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[ns.Believe.It]

Imagine if a non-Naruto fan watches this movie - ' Wow. this blonde kid and creepy eyes are really in deep love ! ' 

He then decides to give other Naruto movies a try.

 

He picks RtN and starts watching it. .Its safe to say that person will be left dumbfounded and speechless. 

 

By then end of RtN, he'll be tearing his hair out. 

[NarutoUzumaki01]

I realize now that Sakura's journey was not to fall in love with Naruto. It was to accept and acknowledge him. She was never going to stop loving Sasuke, Kishimoto has made that clear. And I don't mind that anymore. They have a beautiful friendship in canon, and if Hinata is the one to make Naruto the happiest, then I will support that. I still won't ship it, but I can see why it's there.

Sorry to hear that Kishimoto succeded in ruining one person point of view. Despite Sakura herselft realised that she just wanted to save him, and other's realised that she started to love Naruto, and Kakashi makes it clear, but - oh well, it's up to you. 

[FireFox]

 

Most people who ship NH also ship SS. I've seen more Sakura hate from the NS side of things after she ended up with Sasuke, tbh lol

 

And Sakura only ever loved on person, too. It's not like Hinata is the only character to end up like that. : p

As for liking Hinata, welllll, I'm not going to look at this with shipper goggles on, because that just leads to "omg she has done nothing, evil harlot must dieeee" and completely ignoring the things she did do.

 

Hinata is a lot like Naruto, only on the opposite spectrum. He had no family, and so no one acknowledged him because of what happened with Kurama/his behavior. Hinata had family, but they didn't acknowledge her because of her weakness/behavior. She's the underdog as far as he female cast goes. Naruto inspires her to not give up, and to keep going, despite her flaws. (Sasuke was the reason Sakura wanted to get stronger, and I honestly think Hinata's reasons are much better than Sakura's lol) Hinata was the first person Naruto was open about his true self with, and she's also the first person to acknowledge him/accept him. (I mean, sheesh, sakura needed Sasuke-the-jerk-Uchiha to tell her to knock it the fluff off.)

 

It was Hinata alone that entered the fight against Pain to protect Naruto, and if she hadn't, he'd be dead right now. It was her almost death that spurned him to not give up/broke the seal. It was also Hinata that stopped Naruto from giving into Obito after Neji's death (And it was his choice, he chose to jump in front of Hinata and Naruto. It's not like she threw him in front of them and cackled like some people have made it out to be lol)

 

I realize now that Sakura's journey was not to fall in love with Naruto. It was to accept and acknowledge him. She was never going to stop loving Sasuke, Kishimoto has made that clear. And I don't mind that anymore. They have a beautiful friendship in canon, and if Hinata is the one to make Naruto the happiest, then I will support that. I still won't ship it, but I can see why it's there.

Why are you here again remind me ?  Did they sent you on a mission to convert us ?  LOL  one last time stop kittening implying that  we read it wrong we didn't and seriously the BS you just wrote  belongs to NH/SS section maybe you should spend your time there . FYI Sakura was the one to acknowledge and support Naruto first  OPENLY  read the freaking manga and stop being Kishimoto  sign .

Edited by NarutoFireFoxUzumaki, 03 December 2014 - 01:31 PM.

[Advaith]

 

Most people who ship NH also ship SS. I've seen more Sakura hate from the NS side of things after she ended up with Sasuke, tbh lol

 

And Sakura only ever loved on person, too. It's not like Hinata is the only character to end up like that. : p

As for liking Hinata, welllll, I'm not going to look at this with shipper goggles on, because that just leads to "omg she has done nothing, evil harlot must dieeee" and completely ignoring the things she did do.

 

Hinata is a lot like Naruto, only on the opposite spectrum. He had no family, and so no one acknowledged him because of what happened with Kurama/his behavior. Hinata had family, but they didn't acknowledge her because of her weakness/behavior. She's the underdog as far as he female cast goes. Naruto inspires her to not give up, and to keep going, despite her flaws. (Sasuke was the reason Sakura wanted to get stronger, and I honestly think Hinata's reasons are much better than Sakura's lol) Hinata was the first person Naruto was open about his true self with, and she's also the first person to acknowledge him/accept him. (I mean, sheesh, sakura needed Sasuke-the-jerk-Uchiha to tell her to knock it the fluff off.)

 

It was Hinata alone that entered the fight against Pain to protect Naruto, and if she hadn't, he'd be dead right now. It was her almost death that spurned him to not give up/broke the seal. It was also Hinata that stopped Naruto from giving into Obito after Neji's death (And it was his choice, he chose to jump in front of Hinata and Naruto. It's not like she threw him in front of them and cackled like some people have made it out to be lol)

 

I realize now that Sakura's journey was not to fall in love with Naruto. It was to accept and acknowledge him. She was never going to stop loving Sasuke, Kishimoto has made that clear. And I don't mind that anymore. They have a beautiful friendship in canon, and if Hinata is the one to make Naruto the happiest, then I will support that. I still won't ship it, but I can see why it's there.

I always wanted to ask u this what exactly is it that ur trying to reason.

 

I like to tell u everything in detail but this topic is something i ABSOLUTELY disgust.

 

I saw ur posts after the final chapter release starting from SS and on and on.

 

We don't want this kind of explanation in here.If u think we are in denial and don't see things and read it wrong then read the manga again,no need for any movies or anime/fillers,just the manga.

 

U might wanna think about spending ur time with NH/SS.

[kidNinja]

 

Most people who ship NH also ship SS. I've seen more Sakura hate from the NS side of things after she ended up with Sasuke, tbh lol

 

And Sakura only ever loved on person, too. It's not like Hinata is the only character to end up like that. : p

As for liking Hinata, welllll, I'm not going to look at this with shipper goggles on, because that just leads to "omg she has done nothing, evil harlot must dieeee" and completely ignoring the things she did do.

 

Hinata is a lot like Naruto, only on the opposite spectrum. He had no family, and so no one acknowledged him because of what happened with Kurama/his behavior. Hinata had family, but they didn't acknowledge her because of her weakness/behavior. She's the underdog as far as he female cast goes. Naruto inspires her to not give up, and to keep going, despite her flaws. (Sasuke was the reason Sakura wanted to get stronger, and I honestly think Hinata's reasons are much better than Sakura's lol) Hinata was the first person Naruto was open about his true self with, and she's also the first person to acknowledge him/accept him. (I mean, sheesh, sakura needed Sasuke-the-jerk-Uchiha to tell her to knock it the fluff off.)

 

It was Hinata alone that entered the fight against Pain to protect Naruto, and if she hadn't, he'd be dead right now. It was her almost death that spurned him to not give up/broke the seal. It was also Hinata that stopped Naruto from giving into Obito after Neji's death (And it was his choice, he chose to jump in front of Hinata and Naruto. It's not like she threw him in front of them and cackled like some people have made it out to be lol)

 

I realize now that Sakura's journey was not to fall in love with Naruto. It was to accept and acknowledge him. She was never going to stop loving Sasuke, Kishimoto has made that clear. And I don't mind that anymore. They have a beautiful friendship in canon, and if Hinata is the one to make Naruto the happiest, then I will support that. I still won't ship it, but I can see why it's there.

 

 

Why are you still here? Seriously.

[Narufan85]

Lilac be using that Kishi logic.

[ns.Believe.It]

 

Most people who ship NH also ship SS. I've seen more Sakura hate from the NS side of things after she ended up with Sasuke, tbh lol

 

And Sakura only ever loved on person, too. It's not like Hinata is the only character to end up like that. : p

As for liking Hinata, welllll, I'm not going to look at this with shipper goggles on, because that just leads to "omg she has done nothing, evil harlot must dieeee" and completely ignoring the things she did do.

 

Hinata is a lot like Naruto, only on the opposite spectrum. He had no family, and so no one acknowledged him because of what happened with Kurama/his behavior. Hinata had family, but they didn't acknowledge her because of her weakness/behavior. She's the underdog as far as he female cast goes. Naruto inspires her to not give up, and to keep going, despite her flaws. (Sasuke was the reason Sakura wanted to get stronger, and I honestly think Hinata's reasons are much better than Sakura's lol) Hinata was the first person Naruto was open about his true self with, and she's also the first person to acknowledge him/accept him. (I mean, sheesh, sakura needed Sasuke-the-jerk-Uchiha to tell her to knock it the fluff off.)

 

It was Hinata alone that entered the fight against Pain to protect Naruto, and if she hadn't, he'd be dead right now. It was her almost death that spurned him to not give up/broke the seal. It was also Hinata that stopped Naruto from giving into Obito after Neji's death (And it was his choice, he chose to jump in front of Hinata and Naruto. It's not like she threw him in front of them and cackled like some people have made it out to be lol)

 

I realize now that Sakura's journey was not to fall in love with Naruto. It was to accept and acknowledge him. She was never going to stop loving Sasuke, Kishimoto has made that clear. And I don't mind that anymore. They have a beautiful friendship in canon, and if Hinata is the one to make Naruto the happiest, then I will support that. I still won't ship it, but I can see why it's there.

I see that you've conveniently left out all the things Sakura has done for Naruto. For instance, ' If it weren't for Hinata entering the fight against Pein, Naruto would be dead by now'. I guess Naruto saved himself in 663 then...?

 

And as far as I know, it was not Hinata who 'protected' (LOL ! ) Naruto. It was Naruto who ended up protecting her and it was Sakura who ended up saving her life. 

 

Hinata was the first person to acknowledge Naruto? Wonderful ! And what did she do about it? Hide behind trees and let Naruto keep on suffering. Its funny that whenever Naruto thinks about the people who saved him from the pain of loneliness he never thinks about Hinata. No, he thinks about Iruka, Sasuke, Sakura and Kakashi. 

 

Remind me again who was the ONLY person who has shown an unwavering support to Naruto's dream of becoming Hokage ? Hinata? Did she ever think about this dream of Naruto's ? Did she ever understand Naruto's pain as a Jinchuuriki ? No...It was all Sakura. 

 

But hey, its us who have our thick shipper glasses on right ? 

Edited by ns.Believe.It, 03 December 2014 - 01:48 PM.

[TouKen4Life3g]

Imagine if a non-Naruto fan watches this movie - ' Wow. this blonde kid and creepy eyes are really in deep love ! ' 
He then decides to give other Naruto movies a try.
 
He picks RtN and starts watching it. .Its safe to say that person will be left dumbfounded and speechless. 
 
By then end of RtN, he'll be tearing his hair out. 

That's the problem. It's a bit similar to watching that Digimon movie with Tai tried to contact Sora but computer system went berserk. It's like "How the hell did we jump to this?"

Let's face it, no matter how much you convinced yourself of Kishi's plan or whatever (that sounds like you're giving him a credit on writing), it still comes off low rant. I have repeatedly look back at the works and evidences and it's the same moments I get and never got a new one or found the missing link. It's the same thing. The problem is realistically, after Pain Arc, everything seems to go to a new direction. From Sasuke going psycho (though I don't mind that much) to suddenly now Sakura talks about him for herself rather than like last time, she was all about Naruto and Sasuke's bonds, to moon eye plan revealed, to many other things. It seems like we hit the new dimension, where things are about to go over the top than it needed to be.

Look, I said he's bad at writing not because of pairings, but since we're here to talk about it, I guess I should only address this aspect. The problem is obviously developing, it lacks good amount of it. In fact, it lacks so much, from what I heard, the movie only used 3 flashbacks, one in which is from the movie itself. That doesn't seem convincing and don't know why you can't include more. Maybe because there's not enough. In fact, if done by manga, it will be a page at most. Another problem is if the idea of accepting Naruto was the main point of this part 2, why do it. You did it in part 1, which is clear as day, so I call lies on this. Another problem is that if that's the case, why on earth did many put it like a couple from everywhere. I have seen from everywhere, including US with list of couples of SJ. It had the whole Natsu/Lucy exposure for years and years. Clearly, this was it. Hell, even anime studio was pushing it.

While I do respect people's opinion, I feel like we're trying the best to justify Kishi's writing as "fair". Going back to the thread of retcons and abandoned plots, you would know it's bigger than just pairings. That's the least of our problems. There were reasons why people quit this series or take far less serious. Oddly enough, from my experience, it happened greatly around Kage Summit Arc because the new display of our heroes (like Naruto being a wimp and begs on his knees). I can understand the human aspect, but the inner character said, "That doesn't seem like me." That's the problem. Hell, you can say the fact psycho Sasuke was abandoned too because he was going on as one, only to stop without showing it again. So what was the point? Not much really.

So I can't really give him the credit he deserve for thinking ahead because it's clear that he didn't. The way he does is have 10 plot path and only one is chosen, even if it doesn't connect. Just remember, there are such thing as bad writers or writing in a very controversial way. Otherwise, what's there to criticize?

[rocci]

You need to dumb down in order for you to enjoy this manga.
Or you need to have 13 year old mentality to truly enjoy this manga.
Because it's a shonen apparently

[NarutoUzumaki01]

You need to dumb down in order for you to enjoy this manga.
Or you need to have 13 year old mentality to truly enjoy this manga.
Because it's a shonen apparently

*ending of this manga.

[TouKen4Life3g]

You need to dumb down in order for you to enjoy this manga.
Or you need to have 13 year old mentality to truly enjoy this manga.
Because it's a shonen apparently

Which is odd because people grow up, so naturally, it's best to grow with them alas get darker. Percy Jackson did it, Harry Potter did it, and so on. But hey, who cares so long you know you get new fans, right?

[Nar123]

 Sasuke was the reason Sakura wanted to get stronger,

What? Did you even read the manga?
Her motivation was BOTH of her teammates

[rocci]

Which is odd because people grow up, so naturally, it's best to grow with them alas get darker. Percy Jackson did it, Harry Potter did it, and so on. But hey, who cares so long you know you get new fans, right?

It doesn't need to be dark. It only need a good writing.
And that is what lack from naruto.

[TouKen4Life3g]

It doesn't need to be dark. It only need a good writing.
And that is what lack from naruto.

I know but my point is people grow up, so the idea of seeing things get more matured should have been addressed.

[rocci]

I know but my point is people grow up, so the idea of seeing things get more matured should have been addressed.

That's why seinen magazine exist. Your idea is like codusn post about snk popularity.
I don't think naruto need to address mature, because the demographic doesn't required it. For me naruto only need good story telling.

[NarutoUzumaki01]

That's the problem. It's a bit similar to watching that Digimon movie with Tai tried to contact Sora but computer system went berserk. It's like "How the hell did we jump to this?"

Let's face it, no matter how much you convinced yourself of Kishi's plan or whatever (that sounds like you're giving him a credit on writing), it still comes off low rant. I have repeatedly look back at the works and evidences and it's the same moments I get and never got a new one or found the missing link. It's the same thing. The problem is realistically, after Pain Arc, everything seems to go to a new direction. From Sasuke going psycho (though I don't mind that much) to suddenly now Sakura talks about him for herself rather than like last time, she was all about Naruto and Sasuke's bonds, to moon eye plan revealed, to many other things. It seems like we hit the new dimension, where things are about to go over the top than it needed to be.

Look, I said he's bad at writing not because of pairings, but since we're here to talk about it, I guess I should only address this aspect. The problem is obviously developing, it lacks good amount of it. In fact, it lacks so much, from what I heard, the movie only used 3 flashbacks, one in which is from the movie itself. That doesn't seem convincing and don't know why you can't include more. Maybe because there's not enough. In fact, if done by manga, it will be a page at most. Another problem is if the idea of accepting Naruto was the main point of this part 2, why do it. You did it in part 1, which is clear as day, so I call lies on this. Another problem is that if that's the case, why on earth did many put it like a couple from everywhere. I have seen from everywhere, including US with list of couples of SJ. It had the whole Natsu/Lucy exposure for years and years. Clearly, this was it. Hell, even anime studio was pushing it.

While I do respect people's opinion, I feel like we're trying the best to justify Kishi's writing as "fair". Going back to the thread of retcons and abandoned plots, you would know it's bigger than just pairings. That's the least of our problems. There were reasons why people quit this series or take far less serious. Oddly enough, from my experience, it happened greatly around Kage Summit Arc because the new display of our heroes (like Naruto being a wimp and begs on his knees). I can understand the human aspect, but the inner character said, "That doesn't seem like me." That's the problem. Hell, you can say the fact psycho Sasuke was abandoned too because he was going on as one, only to stop without showing it again. So what was the point? Not much really.

So I can't really give him the credit he deserve for thinking ahead because it's clear that he didn't. The way he does is have 10 plot path and only one is chosen, even if it doesn't connect. Just remember, there are such thing as bad writers or writing in a very controversial way. Otherwise, what's there to criticize?

It's not like authors can't do mistakes you know, yeah, there was some mess in manga, but with proper ending - it could be less damage to 15 years of story. Clearly Naruto is popular in general, and there was some deep things in it to like it for, but with 2 last chapters - I can't even possible image someone could drope quality of story with such rate. Literally ending was about MC's rival becoming are vagabond and a saint, and his time-dimensional fangirl Sakura appear from chapter 3. that was forgoted long time ago. And a clear advertisment chapter to bring someone for part 3. Because we didn't get any kitten resolve if you think about it:

- Did we saw Naruto becoming Hokage and aknowledged by all his villagers? No - he just already being hokage for a long time as it seens.

- Did we saw Naruto talks with Sakura about his feelings or POAL? No they didn't even get ONE line for each other.

- Did we saw Naruto's happy family? No, we saw only his son and only assume that he is with Hinata because of desing of a girl with wishkers, and that's stupid - because story wise - there is no sense to that couple at all.

- Did we saw Naruto as good dad/father/parent? No, because character that we saw - like a shadow of Naruto, character that for 15 years was inspiration for boys and kids ingereal - was about not giving up, about being stubborn for what you belive, for what you love and care. But this "character" that we saw - only brag about "being ninja" and not in a way that Jiraiya or Kakashi or even Itachi think of it. Someone who was not loved in his childhood, who witnessed all the horror of loneliness - give this treatment for his own child? Is that even Naruto?

- Is this even Naruto? No dattebayo, no smile as usuall. Some details tells that this "character" forgot about promise to his mother as well (who cares any way? It's only death wish of hers).

- Did Naruto saved Sasuke? Well... He's not dead, so it could count as "win" for one of "to do list" but that's it.

This just can't be named as "bad writting" because it's clearly more then that. 

Edited by NarutoUzumaki01, 03 December 2014 - 02:14 PM.

[trang95]

 

Most people who ship NH also ship SS. I've seen more Sakura hate from the NS side of things after she ended up with Sasuke, tbh lol

 

And Sakura only ever loved on person, too. It's not like Hinata is the only character to end up like that. : p

As for liking Hinata, welllll, I'm not going to look at this with shipper goggles on, because that just leads to "omg she has done nothing, evil harlot must dieeee" and completely ignoring the things she did do.

 

Hinata is a lot like Naruto, only on the opposite spectrum. He had no family, and so no one acknowledged him because of what happened with Kurama/his behavior. Hinata had family, but they didn't acknowledge her because of her weakness/behavior. She's the underdog as far as he female cast goes. Naruto inspires her to not give up, and to keep going, despite her flaws. (Sasuke was the reason Sakura wanted to get stronger, and I honestly think Hinata's reasons are much better than Sakura's lol) Hinata was the first person Naruto was open about his true self with, and she's also the first person to acknowledge him/accept him. (I mean, sheesh, sakura needed Sasuke-the-jerk-Uchiha to tell her to knock it the fluff off.)

 

It was Hinata alone that entered the fight against Pain to protect Naruto, and if she hadn't, he'd be dead right now. It was her almost death that spurned him to not give up/broke the seal. It was also Hinata that stopped Naruto from giving into Obito after Neji's death (And it was his choice, he chose to jump in front of Hinata and Naruto. It's not like she threw him in front of them and cackled like some people have made it out to be lol)

 

I realize now that Sakura's journey was not to fall in love with Naruto. It was to accept and acknowledge him. She was never going to stop loving Sasuke, Kishimoto has made that clear. And I don't mind that anymore. They have a beautiful friendship in canon, and if Hinata is the one to make Naruto the happiest, then I will support that. I still won't ship it, but I can see why it's there.

I wonder what the mods have to say to your statement

[ns.Believe.It]

Which is odd because people grow up, so naturally, it's best to grow with them alas get darker. Percy Jackson did it, Harry Potter did it, and so on. But hey, who cares so long you know you get new fans, right?

Its like Kishimoto pressed the Reset button. Naruto is the new Pokemon 

 

Kishimoto seems to have pressed the Self-Destruct button too.

 

 

What? Did you even read the manga?
Her motivation was BOTH of her teammates

And this was only at the end of part 1 and beginning of part 2. By the time of War arc, she wanted to get stronger so that she can stand alongside Naruto and Sasuke as an equal.

 

But for some people, the source of a woman's motivation can only ever be her love for a man    

[Tsuki Hoshino]

I'm not even going to dignify that "post" of Lilac's with a long, thought out explanation of how wrong it was because you can't fight stupid.

But I will say this, anyone who says they were a NS fan, and then out of the other side of their mouth says "We read it wrong" or that what we saw wasn't what was there, is not an NS fan. Naruto and Sakura's relationship was THERE. You know whose wasn't? Hinata and Naruto's. 15 kittening chapters of basically Naruto-kooning? Please, GTFO of here with that kitten. 

Hinata jumped into the fight because she DIDN'T understand and accept Naruto. She did it because she was SELFISH. ( not to mention suicidal ) Naruto would have lived without her interference because guess what? PLOT ARMOR. 

 

Edited by Tsuki Hoshino, 03 December 2014 - 02:18 PM.

[TouKen4Life3g]

That's why seinen magazine exist. Your idea is like codusn post about snk popularity.
I don't think naruto need to address mature, because the demographic doesn't required it. For me naruto only need good story telling.

Good point. I guess I mixed up with novels because I remember in Percy Jackson, it was all fun and games until book 3, where people starts to die at a very young age or rituals consuming a young boy, and so on. Same with Harry Potter, especially if you follow the movie. We went PG to PG-13 by book 4. It's like "Damn, kitten is about to get real." And it did. Bottom line, you had it but then you went back to part 1 status, the bad part of it, and that what hurts Naruto.