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Posted 23 June 2012 - 05:42 AM

QUOTE (Amy-chan @ Jun 22 2012, 09:36 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Why's it seem far fetch? I think a writer/mangakian would go out of there way to show subtle hints about NS or any other pairing for that matter.


Because I don't think most developers care for romance, especially romance in a shonen manga. I believe Kishi cares, but I don't think anyone else will put that much effort to actually team up together to do all that.

But who knows, maybe I'm wrong. Maybe they are willing to coherently work together to show viewers where they going with two of the main characters. I don't know, but neither is anyone else.

I believe everything that was pointed out by reddragon 88 was just a coincidence. But I think the reason why we are able to list off so many recent hints (and why the voice actors were teasing about Narusaku) is because it's obviously going to end up Narusaku. Of coarse I could be wrong, but to me that explains everything.

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Posted 23 June 2012 - 07:48 AM

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Posted 23 June 2012 - 08:34 AM

QUOTE (Transformers03 @ Jun 23 2012, 12:42 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Because I don't think most developers care for romance, especially romance in a shonen manga.


If you're talking about the Big 3...Naruto, Bleach, One Piece then yeah sure, you might be right. But shonen mangas show romance subplots a lot. Example: Fullmetal Alchemist. EdWin was heavily hinted at throughout.
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Posted 23 June 2012 - 11:24 AM

QUOTE (redragon88 @ Jun 22 2012, 07:49 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I might be over thinking it but I think we have been receiving little teases about the relationship Naruto and Sakura share for many months now.

We get confirmation that Naruto and Sakura will share equal main spotlight in Road to Ninja so we'll see a lot of how they work together. Also, Naruto's parents appear and be main characters, I would find it ridiculous if Sakura didn't talk to them at least once but I'm sure it will be more. Recently we found out Sakura's own parents will appear for the first time and take part in the movie, again it would be stupid if Naruto didn't speak to them at least once.

The Rock Lee anime has surprisingly bombarded us with how Naruto and Sakura get along so well with each other. It got to the point where they outright stated that Naruto's personality mixes perfectly with Sakura's thus making them ideal to be a couple, in front of poor Hinata no less who then sulked beneath a bench (Reality hits you hard bro laugh.gif ). I know you're not supposed to take a silly comedy like this seriously. It's not about what actually happens in the anime, it's about the ideas the production team is intentionally transmitting.

The Naruto manga/anime itself can't really let itself focus on Naruto's and Sakura's relationship since we're in the middle of a war arc, although there's always the potential of something happening now the Sakura is running to Naruto's battle field. But last year we did get that music OVA in which Sakura hugs Naruto in the end. People who are bias to NaruHina and SasuSaku will say that is platonic (that's the power of bias), but show that hug to someone who doesn't care about pairings or someone who has never seen Naruto at all and ask them if that scene looked romantic. I'm sure they will say yes. Lets be honest, if Sakura ends with Sasuke that hug scene in the OVA will look extremely awkward in retrospect.

Then there was that bit in a blog that talked about visiting a Naruto amusement park. From what I heard from a translation in deviantart those Uzumaki Sakura stickers were actually official merchandise (it was inside a folder that contained other merchandise) that was handed to people who went to the interview of the voice actors for Naruto, Sakura, Neji and Lee. Then it seems a fan asked some questions about the sticker and the paring, the voice actors seem to have answered very vaguely but apparently hinted to it while talking about Road to Ninja.

I keep asking myself what would be the point of introducing Sakura's parents now if they would only interact with Sakura. She doesn't have parent issues like Naruto so she doesn't need to work on her relationship with them. I'm pretty sure Kishi could've chosen never to introduce them and his main plot would have still remained the same, so why now and in this movie? I really believe that Kishimoto will focus a little part of the plot on how Naruto and Sakura deal with their respective other's parents even if it's just for a little bit.

I'm starting to get the idea that Kishimoto and all of the Naruto related developers got together and decided to start showing hints to people to get them accustomed to the idea of Naruto and Sakura together, even if it's just subtle.

QUOTE (Transformers03 @ Jun 23 2012, 01:42 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Because I don't think most developers care for romance, especially romance in a shonen manga. I believe Kishi cares, but I don't think anyone else will put that much effort to actually team up together to do all that.

But who knows, maybe I'm wrong. Maybe they are willing to coherently work together to show viewers where they going with two of the main characters. I don't know, but neither is anyone else.

Well, I don't know about their willingness to coordinate any efforts, but I'm pretty sure that the developers are well aware of the popularity of pairings, even in shounens. Pairing teases is probably an easy way to get more money for them (whereas perhaps a good plot or a good fight is more difficult to come up with).
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I believe everything that was pointed out by reddragon 88 was just a coincidence. But I think the reason why we are able to list off so many recent hints (and why the voice actors were teasing about Narusaku) is because it's obviously going to end up Narusaku. Of coarse I could be wrong, but to me that explains everything.

Yea, that makes the most sense as a reason to me as well.
Well, ever since the start of part 2, NaruSaku has gotten way more fan service than NH or SS. The amount of fan service the other pairs have, even including the fillers in between part one and part two, far outweighs the fan service the other pairings have - even recently we had that one episode with Naruto saying that he loves Sakura to that filler character, the last op with Naruto nearly hugging Sakura, and then all of the Rock Lee stuff. If Hinata is the character that the anime is pushing, then NaruSaku is the pairing that they are pushing, imo. Though I don't know that they are doing so in order to get fans acclimated to the pairings, that part seems to stretch it a bit maybe.
QUOTE (Transformers03 @ Jun 23 2012, 12:09 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
While I agree I think all this is nice food for thought, I doubt that all the Naruto developers and Kishi will come together and decide to show subtle hints of Narusaku. It just seems to far fetch, besides we haven't taken in consideration the Naruhina hints, like the latest closing theme of the show. Not trying to rain on your parade, like I said I really like the things you said, I'm just trying to be realistic and not get my hopes up.

Even then, this is the first ED that even comes close to hinting at NaruHina, and even then the characters aren't interacting at all - just Hinata in one scene, and then Naruto in the next. I've lost count of the NaruSaku OPs and EDs we've gotten. Even the NH fan service in Rock Lee was /way/ more focused on Hinata's feelings, simply showing that Naruto appreciates her the way that she is (again, nothing to indicate anything beyond friendly care on his part).

Not to say there hasn't been fan service for the other pairings (because kami knows there has been - secret lovers in that one video game for instance); I'm simply saying that not only does NaruSaku have the lionshare in quantity, it also has it in quality as well. Plus, we also got that lovely OVA, which actually was supposed to hint at future canon events (as I understood it).
QUOTE (Dalton (I stink at names) @ Jun 22 2012, 10:48 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I just now realised...Naruto would be over if it werent for Sakura. Typed this on Youtube a while ago

I really don't get these Sakura bashers, or the NH fans that hate her for no reason. Sakura is the only reason this show is still going on. If she hadn't been there when Naruto turned 4 tails, he may very well be dead. And if she wasn't here, the preciouse Hinata would be DEAD!

Sakura=useless? Yeah, the first one to ever beat an Akatsukie member, the only one who cured Sasorie's poison. Saved Konkuro, Healed Naruto...ten-billion times, sereing as a medical ninja for the war.

AND SHE SAVED HINATA! SHE'S NOT USELESS PEOPLE!

Well, I don't know that Naruto would be dead, honestly. He probably just would have taken /a lot/ longer to heal, and they would have lost Sai, Kabuto, and Orochimaru.

Where Naruto AND Sasuke would have died without her is when she was guarding them against the Sound Trio in the Forest of Death when they were both unconscious.

Plus, if it weren't for Sakura, Naruto would have grabbed Sasuke and retreated (he was giving that order before he left). No beating Gaara, no reformed Gaara, no awesome Gaara kage.

You should also mention that without Sakura impressing Sasori during her fight with him, she never would have gotten the tip about Heaven and Earth bridge, which resulted in whole story arc including Naruto determining not to rely on the Kyuubi's power after hurting Sakura, and ultimately leading to the first reunion with Sasuke at Orochimaru's layer.

So yea, she's definitely affected the plot in a HUGE way.

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Posted 23 June 2012 - 12:39 PM

QUOTE (HalfStarStudios @ Jun 22 2012, 12:40 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Nagatos Rinnegan was most likely transplanted which is why he never turned it off. Same with Kakashi and Danzo with their Sharingans. My theory is that Nagatos Rinnegan is actually Madaras. Madara had Tobi put the Rinnegan in Nagato because he had such huge chakra reserves so he could handle it. Once Nagato got older,Tobi would have Nagato revive Madara which is why Madara thought Nagato revived him when he came back.



That still doesn't make any sense though. Why would Nagato's parents give in to such an act of transplanting and implanting they're own son with weird eyes. Unless they were under a genjutsu...

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Posted 23 June 2012 - 01:44 PM

QUOTE (Dalton (I stink at names) @ Jun 22 2012, 07:48 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I just now realised...Naruto would be over if it werent for Sakura. Typed this on Youtube a while ago

I really don't get these Sakura bashers, or the NH fans that hate her for no reason. Sakura is the only reason this show is still going on. If she hadn't been there when Naruto turned 4 tails, he may very well be dead. And if she wasn't here, the preciouse Hinata would be DEAD!

Sakura=useless? Yeah, the first one to ever beat an Akatsukie member, the only one who cured Sasorie's poison. Saved Konkuro, Healed Naruto...ten-billion times, sereing as a medical ninja for the war.

AND SHE SAVED HINATA! SHE'S NOT USELESS PEOPLE!

Sorry for the bashing but I'm too lazy to go back and edit tongue.gif

I recently got to thinking, Sakura is a student of Tsunade. And if I remember correctly, when Tsunade was Sakura's age she was kicking ass on the battlefield taking on whole armies alongside Orochimaru and Jiraiya. Is Sakura that powerful as well? We all know she is an excellent medical ninja and she also has super strength, but is there something I'm missing? Tsunade as we seen her in some of the flashbacks was always on the battlefield, but Sakura during this war is mainly just acting as a medic. Kind of disappoints me that if she really is as powerful as Tsunade that she isn't fighting.

To go a bit further into this :
Sasuke has surpassed Orochimaru

Naruto has surpassed Jiraiya

Sakura has surpassed Tsuande????

I want to believe this is true at this point in the series but I just don't know if we can validate that. The reason why we have these almost mirror images comparing the Sanin to team 7 is (I think) because they are suppose to succeed where there masters failed. Naruto has done this with Jiraiya multiple times.

And that reminds me, Tsunade chose to never love anyone after her boyfriend died, Jiaya's final bet with her was lost, and their romance never saw the light of day. Don't you think Naruto will succeed where Jiraiya failed and win Sakura's heart somehow?

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Posted 23 June 2012 - 01:47 PM

QUOTE (redragon88 @ Jun 22 2012, 11:49 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I might be over thinking it but I think we have been receiving little teases about the relationship Naruto and Sakura share for many months now.

We get confirmation that Naruto and Sakura will share equal main spotlight in Road to Ninja so we'll see a lot of how they work together. Also, Naruto's parents appear and be main characters, I would find it ridiculous if Sakura didn't talk to them at least once but I'm sure it will be more. Recently we found out Sakura's own parents will appear for the first time and take part in the movie, again it would be stupid if Naruto didn't speak to them at least once.

The Rock Lee anime has surprisingly bombarded us with how Naruto and Sakura get along so well with each other. It got to the point where they outright stated that Naruto's personality mixes perfectly with Sakura's thus making them ideal to be a couple, in front of poor Hinata no less who then sulked beneath a bench (Reality hits you hard bro laugh.gif ). I know you're not supposed to take a silly comedy like this seriously. It's not about what actually happens in the anime, it's about the ideas the production team is intentionally transmitting.

The Naruto manga/anime itself can't really let itself focus on Naruto's and Sakura's relationship since we're in the middle of a war arc, although there's always the potential of something happening now the Sakura is running to Naruto's battle field. But last year we did get that music OVA in which Sakura hugs Naruto in the end. People who are bias to NaruHina and SasuSaku will say that is platonic (that's the power of bias), but show that hug to someone who doesn't care about pairings or someone who has never seen Naruto at all and ask them if that scene looked romantic. I'm sure they will say yes. Lets be honest, if Sakura ends with Sasuke that hug scene in the OVA will look extremely awkward in retrospect.

Then there was that bit in a blog that talked about visiting a Naruto amusement park. From what I heard from a translation in deviantart those Uzumaki Sakura stickers were actually official merchandise (it was inside a folder that contained other merchandise) that was handed to people who went to the interview of the voice actors for Naruto, Sakura, Neji and Lee. Then it seems a fan asked some questions about the sticker and the paring, the voice actors seem to have answered very vaguely but apparently hinted to it while talking about Road to Ninja.

I keep asking myself what would be the point of introducing Sakura's parents now if they would only interact with Sakura. She doesn't have parent issues like Naruto so she doesn't need to work on her relationship with them. I'm pretty sure Kishi could've chosen never to introduce them and his main plot would have still remained the same, so why now and in this movie? I really believe that Kishimoto will focus a little part of the plot on how Naruto and Sakura deal with their respective other's parents even if it's just for a little bit.

I'm starting to get the idea that Kishimoto and all of the Naruto related developers got together and decided to start showing hints to people to get them accustomed to the idea of Naruto and Sakura together, even if it's just subtle.



I agree, there's been A LOT of hints these recent months. I feel like he's 'warming us up to it' too.

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Posted 23 June 2012 - 03:00 PM

QUOTE (NS means logic @ Jun 23 2012, 07:43 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Paptala made it very clear, but you still think Sakura need to prove that she can be strong like Naruto and Sasuke.


First of you don't measure a character value by its power  level, your reply to Dalton sounded very sexist if like you only care about the characters power and not the character itself.

People measure characters by the importance and the influences they have on the main character. Example: Rukia and Orihime, The Soul Society Arc and The Arrancars Arc.

And about Tsunade, you know and everyone else knows that if Jiraya made it back alive you wouldn't be saying that right now. You know what was Tsunade biggest regrets? Was the fact that she waited so long to open up to him.

I'm not making a secret message or anything, quit jumping to conclusions and actually read my messages for what they are, not what you think I'm meaning by writing them. You completely avoided my message and talked about things that are 100% irrelevant to the question I posed.

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Posted 23 June 2012 - 03:28 PM

QUOTE (Branden @ Jun 23 2012, 11:00 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I'm not making a secret message or anything, quit jumping to conclusions and actually read my messages for what they are, not what you think I'm meaning by writing them. You completely avoided my message and talked about things that are 100% irrelevant to the question I posed.


You right sweatdrop.gif I'm deeply sorry.
I will remove that post it really doesn't answer your question.

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Posted 23 June 2012 - 03:58 PM

QUOTE (Branden @ Jun 23 2012, 08:44 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I recently got to thinking, Sakura is a student of Tsunade. And if I remember correctly, when Tsunade was Sakura's age she was kicking ass on the battlefield taking on whole armies alongside Orochimaru and Jiraiya. Is Sakura that powerful as well? We all know she is an excellent medical ninja and she also has super strength, but is there something I'm missing? Tsunade as we seen her in some of the flashbacks was always on the battlefield, but Sakura during this war is mainly just acting as a medic. Kind of disappoints me that if she really is as powerful as Tsunade that she isn't fighting.

To go a bit further into this :
Sasuke has surpassed Orochimaru

Naruto has surpassed Jiraiya

Sakura has surpassed Tsuande????

I want to believe this is true at this point in the series but I just don't know if we can validate that. The reason why we have these almost mirror images comparing the Sanin to team 7 is (I think) because they are suppose to succeed where there masters failed. Naruto has done this with Jiraiya multiple times.

And that reminds me, Tsunade chose to never love anyone after her boyfriend died, Jiaya's final bet with her was lost, and their romance never saw the light of day. Don't you think Naruto will succeed where Jiraiya failed and win Sakura's heart somehow?

Honestly I think he already has. Her words in chapter 573 carried a lot of weight, and it pretty much proved she's going to stick by Naruto's side no matter what. I'm dissapointed as well with Sakura. I was expecting her to be more on the front lines, but I won't complain. The whole war has really just been a snooz fest for me, so I haven't really been paying much attention. I just skim through the chapters and look for either Naruto, Sakura, Hinata, or Kakashi. When Hinata says smomething Sakura isn't too far behind usually.

But I still have a nagging feeling she's going to die. She got cocky about herself, which usually leads to death for a character, or hell, anyone in real life. They get cocky, and something bad happens to them most of the time.

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Posted 23 June 2012 - 04:28 PM

QUOTE (Dalton (I stink at names) @ Jun 23 2012, 08:58 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Honestly I think he already has. Her words in chapter 573 carried a lot of weight, and it pretty much proved she's going to stick by Naruto's side no matter what. I'm dissapointed as well with Sakura. I was expecting her to be more on the front lines, but I won't complain. The whole war has really just been a snooz fest for me, so I haven't really been paying much attention. I just skim through the chapters and look for either Naruto, Sakura, Hinata, or Kakashi. When Hinata says smomething Sakura isn't too far behind usually.

But I still have a nagging feeling she's going to die. She got cocky about herself, which usually leads to death for a character, or hell, anyone in real life. They get cocky, and something bad happens to them most of the time.

If Hinata dies, fine.
Just as long as her death isn't pointless like Jiraiya : "Oh I know! I'll just go back to make sure I was right. Yep I'm right, I can die now. I already was right to begin with, but now I'm going to die for no reason."

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Posted 23 June 2012 - 05:14 PM

Man, I was heartbroken when Jiraiya died. I hoped with all my might that he would live and get back to Tsunade somehow.

That's another reason why I love NaruSaku so much. The dynamics are almost identical to Tsunade and Jiraiya, I just hope that Sakura will fully accept Naruto's love and understand her own feelings before it's too late and it ends in tragedy again.

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Posted 23 June 2012 - 05:36 PM

QUOTE (Branden @ Jun 23 2012, 12:28 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
If Hinata dies, fine.
Just as long as her death isn't pointless like Jiraiya : "Oh I know! I'll just go back to make sure I was right. Yep I'm right, I can die now. I already was right to begin with, but now I'm going to die for no reason."


Will you care to elaborate more about that post?

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Posted 23 June 2012 - 05:49 PM

I hate it when characters die for no reason, or for a crap reason.

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Posted 23 June 2012 - 07:20 PM

QUOTE (kirabook @ Jun 23 2012, 10:44 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Man, I was heartbroken when Jiraiya died. I hoped with all my might that he would live and get back to Tsunade somehow.

That's another reason why I love NaruSaku so much. The dynamics are almost identical to Tsunade and Jiraiya, I just hope that Sakura will fully accept Naruto's love and understand her own feelings before it's too late and it ends in tragedy again.


Same happened to me. Jiraiya died for no reason and I was very sad due to the little talk tsunade and jiraiya had before he left and also Jiraiya didn't get to meet and share some words with Naruto before he left. Jiraiya dying was one of the most sad moments in Naruto others being Naruto's sad childhood, Minato and kushina dying protecting Naruto. shamefulcry0js.gif shamefulcry0js.gif


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Posted 23 June 2012 - 07:22 PM

I feel in that situation, Jiraiya was destined to die, for the sake of romantic tragedy and to give Naruto the pain that Sasuke had, though Naruto's wasn't as as intense, or was it? Jiraiya was probably one of the closest to Naruto, because Jiraiya felt like his father/grandfather.

But at the same time, Naruto didn't watch his parent figure killed over and over again in a vision, so, probably not at intense. Ah, I'm rambling now.

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Posted 23 June 2012 - 07:36 PM

QUOTE (kirabook @ Jun 23 2012, 12:22 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I feel in that situation, Jiraiya was destined to die, for the sake of romantic tragedy and to give Naruto the pain that Sasuke had, though Naruto's wasn't as as intense, or was it? Jiraiya was probably one of the closest to Naruto, because Jiraiya felt like his father/grandfather.

But at the same time, Naruto didn't watch his parent figure killed over and over again in a vision, so, probably not at intense. Ah, I'm rambling now.

your right, him losing Jiraiya was nothing at all like what Sasuke went through. thanks for pointing that out.

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Posted 23 June 2012 - 08:54 PM

QUOTE (Branden @ Jun 23 2012, 06:28 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
If Hinata dies, fine.
Just as long as her death isn't pointless like Jiraiya : "Oh I know! I'll just go back to make sure I was right. Yep I'm right, I can die now. I already was right to begin with, but now I'm going to die for no reason."


Hey, J-man's death made me weeping for months lol.

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Anyways, I'm fully aware that Naruto wants to fulfill Kushina's dying wishes that he finds a girl like her. We all know Hinata is out of the question. And who's the girl? We all know that Sakura share common traits and behavior, not to mention that they were teased about a certaint part they didn't like before. Kushina... hair... Sakura... forehead. The only thing that Hinata has a connection to Kushina is that she was also abducted by Kumo. Relax, because NH and SS is a lost cost. Look at the reaction on Sasuke's face, when he found out that Karin is an Uzumaki. Even though Kishi drew Sasuke at an awekard position, difficult to discern his facial expression. But nevertheless, he got excited for a moment rather if it was in a good or bad light. Just wonder how much Karin's heritage of an impact of Sasuke?

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Posted 23 June 2012 - 09:03 PM

I don't think Naruto is going to go out of his way to fulfill his mothers wish with that. What he wants just happens to align with what she wished for him. Just like him sleeping like she wished him to.

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Posted 23 June 2012 - 09:15 PM

QUOTE (Branden @ Jun 23 2012, 09:44 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I recently got to thinking, Sakura is a student of Tsunade. And if I remember correctly, when Tsunade was Sakura's age she was kicking ass on the battlefield taking on whole armies alongside Orochimaru and Jiraiya. Is Sakura that powerful as well? We all know she is an excellent medical ninja and she also has super strength, but is there something I'm missing? Tsunade as we seen her in some of the flashbacks was always on the battlefield, but Sakura during this war is mainly just acting as a medic. Kind of disappoints me that if she really is as powerful as Tsunade that she isn't fighting.



It does make sense that Sakura isn't on the battlefield fighting like Tsunade did when she was her age since that was during the Second Shinobi World War and Konoha's Medical Corp was founded by Tsunade after the war. So at the time Tsunade's job was not to heal the wounded but to fight. But as for Sakura's fighting skills compaired to Tsunade I have no idea and we'll just have to see.

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