Jump to content

Close
Photo

The Great Naruto Discussion Thread

naruto wtf discuss

  • Please log in to reply
31746 replies to this topic

#16821 ichigo500

ichigo500

    Ichigo gunyu

  • Elite Jounin
  • PipPipPipPip
  • 2,168 posts
  • Gender:Female

Posted 14 April 2015 - 09:56 PM

Well, since the third child would have the Byakugan, that would make him/her more important than Himawari. The older kid takes after the dad, the the younger one the mom, and the middle gets absolutely nothing. Her fighting style would just be an inferior version of her father's and Bolt's

Even though he creates one, he will never develop that character...we could maybe see him at the age of 1 or 2, and byakugan or not, it doesn't matter, because we all know that the real MC is Bolt now, and no one else  :hm:


tumblr_nq5cp7mpWa1t4u7tdo1_500.gif

:love: Kiss Kiss Fall in love  :love: 

 

My tumblr


#16822 WhyDoIWatch

WhyDoIWatch

    Chakra Water Walker

  • Chakra Water Walker
  • PipPip
  • 337 posts
  • Gender:Male
  • Location:United States
  • Interests:Shows- SNK, Naruto, Code Geass, Baccano, Fate,
    Characters- Claire, Sasuke, Lelouch, Madara, Itachi, Gilgamesh, Kirei, Konan, Sasori, Lancer.

Posted 14 April 2015 - 09:59 PM

Even though he creates one, he will never develop that character...we could maybe see him at the age of 1 or 2, and byakugan or not, it doesn't matter, because we all know that the real MC is Bolt now, and no one else  :hm:

lol, would you prefer Himawari to be the MC instead of Bolt :umm: ?


hunter-x-hunter-2011-episode-145.gif


#16823 Michi

Michi

    Kyuubi

  • Kyuubi
  • PipPipPipPipPip
  • 4,312 posts
  • Gender:Female
  • Location:another planet.

Posted 14 April 2015 - 10:03 PM

 

London-Fletcher-Puking-GIF.gif

ewwwww.

 

Excuse you, but I'm eating right now. -_____-


Edited by Michi, 14 April 2015 - 10:03 PM.

                                                 aeb83504-2ae7-426f-b3d0-4fb11dcfd84b_zps

                                                                       pfeffersteak.tumblr.com


#16824 rocci

rocci

    Heaven and Earth Deity

  • Kyuubi
  • PipPipPipPipPipPip
  • 10,708 posts

Posted 14 April 2015 - 10:08 PM

Of course I agree Rin was supportive/kind my problem just lies in the fact that she never loved him and the things Obito did, ts like Sakura going from loving Sasuke to loving Kiba out of nowhere, though i'll admit I did like the paring in the Kakashi Gaiden Flashback.
 
SS/NH are above ObiRin because Obito's obsession far surpasses Hinata/Sakura's love and unlike ObiRin, NH/SS at least had an excuse, Sasuke had not so good goals while Hinata is shy and Naruto's dense. Plus NH/SS had more "proper" development and wasn't inconsistent.
I think Obito had a good reason to love/like Rin its just Kishi plays around with "love" too often, characters that haven't been shown to express this emotion get it (Example-Jiraya loving Tsunade, Rin loving Kakashi).

Obirin is NS parallel. And obirin is not canon.
Obirin development happen in obito flashback.
Obito is what happen to naruto if sakura dead

#16825 Luna

Luna

    aespa

  • S-Class Missing Nin
  • PipPipPipPipPip
  • 2,551 posts
  • Gender:Female

Posted 14 April 2015 - 10:20 PM

Obirin is NS parallel. And obirin is not canon.
Obirin development happen in obito flashback.
Obito is what happen to naruto if sakura dead


U mean Hinata


 


#16826 TouKen4Life3g

TouKen4Life3g

    Heaven and Earth Deity

  • Kyuubi
  • PipPipPipPipPipPip
  • 35,306 posts
  • Gender:Male

Posted 14 April 2015 - 10:21 PM

Off-topic and not sure if I got it right, but Netflix announced How To Train Your Dragon series (another one) premieres June 26. You know, based on Kishi's favorite movie, the one it's smart enough to do the obvious story path. The one that it takes no brainer to make it work easily.

#16827 rocci

rocci

    Heaven and Earth Deity

  • Kyuubi
  • PipPipPipPipPipPip
  • 10,708 posts

Posted 14 April 2015 - 10:22 PM

U mean Hinata

Before chapter 700.

#16828 AHK

AHK

    Heaven and Earth Deity

  • Kyuubi
  • PipPipPipPipPipPip
  • 7,464 posts
  • Gender:Male
  • Location:Jacksonville, FL
  • Interests:One Piece, Tokyo Ghoul, The Breaker, Fairy Tail, BnHA, Twin Star Exorcists, Shokugeki no Soma, Owari no Seraph, BnHA, Akatsuki no Yona, Noragami, Magi, Akame Ga Kill, Attack on Titan, HotD, SAO, HxH, Ao no Exorcist, NnT

    LuNa, Touken, EragonxArya, MiriShep, NS, SoumaxErina, IzuOcha, RokuBeni, NaLu, ShioonxJinnie, YuxShinoa, HakYona, SaberxShirou, Yatori, MK, EreMika

Posted 14 April 2015 - 10:30 PM

 

Yeah, know what you mean about the fic. It was definitely slanted. But it was refreshing to see the rest of Team 7 calling out Naruto for his actions. And it was a nice twist to see Sasuke supporting Sakura by being disappointed in Naruto right along with her. It just a nice change from a lot of the Naruto-worshipping fics that are out there. In canon, there should still be a lot of Uchiha hate out there!

 

 

So true!! Completely agree!! The resolution of the story should have included Madara's role in the beginning of the Uchiha, how he sowed the hatred and then later using Obito to bring it to the surface. But all that was just dropped. Because that history was included in the beginning part of the story, it should have been part of the ending. 

 

The coup doesn't make any sense to me, because the reasons for it were shady and what they hoped to gain was equally amorphous. Did they want the power or control? The wealth of Konoha or the ability to rule? None of that is ever delved into. Certainly they couldn't have all been war-mongering killers, down to the grandmothers and the young children. So I have a hard time believing that the whole clan deserved to be murdered in their beds. 

 

It's a troubling issue — though most may have supported a coup that doesn't mean they all deserve to be brutally murdered for it — and one that should have been resolved in the end by laying blame where it falls: to Madara and Obito. 

 

Sasuke could have easily been shown finding a scroll in the rubble of a clan meeting house, written with the arguments for and against what they were choosing to do. Showing that they weren't all involved, and many wanted peace. Easy peasy.

 

HOWEVER, if Kishi did that, then it undermines Saint Itachi completely. For Itachi to look good, everyone else in his clan to look/be bad.

 

I think the Uchiha massacre is a sticky situation because Kishimoto is so hell-bent on redeeming his villainous characters. If the Uchiha clan are shown to be at all innocent or caught in the cross-hairs of a larger situation, then Madara's backstory and Obito and Itachi's "justified" killing of the clan and subsequent redemption stories backfire.

 

Anyway, I'm not throwing bukets of sympathy at the Uchihas. You're right - they were planning a coup. But since their massacre was so central to the plot and so much the driving force of Sasuke's like, then it should have been resolved. After all - Sasuke's avowed goal is to redeem his clan. And since doing this directly at odds with Itachi's goal of peace at any cost (even if it means killing his family) - then this seemingly unsolvable puzzle is the centerpiece of the story!!! This is what Kishimoto should have resolved! 

 

This is the piece the reader can't figure out on their own, and this is where it's the writer's job to come up with something imaginative to resolve the story. There should have been some sense made out of the tragic events that put Sasuke on his life's path. But in the end, just like Naruto, Sasuke's, as well as the Uchiha clan's, story arc goes unresolved. 

 

The Uchiha clan shouldn't get pardoned because they deserved it, but there should be some satisfactory resolution for them because Sasuke has worked so hard for it. And this is reinforced by Naruto and Sakura, the other two main characters, supporting Sasuke unequivocally in his quest (thereby becoming his new family). 

That's certainly true. I guess it's to be expected since the story is seemingly written from Sakura's pov. I'm hoping that he'll incorporate things from Naruto's side of things, like his view on the political pressure, as well as his treatment by Sakura in the last and at the end of the manga. 

 

You raise good points, a lot of what Kishi never did was out of handicap set by Itachi's characterization, he was almost held hostage by Itachi being the good guy. 

 

Personally, I liked "good guy" Itachi, I enjoy characters such as him, Minato, Obito, Jiraya, Hashirama, Naruto etc. that acknowledge that they are failures in some respect, and acknowledged that they had flaws. I enjoyed Itachi doing what was best for his village because he believed in the village. One of the things I lamented though, was that it was stated Itachi loved Konoha, but it was never really shown why. I think it was a mistake to show Itachi doing his duty, but not showing his motivations for doing it.

 

I always had this little headcanon that Itachi was heavily doted on by Kushina (mothers bestie/godmother trope), and that he loved her like another mother, and found a second, more loving family in the Namikazes. I envisioned that Minato would have taken Itachi under his wing, and shown him why the village was so important and why Minato loved it, and that Itachi would have inherited his love of the village from those two, as the Uchiha lacked that trait. I feel that if that were to occur, it also gives Itachi's spy role in the Akatsuki more backbone, as he would have been trying to protect his godparents' son. Something like that would have made Itachi much more relate-able to the fanbase and story, as you could see why he was so duty bound to Konoha, and why he seemed to be a failure during his stint in the akatsuki, as he never really attempted to catch Naruto. 

 

Another thing I might have done is have Naruto, at some point in time, call Sasuke out on his bs regarding the massacre. I think it is a little stupid that Naruto never got the chance to mention it, nor did he get to really interact with the Hokage, nor did he ever get to learn about his family etc..

 

What would you have done to make it more believable? 


EXL5X4B.png

"I am the One-Eyed King."

 

 


#16829 Bail o' Lies

Bail o' Lies

    Heaven and Earth Deity

  • Kyuubi
  • PipPipPipPipPipPip
  • 5,655 posts

Posted 14 April 2015 - 10:37 PM

@AHK
U mad :hehehe: ?
Hinata and Robin have same hairstyle, same boobs. Oda got Robin's inspiration from Hinata :lulz:

Huh? How do you know that? Are you just assuming or do you have sources?



#16830 WhyDoIWatch

WhyDoIWatch

    Chakra Water Walker

  • Chakra Water Walker
  • PipPip
  • 337 posts
  • Gender:Male
  • Location:United States
  • Interests:Shows- SNK, Naruto, Code Geass, Baccano, Fate,
    Characters- Claire, Sasuke, Lelouch, Madara, Itachi, Gilgamesh, Kirei, Konan, Sasori, Lancer.

Posted 14 April 2015 - 10:41 PM

That's certainly true. I guess it's to be expected since the story is seemingly written from Sakura's pov. I'm hoping that he'll incorporate things from Naruto's side of things, like his view on the political pressure, as well as his treatment by Sakura in the last and at the end of the manga. 

 

You raise good points, a lot of what Kishi never did was out of handicap set by Itachi's characterization, he was almost held hostage by Itachi being the good guy. 

 

Personally, I liked "good guy" Itachi, I enjoy characters such as him, Minato, Obito, Jiraya, Hashirama, Naruto etc. that acknowledge that they are failures in some respect, and acknowledged that they had flaws. I enjoyed Itachi doing what was best for his village because he believed in the village. One of the things I lamented though, was that it was stated Itachi loved Konoha, but it was never really shown why. I think it was a mistake to show Itachi doing his duty, but not showing his motivations for doing it.

 

I always had this little headcanon that Itachi was heavily doted on by Kushina (mothers bestie/godmother trope), and that he loved her like another mother, and found a second, more loving family in the Namikazes. I envisioned that Minato would have taken Itachi under his wing, and shown him why the village was so important and why Minato loved it, and that Itachi would have inherited his love of the village from those two, as the Uchiha lacked that trait. I feel that if that were to occur, it also gives Itachi's spy role in the Akatsuki more backbone, as he would have been trying to protect his godparents' son. Something like that would have made Itachi much more relate-able to the fanbase and story, as you could see why he was so duty bound to Konoha, and why he seemed to be a failure during his stint in the akatsuki, as he never really attempted to catch Naruto. 

 

Another thing I might have done is have Naruto, at some point in time, call Sasuke out on his bs regarding the massacre. I think it is a little stupid that Naruto never got the chance to mention it, nor did he get to really interact with the Hokage, nor did he ever get to learn about his family etc..

 

What would you have done to make it more believable? 

 

I agree too, Kishi never brings reasons for extreme Patriotism though I think Danzo needs it the most.

Obirin is NS parallel. And obirin is not canon.
Obirin development happen in obito flashback.
Obito is what happen to naruto if sakura dead

I highly doubt Naruto would go that far for Sakura, he reacts mildly to her almost being killed by Sasuke and barely reacted to her getting Genjutsu'ed, he loves either Iruka or Sasuke the most but I don't think he would ever become like Obito because he's all-forgiving.


hunter-x-hunter-2011-episode-145.gif


#16831 rocci

rocci

    Heaven and Earth Deity

  • Kyuubi
  • PipPipPipPipPipPip
  • 10,708 posts

Posted 14 April 2015 - 10:48 PM

 
I agree too, Kishi never brings reasons for extreme Patriotism though I think Danzo needs it the most.
I highly doubt Naruto would go that far for Sakura, he reacts mildly to her almost being killed by Sasuke and barely reacted to her getting Genjutsu'ed, he loves either Iruka or Sasuke the most but I don't think he would ever become like Obito because he's all-forgiving.

He will not become like obito because he's the main character just like
He will not become like nagato when sasuke and jiraiya get killed. Or
He will not become like garra when iruka betray and suicide bomb him.

Naruto love sakura, he will go that far if necessary. The problem is sakura never in dangerous situation and even if she caught in that situation, she will be saved. Naruto only know that sasuke put sakura to sleep, he doesn't know the content of genjutsu.

#16832 BlackBird19

BlackBird19

    Chakra Water Walker

  • Chakra Water Walker
  • PipPip
  • 434 posts
  • Gender:Male
  • Location:Central Texas
  • Interests:USMC,
    baseball,
    football,
    hockey,
    Music(all kinds),
    and manga.

Posted 14 April 2015 - 11:12 PM

Itachi is far from a saint. Because he didn't sacrifice his entire clan solely for Konoha, he also did it to save Sasuke. He didn't think of any other child or innocent he was going to have to put down, just his own little brother. One of the few consistencies we have in the manga is Uchiha's selfish tendencies. Shisui is the only one we were never shown committing a selfish act.



#16833 TouKen4Life3g

TouKen4Life3g

    Heaven and Earth Deity

  • Kyuubi
  • PipPipPipPipPipPip
  • 35,306 posts
  • Gender:Male

Posted 14 April 2015 - 11:14 PM

Itachi is far from a saint. Because he didn't sacrifice his entire clan solely for Konoha, he also did it to save Sasuke. He didn't think of any other child or innocent he was going to have to put down, just his own little brother. One of the few consistencies we have in the manga is Uchiha's selfish tendencies. Shisui is the only one we were never shown committing a selfish act.

He's no The Boss.



#16834 AHK

AHK

    Heaven and Earth Deity

  • Kyuubi
  • PipPipPipPipPipPip
  • 7,464 posts
  • Gender:Male
  • Location:Jacksonville, FL
  • Interests:One Piece, Tokyo Ghoul, The Breaker, Fairy Tail, BnHA, Twin Star Exorcists, Shokugeki no Soma, Owari no Seraph, BnHA, Akatsuki no Yona, Noragami, Magi, Akame Ga Kill, Attack on Titan, HotD, SAO, HxH, Ao no Exorcist, NnT

    LuNa, Touken, EragonxArya, MiriShep, NS, SoumaxErina, IzuOcha, RokuBeni, NaLu, ShioonxJinnie, YuxShinoa, HakYona, SaberxShirou, Yatori, MK, EreMika

Posted 14 April 2015 - 11:17 PM

Itachi is far from a saint. Because he didn't sacrifice his entire clan solely for Konoha, he also did it to save Sasuke. He didn't think of any other child or innocent he was going to have to put down, just his own little brother. One of the few consistencies we have in the manga is Uchiha's selfish tendencies. Shisui is the only one we were never shown committing a selfish act.

He didn't sacrifice his clan for Sasuke, Sasuke had nothing to do with the massacre and Itachi's motives regarding. Itachi spared Sasuke because he couldn't bring himself to kill Sasuke. He sacrificed the Uchiha for Konoha, and spared Sasuke for Sasuke. 


EXL5X4B.png

"I am the One-Eyed King."

 

 


#16835 Nostradamus

Nostradamus

    Heaven and Earth Deity

  • Kyuubi
  • PipPipPipPipPipPip
  • 6,035 posts
  • Gender:Not Telling

Posted 14 April 2015 - 11:20 PM

I think we can all agree that the entire Uchiha clan is kittened up. Even though Itachi was smarter than the rest of them, he was still messed up.


                         CZSn9hA.jpg
 
Which I've told you - time and time again - is dangerous! There will never be consensus, son, among those you have helped to ascend. They will all differ in their views of what it means to be free. The peace you so desperately seek does not exist.
 
These men are united now by a common cause. But when this battle is finished they will fall to fighting amongst themselves about how best to ensure control. In time it will lead to war. You will see.


#16836 luffyq1

luffyq1

    Heaven and Earth Deity

  • Kyuubi
  • PipPipPipPipPipPip
  • 11,371 posts
  • Gender:Male
  • Location:Mom's basement

Posted 14 April 2015 - 11:28 PM

I think we can all agree that the entire Uchiha clan is f**cked up. Even though Itachi was smarter than the rest of them, he was still messed up.

don't forget his boyfriend shisui.


Untitled_zpsbc671263.png


#16837 WhyDoIWatch

WhyDoIWatch

    Chakra Water Walker

  • Chakra Water Walker
  • PipPip
  • 337 posts
  • Gender:Male
  • Location:United States
  • Interests:Shows- SNK, Naruto, Code Geass, Baccano, Fate,
    Characters- Claire, Sasuke, Lelouch, Madara, Itachi, Gilgamesh, Kirei, Konan, Sasori, Lancer.

Posted 14 April 2015 - 11:30 PM

I think we can all agree that the entire Uchiha clan is f**cked up. Even though Itachi was smarter than the rest of them, he was still messed up.

Shisui and Kagami weren't either, besides their lives just get kittened up that's why they are kittened up  :ermm:


hunter-x-hunter-2011-episode-145.gif


#16838 Nostradamus

Nostradamus

    Heaven and Earth Deity

  • Kyuubi
  • PipPipPipPipPipPip
  • 6,035 posts
  • Gender:Not Telling

Posted 14 April 2015 - 11:56 PM

Shisui and Kagami weren't either, besides their lives just get f**cked up that's why they are f**cked up  :ermm:

Because not one of that entire clan can actually stop and think properly for a second. If I remember correctly Shisui fought with Danzou, and he lost his eye to him, then he decides to kill himself in order to not start a war (don't remember exactly) but before he dies he gives his remaining eye to Itachi. Itachi is put in a bad situation where he has to choose between his clan or his village. He chooses the village and kills the other Uchiha, leaving Sasuke alone because didn't know what was going on and because he loved him. Then he decides to mentally torture Sasuke so Sasuke can one day avenge what he (Itachi) did. Problem with this is that this lead to Sasuke going all psycho on everyone. So Itachi's decision to leave Sasuke alive but torturing him was incredibly dumb, especially when we were told that Itachi's intelligence level was beyond everyone else's.

 

Itachi could've easily let Sasuke live without showing him what happened. Yes that would've lead to a life of ignorance for Sasuke, but sometimes ignorance is bliss.


Edited by Nostradamus, 14 April 2015 - 11:58 PM.

                         CZSn9hA.jpg
 
Which I've told you - time and time again - is dangerous! There will never be consensus, son, among those you have helped to ascend. They will all differ in their views of what it means to be free. The peace you so desperately seek does not exist.
 
These men are united now by a common cause. But when this battle is finished they will fall to fighting amongst themselves about how best to ensure control. In time it will lead to war. You will see.


#16839 WhyDoIWatch

WhyDoIWatch

    Chakra Water Walker

  • Chakra Water Walker
  • PipPip
  • 337 posts
  • Gender:Male
  • Location:United States
  • Interests:Shows- SNK, Naruto, Code Geass, Baccano, Fate,
    Characters- Claire, Sasuke, Lelouch, Madara, Itachi, Gilgamesh, Kirei, Konan, Sasori, Lancer.

Posted 15 April 2015 - 12:10 AM

Because not one of that entire clan can actually stop and think properly for a second. If I remember correctly Shisui fought with Danzou, and he lost his eye to him, then he decides to kill himself in order to not start a war (don't remember exactly) but before he dies he gives his remaining eye to Itachi. Itachi is put in a bad situation where he has to choose between his clan or his village. He chooses the village and kills the other Uchiha, leaving Sasuke alone because didn't know what was going on and because he loved him. Then he decides to mentally torture Sasuke so Sasuke can one day avenge what he (Itachi) did. Problem with this is that this lead to Sasuke going all psycho on everyone. So Itachi's decision to leave Sasuke alive but torturing him was incredibly dumb, especially when we were told that Itachi's intelligence level was beyond everyone else's.

 

Itachi could've easily let Sasuke live without showing him what happened. Yes that would've lead to a life of ignorance for Sasuke, but sometimes ignorance is bliss.

Well as kittened up as it sounds, Itachi cannot forgive himself and feels like he should be punished for his actions, he entrusts that duty to Sasuke meaning Sasuke had to hate him (He does a pretty good job at making him). And he also wanted Sasuke to get stronger so thats why he tortured him, to show him the difference in strength. Sasuke only went psycho because Tobi told him the truth (Not apart of Itachi's plan).

 

Shisui wanted to stop the coup so he planned to use Kotoamatsuki but Danzo steals is eyes, he runs away and gives Itachi the other one and kills himself in order for his body to not be discovered (If he didn't Tobi/Kabuto would have stolen his body and won the war).

Not all the Uchiha's were evil (certainly not the children and civilians), and I don't think they can "think" seeing as how they are the most emotional and loss ruins them.


hunter-x-hunter-2011-episode-145.gif


#16840 Nar123

Nar123

    The Phantom

  • Kyuubi
  • PipPipPipPipPipPip
  • 6,624 posts
  • Gender:Male
  • Location:somewhere along the road of life

Posted 15 April 2015 - 12:11 AM

Of course I agree Rin was supportive/kind my problem just lies in the fact that she never loved him and the things Obito did, ts like Sakura going from loving Sasuke to loving Kiba out of nowhere, though i'll admit I did like the paring in the Kakashi Gaiden Flashback.

 

 

You didn't get it, SS and NH never had what Obirin had, Obito had legitimate reasons to crush on Rin since she was kind, supportive and believed in him, the only problem is that Kishi made Rin an integral part of Obito's life and forget to give a reason to this, I mean he could 've explained Obito was an outcast at the uchiha clan or something, nobody believed him or liked him, thus Rin became his only shining beacon. Explanations like this could've made his extreme reaction to her death more believable

 

 

 

SS/NH are above ObiRin because Obito's obsession far surpasses Hinata/Sakura's love and unlike ObiRin, NH/SS at least had an excuse, Sasuke had not so good goals while Hinata is shy and Naruto's dense. Plus NH/SS had more "proper" development and wasn't inconsistent.

I think Obito had a good reason to love/like Rin its just Kishi plays around with "love" too often, characters that haven't been shown to express this emotion get it (Example-Jiraya loving Tsunade, Rin loving Kakashi).

 

 

"NH/SS had an excuse"

Sorry, no

Sakura didn't had that much of an excuse to love Sasuke, it was just there

Sasuke never showed any feelings of love for Sakura 

Hinata being shy is an excuse?

And Naruto's dense? Not really, he is really perceptive it's just that Naruto never focused in Hinata, and this is not an excuse after chapter 437 since Hinata lets her feelings out for the first time. Naruto being the super dense protagonist and having no knowledge about emotions is a retcon

 

Obirin is not that good of a pairing because Obito's obsession was never given a deep reason other than " Rin's was nice/supportive of him" and "he had a crush on her", as I said before the way to resolve this is to give a more detailed background of OBito as to show why Rin was so important.

 

However I still assure OBirin is above NH/SS because how they behave around each other, OBito and Rin genuinely like each other, they are supportive and have a good banter, NH/SS are static pairings throughout the manga, NH only appears in dramatic situations and SS shows Sakura in a pitful light everytime


                                  tumblr_obno1yoNj11suy1fso1_540.gif

 

                                                                         :eager:  Persona 5 hype     :eager:






5 user(s) are reading this topic

0 members, 5 guests, 0 anonymous users