is no way kishi can bring NH without first having to address the 631 issue, if that wasn't in a way a plot element, even minor, I don't know what it would even be entailing. Its the same way with just how similar he made Sakura and Kushina, he didnt need to, he could have made Kushina shy and timid around Minato, but he didn't. Now with Hinata missing out on the heroes biggest need, even failing to support him, this has got me just saying, what does he entail to do?

 

It was like Hinata had so much potential, even from 615, but now I don't have that impression, my impression is that it will be overstated too much even in the anime, in the manga, all I got from Hinata is, the same deal we got for the majority of her before even the pain event, yes kishi, we know goddamned well Hinata loves Naruto, but are you either going to make some change here or are you going to keep her on repeat like the past 600+ chapters? You only gave us 2 real instances she did something different and didn't follow up on it, its again use her or lose her. Literally, its going to be harder to see just how does he even write her in at this point. This is what I find ironic. Its just the anime may again make a big mountain out of her one event which again went unaddressed and its just literally, NH is more show, no actuallity, thats what it is becoming.

 

I said Hinata is more of a plot device at this point many times and this is why I find the whole idea of NH ironic, it was expected stuff would come, but it hasn't and what is known to come at some point, just otherwise meets difficulties elsewhere. 631 being the primary one, I mean hey people can say it was a joke, but kishi had time to put a small NS deal in and still made Hinata miss out on saving naruto. Thats a bit to think about.

Edited by Inferno180, 15 April 2014 - 12:22 AM.

[KeikoxYusuke]

I do not intend to break your enthusiasm bro, but the tailed beast do not know about the CPR thing  (Wish they knew). The only one who seems to know about the indirect kiss is Gaara and maybe Yin Kurama and Minato. Even I can't wait when he finds out how frantic Sakura had got to save him ^_^. It will be such a warm/comedic(Its Naruto we are talking about here XD) scene to unfold IF Naruto gets to know Sakura's efforts(Which I suppose he will). And btw, not favoring Sasuke/SS here, but Sakura seems to unaware of Sasuke's condition, so technically 'caring' doesn't come into picture. But I suppose she'd have still gone with Naruto even if she knew Sasuke's condition. YYEEESSS!! Naruto is always on her mind nowadays ^_^. Its not too long before he makes an entry into her heart, too ^_^. But, nevertheless, I again hope that things turn out in one of the ways as you/ you guys say and we get to see a cute/warm/electric or anyhow an NS moment ^_^ 

 

Well, they knew about Naruto's kissing Sasuke...So is it really such a reach that it might get mentioned? 

 

As far as I know, they weren't there to see that moment with Naruto and Sasuke ( poor boys, they wanted to vomit afterwards...lol..) 

 

so anyway, IDK...maybe I really am being too hopeful, but then again...It doesn't seem that farfetched to me.

[Gojira]

I'm starting to wonder if the CPR was one of Kishi's many symbolisms or if it was just his way of throwing a bone to the shipping fans.

I mean there was no real reason to have Sakura give Naruto CPR since she only does it for a couple of panels and simply pumps his heart the rest of the time.

This is why I'm starting to wonder if chapter 663 is connected with chapter 572 and is going to lead up to something comical in the future.

[TouKen4Life3g]

So what did I miss?

[Gojira]

So what did I miss?

whether or not Kishi will go back to chapter 3 or not, Inferno is talking about why NH has no chance in hell and I'm pondering whether or not 572 and 663 are connected.

[TouKen4Life3g]

I see. I believe chapter 3 will happen once again. Kishi is all about full circle. NH, yeah, no chance for me as well. And well, what do you mean about the connection with those two?

[Gojira]

I see. I believe chapter 3 will happen once again. Kishi is all about full circle. NH, yeah, no chance for me as well. And well, what do you mean about the connection with those two?

http://www.mangapanda.com/naruto/572/6
http://www.mangapand...m/naruto/663/15

I mean there was no real reason to have Sakura give Naruto CPR since she only does it for a couple of panels and simply pumps his heart the rest of the time.

This is why I'm starting to wonder if chapter 663 is connected with chapter 572 and is going to lead up to something comical in the future.

[TouKen4Life3g]

Oh I know what you mean. Well, all Bijuus were there, so...Hm...Well, time will tell.

[narusaku256]

And that's exactly why I call it a 'kiss'. Even if there was some significant reason for Sakura to give him a CPR she would have continued doing it just like manually pumping his heart, as in her duty as a top knotch medic. But NO! She did it just for some couple of moments. Why would Kishi break it if it was 'just' a CPR? It was meant to be a romantic one, but the way it was portrayed and the situation made it seem non-romantic. It was an NS moment even if we don't take her thoughts into consideration. It was a kiss but portrayed as a CPR or to put it in better words, a romantic moment portrayed having a non-romantic effect due to being portrayed as a necessity of the situation.

Edited by narusaku256, 15 April 2014 - 07:36 AM.

[Sakamaki Izayoi]

I'm starting to wonder if the CPR was one of Kishi's many symbolisms or if it was just his way of throwing a bone to the shipping fans.

I mean there was no real reason to have Sakura give Naruto CPR since she only does it for a couple of panels and simply pumps his heart the rest of the time.

This is why I'm starting to wonder if chapter 663 is connected with chapter 572 and is going to lead up to something comical in the future.

I think none of them.
The reason for CPR was to put air on Naruto's lungs along with pumping his heart to start the respiration process.

I dont know if Naruto is aware of this.

[BakeNeko-Chan]

@baka Neko
I'm just curious, but what you expect from sakura character and As a heroine of this series?

 

My expectations really aren't all that lofty, I would expect from Sakura what I expect from any heroine -- to be relevant in the main plot and to have proper development. Sakura had good development over most of the series, but she's definitely lacking in relevancy. Kishi's even gone so far as to diminish her role in the team 7 conflict so he can put the spotlight firmly on Naruto and Sasuke.

 

Darkrerst said, "It's impossible to separate Sakura from the romance subplot." He and I don't always agree, but on that I think he's right, Sakura's conflict is limited to the question of 'who does she love?'

 

Throughout this war, Kishimoto has continuously skipped over any opportunity to give Sakura individual attention -- where it didn't directly involve Naruto or her confused feelings for Sasuke. She could have fought against the seven swordsmen of the mist; she was right there on the battlefield, but that scene was totally bypassed and the next time we see her she's in the healing tent with the love letter nin. She could have had a reunion with Chiyo, who was shown to be among the Edo Tensei, but nope.

 

She had her brief shining moment when she revealed the byakugou seal, but it kind of seems like Kishi was trying to make up for something he should have done years ago and Sakura faded into the background shortly after, only becoming involved again when Naruto was dying. And if the latest chapter is anything to go by, Sakura is headed for the background once more. This pattern is something I find very frustrating.

 

Do you get what I'm saying? Sakura's role is limited in a way it shouldn't have to be and she's been progressively separated from the main plot. All that's left for her is to realize her feelings for Naruto and become his wife, and I find that disappointing because she has the potential for so much more.

 

If Kishi ends up giving her something more, great, but at this late point in the manga it seems highly doubtful. When so many opportunities have been thrown away, what else is even left for her?

Edited by BakeNeko-Chan, 15 April 2014 - 04:41 PM.

[narulsaku]

I think none of them.
The reason for CPR was to put air on Naruto's lungs along with pumping his heart to start the respiration process.
I dont know if Naruto is aware of this.

this

and i also dont think that naruto knows about the cpr

And that's exactly why I call it a 'kiss'. Even if there was some significant reason for Sakura to give him a CPR she would have continued doing it just like manually pumping his heart, as in her duty as a top knotch medic. But NO! She did it just for some couple of moments. Why would Kishi break it if it was 'just' a CPR? It was meant to be a romantic one, but the way it was portrayed and the situation made it seem non-romantic. It was an NS moment even if we don't take her thoughts into consideration. It was a kiss but portrayed as a CPR or to put it in better words, a romantic moment portrayed having a non-romantic effect due to being portrayed as a necessity of the situation. 

dont get me wrong my friend , i think we are over thinking it no matter how much we try i wont be a romantic scene IMO. I thinks its part of the treatment as darkerset said just to pump air in to his lungs . But i am upset that we didnt get any ns interaction after narutos healing. Sad

Edited by narulsaku, 15 April 2014 - 06:16 PM.

[Gojira]

But then what was the point of the CPR if it wasn't going to be used later?

She only gave him CPR for like 30 seconds and spends the rest of the time just pumping his heart with chakra.

[sushi.]

But then what was the point of the CPR if it wasn't going to be used later?

She only gave him CPR for like 30 seconds and spends the rest of the time just pumping his heart with chakra.

TEEASE