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[Canadian_DJ]

She says that it's rare for a woman like her to find a man who can match her.
In other words, "Sakura marry with Naruto"

Lol yeh i was thinking if that

@Slexstrem Ignore them, delete their comments and spam them.Do anything in your power to get rid of those arguments of his without replying back because silence is the bes tool against a fool.Dont listen to anyone because you video wasn't biased in the slightest it proved amazing posts.Keep up the good wok and dont let thaters get to ya.

@Phenix
Or whatever your name is lol, yeh sure no problem happy new year to you and everyone in H&E!!

maybe she'll finally surpass tsunade by landing a hit on madara or obito..?

Maybe you never know she might even be the on to take down kabuto, the start o this war for all we know.

Im positive sakura will get a BiG figh even if i isn' in this arc.

[Arachnia]

Time will tell, guys. I still have faith. I tell you one thing that time tells me: a new year!

HAPPY NEW YEAR!!!

Happy new year!!! idd

and for all users on this forum HAPPY new Year

[Qia]

Happy new year!!! idd

and for all users on this forum HAPPY new Year

Same to you!!!

[Tendo Ryuken]

I actually like Obito too for some reason.

seriously?
the mastermind behind the total destruction of konoha twice?
the idiot who got fed by madara's super duper awesome paradise ideals?
the very source of naruto's pain, sasuke's pain, itachi's pain etc etc etc etc?
instead of capturing the kyubi, he prefered to attack konoha 16 years ago?

IF HE REALLY LOVES RIN HE CAN JUST FIND A WAY TO USE A RINNE TENSEI (SACRIFICING HIS LIFE, PROVING HIS LOVE) TO REVIVE HER

IF HE REALLY WANTED TO CAST INFINITE TSUKOYOMI, HE CAN DO IT WITHOUT CREATING SO MUCH PAIN TO THE WORLD

obito is simply a psycho. who tried to force his ideal to everyone. the end


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Edited by Tendo Ryuken, 01 January 2013 - 06:19 AM.

[{Jade~Rabbit}]

HAPPY NEW YEARS EVERYONE! XDDDD

I will admit that when I first read the chapter it made me think NH was canon but oddly enough I still have hope for NS - I'm just gonna be chill about this though because I don't think Kishi even understands how badly this chapter is making his manga out to be.

I've been looking at Japanese posters on blogs and they don't seem pleased with this chapter at all. Because of Sakura's role so far and how poorly Kishi treated Neji. I wonder does he understand how impersonal he comes out with how he handled Neji's death? Everyone expects for an author to care about their characters, no matter who they are. If you're going to kill off a character, do it respectfully. It just seems like Neji was used in a poor attempt to scare us all into believing that this war is serious .

Neji deserved a better death BECAUSE of the fact that he was such a beloved character. Not only that but Kishi himself took time to develop Neji as a character period. Any character you create and then trash them just off a whim is disrespectful not only to his manga but to his readers too. Impersonal is the biggest word I can use to describe all of this. Cold-blooded too. Added on to the fact that you have Naruto and Hinata holding hands over his dead body and Hinata thinking about how big Naruto's hand is when her cousin just DIED for HER.

Shallow, immature and disrespectful.

I used to be the biggest Hinata fan but now I don't care at all for her. I blatantly dislike her now.

I hope NS happens more than ever now. Just to spite Hinata and also in my stupid hope that she will become more than just a girl pining to get in a guy's pants.

Edited by {Jade~Rabbit}, 01 January 2013 - 06:30 AM.

[xxRomanceGirlxx]

seriously?
the mastermind behind the total destruction of konoha twice?
the idiot who got fed by madara's super duper awesome paradise ideals?
the very source of naruto's pain, sasuke's pain, itachi's pain etc etc etc etc?
instead of capturing the kyubi, he prefered to attack konoha 16 years ago?

IF HE REALLY LOVES RIN HE CAN JUST FIND A WAY TO USE A RINNE TENSEI (SACRIFICING HIS LIFE, PROVING HIS LOVE) TO REVIVE HER

IF HE REALLY WANTED TO CAST INFINITE TSUKOYOMI, HE CAN DO IT WITHOUT CREATING SO MUCH PAIN TO THE WORLD

obito is simply a psycho. who tried to force his ideal to everyone. the end


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I never said he was one of my favorite characters. And no, I would NEVER in a million years excuse the actions he did. They are absolutely despicable in every possible way and he deserves to die. I just have this really weird nonsensical sympathy for him. Can't explain it, I know it's stupid but there it is.

Yes, there is clearly something wrong with me and how I don't completely hate his guts. xD As I said before:

THOSE DAMN FLASHBACKS! THEY MADE ME PITY HIM! WHY DID YOU DO THIS TO ME, KISHI!!!

Happy New Year!

[Tendo Ryuken]

I used to be the biggest Hinata fan
my stupid hope that she will become more than just a girl pining to get in a guy's pants.

so, you were a fan of a girl pining to get in a guy's pants?

I never said he was one of my favorite characters. And no, I would NEVER in a million years excuse the actions he did. They are absolutely despicable in every possible way and he deserves to die. I just have this really weird nonsensical sympathy for him. Can't explain it, I know it's stupid but there it is.

Yes, there is clearly something wrong with me and how I don't completely hate his guts. xD As I said before:

THOSE DAMN FLASHBACKS! THEY MADE ME PITY HIM! WHY DID YOU DO THIS TO ME, KISHI!!!

Happy New Year!

ohh. i see. im sorry

[kidNinja]

HAPPY NEW YEARS EVERYONE! XDDDD

I will admit that when I first read the chapter it made me think NH was canon but oddly enough I still have hope for NS - I'm just gonna be chill about this though because I don't think Kishi even understands how badly this chapter is making his manga out to be.

I've been looking at Japanese posters on blogs and they don't seem pleased with this chapter at all. Because of Sakura's role so far and how poorly Kishi treated Neji. I wonder does he understand how impersonal he comes out with how he handled Neji's death? Everyone expects for an author to care about their characters, no matter who they are. If you're going to kill off a character, do it respectfully. It just seems like Neji was used in a poor attempt to scare us all into believing that this war is serious .

Neji deserved a better death BECAUSE of the fact that he was such a beloved character. Not only that but Kishi himself took time to develop Neji as a character period. Any character you create and then trash them just off a whim is disrespectful not only to his manga but to his readers too. Impersonal is the biggest word I can use to describe all of this. Cold-blooded too. Added on to the fact that you have Naruto and Hinata holding hands over his dead body and Hinata thinking about how big Naruto's hand is when her cousin just DIED for HER.

Shallow, immature and disrespectful.

I used to be the biggest Hinata fan but now I don't care at all for her. I blatantly dislike her now.

I hope NS happens more than ever now. Just to spite Hinata and also in my stupid hope that she will become more than just a girl pining to get in a guy's pants.

To be honest, I wonder if Kishi has been making Hinata unlikable on purpose. Thinking about how she's been this entire war arc and other Naruto media, this seems to be the case.

Somebody correct me if I'm wrong but wasn't Kishi quoted saying "That he didn't give a single hoot about her."

I also wonder if he regrets creating her in the first place...

Edited by kidNinja, 01 January 2013 - 06:45 AM.

[James S Cassidy]

To be honest, I wonder if Kishi has been making Hinata unlikable on purpose. Thinking about how she's been this entire war arc and other Naruto media, this seems to be the case.

Somebody correct me if I'm wrong but wasn't Kishi quoted saying "That he didn't give a single hoot about her."

I also wonder if he regrets creating her in the first place...

I don't know if that is true, but if it is he failed miserably. Not only is she likable by the fans, but sometimes they prefer her more.

I will say this, the fan's views of her are a women who is very subservient. Not entirely sure if it is true to what she really is, but merely how the fans see her. Like if Naruto told her to jump off a bridge, she would do it without question. Even I know Hinata is not THAT obsessive.

Edited by James S Cassidy, 01 January 2013 - 06:50 AM.

[xxRomanceGirlxx]

HAPPY NEW YEARS EVERYONE! XDDDD

I will admit that when I first read the chapter it made me think NH was canon but oddly enough I still have hope for NS - I'm just gonna be chill about this though because I don't think Kishi even understands how badly this chapter is making his manga out to be.

I've been looking at Japanese posters on blogs and they don't seem pleased with this chapter at all. Because of Sakura's role so far and how poorly Kishi treated Neji. I wonder does he understand how impersonal he comes out with how he handled Neji's death? Everyone expects for an author to care about their characters, no matter who they are. If you're going to kill off a character, do it respectfully. It just seems like Neji was used in a poor attempt to scare us all into believing that this war is serious .

Neji deserved a better death BECAUSE of the fact that he was such a beloved character. Not only that but Kishi himself took time to develop Neji as a character period. Any character you create and then trash them just off a whim is disrespectful not only to his manga but to his readers too. Impersonal is the biggest word I can use to describe all of this. Cold-blooded too. Added on to the fact that you have Naruto and Hinata holding hands over his dead body and Hinata thinking about how big Naruto's hand is when her cousin just DIED for HER.

Shallow, immature and disrespectful.

I used to be the biggest Hinata fan but now I don't care at all for her. I blatantly dislike her now.

I hope NS happens more than ever now. Just to spite Hinata and also in my stupid hope that she will become more than just a girl pining to get in a guy's pants.

I always absolutely love your posts, Jade~Rabbit. And agreed. Neji's death was very sloppy. Admittingly, I didn't realize how badly it was until 615. I have always preferred Neji over Hinata. In fact, I never really cared for her to begin with. Honestly, if Kishimoto had to kill a Hyuuga, I would have preferred Hinata to die instead. Why? Because Neji is an underdog. Not powers-wise of course but he was still part of the side branch. A lower rank than the main branch. That's why I would much like to see Neji lead the Clan. Not only would be be a much better leader than Hinata ever could be, it breaks the Hyuuga tradition. Plus, honestly, I feel like Neji really showed how much he deserved that. And the most annoying thing? Kishimoto killed off Neji just so could Hinata could grow. One of my favorite characters was killed off for Hinata. That really upsets me.

Also completely hated the hand comment. I respected Hinata for the first time in my life since the Chunin Exams and she has to go and disappoint me by reverting to fangirl mode. I lost my respect for her. I don't hate her but Hinata has once again proven why I shouldn't like her. I no longer have faith that she will be anything but a fangirl. Fangirl-Hinata her whole life.

[James S Cassidy]

Also completely hated the hand comment. I respected Hinata for the first time in my life since the Chunin Exams and she has to go and disappoint me by reverting to fangirl mode. I lost my respect for her. I don't hate her but Hinata has once again proven why I shouldn't like her. I no longer have faith that she will be anything but a fangirl. Fangirl-Hinata her whole life.

I think Nate was right. 2 steps forward, 10 steps back.

I agree with you RomanG, my nickname for you. I don't hate her, but I don't like her either, though I have tried. I wanted to like her so much because I knew she could have been so much more, but she never will be. Every time she has a moment to be something greater she always revert back to idol worshiping Naruto. She doesn't see him as a true friend who is a human being. She actually sees him like a celebrity. I don't thin Naruto wants to be treated like that. He wants to be treated equal. No better or worse than the next person.

seriously?

I still feel sorry for him.

Edited by James S Cassidy, 01 January 2013 - 07:54 AM.

[Arachnia]

seriously?
the mastermind behind the total destruction of konoha twice?
the idiot who got fed by madara's super duper awesome paradise ideals?
the very source of naruto's pain, sasuke's pain, itachi's pain etc etc etc etc?
instead of capturing the kyubi, he prefered to attack konoha 16 years ago?

IF HE REALLY LOVES RIN HE CAN JUST FIND A WAY TO USE A RINNE TENSEI (SACRIFICING HIS LIFE, PROVING HIS LOVE) TO REVIVE HER

IF HE REALLY WANTED TO CAST INFINITE TSUKOYOMI, HE CAN DO IT WITHOUT CREATING SO MUCH PAIN TO THE WORLD

obito is simply a psycho. who tried to force his ideal to everyone. the end


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ofc hes the vilain of the story and he loves Rin but he is crazy because of madara messing with hes head and thats wye he wont revive Rin in hes mind whats the point if some nutcrack can just kill her in this world its kinda funny in a way Obito still has the mind of a child because unlike Naruto he dident have a net he could fall in friends:thats wye Naruto did that wonderful shadowclone stands and all hes friends arived at the spot and thats wye you saw Obito kinda shocked he abbandond that road so seeing it made him Pist like a child.

so dislike him all ya want but naruto and obito are made too be completely the opposite of each other and obito will get the powerfull TNJ on hes ass but for now seeing him even making madara hes biatch cause of the rinnegan is so damn funny hahaha

[TouKen4Life3g]

You know, how come people don't see the difference. Hinata likes Naruto for the idea of the ninja way: never give up. She only knows about that logic from him. She even talks about his ninja way. Sakura knows this but so much more. Recap everything. Hinata was always about Naruto's way of a ninja. From Chunnin Exam to now. The latest development is to prove that the ninja way works. Sakura knows that but she knows him as a person.

I'll explain next time. Right now, new year with the family. I think it's obvious, guys.

[{Jade~Rabbit}]

so, you were a fan of a girl pining to get in a guy's pants?

Sadly yes I was. I always hoped Hinata would become more than that. I always saw her relationship with her team and Neji as well as her clan as being her ultimate source of growth. All she's done is chase Naruto and as a result, she's become a poor excuse for a character and a horrible example for girls looking up to her. She's pathetic. There's no excuse for her behavior.

To be honest, I wonder if Kishi has been making Hinata unlikable on purpose. Thinking about how she's been this entire war arc and other Naruto media, this seems to be the case.

Somebody correct me if I'm wrong but wasn't Kishi quoted saying "That he didn't give a single hoot about her."

I also wonder if he regrets creating her in the first place...

Sometimes I think so. I think he's purposely setting her up for a troll - good thing I'm no longer interested in her to even care.

Not sure, that'd be great if he did.

I always absolutely love your posts, Jade~Rabbit. And agreed. Neji's death was very sloppy. Admittingly, I didn't realize how badly it was until 615. I have always preferred Neji over Hinata. In fact, I never really cared for her to begin with. Honestly, if Kishimoto had to kill a Hyuuga, I would have preferred Hinata to die instead. Why? Because Neji is an underdog. Not powers-wise of course but he was still part of the side branch. A lower rank than the main branch. That's why I would much like to see Neji lead the Clan. Not only would be be a much better leader than Hinata ever could be, it breaks the Hyuuga tradition. Plus, honestly, I feel like Neji really showed how much he deserved that. And the most annoying thing? Kishimoto killed off Neji just so could Hinata could grow. One of my favorite characters was killed off for Hinata. That really upsets me.

Aww thanks.

Same here, I was halfway imagining that chapter 615 would have his teammates reactions to his death and maybe some words about him as man from someone - Hinata barely did this, imo. I wanted Neji to live and rule the clan along with Hinata - believe it or not, I wasn't always a NejiHina fan, I originally liked her with someone else but it wasn't until I saw how great she worked in a team with Neji and I started to look at their relationship as something that could strengthen her. They always seemed to correspond well. Neji was her saving grace in my eye. Relationship or not I wouldn't loved to see her get over herself, team up with Neji and rule to clan and also to start to see herself on the same level as others and not just chase Naruto.

I feel like Neji dying for Hinata was a waste. She's still immature and selfish. The only thing she cares about is Naruto and herself. It feels like she only spoke on Neji just to further her goal to hold Naruto's hand.

I'm sorry, just putting this out there, but sometimes I feel like Kishi did this just because he had something against NejiHina... not sure why. Maybe it's because of the holding hands over his dead body and him dying in the first place. It's a baseless thing to say I know but sometimes I wonder...

Also completely hated the hand comment. I respected Hinata for the first time in my life since the Chunin Exams and she has to go and disappoint me by reverting to fangirl mode. I lost my respect for her. I don't hate her but Hinata has once again proven why I shouldn't like her. I no longer have faith that she will be anything but a fangirl. Fangirl-Hinata her whole life.

I don't hate her either, but I just don't like her character anymore. I can't even be happy that she's spoken up for once because it just seems like it was done in her desperate need to get Naruto to look at her.

[James S Cassidy]

You know, how come people don't see the difference. Hinata likes Naruto for the idea of the ninja way: never give up. She only knows about that logic from him. She even talks about his ninja way. Sakura knows this but so much more. Recap everything. Hinata was always about Naruto's way of a ninja. From Chunnin Exam to now. The latest development is to prove that the ninja way works. Sakura knows that but she knows him as a person.

I'll explain next time. Right now, new year with the family. I think it's obvious, guys.

So are you saying that Hinata is in love with an idea while Sakura is in love with a man?

Wow, starting to get V for Vendetta vibe from this

e-V --Click here to view--

Remember, remember, the Fifth of November, the Gunpowder Treason and Plot. I know of no reason why the Gunpowder Treason should ever be forgot... But what of the man? I know his name was Guy Fawkes and I know, in 1605, he attempted to blow up the Houses of Parliament. But who was he really? What was he like? We are told to remember the idea, not the man, because a man can fail. He can be caught, he can be killed and forgotten, but 400 years later, an idea can still change the world. I've witnessed first hand the power of ideas, I've seen people kill in the name of them, and die defending them... but you cannot kiss an idea, cannot touch it, or hold it... ideas do not bleed, they do not feel pain, they do not love... And it is not an idea that I miss, it is a man... A man that made me remember the Fifth of November. A man that I will never forget.

[xxRomanceGirlxx]

I think Nate was right. 2 steps forward, 10 steps back.

I agree with you RomanG, my nickname for you. I don't hate her, but I don't like her either, though I have tried. I wanted to like her so much because I knew she could have been so much more, but she never will be. Every time she has a moment to be something greater she always revert back to idol worshiping Naruto. She doesn't see him as a true friend who is a human being. She actually sees him like a celebrity. I don't thin Naruto wants to be treated like that. He wants to be treated equal. No better or worse than the next person.

2 steps forward, 10 steps back.= Hinata's character in a nutshell. I think the only time I ever truly respected her was during her fight with Neji. She was truly awesome in that moment and had no negative thing to follow up on it. Every other time past that though ... I can't be satisifed.

I have too many nicknames. Same. I always really wanted to like Hinata. I saw her potential in the Chunin Exams Arc and I liked what I saw. I shipped no pairing in Part 1, not even NaruHina. I didn't care about that aspect. I pitied her and wanted her to grow to be a powerful, confident heiress. I wasn't focusing on her romantic aspect but her other goals.

Part 2 came around and she just ... lost her potential. Each passing chapter she showed up in, my faith in her decreased over and over. Instead, she literally became the definition of pairing fodder. Look up the terms "pairing fodder" online and picture of Hinata will pop up. Even Sakura isn't that bad. And I can't truly like characters who have no purpose in their lives other than romance or at least have that above everything else. That's not enough depth for me to like. Also part of the reason why I disliked Sakura of Part 1. The idol worshipping is my biggest problem with her. Naruto is not utterly "perfect", he has flaws and is human. Hinata only sees the image of confidence and hope he presents, not his actual person. Her love is largely admiration and one of an idealized nature.

I remember a few years back when I realized shippings and fandoms on the internet, I was excited and happy. Like "So cool! I can talk with other people about Naruto now!" But the dark days came ... the day I realized the hardcore shipping fandoms SS/NH and Hinata fanbase. I recall how shocked I was at Hinata's ridiculous popularity. IMO she wasn't that interesting or lovable yet her fanbase worships every little thing she does and idolizes her, glorifying every aspect of her to the extreme and making her seem perfect. My exact thought was something along the lines of this: "I don't get this. Why is Hinata so popular? She's not that great, especially as great as people say." To this day, I still don't understand it and don't think I ever will.

Maybe that's always so why I don't like Hinata. Most of her fanbase is so illogical and extreme, it's hard for me to like her. Especially because I don't see her nearly as perfect as they do.

[TouKen4Life3g]

So are you saying that Hinata is in love with an idea while Sakura is in love with a man?

Wow, starting to get V for Vendetta vibe from this

e-V --Click here to view--

Remember, remember, the Fifth of November, the Gunpowder Treason and Plot. I know of no reason why the Gunpowder Treason should ever be forgot... But what of the man? I know his name was Guy Fawkes and I know, in 1605, he attempted to blow up the Houses of Parliament. But who was he really? What was he like? We are told to remember the idea, not the man, because a man can fail. He can be caught, he can be killed and forgotten, but 400 years later, an idea can still change the world. I've witnessed first hand the power of ideas, I've seen people kill in the name of them, and die defending them... but you cannot kiss an idea, cannot touch it, or hold it... ideas do not bleed, they do not feel pain, they do not love... And it is not an idea that I miss, it is a man... A man that made me remember the Fifth of November. A man that I will never forget.

Well, her character love is based on the fact that Naruto has that way of the ninja. She loves him because of his ninja way. But, what about him as a person? This is where Sakura knows best. I'll explain later but I'm pretty sure you got the idea, right? Like your sig, you know best, L.

[James S Cassidy]

Well, her character love is based on the fact that Naruto has that way of the ninja. She loves him because of his ninja way. But, what about him as a person? This is where Sakura knows best. I'll explain later but I'm pretty sure you got the idea, right? Like your sig, you know best, L.

Yeah, which is why I brought up the V for Vendetta thing. It is a similar principle.

It is also similar to what I call "Hero wore-shipping" where a girl will "fall in love" with the hero because he saved her life, not because she likes him that way.

Sadly, this is hard to tell with Hinata. Hinata has not been around Naruto enough to make that kind of judgement call. If she loves him despite his own flaws as a human being, then she would be in love with the man. If she loves him just because he is hero, then she loves the idea.

Maybe that's always so why I don't like Hinata. Most of her fanbase is so illogical and extreme, it's hard for me to like her. Especially because I don't see her nearly as perfect as they do.

You pretty much summed up what I think.

Edited by James S Cassidy, 01 January 2013 - 09:02 AM.

[TouKen4Life3g]

Yeah, which is why I brought up the V for Vendetta thing. It is a similar principle.

It is also similar to what I call "Hero wore-shipping" where a girl will "fall in love" with the hero because he saved her life, not because she likes him that way.

Sadly, this is hard to tell with Hinata. Hinata has not been around Naruto enough to make that kind of judgement call. If she loves him despite his own flaws as a human being, then she would be in love with the man. If she loves him just because he is hero, then she loves the idea.



You pretty much summed up what I think.

Ah ok. Make sense. I'm going to bed. I'll be ready to explain stuff.

[六道仙人]

First of all, Happy year to you!

Then I come to the point here. Now while I'm reading Uchu Kyodai (a beautiful manga about the space, I recommend it you) and I hit on a panel. (the story talk about two brothers who are pursuing the same dream). Notice whay says the main character in the first two panel...

http://www.mangapand...u-kyoudai/47/11

Funny, isn't?

And they say that embracing people in Japan is just a fraternal move. But I think that those panel just prove that japanese culture is different from us.