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[sushi.]

Chapter 27 is when Sasuke had another flashback moment of his team --- (Or something. Can't really remember.)
Chapter 627 is when it happens again in direct parallel but with Itachi.


Anyone think that Kishi is preparing a NS moment to be in parallel with an earlier chapter?

I bet 650.

(450 guyys)

[Fenris]

@dark

How are things going? Tbh, the chapter seemed more Pro SK then pro anything else.

[sushi.]

@dark

How are things going? Tbh, the chapter seemed more Pro SK then pro anything else.

wat, Sasuke looks really uncomfortable with Karin. And he should face consequences for his betrayal before getting with anyone.

[Sakamaki Izayoi]

@dark

How are things going? Tbh, the chapter seemed more Pro SK then pro anything else.

Asspulls + inconsistences...

[Fenris]

@Sushi Ahaha well, just sayin' SK cause I've never really seen Sasuke make that emotion before --or any emotion-- with anyone besides Naruto or Itachi. I'm probably wrong though. Plus I think Karin and Sasuke have more of a bond than he and Sakura do, though he did try to kill them both. Maybe Sasuke just doesn't 'fit' with anybody.

[sushi.]

Forgot to mention, someone on NF mentioned that Karin can read lies because she's a sensory type, Sasuke's apology might have been true. Either way, I did see the potential in SK, but right now I don't see it happening.

Edited by sushi., 12 April 2013 - 04:31 PM.

[Shadow1275]

Eating out took precedence over finishing this debate. My apologies.


A few things to point out here once again:
Her ability to fight beyond her normal capacity was actually the result of her emotional motivation, which in this case comes from the prospect of gaining information about Sasuke:

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Chakra Enhanced Strength, once again, works through the concentrating of one’s chakra into a small area along one's body, then releasing all of that chakra simultaneously at the point of impact, hence why her strikes may be considered feats of superhuman strength. Her true physical strength, however, is average, even amongst kunoichi.

If we are to consider her ability to push a boulder off of Chiyo (and apparently fling it at Sasori, as you have asserted) as proof of her physical strength [Strength Stat: 3.0], then we would also have to consider people like Temari [3.5] as having superhuman strength.

Her “incredible” ability to evade during the Sasori fight was acquired only after reading Sasori’s attack patterns during the time that she WAS being controlled by Chiyo. Without the proper time needed to analyze an opponent, her evasion abilities are less than exemplary, as shown once again here:

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However, I am not here to downplay Sakura’s feats during the Kazekage Rescue arc. Her fight with Sasori ranks second only to Naruto’s fight against Pain out of all Part 2 fights, in my opinion. It was actually from there that I began to like Sakura and developed high expectations for her as the series’ heroine. Unfortunately, her development past that point, especially in the area of physical abilities, fell short of almost all expectations.

Bolded: Exactly. She was stated at the beginning of Part 2 to have the potential to surpass Tsunade. And yet here we are, 400 chapters later, with Sakura not having further improved any of her abilities save for a random upgrade in poison making (her only successful victim being Naruto) and the acquired use of smokebombs (her only successful victims being her own teammates) . What about her inherent skill in genjutsu, or her foreshadowed ability to summon slugs, or her attainment of the Yin Seal and any other one of Tsunade’s medical abilities? Kishimoto had hundreds of opportunities to develop her in any of these areas in the past 7 years, but he chose to completely neglect her. Now, it is far too late to develop any of these areas without making it feel like an asspull, and even then it would not make up for all the time he has essentially had her sidelined.


I don’t even need to disagree with regards to Sakura getting over her love for Sasuke; I wish for it to happen just as much as any of you do. Her feelings are almost completely unjustified, and it has been a continuous dark stain on her character ever since Part I.

As to your opinion of her being emotionally strong for the sake of Naruto, I’d have to respectfully disagree. In fact, I believe that she has regressed in that regard.
Again, how does one go from this:

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To this:

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Disregarding the fact that she didn't exactly do much during the Sasuke & Sai arc, I held some semblance of respect for her when she tried to stay strong and encourage Naruto at the end. By the Kage Summit, however, she's the one breaking into tears, and Naruto, who's arguably experiencing a lot more stress at that moment, has to be the one to comfort her. What the hell happened? That's not even considering her misleading words of reassurance that "we'll get stronger together"....

In terms of her being emotionally strong because of her resolve to kill Sasuke, are we going to forget that this ended up happening?

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F*king ridiculous.

And let's not forget that her resolve to help Naruto get Sasuke back, which she stated herself at the end of Part I and reinforced at the beginning of Part II:

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...was completely destroyed with this one panel:

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Looks like it's back to cheering on the sidelines once again.

In short, Sakura is a character who was given great initial potential as the main heroine, but had her development left severely neglected, and in the end has regressed back to a role on the sidelines.

Took you long enough Anyways, really busy with that paper but I will respond to this eventually, probs later today.

[TouKen4Life3g]

It's not the matter of pairing. It's the matter of how the story is going as will there be a final climax of Naruto vs. Sasuke rather than settle down to just friendly fight. That said I'm not jumping conclusion but it's definitely in question. I don't buy that he's good completely, but he's on the path, which is a good thing.

[T XD]

I don't think that Sasuke is 100% good. I think there will be a reason for him to fight Naruto like he'll reveal something for him or it could be anything. It's the final battle which it isn't going to be just a match on the way.

[sushi.]

I don't think that Sasuke is 100% good. I think there will be a reason for him to fight Naruto like he'll reveal something for him or it could be anything. It's the final battle which it isn't going to be just a match on the way.

I hope so, but I wonder how he'll do that without being fickle again. Maybe he'll protect Konoha "in his own way", but that'll just be stupid.

[六道仙人]

Chapter 27 is when Sasuke had another flashback moment of his team --- (Or something. Can't really remember.)
Chapter 627 is when it happens again in direct parallel but with Itachi.


Anyone think that Kishi is preparing a NS moment to be in parallel with an earlier chapter?

mmmh... just a mere coincidenze...

[T XD]

I hope so, but I wonder how he'll do that without being fickle again. Maybe he'll protect Konoha "in his own way", but that'll just be stupid.

Anything can be a reason for Sasuke from his own opinion after Hashirama's story that can set the battle between him and Naruto.

[TouKen4Life3g]

Anything can be a reason for Sasuke from his own opinion after Hashirama's story that can set the battle between him and Naruto.

His choice of words are very vague, that it's hard to call him redemption. Right now, I see him as on the road. He probably pull a break at one stop and someone got to move him. One thing I think people don't know yet is that will he even accept people from outside to help him, knowing Kages already going to do their part? I think people got the sense that the latest chapter was too happy. I saw it that Hokages are the one that are happy while Sasuke doesn't say much and want to see himself if this is truly right and what else to expect to learn from this war. I bet the music they all hearing is like the ending of a fairy tale. But I digress.

[bthug]

What I don't get is, if he ends up protecting the village, why fight Naruto? Maybe he will be persuaded by Obito, I doubt it since Itachi is clearly on the village's side since day one.

You can kinda see the pairing parallels behind the men in each corner (Naruto/Sasuke) Pink hair girls, medics, caring, Sakura liked Sasuke, Karin respects Naruto, Uzumaki on each end, idk am I pulling at straws here..probably.

[T XD]

What I don't get is, if he ends up protecting the village, why fight Naruto? Maybe he will be persuaded by Obito, I doubt it since Itachi is clearly on the village's side since day one.

You can kinda see the pairing parallels behind the men in each corner (Naruto/Sasuke) Pink hair girls, medics, caring, Sakura liked Sasuke, Karin respects Naruto, Uzumaki on each end, idk am I pulling at straws here..probably.

Fighting Naruto will be from his own reason that will be in contradiction from Naruto's of course. We don't know what he's thinking. He can just say his thoughts and then you'll have the fight of Naruto vs Sasuke after a while.

[TouKen4Life3g]

Fighting Naruto will be from his own reason that will be in contradiction from Naruto's of course. We don't know what he's thinking. He can just say his thoughts and then you'll have the fight of Naruto vs Sasuke after a while.

We don't know what's on Sasuke's mind besides stopping Madara. I always said that him and Madara is pretty much inevitable. The only part is that how he will get to that, and well, we got our answer. With Sasuke, you just don't know what will come next. He has been jumpy, so don't be surprised if it happens again. Again, the problem is that Sasuke only said few lines after coming to the decision. Actually, one line. The rest is for Karin. The point is that we only could take it what he said, much like how people thought he's good when Itachi came back, but in reality, he's only keeping his hate inside and seems like it will continue on until someone get rid of it or at least get rid of all the grudge. To me, I'm starting to see this is a closure for Sasuke and Itachi, which someone in here made a point, it was about Itachi. So this is the result.

Besides, I do think Kishi got himself locked because if Sasuke was to say, "I'm still going to destroy" he's a goner and Orochimaru already got trouble with Hashirama, so it's like you want Sasuke really beat all of them or not.if they were to happen, that's topping Search for Itachi Arc in terms of running riot. So yeah, pretty much cornered. I don't know, I'll wait to make my final judgment.

[Dkey]

The thing that bugs me is the power of this assembled team.

On one hand we have the Kages that probably will fight unrestricted by Orochimaru. And the contemporary Kages can't aren't even near the power level of the previous Hokages.
Only Hashirama coming to the battlefield and it could've felt enough but no all 4 come.
Then we have Orochimaru and Sasuke both on Kage level ( assuming that Naruto and Sasuke are at the same level and Naruto is Kage level ).


On the other side we have

Obito upgraded to Rinnegan but he doesn't really seem that strong. Naruto and Kakashi could've handled him.
Madara the one that is basically at Hashirama's level with upgrades now.
And the Juubi that right now is unshackled by both of them.

Now probably to equalize this we will be shown the power of Juubi and probably it will restore itself to full and go on a rampage.
Whatever, I'm just gonna hide the day any volume ending chapters appear and let Kishi try to unravel this Gordian Knot he made out of Naruto.

[T XD]

We don't know what's on Sasuke's mind besides stopping Madara. I always said that him and Madara is pretty much inevitable. The only part is that how he will get to that, and well, we got our answer. With Sasuke, you just don't know what will come next. He has been jumpy, so don't be surprised if it happens again. Again, the problem is that Sasuke only said few lines after coming to the decision. Actually, one line. The rest is for Karin. The point is that we only could take it what he said, much like how people thought he's good when Itachi came back, but in reality, he's only keeping his hate inside and seems like it will continue on until someone get rid of it or at least get rid of all the grudge. To me, I'm starting to see this is a closure for Sasuke and Itachi, which someone in here made a point, it was about Itachi. So this is the result.

Besides, I do think Kishi got himself locked because if Sasuke was to say, "I'm still going to destroy" he's a goner and Orochimaru already got trouble with Hashirama, so it's like you want Sasuke really beat all of them or not.if they were to happen, that's topping Search for Itachi Arc in terms of running riot. So yeah, pretty much cornered. I don't know, I'll wait to make my final judgment.

He's been jumpy, or he's always jumpy, which is why I said that Sasuke can declare anything from his own opinion that will set the final battle. Talking what will probably happen after his already stated statement for the current time XD

Edited by T XD, 12 April 2013 - 06:29 PM.

[redragon88]

He's been jumpy, or he's always jumpy, which is why I said that Sasuke can declare anything from his own opinion that will set the final battle. Talking what will probably happen after his already stated statement for the current time XD

Well, at least Kishimoto is staying true to his words:

Question: How will the story of Naruto and Sasuke continue from this point on?
Kishimoto-sensei: They will meet again, this time during the war. Just wait until you see what is happening then!

Question: We will soon be entering into the climax of the Fourth Shinobi World War arc, please tell us some of the key points that will be coming soon!
Kishimoto-sensei: Everything from here on out is key and everything is just going to get more and more electrifying! All your favorite characters will shine brightly so please continue to enjoy Naruto as the great Shinobi World War reaches its climax!

http://www.saiyanisl...next-few-weeks/

Let's hope that Sakura is still one of those favorite characters.

It seems to me that the war will just serve as another meeting point for Naruto and Sasuke, but it didn't give me the feeling it would be the final one. That's interesting to me.

[Dkey]

Well, at least Kishimoto is staying true to his words:



http://www.saiyanisl...next-few-weeks/

Let's hope that Sakura is still one of those favorite characters.

It seems to me that the war will just serve as another meeting point for Naruto and Sasuke, but it didn't give me the feeling it would be the final one. That's interesting to me.

Yeah well what the hell role did Kishi decided to have for Sakura. Pairing fodder or will she do something? Healing is important but not even that got her the attention other characters got. One panel in 615? Cmon

Edited by Dkey, 12 April 2013 - 06:47 PM.