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#16881 TrueSacrifice

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Posted 09 April 2014 - 11:58 PM

If Kishimoto was really writing for SasuSaku to happen I don't think he would have written the Naruto and Sasuke "death" event like he did. Paralleling Sakura and Karin does not support that conclusion. Karin's role is explicitly stated. She supports and loves Sasuke. We know that Sakura supports Naruto but not that she loves him per se. If the parallel is just to show support why even have Karin there at all? If Sakura is truly Sasuke's intended then Karin's role is redundant. In fact Karin should have stayed in a Konoha jail cell if SasuSaku was Kishimoto's intent. Every time he parallels them the emphasis is just that much stronger. 

 

NS didn't really gain anything from the latest chapter but I would argue that SS was dealt yet another blow. NH is almost completely irrelevant outside of Hinata's character so it too suffered a blow by Hinata being completely absent from the proceedings. To be honest I haven't considered either to be a viable pairing for a long long time but the recent chapters have driven it home even more. Now all I can hope is that Kishimoto resolves Naruto and Sakura's relationship in a satisfactory way. Hopefully it isn't diminished by setting it right next to SasuKarin a barely developed relationship in comparison.

 

My biggest fear isn't NaruSaku not happening but rather it not getting the emphasis and care I feel it deserves.



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Posted 10 April 2014 - 12:24 AM

Well it got a lot of care and emphasis, but if you want that again, you have to wait for a bit. Right now, this war is at the peak as Madara could do the plan, so now, they have to rush in and stop Madara for good.



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Posted 10 April 2014 - 12:29 AM

Let all be neutral from on...it will happen eventually..but, not now..
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Posted 10 April 2014 - 01:13 AM

@Inferno
 
The pain event was touched upon later though, it got Naruto to see how brave Hinata was so he could encourage her during her time of need when she was losing all confidence which in turn got her to encourage him when Neji died.

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Posted 10 April 2014 - 02:42 AM

672 was a big let down NS-wise.  Kishi denied us that recovery scene on purpose. I'm sure he knew just as well as all of us that Sakura reacting to Naruto being alive had extreme pairing potential, but he chose not to. And it wasn't because of a reasonable reason like "Well, there's fighting on the battlefield, they might die" etc. Kishi could've easily dragged out a hug scene and fit in that whole Guy thing as well. Every writer does things for reason. It's not just what it looks like.

 

And here? I dunno. i's definitely possible we'll get a flashback for later or have that NS moment at the end of the battle, but wouldn't it still seem out of place? My problem now isn't my impatience for a NaruSaku moment, but how it will be executed.If there was nothing off-panel and Sakura really acted like that (a single tear or not), then the realism is leaving the building fast.

 

We know NaruSaku is endgame. We know Sakura loves or has feelings for Naruto. But the resolution counts just as much as the journey and I'm not so sure Kishi's handling it right. The perfect, most realistic opportunity is Sakura realizing her love for Naruto in life-or-death situations. Cliché, but believable. But that "big" moment we've all been waiting for turned out so underwhelming, there's probably no way Sakura realized her feelings (assuming nothing happened off-panel). And that is the issue right now.

 

The Antis are right about one thing. If Sakura didn't realize her feelings then, then how could we call that good writing? What would it take for her to realize she loves Naruto? Why is it that him nearly dying is not enough? If things are what it looks like, then Kishi is really screwing things up in how he'll make NaruSaku canon. There is no excuse. Sakura not realizing her love for Naruto when he's on his deathbed (the most significant, extreme option possible) and realizing it a different way is bad writing.  It's a total logic fail and tbh, the NHers/SSers, underneath all their bitter, will have every right to complain.

 

I can't see anything else being a more perfect situation for that Sakura realization than the potential in 672 and I can't see her already knowing she loves him because of 540. However, I also can't see NS not being endgame because all of the rest of build-up is still there. But, no matter how amazing NaruSaku is as ship, their moment of canonization has to be done well or else it cheapens it.

 

I'll be honest. If Kishimoto can think of another believable way for Sakura to see she loves Naruto, then I would say he should get an award for romance resolution. But right now I'm not seeing it.


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Posted 10 April 2014 - 02:55 AM

I don't get why the disappointment about the last chapter (672) is refuelling doubts between NaruSaku or NaruHina for some fans ?

Why are we even comparing NaruSaku's development to NaruHina's right now ? The last chapter did not harm NaruSaku at all.

I personally think that Kishi just doesn't want to make NaruSaku too obvious for the fans for them to be surprised. IMO the effect is completely missed <_< because it's that obvious. Well maybe young readers don't see it and will be surprised... meh

Or maybe he just didn't care and just wanted to show a parallel drawing with Naruto and Sasuke.

I also understand it was Gai's time right now, but still, I'm disappointed.

But what I don't understand, is all this discussing on the forum about NaruHina and 615 compared to 672.

I mean, why are we even discussing it ? It's not about NaruHina here...

Some of us are disappointed, but why comparing with 615 ? The fact that Kishi skipped the wake up scene doesn't invalidate NaruSaku's development.

It's true I'm disappointed, because I wanted Sakura to react, Naruto to see and know what she's done, Obito to talk to Naruto and maybe to Sakura... to me it has been rushed. It's not even just about NaruSaku. I don't need a PROOF that they will be end game. I'm sure of it since chapter 3 LOL.
I know a lot of people here are not complaining about only NaruSaku.
I personally didn't bash Kishi, and I didn't see anyone bashing him. We're just disappointed, and some of us think that Kishi missed something good to write about. Maybe he will show it later in a flashback, we don't know, but I don't care. It was needed to show it now IMO. I really don't see how two or three panels about it could have slower down the chapter and the saving of Gai. Kishimoto could have cut in some flashback... He threw a lot of flashback at us in a very inappropriate moment IMO. He made the bijuu sealing complex, it had to be started again after Minato failed... He drag all this a very long time. He raised the suspense. For almost nothing. That's why people are so disappointed. Sakura gave her all and yet, nothing.

Can we still discuss about the writing without someone telling us to "chill out" ?
It's a little tiring.

I can understand that complaints can be tiring for some too, and I'm sorry for that. Again, I don't really want to complain. I don't really know about the others, but it seems to me a lot of fans were feeling the same. We just want to discuss the writing.

I know it will not change anything, and maybe all this be addressed later. I hope so... but right now, Kishimoto is disappointing me.

But all this change nothing for NaruSaku or NaruHina.


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Posted 10 April 2014 - 03:41 AM

Nothing has changed, make no mistake. I guess some of us think this is moment of turn of event. Now, some feels like "if this isn't it, what is?" Now I think about it, I do wonder too and I kind of like that. However, the result can be great or can be a botch. It's one of those moments when you get something different, you hope for something new and good. But if you get a bad one, then it can be a disaster. Look at Mass Effect 3. So I am curious.

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Posted 10 April 2014 - 03:50 AM

Because romance in this manga is simple. Naruto only need to confess to sakura and voila NS canon.
I believe we will get a NS moment in this war arc. Especially naruto -> sakura moment.

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Posted 10 April 2014 - 04:00 AM

Because romance in this manga is simple. Naruto only need to confess to sakura and voila NS canon.
I believe we will get a NS moment in this war arc. Especially naruto -> sakura moment.


Its not that simple, Naruto confessing won't convince Sakura she has feelings for him then there's the whole problem with Naruto wanting to be with Sakura but not wanting to be with her because he knows she loves Sasuke but wanting to be with her because he wants to be with her. There's still some stuff that needs to be wrapped up first.

Also Sakura's relationship with Sasuke needs to be cleared up first it'll feel weird that Sakura is with Naruto by the end but still is in love with Sasuke especially if Kishi goes the HP route and we see Naruto and sasuke's kids being all buddy buddy wouldn't it be kind of awkward if they knew that Shinachiku's mom (which at this point will more than likely be Sakura ofcourse) still holds romantic feelings for Sasuke?

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Posted 10 April 2014 - 04:48 AM

Wanna see sakura fight so badly.afterall, her teammate got the god power. Just unfair..kishi, plez..make sakura do something kickass again than doing medical stuff..because, you already promised us through sakura's mouth that she will FOCUS ON F***KING FIGHT INSTEAD!!KISHI! -sad mode activates-
But, idk if she get the chance to "SHANARO" on madara or someone else during the war? Will she? Hmm...
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Posted 10 April 2014 - 05:56 AM

It's not that I feel like NaruSaku's suddenly less likely. Nothing's changed. It's still going to be endgame and it isn't, in any way, overstepped by NaruHina. Comparing it 615 is strange IMO. They were two completely different situations and not only that but  672 is a much more dire chapter than that one.

 

I just worry about the quality. Sakura's going to realize she loves Naruto somehow and move on from Sasuke, but the question is will it be believable? I don't want it bad writing. The situation with the most believable aspects was Sakura coming to an epiphany either while Naruto was dying or when he was awake and, assuming nothing happened off-panel, we got none of that and the potential was gone.

 

Does anyone understand my concerns? Can any of you guys think of another way Sakura could realize her feelings and actually have it make sense?


Edited by xxRomanceGirlxx, 10 April 2014 - 06:02 AM.

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Posted 10 April 2014 - 06:18 AM

It's not that I feel like NaruSaku's suddenly less likely. Nothing's changed. It's still going to be endgame and it isn't, in any way, overstepped by NaruHina. Comparing it 615 is strange IMO. They were two completely different situations and not only that but  672 is a much more dire chapter than that one.
 
I just worry about the quality. Sakura's going to realize she loves Naruto somehow and move on from Sasuke, but the question is will it be believable? I don't want it bad writing. The situation with the most believable aspects was Sakura coming to an epiphany either while Naruto was dying or when he was awake and, assuming nothing happened off-panel, we got none of that and the potential was gone.
 
Does anyone understand my concerns? Can any of you guys think of another way Sakura could realize her feelings and actually have it make sense?


I feel the exact same way which is why I think Kishi's going to parallel what happened in the OVA

I mean Naruto almost died yes.....but lets not forget he's destined to die again in his fight with Sasuke we know he'll somehow survive but regardless this time around Sakura won't have enough chakra to save him and a simple bijuu insertion will do no good, just now Naruto was leaning on death's door, after his fight with Sasuke he's going to be banging on it like a battering ram. That's really the only thing I can think of.

Though I'm not exactly sure how Naruto was fatally wounded in the OVA (he appeared to be clawed at by something not just sliced, something with claws was tearing at him)


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Posted 10 April 2014 - 07:03 AM

It's not that I feel like NaruSaku's suddenly less likely. Nothing's changed. It's still going to be endgame and it isn't, in any way, overstepped by NaruHina. Comparing it 615 is strange IMO. They were two completely different situations and not only that but  672 is a much more dire chapter than that one.
 
I just worry about the quality. Sakura's going to realize she loves Naruto somehow and move on from Sasuke, but the question is will it be believable? I don't want it bad writing. The situation with the most believable aspects was Sakura coming to an epiphany either while Naruto was dying or when he was awake and, assuming nothing happened off-panel, we got none of that and the potential was gone.
 
Does anyone understand my concerns? Can any of you guys think of another way Sakura could realize her feelings and actually have it make sense?

I understand completely. It's like what I just said. This could be interesting road to check it out, but it can bring the risk factor higher. When it comes to something that hasn't been done or done in a rarity, it's more interesting to see how it all plays. However, if done wrong it can backfire and makes you think it should have play safe. So until then, the wait continues.

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Posted 10 April 2014 - 07:28 AM

Kishi is going to write a Romance manga next right? I wish he writes a story on NS. As in like off panel scenes, how their bond grew and all that. It would be really exciting to watch that XD


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Posted 10 April 2014 - 08:22 AM

Why are we even comparing NaruSaku's development to NaruHina's right now

 

I don't understand it either.  I don't understand why Hinata is considered relevant or a threat -- ever, much less still -- but it goes on and on and on.  Naruto loves Sakura and has been steadfast in his feelings for her.  What power does Hinata have over that?  None.  So why be tortured by paranoia and comparisons with a non-ship?

 

It's true I'm disappointed, because I wanted Sakura to react, Naruto to see and know what she's done, Obito to talk to Naruto and maybe to Sakura... to me it has been rushed. 

 

When Gaara and Sakura became Naruto's recovery team, I posted a comment that Gaara had also been the character who saw first hand how desperate and determined Naruto had been to save Sakura's life.  When Naruto literally beat Gaara into submission and collapsed, Sakura was released from the sand and it was Sasuke who scooped her up and carried her away.  Sasuke.  *gags*  Give me a break.
 
With this latest chapter, someone else (sorry I can't remember who) mentioned how we never saw Sakura's reaction in that scene.  We never got an in-person resolution between Naruto and Sakura.  She didn't get any conscious time to see Naruto's effort and love for her.  Then later, she tries to thank Sasuke for saving her, and he told her it wasn't him but Naruto who had beaten Gaara and saved her life.
 
That was a long time ago in the manga -- and in reader years -- but it was the same kind of aggravating disappointment.  Naruto so totally deserved something significant for his actions, but neither Sakura nor readers got the satisfaction of seeing it happen.
 
My point is, as NS has progressed and with the knowledge that the manga is coming to a close, people are getting super anxious for confirmation of NS.  And not just confirmation that they're THE pairing of the story, but confirmation of privately held hopes and dreams and expectations. Readers want Kishimoto to prove them right, and they want him to do it in a way that *they* feel is satisfactory.
 
But that's really not how it works.  Kishimoto is not thinking about our individual expectations or vision for how NS will be resolved.  He has his own expectations.  He is the vision for these characters.  
 
We can complain all we want.  I do it too. (I seriously vented about Sasuke and his sudden elevation to equal hero just last chapter.)  But in the end it only matters what Kishimoto is going to do, and although we may all feel we would choose / imagine / write something so much better than Kishimoto, the fact is he's running the story.  Kishimoto has brought the story to this point, and we can either finish the ride and see what he does, or we're free to jump off any time.

 

Does anyone understand my concerns? Can any of you guys think of another way Sakura could realize her feelings and actually have it make sense?

 

I do understand what you're questioning.  My answer would be that the resolution of Sakura's feelings may very well be more of a non-event than some people expect.  I mean, a lot of folks got their expectations totally wound up for some big moment between Naruto and Sakura upon his recent return to consciousness, and it didn't happen.  It could be similar for Sakura's feelings.
 
For what it's worth, I suspect that Kishimoto may feel he's already provided enough hints and foreshadowing of Sakura's love for Naruto that it won't require some big melodramatic scene that addresses their issues of the past.  He's been moving Sakura toward Naruto and away from Sasuke for a very long time now, and lately has been moving Sasuke toward Karin.  The writing is already on the wall.  The question is, how much more does Kishimoto think he needs to do to bring them together?
 
People downplay #631 -- and not just anti fans, but even some here -- but the fact that Naruto answered in a positive way to the question of Sakura being his girlfriend, and Sakura did not deny it or look sad or stressed that Naruto misunderstood, was a big clue that they've made a tentative step forward in their relationship.

 

It could be that we don't get a schmoopy resolution.  It could be that, at the end, Sakura simply accepts a date with Naruto because it's his birthday.  We may get more.  The point is... we don't know.
 
Wondering, imagining, speculating, daydreaming about how NS will get resolved is fun, normal, and fine -- as long as those imaginings don't become expectations -- or worse, demands that end up ruining the story experience.
 
Just my opinion.


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Posted 10 April 2014 - 09:25 AM

^True that @KnS


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Posted 10 April 2014 - 11:06 AM

I feel the exact same way which is why I think Kishi's going to parallel what happened in the OVA

I mean Naruto almost died yes.....but lets not forget he's destined to die again in his fight with Sasuke we know he'll somehow survive but regardless this time around Sakura won't have enough chakra to save him and a simple bijuu insertion will do no good, just now Naruto was leaning on death's door, after his fight with Sasuke he's going to be banging on it like a battering ram. That's really the only thing I can think of.

Though I'm not exactly sure how Naruto was fatally wounded in the OVA (he appeared to be clawed at by something not just sliced, something with claws was tearing at him)

LOL Kishi has to kill the guy twice for her to realize her true feelings for Naruto.
I think the only way to get out of that solution is to make her fall in love with Naruto close to the ending without recurring to "realizing true feelings" which for me is bs due to the events Kishi put thoughout the manga.
She had an insane amount of moments were she could realize her feelings and she didnt with the summit being included, Sasuke's killing attempts.

And to finish, death is so cheap on those series if Naruto dies Obito or even Kakashi with a rinnegan will bring Naruto back, death has lost any kind of sense on this series.

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Posted 10 April 2014 - 11:13 AM

Kishi is going to write a Romance manga next right? I wish he writes a story on NS. As in like off panel scenes, how their bond grew and all that. It would be really exciting to watch that XD

I don't want to crush your hopes, but Kishi would never do something like that. And besides, his next project is a manga in the genre of magical girl, but with boys, there are already some sketchs that have been seen. 


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Posted 10 April 2014 - 11:19 AM

I don't want to crush your hopes, but Kishi would never do something like that. And besides, his next project is a manga in the genre of magical girl, but with boys, there are already some sketchs that have been seen.

I knew he liked Yaoi.
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Posted 10 April 2014 - 11:55 AM

I knew he liked Yaoi.

I wonder if it was an april fool , since that news came out around that time and I couldn't find any source on the internet. 


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