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[Michi]

Luffy why have you gone to the darkside? Also why do ns fans keep buying naruto/sj related stuff? We say we don't like the ending, but we keep buying stuff because it has a bit of ns. 

luffy is the most sarcastic turd in this forum.

he is just joking. lol

....Or is he ?

[Gaara's hair]

luffy is the most sarcastic turd in this forum.

he is just joking. lol

....Or is he ?

The world may never know

[Swagkura]

you add whiskers to it: Biggest Abomination in the History of Manga.

Just the thought of it brings tears of horror to my eyes.

[Phantom_999]

was this interview posted? i think they're trying to make the idea of ns look bad by bringing up the fake confession.

jap raw

Ayup,Naruto and Hinata, by physical appearance are not compatible with eachother. Ergo the butt ugly kids

Edited by Phantom_999, 14 April 2015 - 07:30 PM.

[LuckyChi7]

 Also why do ns fans keep buying naruto/sj related stuff? We say we don't like the ending, but we keep buying stuff because it has a bit of ns. 

 

 

I think the biggest reason is probably nostalgia sake of the good times. I mean to be far  I didn't buy the latest volume (69) someone just handed it to me because they had a whole bunch of copies. Now my best friend regardless of the ending  is still planning on buying all of the volumes in the series just for that reason alone. Now I've said this before, but the closest thing for me  to get the Volumes is up to Volume 71 for probably the 100th time I've mentioned why and hopefully the last. When chapter 690 ends you can make your own head canon about how things turned out in terms of the ending of the war, the resolution of NaruSaku, and most importantly the finale of Naruto vs Sasuke. Granted I'm not gonna lie I do feel conflicted from time to time about the day Volume 71 comes out in the US. When you think about my reasons behind it it makes somewhat sense. To me that was the final volume of the series not the kitten that was Volume 72.  All of the character development that every character including Sakura, Naruto, Kakashi, and Sasuke went through all of it gets saved. Now look I know some of you may argue, but Naruto VS Sasuke hadn't happen yet, you know what just head canon the damn fight I truly believe you can do that.  Plus when it came to Road to Ninja I got that movie prior to the ending, and the movie had already shipped by the time the ending came out. Was I gonna trash it because of how kitten the ending was no because that's a movie that I love to watch even if it can be depressing to watch it because of the ending.  Plus to be honest Ria considered Road to Ninja like Strong World Version of The Naruto Movies. I could see her point in that context, but I don't know. I'm hopefully trying to explain why peeps continue to buy the product. That particular reason like I said before is the sake of nostalgia is why some people are continuing to buy Naruto related stuff. For me my final thing regarding Products was Road To Ninja: Naruto The Movie, and if there's going to be something else it's going to be kittening Volume 71, and even then I'm not even sure if I'm even going to get the damn volume. But I digress, hopefully I brought my point across, I'm  not trying to sound like a jerk I just wanted to get some things from the series off my chest that's all. 

[TouKen4Life3g]

Thank God for Internet for nostalgia sake.

Edited by NaruSaku4Life3g, 14 April 2015 - 07:49 PM.

[LuckyChi7]

Thank God for Internet for nostalgia sake.

 

I know right if I really wanted to I could just pull up the chapter and read it online well on Mangapanda more specficially since the only chapters they've got on Mangastream are the last two in the series which ugh.... Someone I pray when that final volume comes out burn it burn it, and make a great campfire and some delicious graham crackers chocolate bar and marshmallows to make some smores out of it . Unless the connection sucks and you have to get a physical copy to feel nostalgic then yeah that would be a somewhat of a problem.  

[Nar123]

I agree with everything you said but NaruHina/SasuSaku are much more developed than ObiRin, Rin was about to confess to Kakashi after Obito saved them and is presumably dead, she dies than magically loves him in the after-life and tells him he did his best

 

I have a question, do you think MinaKushi is better/equal to ObiRin/NaruSaku? Because that paring had just a flashback while Boro/Sara will (presumably) have the whole Mini-Series/Movie.

 

MinaKushi is the one pairing that Kishi (or the editors)  did completely "right" because in most of their interactions they were already a estabilished couple.

 

I also don't see SS/NH above obirin, all of these were painfully onesided with SS having a lot of negative development, Obito may look like a creep because his reasons for liking Rin so much were never fully disclosed due to author incompetency, but you can't deny that Rin herself was kind and supportive of him all the time

 

Just this equal relationship they had already puts them above what SS/NH meant during the canon manga, of course after Rin's death Obito went completely nuts (which could have been better developed if we knew the reason of why his love for her was so strong) 

Edited by Nar123, 14 April 2015 - 08:35 PM.

[Nar123]

LMAO you guys

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Has anyone else seen this meme going around?
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Kishimoto: ah yes! I love Naruto and Sasukes children! Boruto, Sarada, *looks at smudged writing in hand* Himalayas

[ichigo500]

LMAO you guys

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  I'm sure he doesn't even know she exists, and this is one of the reasons that push me to think that there won't be a third child.

[TheBestUsernameEver]

  I'm sure he doesn't even know she exists, and this is one of the reasons that push me to think that there won't be a third child.

 Which is really sad when you think that Kishi modeled the NH kids after his own. An elder son and a younger daughter. 

[WhyDoIWatch]

 

MinaKushi is the one pairing that Kishi (or the editors)  did completely "right" because in most of their interactions they were already a estabilished couple.

 

I also don't see SS/NH above obirin, all of these were painfully onesided with SS having a lot of negative development, Obito may look like a creep because his reasons for liking Rin so much were never fully disclosed due to author incompetency, but you can't deny that Rin herself was kind and supportive of him all the time

 

Just this equal relationship they had already puts them above what SS/NH meant during the canon manga, of course after Rin's death Obito went completely nuts (which could have been better developed if we knew the reason of why his love for her was so strong) 

Of course I agree Rin was supportive/kind my problem just lies in the fact that she never loved him and the things Obito did, ts like Sakura going from loving Sasuke to loving Kiba out of nowhere, though i'll admit I did like the paring in the Kakashi Gaiden Flashback.

 

SS/NH are above ObiRin because Obito's obsession far surpasses Hinata/Sakura's love and unlike ObiRin, NH/SS at least had an excuse, Sasuke had not so good goals while Hinata is shy and Naruto's dense. Plus NH/SS had more "proper" development and wasn't inconsistent.

I think Obito had a good reason to love/like Rin its just Kishi plays around with "love" too often, characters that haven't been shown to express this emotion get it (Example-Jiraya loving Tsunade, Rin loving Kakashi).

[tricksie]

Ah, I know the fic you're talking about. My only issue with it is that, as something that was made to spite the ending, it seems to blame everything on Naruto, especially in the relationship department between him and Sakura, so I thought it was a bit slanted in that sense. Overall it was good.
 

 

Yeah, know what you mean about the fic. It was definitely slanted. But it was refreshing to see the rest of Team 7 calling out Naruto for his actions. And it was a nice twist to see Sasuke supporting Sakura by being disappointed in Naruto right along with her. It just a nice change from a lot of the Naruto-worshipping fics that are out there. In canon, there should still be a lot of Uchiha hate out there!

 

 

 

What is you're opinion of the overall morality of the massacre? I see a lot of anti posts on tumblr that are sympathetic towards Sasuke because somehow (it is still lost on me) Naruto abandoned Sasuke, and that the Uchiha didn't get justice. They go on to slam Konoha and try to paint the Uchiha as good figures, and they say that Konoha justifies genocide and what not, but they never once take to time to mention that the Uchiha would have been guilty of a genocide hundreds of times larger had they got their way.

I've maintained that the massacre was the shittiest outcome of an already sh*tty situation, and while Konoha was wrong in their actions, the Uchiha were just as equally guilty because they were ready to sacrifice millions of lives because they felt that their blood entitled them to lead the village without ever working for it, simply because they were Uchiha. So, in my mind, while they didn't deserve to get massacred, the assumption they deserve justice is used extremely loosely.

Where is it that you stand on that front?

 

So true!! Completely agree!! The resolution of the story should have included Madara's role in the beginning of the Uchiha, how he sowed the hatred and then later using Obito to bring it to the surface. But all that was just dropped. Because that history was included in the beginning part of the story, it should have been part of the ending. 

 

The coup doesn't make any sense to me, because the reasons for it were shady and what they hoped to gain was equally amorphous. Did they want the power or control? The wealth of Konoha or the ability to rule? None of that is ever delved into. Certainly they couldn't have all been war-mongering killers, down to the grandmothers and the young children. So I have a hard time believing that the whole clan deserved to be murdered in their beds. 

 

It's a troubling issue — though most may have supported a coup that doesn't mean they all deserve to be brutally murdered for it — and one that should have been resolved in the end by laying blame where it falls: to Madara and Obito. 

 

Sasuke could have easily been shown finding a scroll in the rubble of a clan meeting house, written with the arguments for and against what they were choosing to do. Showing that they weren't all involved, and many wanted peace. Easy peasy.

 

HOWEVER, if Kishi did that, then it undermines Saint Itachi completely. For Itachi to look good, everyone else in his clan to look/be bad.

 

I think the Uchiha massacre is a sticky situation because Kishimoto is so hell-bent on redeeming his villainous characters. If the Uchiha clan are shown to be at all innocent or caught in the cross-hairs of a larger situation, then Madara's backstory and Obito and Itachi's "justified" killing of the clan and subsequent redemption stories backfire.

 

Anyway, I'm not throwing bukets of sympathy at the Uchihas. You're right - they were planning a coup. But since their massacre was so central to the plot and so much the driving force of Sasuke's like, then it should have been resolved. After all - Sasuke's avowed goal is to redeem his clan. And since doing this directly at odds with Itachi's goal of peace at any cost (even if it means killing his family) - then this seemingly unsolvable puzzle is the centerpiece of the story!!! This is what Kishimoto should have resolved! 

 

This is the piece the reader can't figure out on their own, and this is where it's the writer's job to come up with something imaginative to resolve the story. There should have been some sense made out of the tragic events that put Sasuke on his life's path. But in the end, just like Naruto, Sasuke's, as well as the Uchiha clan's, story arc goes unresolved. 

 

The Uchiha clan shouldn't get pardoned because they deserved it, but there should be some satisfactory resolution for them because Sasuke has worked so hard for it. And this is reinforced by Naruto and Sakura, the other two main characters, supporting Sasuke unequivocally in his quest (thereby becoming his new family). 

[Konoha'sCrimsonFox]

Wow. It's the first time I ever seen Luffy changed his avatar since I joined this forum. And its the same as AKH

Good God, Mortal Kombat X is brutal.

So, what are we talking about here?

 

The full content comes out in half and hour for me all because Steam made a mistake and forgot to launch the full game yesterday. And I will be starting work at that time 

[TouKen4Life3g]

Now I think about it, yeah, Bolt is much worse in unique design. But I guess I don't really care about him. Shouldn't start off with bratty attitude that is about to look like a ripoff of Black Clover, which is a ripoff to Naruto.

My head hurts...

[Bryon_Konoha_Ninja]

 

The coup doesn't make any sense to me, because the reasons for it were shady and what they hoped to gain was equally amorphous. Did they want the power or control? The wealth of Konoha or the ability to rule? None of that is ever delved into. Certainly they couldn't have all been war-mongering killers, down to the grandmothers and the young children. So I have a hard time believing that the whole clan deserved to be murdered in their beds. 

 

It's a troubling issue — though most may have supported a coup that doesn't mean they all deserve to be brutally murdered for it — and one that should have been resolved in the end by laying blame where it falls: to Madara and Obito. 

 

Sasuke could have easily been shown finding a scroll in the rubble of a clan meeting house, written with the arguments for and against what they were choosing to do. Showing that they weren't all involved, and many wanted peace. Easy peasy.

 

HOWEVER, if Kishi did that, then it undermines Saint Itachi completely. For Itachi to look good, everyone else in his clan to look/be bad.

 

I think the Uchiha massacre is a sticky situation because Kishimoto is so hell-bent on redeeming his villainous characters. If the Uchiha clan are shown to be at all innocent or caught in the cross-hairs of a larger situation, then Madara's backstory and Obito and Itachi's "justified" killing of the clan and subsequent redemption stories backfire.

 

Anyway, I'm not throwing buckets of sympathy at the Uchihas. You're right - they were planning a coup. But since their massacre was so central to the plot and so much the driving force of Sasuke's like, then it should have been resolved. After all - Sasuke's avowed goal is to redeem his clan. And since doing this directly at odds with Itachi's goal of peace at any cost (even if it means killing his family) - then this seemingly unsolvable puzzle is the centerpiece of the story!!! This is what Kishimoto should have resolved! 

 

This is the piece the reader can't figure out on their own, and this is where it's the writer's job to come up with something imaginative to resolve the story. There should have been some sense made out of the tragic events that put Sasuke on his life's path. But in the end, just like Naruto, Sasuke's, as well as the Uchiha clan's, story arc goes unresolved. 

 

The Uchiha clan shouldn't get pardoned because they deserved it, but there should be some satisfactory resolution for them because Sasuke has worked so hard for it. And this is reinforced by Naruto and Sakura, the other two main characters, supporting Sasuke unequivocally in his quest (thereby becoming his new family). 

 

Tricksie, you nailed it. I know that in the long run for my fanfic, I want to be able to try to resolve this, though I worry too much of doing what Kishimoto-sensei did and trying too hard to have some empathy and "rewarding" Sasuke for his decisions. I figure that the best approach is to show there likely were some others in the clan besides Itachi and Shisui who didn't like the idea of the coup, and that the Curse of Hatred could have been written as stemming from Madara, given he began the Uchiha Clan's hate of the Hidden Leaf since he was obviously bitter he wasn't made Hokage when he felt he was more deserving of it due to his blood and Kekkei Genkai. Not to mention we never knew if he finished off Izuna when Tobirama fatally wounded him, considering he REFUSED to a truce when Izuna suggested it, and given Madara's hate for weakness and the Senju, why wouldn't he kill his brother to carry on the cycle of hate he was born into?!

 

This is another reason Naruto was so wasted! X_X Nothing really got resolved because Studio Pierrot stuck their hands in the cookie jar and wanted to reward Hinata, or Kishimoto-sensei, or whatever the kitten happened!!!

[Namikaze Clan]

  I'm sure he doesn't even know she exists, and this is one of the reasons that push me to think that there won't be a third child.

Well, since the third child would have the Byakugan, that would make him/her more important than Himawari. The older kid takes after the dad, the the younger one the mom, and the middle gets absolutely nothing. Her fighting style would just be an inferior version of her father's and Bolt's

[Konoha'sCrimsonFox]

our scars run deep that day, but scars fade over time. plus, it helps that bolt and sarada are the recovery ship, so we'll be just fine. thank god kishi gave us pity.

 

[luffyq1]

Wow. It's the first time I ever seen Luffy changed his avatar since I joined this forum. And its the same as AKH

 

The full content comes out in half and hour for me all because Steam made a mistake and forgot to launch the full game yesterday. And I will be starting work at that time 

i miss it now 

 

sorry ahk-senpai.

Edited by luffyq1, 14 April 2015 - 09:53 PM.

[Gaara's hair]

i miss it now 

WHO ARE YOU

Luffy came back! Haven't seen you

Edited by Gaara's hair, 14 April 2015 - 09:53 PM.