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#16641 PhenixElite

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Posted 11 April 2013 - 02:26 PM

QUOTE (Baguette @ Apr 11 2013, 02:25 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>

The level of arrogance...

NO facepalm, answer please!

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Posted 11 April 2013 - 02:26 PM

QUOTE (Baguette @ Apr 11 2013, 04:22 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
My point being that there exists many Japanese fans who believe such pairings as SS or NH will become canon, and we shouldn't generalize based on what is "typical" in the shonen genre.


let's be sincere here... At the end it depends from author's tastes, not from internet popularity... at least we hope so. If Kishimoto feel to like NH and SS, fine. It's his business. But you know, official popularity poles made by WSJ aren't made through internet....

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Posted 11 April 2013 - 02:27 PM

To contradict some post here, I kind of have the feelings that the Anime team haves a slit feelings of who the final pairing would be I tend to believe that way because NS is the pairing that most of the times when something is animated in this manga that feature something similar to a cannon relationship in Naruto Shippuden it always involve Naruto and Sakura being the main focus, I wouldn't say all but almost 90% of the times and the biggest example would be that The date scene, movie 3 and 2011 OVA
But in regards to the fans in Japan I honestly believe it's nonsense because if they knew the finale pairing like some are claiming then NS would be by far the most supported pairing for this Manga.

So to resume, Anime Team might know of might have and idea???? But the fans don't know.

Edited by Don-kun, 11 April 2013 - 02:30 PM.


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Posted 11 April 2013 - 02:27 PM

QUOTE (Baguette @ Apr 11 2013, 10:22 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
My point being that there exists many Japanese fans who believe such pairings as SS or NH will become canon, and we shouldn't generalize based on what is "typical" in the shonen genre.


Well that's we look at the manga itself, not the genre, base off only what we see in the manga not any genres, fanbase sizes, etc. Looking at the manga itself there is still a lot for NaruSaku to happen, but the road for NH is still open as well (just would not be as good), and well SasuSaku could just be the biggest of all story butchering moments if it happened. If you ask me, Sasuke should not have any love in his character, he was always more of a lone wolf.

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Posted 11 April 2013 - 02:29 PM

QUOTE (PhenixElite @ Apr 11 2013, 07:26 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
NO facepalm, answer please!

Because, as I have been trying to say, not all Japanese fans "know" NS will become canon, and in fact many believe otherwise.
Moreover, the fact that 80% of shonen series in which the hero ends up with the Tsundere does not account for the fact that there still are a great number of shonen series in which he does not, and in fact does the opposite.

QUOTE (Inferno180 @ Apr 11 2013, 07:27 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Well that's we look at the manga itself, not the genre, base off only what we see in the manga not any genres, fanbase sizes, etc. Looking at the manga itself there is still a lot for NaruSaku to happen, but the road for NH is still open as well (just would not be as good), and well SasuSaku could just be the biggest of all story butchering moments if it happened. If you ask me, Sasuke should not have any love in his character, he was always more of a lone wolf.

Thank you. We should look at the story itself, and not typical shonen tropes, to determine the likelihood of our pairing.

Edited by Baguette, 11 April 2013 - 02:30 PM.


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Posted 11 April 2013 - 02:29 PM

QUOTE (Don-kun @ Apr 11 2013, 10:27 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
To contradict some post here, I kind of have the feelings that the Anime team haves a slit feelings of who the final pairing would be I tend to believe that way because NS is the pairing that most of the time when something is animated in this manga that feature something similar to a cannon relationship in Naruto Shippuden it always involve Naruto and Sakura being the main focus, I wouldn't say all but almost 90% of the time and the biggest example would be that 2011 OVA
But in regards to the fans in Japan I honestly believe it's nonsense because if they knew the finale pairing like some are claiming then NS would be the by far the most supported pairing in this Manga.

So to resume, Anime Team might know of might have and idea???? But the fans don't know.

It's a mystery, that's all I can say. Whether they do know or not, just keep it a mystery and when the manga is over, maybe the chance of them knowing will increase, but perhaps it's best to wait for an interview. Until then, it's. A. Mystery.

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Posted 11 April 2013 - 02:31 PM

Then in the end even beliving in another pairings, NS becames canon they would not complain.



Must like fallout 3 plot.

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Posted 11 April 2013 - 02:31 PM

QUOTE (Baguette @ Apr 11 2013, 02:29 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Because, as I have been trying to say, not all Japanese fans "know" NS will become canon, and in fact many believe otherwise.
Moreover, the fact that 80% of shonen series in which the hero ends up with the Tsundere does not account for the fact that there still are a great number of shonen series in which he does not, and in fact does the opposite.

Yeah, nobody 100% knows, but according to the 80-90% its very likely, not to forget if we look at how NS progressed. So as said why is it wrong to believe that NS is more likely if we look at the genre?

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Posted 11 April 2013 - 02:31 PM

QUOTE (Baguette @ Apr 11 2013, 11:22 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
My point being that there exists many Japanese fans who believe such pairings as SS or NH will become canon, and we shouldn't generalize based on what is "typical" in the shonen genre.

I tried to find sites that talked about SS and NH by typing NaruSaku in japanese but I couldn't find any. Or maybe I just suck at google translate. tongue.gif

Well, it's not important. Just because it appears a few times over the internet doesn't mean that it's guaranteed to be the majority. Is it unreasonable to think that there's a good amount of NH and SS fans in Japan? Of course not. Should we think they're the majority based on some posts on the internet? Not really.

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Posted 11 April 2013 - 02:33 PM

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I tried to find sites that talked about SS and NH by typing NaruSaku in japanese but I couldn't find any. Or maybe I just suck at google translate. tongue.gif

Well, it's not important. Just because it appears a few times over the internet doesn't mean that it's guaranteed to be the majority. Is it unreasonable to think that there's a good amount of NH and SS fans in Japan? Of course not. Should we think they're the majority based on some posts on the internet? Not really.

We don't need to base it off the internet, we know that from the polls themselves. What phenix was trying to insinuate was that all of those fans "knew" NS was still going to become canon. to which I had to go and point out posts by Japanese fans who think otherwise.

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Posted 11 April 2013 - 02:35 PM

QUOTE (Baguette @ Apr 11 2013, 11:33 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
We don't need to base it off the internet, we know that from the polls themselves. What phenix was trying to insinuate was that all of those fans "knew" NS was still going to become canon. to which I had to go and point out posts by Japanese fans who think otherwise.

I think he should say "most" of the japanese fans know instead of the "rest" of the japanese fans know.
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Posted 11 April 2013 - 02:37 PM

QUOTE (Baguette @ Apr 11 2013, 11:33 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
We don't need to base it off the internet, we know that from the polls themselves. What phenix was trying to insinuate was that all of those fans "knew" NS was still going to become canon. to which I had to go and point out posts by Japanese fans who think otherwise.

Are you talking about that ages old poll that had Kakashi x Iruka as number 1?

Yeah, I don't really take that poll seriously. It wasn't something official for starters. We don't even know what was the basis to make that poll

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Posted 11 April 2013 - 02:38 PM

QUOTE (redragon88 @ Apr 11 2013, 11:37 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Are you talking about that ages old poll that had Kakashi x Iruka as number 1?

Yeah, I don't really take that poll seriously. It wasn't something official for starters. We don't even know what was the basis to make that poll

Yep it's easy to blow up polls with scripts.

Remember of the Mountain Dew case.

Mountain dew made a adversitizing, with a poll the most voted name were to be the name of the next Mountain Dew product.
Some people trolled and managed to put "Hitler did nothing wrong" on the 1st place.

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Posted 11 April 2013 - 02:46 PM

QUOTE (Dαrkrєrsŧ @ Apr 11 2013, 07:38 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Yep it's easy to blow up polls with scripts.

Remember of the Mountain Dew case.

Mountain dew made a adversitizing, with a poll the most voted name were to be the name of the next Mountain Dew product.
Some people trolled and managed to put "Hitler did nothing wrong" on the 1st place.

http://www.manolith....ets-most-votes/


lol at number 9

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Posted 11 April 2013 - 02:49 PM

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lol at number 9

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Posted 11 April 2013 - 03:03 PM

Here's the link to the yellow x pink date when naruto fell in love with sakura in japanese: https://twitter.com/YellowPink73 Look for the tweet on april 3rd


明日4月3日はナルトがサクラを好きになった日だそうです。(wiki うずまきナルトの項目より引用:『週刊少年ジャンプ』本誌付属のカレンダーによるとナルトがサクラに惚れた日は4月3日であるとのこと)ナルサク好きさんには熱い一日ですね…!

Translation: It seems to be the day that Naruto fell in love Sakura April 3 tomorrow. (Quoted from the item of Naruto Uzumaki wiki: that day Naruto is love with Sakura and is April 3 According to the calendar of "Weekly Shonen Jump" magazine included) It is hot day to Narusaku enthusiast ...!

この記事は検証可能な参考文献や出典が全く示されていないか、不十分です。 出典を追加 ... 数ヶ月の期間を経て伝授された“螺旋丸”(らせんがん)も現在では使用頻度が非常に高い十八番の技になっている。 ... 悪戯の一環として、全裸の女性に変身する“おいろけの術”やそれに影分身を加えた“ハーレムの術”など、大人の男性が喜びそうな術(エロ忍術)も使う。 ... アカデミー時からサクラのことが好きだった(ちなみに『週刊少年ジャンプ』本誌付属のカレンダーによるとナルトがサクラに惚れた日は4月3日であるとのこと)。

Translation: is . Add a source ... now to work of a very high frequency of use hobbyhorse "Rasengan" was also taught (cancer spiral) over a period of several months will have. ... as part of a prank, turns into a naked woman " , etc. plus the shadow clone jutsu and their sex appeal "," art of Harlem ", an adult male of joy along with a way too (erotic ninjutsu). ... from the time of the Academy cherry things like (according to the calendar that comes with this magazine "Weekly Shonen Jump" was the way Naruto Sakura fell in love with the date is April 03, and that it is).

Link: http://ja.wikipedia....

Other link if you want: http://www.google.co...

Edited by Canadian_DJ, 11 April 2013 - 03:08 PM.

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Posted 11 April 2013 - 03:04 PM

^^

I cannot access that page, can't you post this link the traditional way?
Never mind I got it.
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QUOTE (NaruSaku4Life3g @ Apr 11 2013, 10:29 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
It's a mystery, that's all I can say. Whether they do know or not, just keep it a mystery and when the manga is over, maybe the chance of them knowing will increase, but perhaps it's best to wait for an interview. Until then, it's. A. Mystery.


I guess you right, for all we know the anime team could just be expressing their feelings towards NS the same way they express their feelings towards Hinata character, I guess we will only find that out in the end. smile.gif

Anyway for Anime only viewers I think that after watching RTN it might feel awkward if NS does not become canon, not because I believe Kishi is trolling the other pairing since I never being one to think that way, I see it mostly as Kishi giving the other feelings some resolution to then focus on the maim pairing, I know I could be wrong but I am positive that Kishi is not trolling NH, NS and SS is more about making them canon or giving them a proper resolution/closure.

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Posted 11 April 2013 - 03:19 PM

QUOTE (Canadian_DJ @ Apr 11 2013, 05:03 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Here's the link to the yellow x pink date when naruto fell in love with sakura in japanese: https://twitter.com/YellowPink73 Look for the tweet on april 3rd


明日4月3日はナルトがサクラを好きになった日だそうです。(wiki うずまきナルトの項目より引用:『週刊少年ジャンプ』本誌付属のカレンダーによるとナルトがサクラに惚れた日は4月3日であるとのこと)ナルサク好きさんには熱い一日ですね…!

Translation: It seems to be the day that Naruto fell in love Sakura April 3 tomorrow. (Quoted from the item of Naruto Uzumaki wiki: that day Naruto is love with Sakura and is April 3 According to the calendar of "Weekly Shonen Jump" magazine included) It is hot day to Narusaku enthusiast ...!

この記事は検証可能な参考文献や出典が全く示されていないか、不十分です。 出典を追加 ... 数ヶ月の期間を経て伝授された“螺旋丸”(らせんがん)も現在では使用頻度が非常に高い十八番の技になっている。 ... 悪戯の一環として、全裸の女性に変身する“おいろけの術”やそれに影分身を加えた“ハーレムの術”など、大人の男性が喜びそうな術(エロ忍術)も使う。 ... アカデミー時からサクラのことが好きだった(ちなみに『週刊少年ジャンプ』本誌付属のカレンダーによるとナルトがサクラに惚れた日は4月3日であるとのこと)。

Translation: is . Add a source ... now to work of a very high frequency of use hobbyhorse "Rasengan" was also taught (cancer spiral) over a period of several months will have. ... as part of a prank, turns into a naked woman " , etc. plus the shadow clone jutsu and their sex appeal "," art of Harlem ", an adult male of joy along with a way too (erotic ninjutsu). ... from the time of the Academy cherry things like (according to the calendar that comes with this magazine "Weekly Shonen Jump" was the way Naruto Sakura fell in love with the date is April 03, and that it is).

Link: http://ja.wikipedia....

Other link if you want: http://www.google.co...


mmh, interesting... thanks you

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Posted 11 April 2013 - 03:44 PM

QUOTE (六道仙人 @ Apr 11 2013, 03:19 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
mmh, interesting... thanks you

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Posted 11 April 2013 - 03:50 PM

QUOTE (Canadian_DJ @ Apr 11 2013, 11:44 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
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