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Posted 11 April 2013 - 11:51 PM

QUOTE (sushi. @ Apr 11 2013, 04:50 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I don't see how that is different from Hinata's desire to get strong.

Sakura started out wanting to get strong because she didn't want Naruto to bring back Sasuke all on his own, she wanted to bring team 7 back as a whole together with him. Right now, her foundation of strength is not Naruto, but Hinata's is in my opinion.

That would contradict many of the other posts I've read around here, but I suppose it's your own take.

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I can't exactly debate this many different viewpoints all at one time. dry.gif

Edited by Crimson, 11 April 2013 - 11:56 PM.


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Posted 11 April 2013 - 11:52 PM

@Sushi

Helps prove the point I made earlier when Crimson used Sakura's emotions as a criticism towards the zetsu's who were acting as wounded ninja. She finds value in human life even if she has to risk her own in the process. Great post. a_thumbs.gif

Edited by Beastbomb, 11 April 2013 - 11:54 PM.


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Posted 12 April 2013 - 12:04 AM

QUOTE (Crimson @ Apr 12 2013, 12:51 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
That would contradict many of the other posts I've read around here, but I suppose it's your own take.

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I can't exactly debate this many different viewpoints all at one time. dry.gif

Well if you want to debate then pick somebody and you can go head to head. your choice.

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Posted 12 April 2013 - 12:05 AM

Whatever pairing becomes cannon in the end, I feel like somewhere, through all the different medias, that the message got lost. If any moral is suppose to be taken into account if any of the pairings happen, I felt like it got lost through all the different interpretations from all of the outside medias. What I mean by this is that some of the Naruto based media outside the manga has given conflicting views on pairings. For example, each different Naruto anime episode may give off different perspective on each character's love life. One episode will showcase Naruto's crush on Sakura in a more selfless manner, while an other shows Hinata's crush on Naruto in a very a sympathetic way. An other example would be in the games, as sometimes the stories seems to support NS, yet when you choose Naruto and Hinata as a team it will call the combination as "secret lovers". Manga is somewhat guilty of this too, as one chapter will give conflicting emotions to readers about Naruto and Sakura's relationship (talking about the confession), while an other chapter will emphasize Naruto and Hinata's dynamic (referring to the recent war stuff). At this point it has become somewhat difficult to pinpoint what kind of message Kishi is trying to showcase in his manga, and his interviews don't really help the matter ('Sakura is suppose to be the main Heroin', 'I would date Hinata', 'Hinata will get her moment to shine', etc...(I'm paraphrasing)). At this point it is difficult for me to understand what Kishi wants us to feel about pairings and romance in the story. Does he want to show that if you are persistant and selfless to the one you love, you may end up victorious (NS)? Or does he want us to believe that if you get the courage to help the one you love, then you will have the courage to be with that person (NH)? Or (less likely) if you hold out to the end, still loving the person you have loved for years, you will win in the end (SS)?

At this point I don't really know anymore, but my money is still on NS. Mostly because any moral lessons that could be learn from NS from happening seem to match up with the manga's message of not giving up. Also, I honestly don't believe SS will ever happen, nothing has change my mind since the summit arc. But if it does happen, then it does happen. The same with NH, though I'm now sad that the message got lost during these stupid "Shipping Wars", and how inconsistant Kishi has made the whole pairing thing in the story.

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Posted 12 April 2013 - 12:10 AM

I just love it, Hinata is considered a saint despite how she only looks good in Naruto's presence, but when Sakura does anything, it's apparently all for the sake of Sasuke in some fans eyes...which brings fore hatred for some reason despite the fact that said fans are praising Sasuke for "finally seeing the light". The double standards really piss me off, but there's just no reasoning with these people

Edited by MangaReader, 12 April 2013 - 12:11 AM.

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Posted 12 April 2013 - 12:11 AM

QUOTE (Shadow1275 @ Apr 11 2013, 05:04 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Well if you want to debate then pick somebody and you can go head to head. your choice.

You, I suppose?

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Posted 12 April 2013 - 12:14 AM

QUOTE (Crimson @ Apr 12 2013, 01:11 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
You, I suppose?

Sure why not. I've got a 6 page Lcs paper so I don't mind procrastinating on it. I'll even let you have the first move. Because you are agreeing to go head to head, if you don't respond to other people's posts, that cannot be considered as conceding to their points.

Edited by Shadow1275, 12 April 2013 - 12:16 AM.

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Posted 12 April 2013 - 12:18 AM

Pretty sure your not suppose to enjoy debating XD But hell, seeing this might be interesting

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Posted 12 April 2013 - 12:19 AM

QUOTE (Shadow1275 @ Apr 11 2013, 05:14 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Sure why not. I've got a 6 page Lcs paper so I don't mind procrastinating on it. I'll even let you have the first move.

headscratch.gif If you're certain you want to put off your assignment...you can take the first shot.

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Posted 12 April 2013 - 12:27 AM

QUOTE (Crimson @ Apr 12 2013, 01:19 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
headscratch.gif If you're certain you want to put off your assignment...you can take the first shot.

Nah I'll just do both at the same time. Well then lets pick a topic first.

-Sakura's Strength as a character

-Hinata's Strength as a character

-Naruto's feelings

-Sakura's feelings

-Hinata vs. Sakura

Take your pick or add your own since I got Home-court advantage.

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Posted 12 April 2013 - 12:35 AM

QUOTE (Shadow1275 @ Apr 11 2013, 05:27 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Nah I'll just do both at the same time. Well then lets pick a topic first.

-Sakura's Strength as a character

-Hinata's Strength as a character

-Naruto's feelings

-Sakura's feelings

-Hinata vs. Sakura

Take your pick or add your own since I got Home-court advantage.



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Posted 12 April 2013 - 12:37 AM

If you want to do Sakura vs Hinata, just do a few rounds in UNS3 laugh.gif

Well aside from that, there was one thing I did say before that Sakura could use with her CES and surprisingly, saw it today in the filler episode.

I said she could use her CES to manipulate the environment, mainly stuff like the earth or other objects, but basically I said she could use it to kick up earth and make it into a temporary barrier or use it to break stuff and make it into makeshift projectiles, she did that today in the filler episode so it was kinda neat to see her improvise like that after speculating she could do it.

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Posted 12 April 2013 - 12:42 AM

QUOTE (Crimson @ Apr 11 2013, 04:51 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
That would contradict many of the other posts I've read around here, but I suppose it's your own take.


No, not really. Naruto may have inspired her to become strong but when she did she was using her new strength to help others as well, not solely just for Naruto and Sasuke.

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Posted 12 April 2013 - 12:51 AM

Anyone think that Naruto will not be the one to bring peace to the world. I've been taliking to Darkrerst about this and he is willing to believe that this is possible. Makes me begin to doubt again like I was at chapter 615 when it first came out.

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Posted 12 April 2013 - 12:55 AM

QUOTE (Beastbomb @ Apr 11 2013, 09:51 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Anyone think that Naruto will not be the one to bring peace to the world. I've been taliking to Darkrerst about this and he is willing to believe that this is possible. Makes me begin to doubt again like I was at chapter 615 when it first came out.

It's possible but still it's kinda awkward and really really trolling and bad writing if this happen, because there's a prophesy that Naruto would bring peace, also Naruto vs sasuke battle, Sasuke still being cold and arrogant meaning that Naruto didnt changed sasuke or saved him still there's a lot of inconsitences.
Naruto basically would achieve nothing.
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Posted 12 April 2013 - 01:03 AM

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No, not really. Naruto may have inspired her to become strong but when she did she was using her new strength to help others as well, not solely just for Naruto and Sasuke.

Naruto will be the light who inspires everyone to seek a better future it's something he is already doing when he changed the mentality of two major leaders the old Kage and A Raikage.



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Posted 12 April 2013 - 01:25 AM

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Figured as much. Alright now when it comes down to character strength there are two specific aspects:

Physical and Mental

In terms of Physical Sakura is one of the strongest Physical female characters in Naruto.

She can take a beating and still fight past her limit http://www.onemanga....to_manga/271/2/

She has incredible strength as she lifted a boulder off of Chiyo

She has incredible evasion and analysis skills not needing Chiyo http://www.onemanga....o_manga/270/11/

Her strength is further amplified by her incredible chakra control which can allow her to smash giant boulders and even Iron jutsu caused by the third Kazekage http://www.onemanga....o_manga/269/19/

Note that this strength increasing ability has only been used by two characters throughout the entire series. The only other character being Everyone's favorite blonde Bombshell Tsunade: A.K.A. Hokage and Sannin who Sakura is believed to be able to surpass

She has incredible intelligence demonstrated numerous times throughout the series, and is the only Female to actually win or tie in a direct one on one confrontation besides Tenten and Tsunade.

She has incredible prowess with Med-Ninjutsu being able to heal damage caused by the Nine-Tailed fox and developing antidotes for Sasori's poison. She can also develop poisons that will put Naruto on his butt.

Emotional:

Sakura is an emotionally unstable character due to her feelings for Sasuke and Naruto. However, one aspect where she stands alone is her plot point of developing into a strong woman.

Sakura's feelings for Sasuke are clear. However, she struggles because throughout part 1 she fell in love with a person who never truly existed. She thought that he was cool and strong, without realizing that his main goal was power and revenge. However, there are signs of her slowly overcoming this Due to chapter 540.

In 540, a man approaches Sakura saying that he wants to give her a love-letter. Sakura turns him down saying that she already has feelings for another man. The man then says, "He must be a great man." To which Sakura looks very unhappy as she thinks of Sasuke surrounded by black fire. This shows that she has accepted her feelings as wrong which is the first step to moving on.

She also realizes this here http://www.onemanga....to_manga/483/8/

The other point I would like to make about Sakura in terms of Sasuke is that she never had any effect on him. Sasuke from the start has only cared about one person from team 7: Naruto. The same counts for part 1, when Sakura pleaded with him about his mark and to stay in Konoha, both times she was ignored. However, the main point to pay attention to is that she has never had a strong bond with Sasuke. In the first team 7 reunion, Sasuke even admitted this when he said his only bond was with Naruto.

In terms of Naruto however, Sakura has always been emotionally strong. Resolving to kill Sasuke despite her feelings for him for two reasons.

Reason one: To prevent Sasuke from falling deeper

Reason Two: To spare Naruto anymore pain http://www.onemanga....o_manga/459/16/

Other times are asking Chiyo if the Jinchurriki can be removed, then claiming that she wanted to do it because she was worried about him

Though she has also lost control of her emotions many times as well. However, in terms of weakness that can be considered relative. For example, Though she allowed two Zetsu to approach her, this was done out of Kindness in order to heal what appeared to be a husband and wife.

In terms of emotional control, there have been other times where she has controlled her emotions. During the Pain Arc, Naruto ordered all ninja to leave Pain to him. After the battle was over, Sakura walks up to Naruto and clearly says, "You always push yourself too hard." punching him in the process, classic Tsundere style. But then she hugs him with a worried look on her face. http://www.onemanga....to_manga/450/9/

This shows two things, one that she was able to control her emotions despite clearly worrying about him. But also that she respects Naruto to care about what he wants.

Other evidence of this respect include the Land of Iron Reunion where Naruto requests to fight Sasuke alone, and Sakura respects this and trusts him to do this.

In short, Physically, Sakura's power cannot be questioned. Emotionally she is a strong caring character who is only weak when directly confronting Sasuke.

Edited by Shadow1275, 12 April 2013 - 01:45 AM.

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Posted 12 April 2013 - 01:25 AM

QUOTE (Don-kun @ Apr 11 2013, 09:03 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Naruto will be the light who inspires everyone to seek a better future it's something he is already doing when he changed the mentality of two major leaders the old Kage and A Raikage.



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Posted 12 April 2013 - 02:00 AM

Well that was easy. cool.gif

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Posted 12 April 2013 - 02:01 AM

QUOTE (Shadow1275 @ Apr 11 2013, 06:00 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Well that was easy. cool.gif


Yep you won by default since he chose not to debate with you. Either way good job. th_goodjob.gif
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