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[Sakamaki Izayoi]

lol NH fans

http://25.media.tumb...gbjvqo1_500.jpg

>MUH "DEAL WITH IT"

Edited by Dαrkrєrsŧ, 06 April 2014 - 09:29 PM.

[Gojira]

Not exactly clear on the response but okey dokey

[shisui]

does anybody know what this is?

sasuke is like

This might have only been found out by some of you now, but this is quite old.

[Sakamaki Izayoi]

Not exactly clear on the response but okey dokey

THere's a deal with it on the corner of the image.

[megi]

I hear that since there is a new opening/ending for that anime that has parts of 615 in it, old arguments have been surfacing up. I don't watch the anime so I don't really know what it looks like. It's not surprising to me that it would appear in an OP/ED, i mean it's featured on a volume cover. I hope the animation looks nice.

[Ausakura]

lol NH fans

http://25.media.tumb...gbjvqo1_500.jpg

Ah, right, because the whole volume was about giving hands, sitting under a tree, sharing apple pie and true love, of course.

 

And PFF, one page of NS counter a volume of NH?

Sure NH is pretty fragile to go down with this little, eh!   This is how powerful our ship is! We're super effective! 

Edited by Ausakura, 07 April 2014 - 12:26 AM.

[rocci]

Maybe it Hinata eat the fruit of jubi, naruto will look at Hinata in romantic light

[luffyq1]

Maybe it Hinata eat the fruit of jubi, naruto will look at Hinata in romantic light

He already does look at her in a romantic light. The fruit will make Naruto get on one knee and propose to her.

[rocci]

@luffy
Hell yeah, maybe Hinata will gain bunny ear and tail after she eat the fruit and I doubt naruto can resist the charm of bunny girl

[Gojira]

THere's a deal with it on the corner of the image.

Huh I didn't see that before.

[Dalton.T.R]

 

Bias in general and ignoring logical things but whats new? 

Typical NH fanbase for ya.

[Gojira]

Anyone else notice that after the second part II story arc (Sai/Sasuke) the NS hints have become more and more ambiguous?

 

With something as major as what happened in chapter 297 never brought up or referenced again despite being such a major declaration in the pairing wars, I'm starting to think Kishi forgot about it especially since these last few years he's been focusing on how much Sakura loves Sasuke and appreciates Naruto inspiring her (wonder what its gonna take for her to actually start loving him or realize she loves him or something because at this point if dying isn't even really enough to get her attention I'm not exactly sure what will.)

[rocci]

@pepsi
It need 300 chapter or so to tell that minato is naruto father.
In my opinion, It's his style that throwing a fact than explain it later even if it take hundred chapters.

[咲耶姫]

might as well get other peoples' opinions on this
 
But is it more likely that Minato meant this in a platonic way or a non-platonic way?
 

You already ask this question and I already gave you a response at that time, but I will repeat it. 

 

It's a question of interpretation. What Minato said in the raw and in the tanslation can apply to both: a father leaving his son in this son's future wife, or just Minato asking Sakura to heal Naruto. But I have to say I'm more leaned towards the first option, since she was already healing him when he's saying that, and it looks more like something he's telling to himself, like she's not supposed to hear. And it would go along what he thought previously "This girl looks a little like Kushina"

 

And I say that it's about interpretation, because you will never gain a response from Kishimoto in the manga about this simple phrase. It's you who have to choose if you want to take it as a NS hint or as a request from Minato to Sakura, asking her to heal his son.

[Gojira]

You already ask this question and I already gave you a response at that time, but I will repeat it. 
 
It's a question of interpretation. What Minato said in the raw and in the tanslation can apply to both: a father leaving his son in this son's future wife, or just Minato asking Sakura to heal Naruto. But I have to say I'm more leaned towards the first option, since she was already healing him when he's saying that, and it looks more like something he's telling to himself, like she's not supposed to hear. And it would go along what he thought previously "This girl looks a little like Kushina"
 
And I say that it's about interpretation, because you will never gain a response from Kishimoto in the manga about this simple phrase. It's you who have to choose if you want to take it as a NS hint or as a request from Minato to Sakura, asking her to heal his son.

Last time I asked was to see if it was or not for a fact, now I ask for general opinions.

[咲耶姫]

Last time I asked was to see if it was or not for a fact, now I ask for general opinions.

Ah okay, my bad. Well, my opinion is that Minato meant it in a non-platonic way. 

[TouKen4Life3g]

If there's something I learned from wm, it's that don't think anything is predictable. That said I will keep think NH/SS until manga ends. End of story.

[Chatte]

Can I say something about this forum without anyone getting mad? This is constructive criticism and should be taken as such.

Keep in mind, I want to be completely fair on this and I don't want to start a fight. Take this as constructive criticism. For the members who will read this, I want you to keep this fact in mind: If you are not guilty of the criticism I am about to propose, then this post will have no affect on you what-so-ever. The moment you get pissed off just means that you are the very person I am referring to. I know who this applies to, but I am not going to mention them by name. Instead, like always, you know who you are. A lot who know me personally will also know who I am referring to and who I am NOT referring to.

Also make note that this is not directed at just one member, but rather several I have noticed and the behavior that comes with it. Truth be told, I am tired of dealing with this behavior and want to say this just once and especially for all the people who want to say something, but can't. I will also say that if you truly feel that I am wrong, then again this will not affect you in anyway. You have the right to completely ignore this post and bypass it altogether. It doesn't affect your life unless you want it to. Remember that. Self-determination. As far as you are concerned, this is just words. Words only have meaning if you give them meaning.

Alright, first off. Let me start by saying a true fact that we all should agree with: Opinions are only Opinions. No opinion is ever true fact nor should be treated as such. They can be based off facts, but never truly facts themselves. Opinions are subjective. They are merely ideas on situations or awareness. Opinions can be wrong as well as being right. It depends on what it is proven or what is not proven.

With that being said, some of you try to make it seem like your opinion is the word of god. That we must take your opinion as true fact and automatically assume that that is how things are. Some of you think as well have this problem that if a person doesn't automatically agree with you, then they must not be as intelligent as you and at times you try to use big words to make yourself feel special. Big words that are over-gratuitous just because you feel it makes you sound important. I can use big words too, but I rather speak with a language that anyone can understand not just to the apparent "high-class" members.

It is especially unnerving when I get responses like this:
 
Do you know how rude this sounds? Especially on a thread titled "debate thread" where these kinds of things are supposed to take place. Otherwise, why even have a forum at all? You might as well shut this place down if you have a problem with people disagreeing with you especially since this response is a double standard and it just means YOU can't take people disagreeing with you. I have another saying my grandmother used to use: "Look who is calling the kettle black."

You see, the other members of this forum are people too. People just like you who read the same manga and form their own opinions and even have the courtesy to listen to what you have to say. With all respect, you should be able to listen as well. Disagree or not. Some of you, the ones this post is directed at, do actually listen from time to time, but other times you become absolute hypocrites. Yes, I use the world hypocrites. No, it is not a bad word, but it is the only word that has the meaning I am trying to convey. I myself, am a hypocrite from time to time and I do admit this. It is a flaw all humans have. One difference is though is that I admit at times I am a hypocrite while others rather think they are immune to being such a person.

You might be asking me "What's your point" or  "what is the purpose of bringing this up." Well, this is a set up to something else I have noticed in the forum. Double standards in logic and thought process. I shall explain through example or samples if you will

-"You can't compare another anime couple to NaruSaku or certain situations to another manga because they are not the same thing."
Yet, right now in this debate thread, the very people who used this argument against me are using comparisons from other anime and manga to prove why their point is correct. Are you kidding me? You can't tell other people off for making comparisons and then start using them in your own arguments to make a point and expect the other person to "accept" this fact. That is just down right proves how self-determined you are to be right and how what I just mentioned above applies to you. You go for the low blows and yet tell the other person that it is an illegal maneuver like they can't use it against you. You either accept all of it or you accept none of it. You just can't blow someone's opinion off because you disagree with it and yet want me to listen to everything you have to say. Respect is what is required. You want me to listen to you, then you have to listen to me. Otherwise, why should I even take what you say seriously?
 
-"Hinata made vows/scene/words/gestures/moments that support NH in the end. So we have to see it as a threat."
Okay, so yes Hinata says and does this that are pro NaruHina, I am not denying this. However, my problem is is if Sakura does the same thing that supports NaruSaku, why does it all of a sudden mean nothing? Why on earth is Sakura's vows/development/thought process or anything of the sort that supports NaruSaku is automatically just blown off like "you can't take it as fact." Yet, if she does something with Sasuke or even thinks about him in anyway, you tells us we have to take it so seriously. No, that's not how things work and that's not how we should look at this manga. If the idea is to keep an open-mind you can't just close off your mind to parts of it because of whatever reason. That really is just plain pessimism. Half the time, when I see these kinds of ridiculous posts about certain stuff, I have to wonder if I am really in a NaruSaku fanclub website. Yes, there is such a thing as blind faith, but blind pessimism is just as real too. Maybe it's not that "NS moments don't exist," but rather you are so busy looking at all the negatives that this manga has and ignoring all the positives. Hell, maybe that is the reason why this manga is not suiting up to your fancy because you keep focusing on what you hate and not what you like. Of course, at times, I see people still be upset or mad even when they get exactly what they wanted which is something I still don't get.

-"I always have to be right."
While this is not a direct quote, it is sort of the attitude I see some members have. A lot of theories get made here which is great. We look at things never thought of before, but like I said some members have a problem accepting that maybe they could be wrong in their logic of thinking. I am not just talking about opinions on what they think about this manga that have no answer yet, but when they are actually proven wrong with facts despite them thinking what they feel is a fact. I have been wrong myself. Recently, while talking to someone really close to me about Sasuke and the recent chapter, they told me that maybe I reflect my anger for Sasuke as a character onto Naruto and lying to myself about certain "facts." She was right and I admitted to her I was wrong and perhaps it is my paranoia playing a part. After taking what she said to me, I saw a view point in this manga that helped me accept a lot of things I did not like. Sure, there are still stuff I did not like, but she helped me see things I never thought of before. She is also a NS fan, btw.

Back on topic though, I see members giving off this impression like they have to be right in what they say. If you prove them wrong, they change up their theory or they look at something else. Always changing to make sure they are right and you are wrong. When they are backed into a corner, then we get the whole "Someone can't disagree" response.

There is a saying that applies to this: "You cannot see the forest for the trees." You can't just look at one detail and assume it is the entire thing. Personally speaking, whenever I take a scene into consideration or a fact, I try to judge it against the manga entirely and how it plays a role. Sometimes I feel that scene plays a substandard role to fill a certain criteria. Sometimes I feel that scene has more merit. No, I don't judge scenes based on bias because I am not a NS fan only because I like the coupling. I like NS because I love the development between these two characters and how the writer sets it up. I don't know why people never look at the writing practices or tropes that do occur and take that into consideration.

Go to TV tropes and look at all the different styles to how certain elements can be used and how they can be used in the writer's favor to manipulate you, the reader, into thinking certain ways. Writers are like magicians and can be masters of illusion and deception. They make you focus on the right hand so you don't see what he is doing in his left.

A lot of old time members I am close with refuse to come to this forum ever again because they feel they are not being respected enough. Not because people disagree with them, but because they feel that people are not letting them have their own view point and being accused of not being real members because they have a more positive view of things. We have this problem before where members felt unwelcome because people who are being positive were being called "blind" or "delusional" and it is happening again.

My good friend Shadow Wolf being one of them. He wanted me to mention him by name as well.

I am already aware of how things are and what can be applied to me as well as other members. The question is, how many of you are aware of it as well?

I am as well... Besides other reasons you haven't mentioned here, these are some of the few I don't come here that often, anymore...
Say hi to Shadow Wolf from me. Miss him much!

[MoonDrop04]

Hey I don't know if this is a good idea but wouldn't it make sense for ten ten to go to the battlefield where spiral Zetsu is and use the sacred ninja tools on him?? If I remember correctly she also has that sword looking tool that records the persons favorite word and uses it against them. So if spiral Zetsu were to say his favorite word.......which we should all pretty much know....... Then that would Definetly be a way to defeat him. Not sure if it would work though so what do you guys think??

[TouKen4Life3g]

Hey I don't know if this is a good idea but wouldn't it make sense for ten ten to go to the battlefield where spiral Zetsu is and use the sacred ninja tools on him?? If I remember correctly she also has that sword looking tool that records the persons favorite word and uses it against them. So if spiral Zetsu were to say his favorite word.......which we should all pretty much know....... Then that would Definetly be a way to defeat him. Not sure if it would work though so what do you guys think??

Good but that will end what I believe it's Yamato behind that mask. So I will have mix feeling about it. Plus, we don't know where is she. I gotta say though. That would be huge rebound if she took out Zetsu from being background for so many years. Lol.