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Posted 14 April 2013 - 04:42 AM

QUOTE (NaruSaku4Life3g @ Apr 14 2013, 04:33 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Unless it exceeds Dead Space 3 love triangle, I think we be ok. I doubt we will go that deep. Just have to wait.

I think we can all agree on one thing though. If overcoming Sasuke is part of her development, then going straight back to him would be a serious regression of her character which is why it is unlikely.

Edited by Shadow1275, 14 April 2013 - 04:43 AM.

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Posted 14 April 2013 - 04:47 AM

@merryGOflava

Thanks for the scan. But actually if you look closely it seems that yours and the one I previously posted seem to be of different publications since the descriptions and surroundings are slightly altered. Yet both of them go out of their way to say that Sakura used to have a crush on Sasuke.

That's interesting to say the least.

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Posted 14 April 2013 - 04:48 AM

QUOTE (NaruSaku4Life3g @ Apr 14 2013, 11:33 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Unless it exceeds Dead Space 3 love triangle, I think we be ok. I doubt we will go that deep. Just have to wait.


what happen with dead space 3 love triangle?

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Posted 14 April 2013 - 04:53 AM

QUOTE (redragon88 @ Apr 14 2013, 04:47 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
@merryGOflava

Thanks for the scan. But actually if you look closely it seems that yours and the one I previously posted seem to be of different publications since the descriptions and surroundings are slightly altered. Yet both of them go out of their way to say that Sakura used to have a crush on Sasuke.

That's interesting to say the least.



hmmmm º 3º....thats weird.

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Posted 14 April 2013 - 04:54 AM

QUOTE (redragon88 @ Apr 14 2013, 12:47 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
@merryGOflava

Thanks for the scan. But actually if you look closely it seems that yours and the one I previously posted seem to be of different publications since the descriptions and surroundings are slightly altered. Yet both of them go out of their way to say that Sakura used to have a crush on Sasuke.

That's interesting to say the least.

Really? Hm. What a mystery.

Btw, that Chatte translation. Is it that accurate? That does really change the tide of everything, but we shall wait.

QUOTE (rocci @ Apr 14 2013, 12:48 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
what happen with dead space 3 love triangle?

Sigh. Ok. Well, it's very typical. Almost too typical. The main love interest loves some captain, who is a jerk, and you act like a jerk. They fight back to back, blah blah blah. Ugh, very unnecessary. I came to get scared, not being loved in a very cliche love triangle. It's bad. Trust me.

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Posted 14 April 2013 - 04:55 AM

QUOTE (Baguette @ Apr 13 2013, 10:28 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Rather, it's a conclusion made in retrospection.


As a NS fan this is one of the panels that bother me the most, while I try not to analyze it too much and only go by the interpretation of the lest biased NS fan. Today I will give my honest opinion.

Now some will disagree with me for this but I will give my view point based on the newest chapter revelation vs what I thought the panel said.
I always thought that the lover nin said that if it's someone that you like then they must to be a great person.
Something Sakura will clearly disagree with since Sasuke is not a great person.

Reality:
The lover nin said if it's someone that you like then they are bound to be a great person.
The interpretation could be how Sasuke will become a great man if he is evil right now and vow to kill my friend and destroy my homeland causing Sakura to feel depressed and sad.

Now if Kishi wants to keep Sh***ng on Naruto's effort, save Sasuke so far, feelings, character on his own story he can easily make Sasuke help save the save the Shinobi world and while everyone is congratulating him and Naruto Sakura could remember the lover nin words and smile tenderly.

For this to happen Kishi will need to prioritize Sasuke over his story consistency and display a huge favoritism when it comes to Sasuke over Naruto.

Or maybe I could be completely wrong while over thinking on something that doesn't make any sense.


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Posted 14 April 2013 - 05:04 AM

QUOTE (Don-kun @ Apr 13 2013, 09:55 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
As a NS fan this is one of the panels that bother me the most, while I try not to analyze it too much and only go by the interpretation of the lest biased NS fan. Today I will give my honest opinion.

Now some will disagree with me for this but I will give my view point based on the newest chapter revelation vs what I thought the panel said.
I always thought that the lover nin said that if it's someone that you like then they must to be a great person.
Something Sakura will clearly disagree with since Sasuke is not a great person.

Reality:
The lover nin said if it's someone that you like then they are bound to be a great person.
The interpretation could be how Sasuke will become a great man if he is evil right now and vow to kill my friend and destroy my homeland causing Sakura to feel depressed and sad.

Now if Kishi wants to keep Sh***ng on Naruto's effort, save Sasuke so far, feelings, character on his own story he can easily make Sasuke help save the save the Shinobi world and while everyone is congratulating him and Naruto Sakura could remember the lover nin words and smile tenderly.

For this to happen Kishi will need to prioritize Sasuke over his story consistency and display a huge favoritism when it comes to Sasuke over Naruto.

Or maybe I could be completely wrong while over thinking on something that doesn't make any sense.

Honestly, this whole love square has become a total headache, and it's starting to put a damper on my enjoyment of the series. I might just take Codus's advice and switch over to something more straightforward like Fairy Tail instead. Or maybe I should go read a book. I miss books. th_twitchsmile.gif

Edited by Baguette, 14 April 2013 - 05:04 AM.


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Posted 14 April 2013 - 05:04 AM

QUOTE (Don-kun @ Apr 14 2013, 04:55 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
As a NS fan this is one of the panels that bother me the most, while I try not to analyze it too much and only go by the interpretation of the lest biased NS fan. Today I will give my honest opinion.

Now some will disagree with me for this but I will give my view point based on the newest chapter revelation vs what I thought the panel said.
I always thought that the lover nin said that if it's someone that you like then they must to be a great person.
Something Sakura will clearly disagree with since Sasuke is not a great person.

Reality:
The lover nin said if it's someone that you like then they are bound to be a great person.
The interpretation could be how Sasuke will become a great man if he is evil right now and vow to kill my friend and destroy my homeland causing Sakura to feel depressed and sad.

Now if Kishi wants to keep Sh***ng on Naruto's effort, save Sasuke so far, feelings, character on his own story he can easily make Sasuke help save the save the Shinobi world and while everyone is congratulating him and Naruto Sakura could remember the lover nin words and smile tenderly.

For this to happen Kishi will need to prioritize Sasuke over his story consistency and display a huge favoritism when it comes to Sasuke over Naruto.

Or maybe I could be completely wrong while over thinking on something that doesn't make any sense.

It depends though. When someone is saying that someone else is bound to be, in this connotation it means pre-determined or certain. When a stranger uses this, they are saying that they assume the person they are referring to already has the characteristics described. In other words, he was saying: Whoever this person is is already or certainly a good man.

However, if you know the person, then it is a prediction. For example: My friend is bound to be a lawyer.

Edited by Shadow1275, 14 April 2013 - 05:05 AM.

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Posted 14 April 2013 - 05:06 AM

QUOTE (Baguette @ Apr 14 2013, 01:04 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Honestly, this whole love square has become a total headache, and it's starting to put a damper on my enjoyment of the series. I might just take Codus's advice and switch over to something more straightforward like Fairy Tail instead. Or maybe I should go read a book. I miss books. th_twitchsmile.gif

You could do that. Ease up from this. To me, I think many will be solved in the next volume. So yeah, it should be much clearer soon. Really soon. In the meantime, just sit back and do something else.

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Posted 14 April 2013 - 05:14 AM

QUOTE (Shadow1275 @ Apr 13 2013, 11:29 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
While we can only find out. But don't forget that he asked her to kill Karin. The other things to consider are that Kishi called it a selfish love, and that Sasuke has never been the romantic type and as evidenced by his reaction to Karin isn't likely to change. Why is Sakura's love selfish? Is it because Sasuke is evil? Is it because it is one-sided? Or is it because Naruto has sacrificed so much for her because he loves her? That part is vague but the fact that he said selfish means two things.

A. That this is a negative aspect of Sakura

B. Because it is negative, it will be an obstacle for her to overcome

Sasuke's motives are still unclear. Though he has pledged to protect the village, after Madara and Tobi are defeated what will he do next? Personally I don't buy the whole redeemed idea, however considering we haven't gotten a new chapter yet:

How were Hashirama and Itachi able to keep peace? Through power. Hashirama killed Madara[or severely injured him] when they fought, effectively ending his threat to stability. Itachi murdered his whole clan in order to preserve that stability.
Because of this Sasuke will most likely take a totalitarian approach after this war ends.

Naruto, whose mentors have supported an alternative to power for peace will consider bonds the way to maintain peace.

They will clash and as long as Sasuke believes that power is the way, then Sakura cannot support him and he has not changed.


Sakura fell in love with Sasuke but again it was an idealistic one, basically every young girl in their class save hinata had a crush on Sasuke. Sasuke was just the ideal preception of them, but remember sakura was young and did not know this, until the rescue from gaara and promise, she did not take naruto as much. Naruto gradually proved himself and she did learn that Sasuke was not perfect. This far into the series though she can have the feelings based on one part drama, I mean it has to be on her for a while longer to in effect get over Sasuke after she saw what he became, but it's also due to her should she reflect on what naruto did with and for her and in the same way she did it for him. Even with new Sasuke, one thing remains in effect, she knows he never loved her yet naruto does. Sakura is aware of his love for her and naruto is not aware she knows, one thing about maturity is sakura learning that naruto did efforts for her and she for for him. She is aware someone loves her and has reason for it, basically over the shared pains, sakura is close to naruto and considers him very important.

Even with new Sasuke, this does not change the fact of what happened in the past and unless Kishi really wants to hit the sucidie button on Sakura's character development, then he would have her go back to Sasuke but I feel that even with new Sasuke she would take naruto over him because it was naruto who made her strong and she made him stronger.

Aside from the long development, parallels, layout of the story, and unanswered questions with her mainly chp 540 and 615 moments with her, I feel narusaku will come by in a few ways,

Narutos I hate people who lie to themselves, it may hit her where it matters, she can be in a state of confusion for all we know or letting go of him, but in maturity one thing that happens is characters become honest with themselves, naruto had to be honest with himself for his dark side, he never showed any hatred to the villagers for the longest time in the series yet he still harbors it deep within cause it though his first bonds made him better and saved him from loneliness, he still had the experiences of the past come on him again and again in parts 1 and 2. Naruto was honest with himself and had to believe in himself to let go of his hate. Sakura can do the same with Sasuke.

Sakura needs it for her development, she still has it for story reasons but as dumb as it sounds for her to still have the ideal crush, Kishi designed sakura to represent human weakness, what is the biggest human weakness? Emotion, what is the biggest emotion? Love. Sakura is basically fighting her biggest weakness as I see it and can overcome this. It's funny how sai never noticed that as much pain she and Sasuke cause naruto pain, they are also his biggest sources of strength. Sakura draws much of her strength from naruto no doubt, that's just another in a long line of effects they have on each other. They are both sources of each others strength, sakura can find new strength in love for naruto over Sasuke which has been her weakness.

Finally, it's just basic character development, any type of sakura returning to Sasuke is bad and just would give a legitimate reason for people to hate her and prove sakura had a weak will, basically the biggest butchering of any character in the series if Kishi went this way. I don't think he would do it, maybe come close to troll us into thinking she actually went back to Sasuke, but that would be bad. Much of Sakura's development has shown she moved away from him and towards naruto, much of their biggest moments had great emotional impact on the other. Sakura cried over naruto 3 or 4 times now right? Those were real feelings she had for him. She cares and has close feelings for him, that's a fact. Her development just also goes full circle for her to have hated naruto in the start and end by loving him. It's pure and simple, her development this late is slow and a form of dramatic struggle internally for her. Sasuke cannot just take back his actions, unless Kishi really just wants a cheap easy way out and a one way ticket to butchering Sakura's development and purpose on the journey to help naruto in the first place, then he makes her love Sasuke again, when there was never a reason for her to do it. Naruto there is a reason. Sasuke bad for sakura, naruto good for sakura, it's funny how from a character design point and even the story this still factors in. Basically narusaku is still a good ending and gives naruto and Sakura's characters the development they need, if fulfills Sakura's full circle, she can forgive Sasuke, that's okay but not return to a love which never existed. Narusaku also gives narutos character a sense of fulfillment and a sense of a love which was struggled with but finally earned and achieved because of his efforts but also due to Sakura's for him, in the end they go together because they accept and want to be, not out of second choices or obligations, because they want to be together, that's if everything goes this way.


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Posted 14 April 2013 - 05:28 AM

QUOTE (Inferno180 @ Apr 14 2013, 05:14 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Sakura fell in love with Sasuke but again it was an idealistic one, basically every young girl in their class save hinata had a crush on Sasuke. Sasuke was just the ideal preception of them, but remember sakura was young and did not know this, until the rescue from gaara and promise, she did not take naruto as much. Naruto gradually proved himself and she did learn that Sasuke was not perfect. This far into the series though she can have the feelings based on one part drama, I mean it has to be on her for a while longer to in effect get over Sasuke after she saw what he became, but it's also due to her should she reflect on what naruto did with and for her and in the same way she did it for him. Even with new Sasuke, one thing remains in effect, she knows he never loved her yet naruto does. Sakura is aware of his love for her and naruto is not aware she knows, one thing about maturity is sakura learning that naruto did efforts for her and she for for him. She is aware someone loves her and has reason for it, basically over the shared pains, sakura is close to naruto and considers him very important.

Even with new Sasuke, this does not change the fact of what happened in the past and unless Kishi really wants to hit the sucidie button on Sakura's character development, then he would have her go back to Sasuke but I feel that even with new Sasuke she would take naruto over him because it was naruto who made her strong and she made him stronger.

Aside from the long development, parallels, layout of the story, and unanswered questions with her mainly chp 540 and 615 moments with her, I feel narusaku will come by in a few ways,

Narutos I hate people who lie to themselves, it may hit her where it matters, she can be in a state of confusion for all we know or letting go of him, but in maturity one thing that happens is characters become honest with themselves, naruto had to be honest with himself for his dark side, he never showed any hatred to the villagers for the longest time in the series yet he still harbors it deep within cause it though his first bonds made him better and saved him from loneliness, he still had the experiences of the past come on him again and again in parts 1 and 2. Naruto was honest with himself and had to believe in himself to let go of his hate. Sakura can do the same with Sasuke.

Sakura needs it for her development, she still has it for story reasons but as dumb as it sounds for her to still have the ideal crush, Kishi designed sakura to represent human weakness, what is the biggest human weakness? Emotion, what is the biggest emotion? Love. Sakura is basically fighting her biggest weakness as I see it and can overcome this. It's funny how sai never noticed that as much pain she and Sasuke cause naruto pain, they are also his biggest sources of strength. Sakura draws much of her strength from naruto no doubt, that's just another in a long line of effects they have on each other. They are both sources of each others strength, sakura can find new strength in love for naruto over Sasuke which has been her weakness.

Finally, it's just basic character development, any type of sakura returning to Sasuke is bad and just would give a legitimate reason for people to hate her and prove sakura had a weak will, basically the biggest butchering of any character in the series if Kishi went this way. I don't think he would do it, maybe come close to troll us into thinking she actually went back to Sasuke, but that would be bad. Much of Sakura's development has shown she moved away from him and towards naruto, much of their biggest moments had great emotional impact on the other. Sakura cried over naruto 3 or 4 times now right? Those were real feelings she had for him. She cares and has close feelings for him, that's a fact. Her development just also goes full circle for her to have hated naruto in the start and end by loving him. It's pure and simple, her development this late is slow and a form of dramatic struggle internally for her. Sasuke cannot just take back his actions, unless Kishi really just wants a cheap easy way out and a one way ticket to butchering Sakura's development and purpose on the journey to help naruto in the first place, then he makes her love Sasuke again, when there was never a reason for her to do it. Naruto there is a reason. Sasuke bad for sakura, naruto good for sakura, it's funny how from a character design point and even the story this still factors in. Basically narusaku is still a good ending and gives naruto and Sakura's characters the development they need, if fulfills Sakura's full circle, she can forgive Sasuke, that's okay but not return to a love which never existed. Narusaku also gives narutos character a sense of fulfillment and a sense of a love which was struggled with but finally earned and achieved because of his efforts but also due to Sakura's for him, in the end they go together because they accept and want to be, not out of second choices or obligations, because they want to be together, that's if everything goes this way.

In other words, what I said with a wwhhooollleee lot more more words a_thumbs.gif

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Posted 14 April 2013 - 05:38 AM

QUOTE (Codus N @ Apr 14 2013, 01:40 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
And this is why I dropped the series. I'm sick of Kishi treating his fans like we're his playthings. It just goes to show you how he views his fans. And it's not just the pairing stuff that gets to me. 627 was the last straw for me as he finally screwed over all the Naruto vs Sasuke development.

Honestly, I'd recommend everyone to switch over to Fairy Tail. Better story-telling, better character development, and better pairings.


I doubt Kishi sees it that way. It's more like he's thinks he's getting the pairings who won't become canon (Presumably NaruHina, SasuSaku, and SasuKarin) something to enjoy towards the final stretch since they love the ship so much. He's not going to make them canon, but he's trying to soften the blow for them with some fanservice. More or less, Kishi's attempting the "trying to please everyone" tactic in storytelling which is resulting in some of his crappy plot twists pairing-wise. NaruHina, SasuKarin, and SasuSaku. This is why 615 and 627 are so frustrating. 615= Blatant NaruHina fanservice, there's no way Kishi didn't know what he was messing with there. 627= Karin's self-respect went down the toliet in that chapter all for some SasuKarin "moment" which disgusts me and only drives me to hate the ship, SasuSaku fans are getting their hopes up for a Sasuke to finally pay attention to Sakura. Honestly, he's not hiding any of this. Kishi's clearly not that serious with these pairings but he's doing it anyway. I'm assuming the pairing wars will only get worse when Sasuke mets up with Sakura and Naruto.

Kishi's playing with fire. I understand this desire for ambiguity but you don't need to purposely try to imply things that don't really mean anything, especially for the shipping fans. It's not like any of them are screaming canon (the moments, I mean; most of the fans are. facepalm.png) but he's just raising hopes up, only to piss off several groups of people in the end who would understandly feel betrayed for being misled.

Kishimoto isn't even aware of the damage he's doing to this story by these shipping teases. 469 was enough to bring out pairing ambiguity. Hell, even 540! He did not need to add little tibits like 615 for example with that much fanservice. It ruins the storytelling and affects NaruSaku, even though I have no doubt he's aiming for them. This isn't smart to do or neccessary, this is trolling and overkill.

Edited by xxRomanceGirlxx, 14 April 2013 - 05:41 AM.

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Posted 14 April 2013 - 05:39 AM

QUOTE (Shadow1275 @ Apr 14 2013, 01:04 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
It depends though. When someone is saying that someone else is bound to be, in this connotation it means pre-determined or certain. When a stranger uses this, they are saying that they assume the person they are referring to already has the characteristics described. In other words, he was saying: Whoever this person is is already or certainly a good man.

However, if you know the person, then it is a prediction. For example: My friend is bound to be a lawyer.

OK don't, you know, I know, everybody knows. laugh.gif
Joke a side, this could be the lover nin trying to say something nice since Sakura take good care of him.
But we cannot ignore that most of us already know that Sasuke will be good again before the Manga end, but how most of us thought he would be?
Naruto Hokages and alliance beating Madara and Obito, Sasuke becoming the final villain, Naruto handling him a good beating later Sasuke would receive his doze of TNJ by Naruto.

Remember being good is far different from being a great man and who does the lover nin represent?
Kishimoto input/thought.

What Sasuke is about to do now?
Fight against Madara and Obito to save the shinobi world.

What If there isn't any twist with Sasuke character and this continues?

540 and the lover nin words will become a foreshadowing by Kishi.
Sadly he didn't fallow up with any of Sakura foreshadowing.

Anyway what I just said does not fallow up with the hints, parallels, the development between Naruto and Sakura and the consistency of the story, Sakura's character growth he promise the readers, and more importantly he will just ignore the main character feelings and his selfless sacrifices, meaning that it could just be me over thinking so you can ignore everything I said.


QUOTE (NaruSaku4Life3g @ Apr 14 2013, 01:06 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
You could do that. Ease up from this. To me, I think many will be solved in the next volume. So yeah, it should be much clearer soon. Really soon. In the meantime, just sit back and do something else.


I like you style you never complicate yourself, instead of over thinking you wait fir the right answer. Is a great quality young boy. biggrin.gif

Edited by Don-kun, 14 April 2013 - 05:52 AM.


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Posted 14 April 2013 - 05:41 AM

Nice posts, you guys.

Well, this is going to be a long wait once again. Can history repeat itself? In a way, I hope so. 616 release was very satisfying. So can the next chapter or whole volume satisfy us? Well, let's hope so. I got a funny feeling we overworked ourselves again, but eh, let's just wait and see. happy.gif

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Posted 14 April 2013 - 05:51 AM

QUOTE (Don-kun @ Apr 14 2013, 05:39 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
OK don't, you know, I know, everybody knows. laugh.gif
Joke a side, this could be the lover nin trying to say something nice since Sakura take good care of him.
But we cannot ignore that most of us already know that Sasuke will be good again before the Manga end, but how most of us thought he would be?
Naruto Hokages and alliance beating Madara and Obito, Sasuke becoming the final villain, Naruto handling him a good beating later Sasuke would receive his doze of TNJ bu Naruto.
Now being good is far different from being a great man and who does the lover nin represent? Kishimoto imput.
What Sasuke is about to do now? Fight against Madara and Obito to save the shinobi world.
What If there isn't any twist with Sasuke character and this continues?
540 and the lover nin words will become a foreshadowing by Kishi. Sadly he didn't fallow up with non of Sakura foreshadowing.

What I just said does not fallow up with the hints, parallels, the development between Naruto and Sakura and the consistency of the story, so this could just be me over thinking and you can ignore everything I said.

Haha Well one thing is for sure, Naruto and Sasuke have to fight. We also can take it for granted that this Team 7 love triangle will be resolved then because of Naruto's words to Sai. If Naruto and Sasuke are to fight though, something has to change. Naruto is not going to change his alignment because he is the hero and is inherently good, which means Sasuke will have to either change back or keep his value of power goal in order for this to happen. Sakura can't just sit on the sidelines when this happens, either she will side with Naruto or Sasuke. My money's on our boy in orange.

Though maybe it's just me but I would question Sasuke's and Orochimaru's true motives. That whole chapter seemed forced.

The only thing that is unclear is will they fight before or after Madara and Obito are defeated?

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Posted 14 April 2013 - 06:05 AM

QUOTE (Don-kun @ Apr 14 2013, 01:39 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I like you style you never complicate yourself, instead of over thinking you wait fir the right answer. Is a great quality young boy. biggrin.gif

Thank you. happy.gif

Though I admit, some shows, movies, etc. does make me imagine NS. Not the exact scene, but alter them to fit Narutoverse. But that's just me.

QUOTE (Shadow1275 @ Apr 14 2013, 01:51 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Haha Well one thing is for sure, Naruto and Sasuke have to fight. We also can take it for granted that this Team 7 love triangle will be resolved then because of Naruto's words to Sai. If Naruto and Sasuke are to fight though, something has to change. Naruto is not going to change his alignment because he is the hero and is inherently good, which means Sasuke will have to either change back or keep his value of power goal in order for this to happen. Sakura can't just sit on the sidelines when this happens, either she will side with Naruto or Sasuke. My money's on our boy in orange.

Though maybe it's just me but I would question Sasuke's and Orochimaru's true motives. That whole chapter seemed forced.

The only thing that is unclear is will they fight before or after Madara and Obito are defeated?

I think after they are defeated. According to Kishi, he's planning Naruto vs. Sasuke as the finale in a emotional climax. That said that mean the battle will have something in stake, and I don't know what. We should wait. We can keep guessing, but let's not think we are clearly sure and make no room for other interpretations.

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Posted 14 April 2013 - 06:15 AM

QUOTE (NaruSaku4Life3g @ Apr 14 2013, 01:41 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Nice posts, you guys.

Well, this is going to be a long wait once again. Can history repeat itself? In a way, I hope so. 616 release was very satisfying. So can the next chapter or whole volume satisfy us? Well, let's hope so. I got a funny feeling we overworked ourselves again, but eh, let's just wait and see. happy.gif


No I'm not over thinking, by now you should know that no matter how ridiculous something sounds I don't tend to ignore it and if you ask. I believe that the story starting from chapter 3 until chapter 504 heavily supports NS, plus Naruto franchise.

But since chapter 540 I don't understand this story anymore and like you I'm just reading chapter by chapter to find out how everything will be resolve.

I Honestly believe that NS is the only rational, consisted, logical and sensible pairing for this Manga, sadly this Manda stop being consistent, and logical a long time ago. Now a days many events does not make any sense.

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Posted 14 April 2013 - 06:47 AM

Sasuke being good/redeemed is a good thing cause I know NS will happen, but I don't want ppl thinking its causes Sasuke's evil and Sakura chose the good Naruto.I want it to be cause she knows she never truly loved Sasuke and she fell in love with to Naruto, for Naruto, by Naruto.

Anyone else find it funny that the two non NS ppl avatars consist of Madara and Tobirama...

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Posted 14 April 2013 - 07:44 AM

QUOTE (bthug @ Apr 13 2013, 11:47 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Sasuke being good/redeemed is a good thing cause I know NS will happen, but I don't want ppl thinking its causes Sasuke's evil and Sakura chose the good Naruto.I want it to be cause she knows she never truly loved Sasuke and she fell in love with to Naruto, for Naruto, by Naruto.

Anyone else find it funny that the two non NS ppl avatars consist of Madara and Tobirama...


If you mean Baguette he is a NaruSaku fan, he just likes to tease us biggrin.gif

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Posted 14 April 2013 - 08:08 AM

QUOTE (Inferno180 @ Apr 14 2013, 02:14 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Sakura fell in love with Sasuke but again it was an idealistic one, basically every young girl in their class save hinata had a crush on Sasuke. Sasuke was just the ideal preception of them, but remember sakura was young and did not know this, until the rescue from gaara and promise, she did not take naruto as much. Naruto gradually proved himself and she did learn that Sasuke was not perfect. This far into the series though she can have the feelings based on one part drama, I mean it has to be on her for a while longer to in effect get over Sasuke after she saw what he became, but it's also due to her should she reflect on what naruto did with and for her and in the same way she did it for him. Even with new Sasuke, one thing remains in effect, she knows he never loved her yet naruto does. Sakura is aware of his love for her and naruto is not aware she knows, one thing about maturity is sakura learning that naruto did efforts for her and she for for him. She is aware someone loves her and has reason for it, basically over the shared pains, sakura is close to naruto and considers him very important.

Even with new Sasuke, this does not change the fact of what happened in the past and unless Kishi really wants to hit the sucidie button on Sakura's character development, then he would have her go back to Sasuke but I feel that even with new Sasuke she would take naruto over him because it was naruto who made her strong and she made him stronger.

Aside from the long development, parallels, layout of the story, and unanswered questions with her mainly chp 540 and 615 moments with her, I feel narusaku will come by in a few ways,

Narutos I hate people who lie to themselves, it may hit her where it matters, she can be in a state of confusion for all we know or letting go of him, but in maturity one thing that happens is characters become honest with themselves, naruto had to be honest with himself for his dark side, he never showed any hatred to the villagers for the longest time in the series yet he still harbors it deep within cause it though his first bonds made him better and saved him from loneliness, he still had the experiences of the past come on him again and again in parts 1 and 2. Naruto was honest with himself and had to believe in himself to let go of his hate. Sakura can do the same with Sasuke.

Sakura needs it for her development, she still has it for story reasons but as dumb as it sounds for her to still have the ideal crush, Kishi designed sakura to represent human weakness, what is the biggest human weakness? Emotion, what is the biggest emotion? Love. Sakura is basically fighting her biggest weakness as I see it and can overcome this. It's funny how sai never noticed that as much pain she and Sasuke cause naruto pain, they are also his biggest sources of strength. Sakura draws much of her strength from naruto no doubt, that's just another in a long line of effects they have on each other. They are both sources of each others strength, sakura can find new strength in love for naruto over Sasuke which has been her weakness.

Finally, it's just basic character development, any type of sakura returning to Sasuke is bad and just would give a legitimate reason for people to hate her and prove sakura had a weak will, basically the biggest butchering of any character in the series if Kishi went this way. I don't think he would do it, maybe come close to troll us into thinking she actually went back to Sasuke, but that would be bad. Much of Sakura's development has shown she moved away from him and towards naruto, much of their biggest moments had great emotional impact on the other. Sakura cried over naruto 3 or 4 times now right? Those were real feelings she had for him. She cares and has close feelings for him, that's a fact. Her development just also goes full circle for her to have hated naruto in the start and end by loving him. It's pure and simple, her development this late is slow and a form of dramatic struggle internally for her. Sasuke cannot just take back his actions, unless Kishi really just wants a cheap easy way out and a one way ticket to butchering Sakura's development and purpose on the journey to help naruto in the first place, then he makes her love Sasuke again, when there was never a reason for her to do it. Naruto there is a reason. Sasuke bad for sakura, naruto good for sakura, it's funny how from a character design point and even the story this still factors in. Basically narusaku is still a good ending and gives naruto and Sakura's characters the development they need, if fulfills Sakura's full circle, she can forgive Sasuke, that's okay but not return to a love which never existed. Narusaku also gives narutos character a sense of fulfillment and a sense of a love which was struggled with but finally earned and achieved because of his efforts but also due to Sakura's for him, in the end they go together because they accept and want to be, not out of second choices or obligations, because they want to be together, that's if everything goes this way.


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