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[Shadow1275]

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Your opinions are your own, but if your going to call Sakura weak for letting her emotions get the best of her, your going to have treat Hinata with the same criticism because she hasn't been able to keep her emotions in check either bra.

Edited by Shadow1275, 11 April 2013 - 10:22 PM.

[narusakurama]

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I know many were disappointed with her after that , but even though I really dislike Sasuke , I for one think it would have hurt her character a lot more if she had stabbed him then . Not to mention it would have hurt NS a lot as well .

I seem to faintly recall how just recently, she watched her cousin die in front of her own eyes, and yet kept her composure for the sake of helping Naruto.

That is one way to interpret it

[Gravenimage]

I seem to faintly recall how just recently, she watched her cousin die in front of her own eyes, and yet kept her composure for the sake of helping Naruto.

That's because the only thing that matters to her is Naruto. She could care less about her friends, her clan, and the village. Her character only has any relevance when Naruto's around, without him she's pretty much nothing.

Now Sakura's weak??? Hmm...let's see.

Who was that girl that was beaten by her sister 5 years younger than her?

Who was that girl that was owned by Neji?

Who was that girl that was owned by Pain?

[Shadow1275]

I seem to faintly recall how just recently, she watched her cousin die in front of her own eyes, and yet kept her composure for the sake of helping Naruto.

Oh yeah, I mean it took her all of 2 pages to get over him. Because she cares more about looking strong in front of Naruto then her cousin's own death. But let me ask you something, Does Hinata care about what Naruto wants? Sakura after hearing that Naruto wanted to face Sasuke alone, respected his wishes. Saying I will have to trust in them. Hinata, after Naruto specifically asked everyone to leave Pain to himself, admitted she was selfish and ignored his wishes.

Edited by Shadow1275, 11 April 2013 - 10:40 PM.

[bthug]

@Crimson Lol I like this guy, just hope ur here when the manga ends. Also a note, don't put all of NS in a box after a comment I made. I simply asked a question, one which no one responded to it they way you would have hoped for.

I kinda just pieced something together, idk if its been said like a million times lol.

As we know Naruto (earth) lacks the brains of Sakura (heaven). But vice versa uzumakis have huge stamina right? Well Iruka when explaining heaven and earth tells Sakura something a long the lines of well if u lack stamina then look for advantages in the forest. What am I getting at here, well I believe Kishi used stamina as the example intentionally as it is something Naruto is revealed to excel in now.

Just another tiny note.

[MistFlower]

Oh yeah, I mean it took her all of 2 pages to get over him. Because she cares more about looking strong in front of Naruto then her cousin's own death. But let me ask you something, Does Hinata care about what Naruto wants? Sakura after hearing that Naruto wanted to face Sasuke alone, respected his wishes. Saying I will have to trust in them. Hinata, after Naruto specifically asked everyone to leave Pain to himself, admitted she was selfish and ignored his wishes.

Ehh..I wouldn't say that she cares about "looking strong" in front of Naruto. Yes, it was unnatural for Hinata to get over the death of her cousin so quickly, but Hinata needed development like that. I mean, imagine if she had sat down and wept, Naruto probably would've done the same. She's always been one to get her strength from Naruto, and when Naruto was down, she stepped up and gave him strength for once. I mean, she's going to be the leader of her clan I assume, since the only other candidate is dead. If she's going to lead the Hyuga, she needs to be strong.

Also, I am not one to normally defend Hinata, but she did do something that is notably strong (depending how you look at it). However, this act should not nullify everything that Sakura has done. To me, Sakura and Hinata are in different character categories, main and side characters, and it should remain that way. Of course some of Sakura's actions may look insignificant in comparison to her teammates who are of god-like level at this point. I guess what I'm trying to say is that both Sakura and Hinata are strong and meaningful to Naruto, but in different ways. And I really think that everybody should kind of stop pinning these two characters against each other. Hinata and Sakura don't hate each other, so why should we hate either of them?

P.S. Sorry, I kind of lost track of what I was saying and just started typing stuff. And this wasn't directed towards you, [b][/Shadow1275b], this is just to people in general. I just addressed your comment because it was the most recent. Sorry for my rant, I'm a newbie

Edited by MistFlower, 11 April 2013 - 11:05 PM.

[Shadow1275]

Ehh..I wouldn't say that she cares about "looking strong" in front of Naruto. Yes, it was unnatural for Hinata to get over the death of her cousin so quickly, but Hinata needed development like that. I mean, imagine if she'd had sat down and wept, Naruto probably would've done the same. She'd always been one the get her strength from Naruto, and when Naruto was down, she stepped up and gave him strength for once. I mean, she's going to be the leader of her clan I assume, since the only other candidate is dead. If she's going to lead the Hyuga, she needs to be strong.

Also, I am not one to normally defend Hinata, but she did do something that is notably strong (depending how you look at it). However, this act should not nullify everything that Sakura has done. To me, Sakura and Hinata are in different character categories, main and side characters, and it should remain that way. Of course some of Sakura's actions may look insignificant in comparison to her teammates who are of god-like level at this point. I guess what I'm trying to say is that both Sakura and Hinata are strong and meaningful to Naruto, but in different ways. And I really think that everybody should kind of stop pinning these two characters against each other. Hinata and Sakura don't hate each other, so why should we hate either of them?

P.S. Sorry, I kind of lost track of what I was saying and just started typing stuff. And this wasn't directed towards you, [b][/Shadow1275b], this is just to people in general. I just adressed your comment because it was the most recent. Sorry for my rant, I'm a newbie

No worries, I remember my first post.

That being said, I have to disagree about the part of Hinata giving him strength only because if you read 615, it is the fox who points out His parents' sacrifice that causes him to get over Neji's death.

Now you're right, we should not hate on Hinata. Unfortunately, that's what happens in pairing wars. People hate on characters just because they might get in the way of their favorite pairing.

Personally, I don't hate NH or Hinata, I just think she is an under-developed character. She has interesting plot points such as her relationship with Neji and her father, however, these are never fully developed. As her father is more focused on Neji and Hanabi and Her relationship with Neji is never fully explored. Because so much of her character revolves around Naruto, now that she has confessed, if he does not respond favorably then she has no other real plot points.

However, as you said that is the difference between main characters and Side characters.

Edited by Shadow1275, 11 April 2013 - 11:13 PM.

[Don-kun]

Ehh..I wouldn't say that she cares about "looking strong" in front of Naruto. Yes, it was unnatural for Hinata to get over the death of her cousin so quickly, but Hinata needed development like that. I mean, imagine if she had sat down and wept, Naruto probably would've done the same. She's always been one to get her strength from Naruto, and when Naruto was down, she stepped up and gave him strength for once. I mean, she's going to be the leader of her clan I assume, since the only other candidate is dead. If she's going to lead the Hyuga, she needs to be strong.

Also, I am not one to normally defend Hinata, but she did do something that is notably strong (depending how you look at it). However, this act should not nullify everything that Sakura has done. To me, Sakura and Hinata are in different character categories, main and side characters, and it should remain that way. Of course some of Sakura's actions may look insignificant in comparison to her teammates who are of god-like level at this point. I guess what I'm trying to say is that both Sakura and Hinata are strong and meaningful to Naruto, but in different ways. And I really think that everybody should kind of stop pinning these two characters against each other. Hinata and Sakura don't hate each other, so why should we hate either of them?

P.S. Sorry, I kind of lost track of what I was saying and just started typing stuff. And this wasn't directed towards you, [b][/Shadow1275b], this is just to people in general. I just addressed your comment because it was the most recent. Sorry for my rant, I'm a newbie

Don't need to apologize I was also starting to get annoyed with this constant Hinata vs Sakura.

I stated this two days ago, our personal opinion regarding how we feel towards these two character and the flaws we don't like about them will not change the outcome of the Manga or the pairing Kishi wants to canonize at the end of his story.

[MistFlower]

That being said, I have to disagree about the part of Hinata giving him strength only because if you read 615, it is the fox who points out His parents' sacrifice that causes him to get over Neji's death.

Oh right, I forgot about that While Hinata was strong in that chapter, she should not be singled out as being the only one that has helped Naruto, as evidenced by that nice panel that you are referring to. Nice catch!

Now you're right, we should not hate on Hinata.

Personally, I don't hate NH or Hinata, I just think she is an under-developed character. She has interesting plot points such as her relationship with Neji and her father, however, these are never fully developed. As her father is more focused on Neji and Hanabi and Her relationship with Neji is never fully explored. Because so much of her character revolves around Naruto, now that she has confessed, if he does not respond favorably then she has no other real plot points.

However, as you said that is the difference between main characters and Side characters.

I too do not hate Hinata. Actually, I've kinda liked her in this arc. But the fact does still remain that she does not have all that much development, especially non-Naruto related development. While she does have that whole Hyuga backstory thing, it has kind of been left in the dust. Everything she does has some sort of connection to Naruto, but I think that the moment in 615 was pivotal for her being able to stand on her own. It seems that Naruto has acknowledged her strength as an individual. This strength, I believe will be used with her role in the Hyuga clan in the future.

Edited by MistFlower, 11 April 2013 - 11:21 PM.

[Shadow1275]

Oh right, I forgot about that While Hinata was strong in that chapter, she should not be singled out as being the only one that has helped Naruto, as evidenced by that nice panel that you are referring to. Nice catch!


I too do not hate Hinata. Actually, I've kinda liked her in this arc. But the fact does still remain that she does not have all that much development, especially non-Naruto related development. While she does have that whole Hyuga backstory thing, it has kind of been left in the dust. Everything she does has some sort of connection to Naruto, but I think that the moment in 615 was pivotal for her being able to stand on her own. It seems that Naruto has acknowledged her strength as an individual. This strength, I believe will be used with her role in the Hyuga clan in the future.

Exactly, perhaps she will finally get her father to acknowledge her?

@Crimson

So are you going to ignore that whole relationship arc with Chiyo which Naruto had no part in?

[TouKen4Life3g]

For me it goes like this:

After Neji talk: I don't understand. What do you mean? Why?
After Hinata talk: ...But...people are dying. I...
After Kuruma talk: I understand completely. Thank you.

They all get a credit.

[Shadow1275]

"By your same standards,"...

My point still stands. Not all of Sakura's development is Naruto based. Part of her development is Naruto Sasuke true, but the other part is her growing into a strong woman like Chiyo. Chiyo specifically calls her a strong woman here http://www.onemanga....o_manga/279/10/
Now she is struggling with this emotionally, the point is that she can't achieve this if Naruto and Sasuke are involved, that is why they are completely separated from her in terms of this development. 540 illustrates this as she has accepted that her feelings for Sasuke, were wrong. Not only because he is evil, but because she did not fall for the real Sasuke. In other words she is starting to overcome these feelings. Not too mention what it must have took for her to decide to kill him.

Edited by Shadow1275, 11 April 2013 - 11:42 PM.

[MistFlower]

My point still stands. Not all of Sakura's development is Naruto based. Part of her development is Naruto Sasuke true, but the other part is her growing into a strong woman like Chiyo. Chiyo specifically calls her a strong woman here http://www.onemanga....o_manga/279/10/
Now she is struggling with this emotionally, the point is that she can't achieve this if Naruto and Sasuke are involved, that is why they are comepletly separate from her in terms of this develepment.

Plus, we are probably going to be getting some Sakura-Tsunade development soon as well.

[sushi.]

That's because the only thing that matters to her is Naruto. She could care less about her friends, her clan, and the village. Her character only has any relevance when Naruto's around, without him she's pretty much nothing.

Now Sakura's weak??? Hmm...let's see.

Who was that girl that was beaten by her sister 5 years younger than her?

Who was that girl that was owned by Neji?

Who was that girl that was owned by Pain?

Truly? The girl whom other characters within the same universe have described as being kind and caring, only cares about Naruto? And by your same standards, what would Sakura be without Naruto? I recall people around here giving Naruto credit for all of her character development and causing her maturation from her fangirl mindset. Where would Sakura be without his influence?

By your same chronology and standards of character development:
Who was the girl that did not have a single defining ability?
Who was the girl that could only manage to tie with Ino, a girl whose area of specialization made her near useless in a one one situation?
Who was the girl that somehow got outdone in a 3 vs 2 hit skewed heavily in her advantage?
Who was the girl who made up her resolve to kill Sasuke, only to have an emotional breakdown when given a wide open window to carry out her task, and end up almost getting herself killed for the second time that day?

I disagree with both of you. Depends on what you mean by weak, physically or mentally? Physically, Sakura would beat Hinata, no question.

Mentally..they've both had to deal with hardships in their lives, but Sakura has tried to endure it more than Hinata. Hinata is still lacking in self-confidence, and that prevents me from having confidence and belief in her character. Though I was happy for her that she could remain sane after Neji's death, to me the moment got downgraded by her getting distracted of Naruto's hand..and that she feels safe on the battlefield. Sakura was bullied and her friend turned evil, she's gone through both success and failures. (Though it's not fair to compare the two, because Hinata is a side character and doesn't get as much screentime.

What I think Graven meant isn't that she doesn't care for anyone else than Naruto, but when he is there, she only sees him. I'm reminded of the time both Kiba and Naruto fell down, Hinata only yelled Naruto's name and Sakura had to reassure her to focus and believe in Naruto. Hinata even said herself that this was a war to protect Naruto, but she forgot to mention Bee and the rest of the world. I would be pleased if she engaged herself even a little to solve her clan problems. I've not seen Hinata risk her life for anyone else than Naruto, whereas Sakura has taken a wound for Chiyo, even risked her life for strangers(a little girl were about to get killed, she took on a summoning that even jounins ran away from in the pain arc.) Because she knows how valuable a human life is, that is her job as a ninja.

Edited by sushi., 12 April 2013 - 03:06 PM.

[Shadow1275]

Plus, we are probably going to be getting some Sakura-Tsunade development soon as well.

I like the way you think. It falls into the mentor inheriting pattern. Asuma and shikamaru, Jiraiya and Naruto=Sage mode, Sakura and Tsunade=Yin seal. What the Yin seal is really is just super advanced chakra control of the body's cells. Chakra control is one of Sakura's specialties.

@Crimson

She wanted to be stronger because she wanted to be able to help him and not rely on him. And she did not need Naruto during her fight with Sasori unlike Hinata who has needed help in every single fight she has fought. And I'm not going by Gravenimage's post, I'm going by Kishi's writing. No offense to Gravenimage but I don't remember him/her writing Naruto. Once again, if you want to argue that Hinata is such a strong character, the same arguments you use for her must also apply for Sakura as well. If you want to argue that Sakura is weak, the same has to apply for Hinata as well.

Edited by Shadow1275, 11 April 2013 - 11:53 PM.

[sushi.]

And yet, going by gravenimage's chronological view of character development, Sakura only desired to become strong after being inspired by Naruto. Without him, Sakura would not have become the "strong woman" Chiyo acknowledged her to be.

I don't see how that is different from Hinata's desire to get strong.

Sakura started out wanting to get strong because she didn't want Naruto to bring back Sasuke all on his own, she wanted to bring team 7 back as a whole together with him. Right now, her foundation of strength is not Naruto, but Hinata's is in my opinion.

btw I replied to your last post.

Edited by sushi., 11 April 2013 - 11:51 PM.