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[Transformers03]

And yeah, that was heartwrenching to see, but that's how unselfish Jiraiya is, not wanting any confession of his feelings to compromise Tsunade's leadership. That said, I think Tsunade DID catch on to what he wanted to say.
This tragedy (along with Obito & Rin) is one of the reasons that I hope for NS, so that history doesn't repeat itself, and Naruto can break THIS cycle (along with that other one we keep hearing about), finally lay his feelings on the table and get the girl that he loves.
Of course, it's not ALL about Naruto (I have my reasons for Sakura to be part of NS), but I'm just keeping in topic with the current discussion.

366-367 to be precise

Thanks.

[ninja_salamander]

@Transformers03 - It's somewhere around the 350's I believe, just after (or not long after) the Sasuke vs Deidara fight. If you want the episode, it's 126. Hope that helped.

And yeah, that was heartwrenching to see, but that's how unselfish Jiraiya is, not wanting any confession of his feelings to compromise Tsunade's leadership. That said, I think Tsunade DID catch on to what he wanted to say.
This tragedy (along with Obito & Rin) is one of the reasons that I hope for NS, so that history doesn't repeat itself, and Naruto can break THIS cycle (along with that other one we keep hearing about), finally lay his feelings on the table and get the girl that he loves.
Of course, it's not ALL about Naruto (I have my reasons for Sakura to be part of NS), but I'm just keeping in topic with the current discussion.

Can u believe that the unselfishness Naruto shows was used against me in a debate thread on some site where some SS fans were saying that Naruto does not love sakura because he never says it to anyone which at that time was also a lie and I was happy that kishi made naruto say to sai about him loving sakura otherwise those people would have still used naruto unselfish attitude against NS. Though, I think they must have found any other excuse against NS now.

The biggest problem for NS I think is how kishi made Sakura's feelings towards sasuke so prominent and made her ignore Naruto whenever she was around sasuke in part 1 that I myself sometimes think that Naruto should not have fallen for sakura and I start bashing her in my thoughts and sometimes other people as well.

Edited by ninja_salamander, 25 June 2012 - 01:37 PM.

[Branden]

Well this place is getting boring so let me add another topic.

Naruto Road to ninja trailer 4 has been released. From what we can see Sasuke is a good guy now who is obviously into Sakura. Also Hinata yelling at Naruto. Already this much has me extremely excited for this movie because everything is completely backwords. But that brings me to my next point, is Kishimoto just trolling all the SasuSaku fans and Hinata fans? Is he trying to give us some hints towards something? I'm mainly just saying this to add some topics for discussion. Go watch the trailer and see for yourself : Trailer 4

[ninja_salamander]

Since the movie is personally been looked after by kishi if I see sakura somehow wishing that the sasuke was real and should be giving him a flower and she is shown to want to be with him I will unfortunately consider NS as good as dead. It doesn't mean i will say SS can happen but I won't like to see NS happening because it will be unfair to Naruto. I mean why should Naruto become second choice of a girl when he has done so many things for her and for the world. And the one thing I certainly don't want is that sakura accepts naruto just because sasuke dies or she feels he can't come back to her. Naruto doesn't have to give a kitten about sakura if that girl still is shown to love sasuke, Even if is in the movie only.

[Dalton.T.R]

http://www.youtube.c...k...nel&list=UL

Oh yeah. This girl knows what's up!

[God of All Shinobi]

Dalton? as in WritingMAnik on youtube?

and well, I dont know what gonna happen in the movie, however I do hope we get some NS moments in the manga. I'm getting very worried for my parings, my friend (an avid NH fan) and I have a kinda bet going. The thing is I usually make intelligent remarks and can axe down any argument he poses. However in this he is confident he is right, so know I hope we got some good NS stuff soon.

Edited by God of All Shinobi, 25 June 2012 - 08:42 PM.

[Transformers03]

We keep talking about Narusaku proof, but we hardly bring up what the Naruhina considers to be proof. Unless the usual Blood Vow, Confession, and ''I see it in your eyes'' things are the only REAL proofs they have, then what is there to worry about others.

[Branden]

Since the movie is personally been looked after by kishi if I see sakura somehow wishing that the sasuke was real and should be giving him a flower and she is shown to want to be with him I will unfortunately consider NS as good as dead. It doesn't mean i will say SS can happen but I won't like to see NS happening because it will be unfair to Naruto. I mean why should Naruto become second choice of a girl when he has done so many things for her and for the world. And the one thing I certainly don't want is that sakura accepts naruto just because sasuke dies or she feels he can't come back to her. Naruto doesn't have to give a kitten about sakura if that girl still is shown to love sasuke, Even if is in the movie only.

We discussed this on page 69....


somebody wrote :
"I strongly believe that NaruSaku doesn't need a good Sasuke for Sakura to choose Naruto over Sasuke, some of us only think that way because we want to shut up the NH and SS fan that will say that NaruSaku only happen because Sasuke was not around.

Many of us know that Sakura only had a strong crush for Sasuke and it never develops, she likes Sasuke because Kishi wants her to like him, but at this point we can clearly see who Sakura trust, care for, believe in, choose and have deeper feelings for, plus in a situation of life and death between the two guys we know who she really don't want to miss/lose.

Lets face it our pride is the only thing that drives us to wish for Sakura to choose Naruto over a good Sasuke to throw it in the face of the fans who spend time saying that NS only happen because Sasuke was not around."

to which I replied

"You can try to eleborate all you want. But your still wrong. My thoughts are that if NS happens in a way that ignores the fact she has loved Sasuke, then the entire point of this struggle would be disregarded. Sakura needs to have her feelings resolved in a way that cannot be doubted. A way that has absolute 0 speculation. If next chapter Sakura and Naruto get together then I'll be done with this couple entirely and I'll be gone from this website. Kishimoto needs to resolve the problems he's put into this couple if he wants me to respect it.

Let me give you an example, just give me a second to put my fan fiction gloves on.
_______________________________________________
After the edo tensei is release the jinchiriki die leaving behind the tailed beasts, however the tailed beasts think Naruto will try to merge them all so they revolt. After a long fight the tailed beasts are sealed away, and Naruto lies bleeding to death in the rain. Sakura's squad shows up to aid them. Sakura sees Naruto bleeding and rushes over to save him. She starts healing him but there's no response. Sakura cry's over Naruto and then pulls him into a hug then whispers "Please Naruto, don't leave me, I love you." Naruto hugs her back with a smile on his face. "Please don't cry Sakura"
_______________________________________________
I'll leave the rest of that fan fiction up to you.


Now what was wrong with that? It seems fine right? Sakura realized her feelings for Naruto and everybody lived happily ever after . Right?

No. Just no. Sakura already loves Naruto, and the reason Naruto didn't accept that is because he knows she still loves Sasuke."



read that if you wish...

[Konoha'sCrimsonFox]

Since the movie is personally been looked after by kishi if I see sakura somehow wishing that the sasuke was real and should be giving him a flower and she is shown to want to be with him I will unfortunately consider NS as good as dead. It doesn't mean i will say SS can happen but I won't like to see NS happening because it will be unfair to Naruto. I mean why should Naruto become second choice of a girl when he has done so many things for her and for the world. And the one thing I certainly don't want is that sakura accepts naruto just because sasuke dies or she feels he can't come back to her. Naruto doesn't have to give a kitten about sakura if that girl still is shown to love sasuke, Even if is in the movie only.

it's too early to assume that NS is 100% dead. The movie will not have a impact on the manga.

[Transformers03]

it's too early to assume that NS is 100% dead. The movie will not have a impact on the manga.

It's not even 90% dead......or 80..........or 70...........or 50...........or 30................................

[Don-kun]

We discussed this on page 69....


somebody wrote :
"I strongly believe that NaruSaku doesn't need a good Sasuke for Sakura to choose Naruto over Sasuke, some of us only think that way because we want to shut up the NH and SS fan that will say that NaruSaku only happen because Sasuke was not around.

Many of us know that Sakura only had a strong crush for Sasuke and it never develops, she likes Sasuke because Kishi wants her to like him, but at this point we can clearly see who Sakura trust, care for, believe in, choose and have deeper feelings for, plus in a situation of life and death between the two guys we know who she really don't want to miss/lose.

Lets face it our pride is the only thing that drives us to wish for Sakura to choose Naruto over a good Sasuke to throw it in the face of the fans who spend time saying that NS only happen because Sasuke was not around."

to which I replied

"You can try to eleborate all you want. But your still wrong. My thoughts are that if NS happens in a way that ignores the fact she has loved Sasuke, then the entire point of this struggle would be disregarded. Sakura needs to have her feelings resolved in a way that cannot be doubted. A way that has absolute 0 speculation. If next chapter Sakura and Naruto get together then I'll be done with this couple entirely and I'll be gone from this website. Kishimoto needs to resolve the problems he's put into this couple if he wants me to respect it.

Let me give you an example, just give me a second to put my fan fiction gloves on.
_______________________________________________
After the edo tensei is release the jinchiriki die leaving behind the tailed beasts, however the tailed beasts think Naruto will try to merge them all so they revolt. After a long fight the tailed beasts are sealed away, and Naruto lies bleeding to death in the rain. Sakura's squad shows up to aid them. Sakura sees Naruto bleeding and rushes over to save him. She starts healing him but there's no response. Sakura cry's over Naruto and then pulls him into a hug then whispers "Please Naruto, don't leave me, I love you." Naruto hugs her back with a smile on his face. "Please don't cry Sakura"
_______________________________________________
I'll leave the rest of that fan fiction up to you.


Now what was wrong with that? It seems fine right? Sakura realized her feelings for Naruto and everybody lived happily ever after . Right?

No. Just no. Sakura already loves Naruto, and the reason Naruto didn't accept that is because he knows she still loves Sasuke."



read that if you wish...

Says who? The guy who feels Kishi should declare Naruto and Sakura friends that way Sasuke and Hinata would not be left out. Grow up kid if you don't agree with my post just ignore it, you're going on like if I offended your mother or something.


Again grow up, you act like a baby crying for his bottle.

[Gravenimage]

Says who? The guy who feels Kishi should declare Naruto and Sakura friends that way Sasuke and Hinata would not be left out. Grow up kid if you don't agree with my post just ignore it, you're going on like if I offended your mother or something.


Again grow up, you act like a baby crying for his bottle.

Easy no bashing let's respect the rules. Agree to disagree okay?

[Nate River]

Says who? The guy who feels Kishi should declare Naruto and Sakura friends that way Sasuke and Hinata would not be left out. Grow up kid if you don't agree with my post just ignore it, you're going on like if I offended your mother or something.


Again grow up, you act like a baby crying for his bottle.

If you dislike the argument then explain why it's wrong, don't hurl insults. Here's the rule that is at the top of the page every time you post in this thread:

Be nice and treat others with respect.
Refrain from character bashing

[Don-kun]

If you dislike the argument then explain why it's wrong, don't hurl insults. Here's the rule that is at the top of the page every time you post in this thread:

I know Nate I'm sorry. I have a lot of thing to say against this user, but I will save it and ignore him in the future.

[Konoha'sCrimsonFox]

We discussed this on page 69....


somebody wrote :
"I strongly believe that NaruSaku doesn't need a good Sasuke for Sakura to choose Naruto over Sasuke, some of us only think that way because we want to shut up the NH and SS fan that will say that NaruSaku only happen because Sasuke was not around.

Many of us know that Sakura only had a strong crush for Sasuke and it never develops, she likes Sasuke because Kishi wants her to like him, but at this point we can clearly see who Sakura trust, care for, believe in, choose and have deeper feelings for, plus in a situation of life and death between the two guys we know who she really don't want to miss/lose.

Lets face it our pride is the only thing that drives us to wish for Sakura to choose Naruto over a good Sasuke to throw it in the face of the fans who spend time saying that NS only happen because Sasuke was not around."

to which I replied

"You can try to eleborate all you want. But your still wrong. My thoughts are that if NS happens in a way that ignores the fact she has loved Sasuke, then the entire point of this struggle would be disregarded. Sakura needs to have her feelings resolved in a way that cannot be doubted. A way that has absolute 0 speculation. If next chapter Sakura and Naruto get together then I'll be done with this couple entirely and I'll be gone from this website. Kishimoto needs to resolve the problems he's put into this couple if he wants me to respect it.

Let me give you an example, just give me a second to put my fan fiction gloves on.
_______________________________________________
After the edo tensei is release the jinchiriki die leaving behind the tailed beasts, however the tailed beasts think Naruto will try to merge them all so they revolt. After a long fight the tailed beasts are sealed away, and Naruto lies bleeding to death in the rain. Sakura's squad shows up to aid them. Sakura sees Naruto bleeding and rushes over to save him. She starts healing him but there's no response. Sakura cry's over Naruto and then pulls him into a hug then whispers "Please Naruto, don't leave me, I love you." Naruto hugs her back with a smile on his face. "Please don't cry Sakura"
_______________________________________________
I'll leave the rest of that fan fiction up to you.


Now what was wrong with that? It seems fine right? Sakura realized her feelings for Naruto and everybody lived happily ever after . Right?

No. Just no. Sakura already loves Naruto, and the reason Naruto didn't accept that is because he knows she still loves Sasuke."



read that if you wish...

Finally I have time to reply to this.

Dude, you really have issues. Couple weeks ago, you were ranting how much Sakura's character was so weak, compared to others. Now you're saying that Sakura should resolve her problems she has for loving Sasuke. I do respect that at a certain level, but lashing out people's posts and believes is something that shoudn't be tolerated. By all means, you deserve the bashing you received by NS Means Logic. I know I'm braking the rules by saying this.

[Branden]

I still think your all taking this too seriously, how do you read my posts? It sounds like your just reading my posts like I'm yelling. Read all of my posts with a happy Australian or British accent and then respond. Kind of ridiculous but it should help a lot of you stay calm instead of raging like ns means logic. It simply amazes me how mad alot of users get over opinions that aren't there own. They even ignore things I say multiple times that explain just about every problem they have with me. It's kind of sad in a way but we all have to deal with ignorance.

[Verilance]

Not sure where to put this rant so I will put it here...

Why do people insist just because the relationships in Naruto are confusing and difficult, it is just bad writing??

Maybe it is because I am older than most here (if not all ) but in the real world that is just what relationships are,

The drama that I hear about daily in my workplace makes Naruto cut and dry, Things in the world of love are often messy and filled with as much pain as joy.

it doesn't have to be the case but it often is,

people hurt each other without meaning too all the time I have done so myself and unfortunately continue to do so despite the fact that I should know better it is just the foibles of human nature.

Edited by Verilance, 26 June 2012 - 03:25 AM.

[kirabook]

Because, most people believe fictional romance should always be perfect with perfect characters who don't make mistakes. They always do what they do intentionally, mistakes are impossible for imaginary people modeled after real people. Or so they think.

Then there are some authors that try to over compensate for RL drama, that is where those terrible sappy soap opera's come into play or the truly terribly written shoujo where the romance drama never stops. -not all shoujo, there are really some excellent shoujo-

Edited by kirabook, 26 June 2012 - 04:22 AM.

[jworks]

In my opinion the confusion and ambiguity with the romance in Naruto is excellent writing. For one it has gotten us (and the sum of all the pairing fandoms) to discuss and speculate to no end because we are actively engaged in the story. How damn boring would it be if Naruto and Sakura got together already? I think quite boring.

Now, that being said, I believe reality is often irrelevant to writing. Just because love and relationships are usually a certain way in real life does not mean that is how it should be modeled in a story. I think the only good 'reality' does for writing is as a reference for believability.

[Konoha'sCrimsonFox]

I still think your all taking this too seriously, how do you read my posts? It sounds like your just reading my posts like I'm yelling. Read all of my posts with a happy Australian or British accent and then respond. Kind of ridiculous but it should help a lot of you stay calm instead of raging like ns means logic. It simply amazes me how mad alot of users get over opinions that aren't there own. They even ignore things I say multiple times that explain just about every problem they have with me. It's kind of sad in a way but we all have to deal with ignorance.

Like I said, I do respect that you want Sakura to get over Sasuke 100%, just as much I agree with NS Means Logic statement that Sakura does not need a good Sasuke to choose Naruto over him. The problem lies in all the copy post and writing your comments in between that gave me the notion that you was being ridicule and imprudent that user's posts. If that's the case, it's no wander why you received a whip lash, which cracked me up. And ironically, that us NS fans are on the same page, and you're not. Although, I think its the negative opinion you have over NS, especially Sakura. If I'm wrong. Care to enlighten me?