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Posted 12 April 2013 - 07:02 AM



Heres the raw version red

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Posted 12 April 2013 - 07:12 AM

Eating out took precedence over finishing this debate. My apologies. happy.gif

QUOTE (Shadow1275 @ Apr 11 2013, 06:25 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
In terms of Physical Sakura is one of the strongest Physical female characters in Naruto.

She can take a beating and still fight past her limit http://www.onemanga....to_manga/271/2/


She has incredible strength as she lifted a boulder off of Chiyo



She has incredible evasion and analysis skills not needing Chiyo http://www.onemanga....o_manga/270/11/

Her strength is further amplified by her incredible chakra control which can allow her to smash giant boulders and even Iron jutsu caused by the third Kazekage http://www.onemanga....o_manga/269/19/

Note that this strength increasing ability has only been used by two characters throughout the entire series. The only other character being Everyone's favorite blonde Bombshell Tsunade: A.K.A. Hokage and Sannin who Sakura is believed to be able to surpass

She has incredible intelligence demonstrated numerous times throughout the series, and is the only Female to actually win or tie in a direct one on one confrontation besides Tenten and Tsunade.

She has incredible prowess with Med-Ninjutsu being able to heal damage caused by the Nine-Tailed fox and developing antidotes for Sasori's poison. She can also develop poisons that will put Naruto on his butt.

A few things to point out here once again:
Her ability to fight beyond her normal capacity was actually the result of her emotional motivation, which in this case comes from the prospect of gaining information about Sasuke:

Chakra Enhanced Strength, once again, works through the concentrating of one’s chakra into a small area along one's body, then releasing all of that chakra simultaneously at the point of impact, hence why her strikes may be considered feats of superhuman strength. Her true physical strength, however, is average, even amongst kunoichi.

If we are to consider her ability to push a boulder off of Chiyo (and apparently fling it at Sasori, as you have asserted) as proof of her physical strength [Strength Stat: 3.0], then we would also have to consider people like Temari [3.5] as having superhuman strength.

Her “incredible” ability to evade during the Sasori fight was acquired only after reading Sasori’s attack patterns during the time that she WAS being controlled by Chiyo. Without the proper time needed to analyze an opponent, her evasion abilities are less than exemplary, as shown once again here:

However, I am not here to downplay Sakura’s feats during the Kazekage Rescue arc. Her fight with Sasori ranks second only to Naruto’s fight against Pain out of all Part 2 fights, in my opinion. It was actually from there that I began to like Sakura and developed high expectations for her as the series’ heroine. Unfortunately, her development past that point, especially in the area of physical abilities, fell short of almost all expectations.

Bolded: Exactly. She was stated at the beginning of Part 2 to have the potential to surpass Tsunade. And yet here we are, 400 chapters later, with Sakura not having further improved any of her abilities save for a random upgrade in poison making (her only successful victim being Naruto) and the acquired use of smokebombs (her only successful victims being her own teammates) . What about her inherent skill in genjutsu, or her foreshadowed ability to summon slugs, or her attainment of the Yin Seal and any other one of Tsunade’s medical abilities? Kishimoto had hundreds of opportunities to develop her in any of these areas in the past 7 years, but he chose to completely neglect her. Now, it is far too late to develop any of these areas without making it feel like an asspull, and even then it would not make up for all the time he has essentially had her sidelined.

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Emotional:

Sakura is an emotionally unstable character due to her feelings for Sasuke and Naruto. However, one aspect where she stands alone is her plot point of developing into a strong woman.

Sakura's feelings for Sasuke are clear. However, she struggles because throughout part 1 she fell in love with a person who never truly existed. She thought that he was cool and strong, without realizing that his main goal was power and revenge. However, there are signs of her slowly overcoming this Due to chapter 540.

In 540, a man approaches Sakura saying that he wants to give her a love-letter. Sakura turns him down saying that she already has feelings for another man. The man then says, "He must be a great man." To which Sakura looks very unhappy as she thinks of Sasuke surrounded by black fire. This shows that she has accepted her feelings as wrong which is the first step to moving on.

She also realizes this here http://www.onemanga....to_manga/483/8/

The other point I would like to make about Sakura in terms of Sasuke is that she never had any effect on him. Sasuke from the start has only cared about one person from team 7: Naruto. The same counts for part 1, when Sakura pleaded with him about his mark and to stay in Konoha, both times she was ignored. However, the main point to pay attention to is that she has never had a strong bond with Sasuke. In the first team 7 reunion, Sasuke even admitted this when he said his only bond was with Naruto.

In terms of Naruto however, Sakura has always been emotionally strong. Resolving to kill Sasuke despite her feelings for him for two reasons.

Reason one: To prevent Sasuke from falling deeper

Reason Two: To spare Naruto anymore pain http://www.onemanga....o_manga/459/16/

Other times are asking Chiyo if the Jinchurriki can be removed, then claiming that she wanted to do it because she was worried about him

Though she has also lost control of her emotions many times as well. However, in terms of weakness that can be considered relative. For example, Though she allowed two Zetsu to approach her, this was done out of Kindness in order to heal what appeared to be a husband and wife.

In terms of emotional control, there have been other times where she has controlled her emotions. During the Pain Arc, Naruto ordered all ninja to leave Pain to him. After the battle was over, Sakura walks up to Naruto and clearly says, "You always push yourself too hard." punching him in the process, classic Tsundere style. But then she hugs him with a worried look on her face. http://www.onemanga....to_manga/450/9/

This shows two things, one that she was able to control her emotions despite clearly worrying about him. But also that she respects Naruto to care about what he wants.

Other evidence of this respect include the Land of Iron Reunion where Naruto requests to fight Sasuke alone, and Sakura respects this and trusts him to do this.

In short, Physically, Sakura's power cannot be questioned. Emotionally she is a strong caring character who is only weak when directly confronting Sasuke.

I don’t even need to disagree with regards to Sakura getting over her love for Sasuke; I wish for it to happen just as much as any of you do. Her feelings are almost completely unjustified, and it has been a continuous dark stain on her character ever since Part I.

As to your opinion of her being emotionally strong for the sake of Naruto, I’d have to respectfully disagree. In fact, I believe that she has regressed in that regard.
Again, how does one go from this:
To this:
Disregarding the fact that she didn't exactly do much during the Sasuke & Sai arc, I held some semblance of respect for her when she tried to stay strong and encourage Naruto at the end. By the Kage Summit, however, she's the one breaking into tears, and Naruto, who's arguably experiencing a lot more stress at that moment, has to be the one to comfort her. What the hell happened? That's not even considering her misleading words of reassurance that "we'll get stronger together"....

In terms of her being emotionally strong because of her resolve to kill Sasuke, are we going to forget that this ended up happening?
F*king ridiculous.

And let's not forget that her resolve to help Naruto get Sasuke back, which she stated herself at the end of Part I and reinforced at the beginning of Part II:


...was completely destroyed with this one panel:

Looks like it's back to cheering on the sidelines once again. kruemelmonsteryn0.gif

In short, Sakura is a character who was given great initial potential as the main heroine, but had her development left severely neglected, and in the end has regressed back to a role on the sidelines.

Edited by Crimson, 12 April 2013 - 08:17 AM.


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Posted 12 April 2013 - 09:03 AM

QUOTE (Canadian_DJ @ Apr 12 2013, 03:02 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>


Heres the raw version red

Thanks, one of our members already talked about the meaning previously. Here it is:

QUOTE (六道仙人 @ Apr 11 2013, 03:11 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I've seen the raw cover of that chapter... But you know, sidetext aren't written by author but by editor. That's the reason that they're removed in tankobon verison.... These sidetext are non influential to the story.

この戦乱の世を舞う華たち―――決せよ、雌雄!!
literally is:
"There's dancing blossoms in this age of confusion.... Fight to the finish, males and females!"

The kanji of heroes is "雌雄" (Shuyuu) which means "male and female". But in this case, it can assume another meanings. Weblio.jp says to me:

雌雄(しゆう)

1. 動物。 (male animal and female animal)
2. 優劣勝敗 (merits and victory or defeat/issue(of battle)/outcome)

So I can see why they translated "hero and heroine in these conditions", so it's fine. So the right translation is this: "There's dancing blossoms in this age of confusion... Fight to the finish, Hero(s) and Heroine(s)"



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Posted 12 April 2013 - 09:27 AM

what's this ? https://www.welovefi...id_submit=13126

LOL Whe should have been a NS fanart

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Posted 12 April 2013 - 09:30 AM

QUOTE (六道仙人 @ Apr 12 2013, 06:27 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
what's this ? https://www.welovefi...id_submit=13126

LOL Whe should have been a NS fanart

agreed there's SS and NH already.
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Posted 12 April 2013 - 09:35 AM

QUOTE (Dαrkrєrsŧ @ Apr 12 2013, 11:30 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
agreed there's SS and NH already.


https://www.welovefi...id_submit=13359

like this amazing sketch :/

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Posted 12 April 2013 - 09:45 AM

QUOTE (六道仙人 @ Apr 12 2013, 06:35 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
https://www.welovefi...id_submit=13359

like this amazing sketch :/

I think it's going to be filtered they will pick only 5 to be rated by the guys.


Or i would write in japanese and send "Kishimoto wtf are you doing with the plot".

Edited by Dαrkrєrsŧ, 12 April 2013 - 09:46 AM.

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Posted 12 April 2013 - 09:51 AM

I saw one of each of them. That said funny, I don't know the rules, but shouldn't the work be original? Cause I see copyright. Well some, but still. Ah man, I want to make one...

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Posted 12 April 2013 - 09:53 AM

QUOTE (Dαrkrєrsŧ @ Apr 12 2013, 11:45 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I think it's going to be filtered they will pick only 5 to be rated by the guys.


Or i would write in japanese and send "Kishimoto wtf are you doing with the plot".


what's made me sad is that there isn't no NS fanart... Possible that around the world there's no one who have sketched our fandom? huh.gif We're too hesitant...

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Posted 12 April 2013 - 09:54 AM

QUOTE (六道仙人 @ Apr 12 2013, 05:53 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
what's made me sad is that there isn't no NS fanart... Possible that around the world there's no one who have sketched our fandom? huh.gif We're too hesitant...

Isn't there one right in page 1, as I see it in my face?

Ah, why I have no art skill!? Curses with big ideas with no exposition!

Edited by NaruSaku4Life3g, 12 April 2013 - 09:56 AM.


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Posted 12 April 2013 - 09:58 AM

QUOTE (NaruSaku4Life3g @ Apr 12 2013, 11:54 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Isn't there one right in page 1, as I see it in my face?

Ah, why I have no art skill!? Curses with big ideas with no exposition!


I don't see any NS sketch :/

btw...



made my day laugh.gif

never mind... I found one NS sketch... Not much great but at least exists!

https://www.welovefi...3539-submit.jpg

Edited by 六道仙人, 12 April 2013 - 09:59 AM.

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Posted 12 April 2013 - 10:01 AM

QUOTE (六道仙人 @ Apr 12 2013, 05:58 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I don't see any NS sketch :/

btw...



made my day laugh.gif

never mind... I found one NS sketch... Not much great but at least exists!

https://www.welovefi...3539-submit.jpg

Hm, you can enter 5 times. I wonder the great LadyGT did 5 times already.

Lol at above picture.

Edit: She only submitted 2. Hm, I wonder...

Edited by NaruSaku4Life3g, 12 April 2013 - 10:10 AM.


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Posted 12 April 2013 - 10:49 AM

QUOTE (NaruSaku4Life3g @ Apr 12 2013, 06:01 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Hm, you can enter 5 times. I wonder the great LadyGT did 5 times already.

Lol at above picture.

Edit: She only submitted 2. Hm, I wonder...

I wonder if she would think of submitting NaruSaku designs. Maybe if she didn't make it overly romantic it could be considered seriously. Or just do it romantic as all heck, what do I know? tongue.gif

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Posted 12 April 2013 - 11:15 AM

QUOTE (redragon88 @ Apr 12 2013, 08:49 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I wonder if she would think of submitting NaruSaku designs. Maybe if she didn't make it overly romantic it could be considered seriously. Or just do it romantic as all heck, what do I know? tongue.gif


I'm still looking for a good design and to be honest I was thinking about making one with a NaruSaku hint....so if you guys have an idea I would be glad to hear it wink.gif I have to make other 3 designs in 2 days D:
 
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Posted 12 April 2013 - 11:19 AM

QUOTE (LadyGT @ Apr 12 2013, 02:15 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I'm still looking for a good design and to be honest I was thinking about making one with a NaruSaku hint....so if you guys have an idea I would be glad to hear it wink.gif I have to make other 3 designs in 2 days D:


Why not a team 7 one and somehow inject the NS hint there.

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Posted 12 April 2013 - 11:23 AM

QUOTE (LadyGT @ Apr 12 2013, 01:15 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I'm still looking for a good design and to be honest I was thinking about making one with a NaruSaku hint....so if you guys have an idea I would be glad to hear it wink.gif I have to make other 3 designs in 2 days D:


A kiss on forehead laugh.gif But since the different Japanese culture about romantic gestures in public, best to avoid it laugh.gif

I'd like to see Sakura (maybe she's reading a naruto volume biggrin.gif) sitting on a bench while Naruto makes a surprise move from behind, covering her eyes with his hands and asks "Guess who!" with his usual stupid smile on his face.

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Posted 12 April 2013 - 11:26 AM

QUOTE (Dkey @ Apr 12 2013, 09:19 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Why not a team 7 one and somehow inject the NS hint there.


Yep thought about that too..... but there is one that I think might work:

chibi Naruto daydreaming about his main goals that appear in 3 different dreaming baloons:

1st one - Becoming Hokage
2nd one - Saving Sasuke
3rd one - get the girl of his dreams fu.png

Or a Minakushi/Narusaku inspired by the movie

QUOTE (六道仙人 @ Apr 12 2013, 09:23 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
A kiss on forehead laugh.gif But since the different Japanese culture about romantic gestures in public, best to avoid it laugh.gif

I'd like to see Sakura (maybe she's reading a naruto volume biggrin.gif) sitting on a bench while Naruto makes a surprise move from behind, covering her eyes with his hands and asks "Guess who!" with his usual stupid smile on his face.


this is really cute wub.gif (takes notes for a fiture fanart) ninja.gif

Edited by LadyGT, 12 April 2013 - 11:28 AM.

 
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Posted 12 April 2013 - 11:28 AM

QUOTE (LadyGT @ Apr 12 2013, 01:26 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Yep thought about that too..... but there is one that I think might work:

chibi Naruto daydreaming about his main goals that appear in 3 different dreaming baloons:

1st one - Becoming Hokage
2nd one - Saving Sasuke
3rd one - get the girl of his dreams fu.png

Or a Minakushi/Narusaku inspired by the movie



these would be great, especially the naruto daydreaming... sounds so...canon tongue.gif

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Posted 12 April 2013 - 11:38 AM

QUOTE (六道仙人 @ Apr 12 2013, 09:28 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
these would be great, especially the naruto daydreaming... sounds so...canon tongue.gif


Thank you glad you like them! but I think I should work on it more.... uuuuuummmmhhhhhhhhh


Oh I forgot to tell you guys that I'm disqualified from the competition since it's just for people who live in the US kruemelmonsteryn0.gif

I'll submit the rest of the designs anyways.

Edited by LadyGT, 12 April 2013 - 11:40 AM.

 
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Posted 12 April 2013 - 11:39 AM

I have to say that the recent design made by ladygt looks very professional, especially compared to the other ones.
Man i have no idea how something like that even works. The best i can do is draw something weird in paint laugh.gif

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