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#16541 rocci

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Posted 11 April 2013 - 05:01 AM

QUOTE (Don-kun @ Apr 11 2013, 10:27 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Didn't you get it, she knows how much Naruto loves her and she knows it will hurt him, if she really cares about Naruto that is the last thing she will do and if she has romantic feelings for Naruto at this point it just make it worst for SS, I guess the only way SS can happen if Naruto is the one who tells Sakura he already fallen for Hinata and he want to have a future with her, But if Naruto still loves Sakura and only Sakura then SS is good has dead.

So I will recommend to focus on Naruto's next reaction in the romantic department instead of worrying about Sakura and SS.
In other words everything will start with Naruto and end with Naruto, main character always haves the last word.


I agree with you, we should focus on naruto feeling. and that's why i am more concern with who is naruto's rin? is it sakura or hinata? because i belive the next battle obito will fall with naruto tnj him using his same experience(naruto love life).

QUOTE (lord287 @ Apr 11 2013, 11:14 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Didn't u guys just saw how kishi just made sasuke turn good out of nowhere, his reason for making obito evil, Naruto holding Hinata's hand etc.
People believe it, development doesn't mean anything for that person he will do in the end whatever he wants to do and whether it will make sense or not he just don't care. I put my bets that any pairing which will happen in the end will not make sense including NS because kishi would have already messed it up a lot more.
And u guys remember chapter 540, if sakura sees that sasuke has indeed turned good I don't have any second thoughts that SS will be the final judgement along with NH considering how much nonsense development kishi has started giving to NH near the end of manga. I think everything is falling into place in kishi's mind, since he might has always wanted NH and SS to be final but couldn't do the development because sasuke left the village and hinata wasn't in the team but now during the war hinata is with Naruto, their is no bloody sign of where sakura went and Sasuke is coming back with all the goodness sakura wanted in him. If you people still expect kishi to end up with NS u r just in denial of anything that is lately going on in this manga.(to be more precise u guys are in denial to what has been going on in this manga since 1-2 years now)


not really it is like who is tobi? i for one belive he is madara because he said so while still using mask.
it's the same with naruto, if naruto didn't love anyone from the start of manga than nh has big change than ns.
if naruto get change of feeling with one panel he see hinata in romantic way than nh has bigger change.
but i don't found it. i only see there are few naruto and sakura interaction in the arc where the starter is another naruto "copy" with the same conflict, and the same unrequited love.

and i can be wrong but before that i will wait, at least until obito tnj.

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Posted 11 April 2013 - 05:02 AM

QUOTE (Inferno180 @ Apr 11 2013, 04:42 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I get the feeling that mt. kage rushmore is going to become one giant cannon and fling them across the land, as stupid as that sounds, or they can use a transportation technique. Anyways yeah, the whole travel point of time and distance in this universe is speculative, I mean Mabui (Ay's assistant) just happens to have the fastest speed technique, one that can transport other objects almost instantaneously. I'm sure the fight with Sasuke and Itachi against Kabuto was far away from the battlefront and yet Sasuke and co made it back to the leaf within a few hours. Some of this makes us think I mean it took 3 days for team 7 and temari to reach the leaf village.

I never shipped anything with Sasuke, I always thought he was a decent character but he just became too insane it was funny around the 5 kage summit. Still Sasuke is going to be a new type of avenger. Sasuke has no time for love this is what Sasuke should still be despite being good:



He can will start and go through this redemption, just Sasuke is not the kind of guy in this manga for love, don't know why people still act like it. His only love should be finding a new family, aka back with team 7, he has a brother in Naruto. He messed his chances with Sakura th_7eyytubokky7rehok1k.gif

hopefully we will get this in the end:



I mean everything is still there, just hope kishi keeps everyone else constant, let Sakura mature and realize her feelings for Naruto, let Naruto accept Sakura in honesty after he sees this. We know the reasons, its a good ending for development for them. Sasuke can apologize to her, she can accept it but she needs to get over her ideal vision of him because he was never there for her even in the start, only cared for her as a comrade, no reason for kishi to start it now. He could apologize easily to Karin, it should take a lot more for team 7. Sasuke turning did not change the fact of what he did in the past and how this never had any real benefit for Sakura. Sakura's benefits and efforts have always fallen with Naruto. Basically Naruto and Sakura did a monumental amount of stuff together, they grew and experienced a lot of it. Sakura and Sasuke never had any major developing impact on each other, rather Sasuke only impacted Sakura in a negative way but this was for the drama and struggle of her character, its time she overcame this and goes with Naruto, who stood by her and who she always stood by, hey Sakura is stubborn but she cannot just switch to Naruto, we need to see some event to gradually start and push her there. I still stand by my fact that Naruto and Sakura will have more interaction, chapters 540 and 615 still have potential to show this alongside every other past event, Sakura can turn to Naruto and Naruto still most likely loves Sakura. Sakura still loved Sasuke as of 540 but she was ashamed and this could be for her part on development to start her movement away from him, it could be. I still have faith NaruSaku will come, I mean kishi does bad stuff from time to time, yet he made RtN very good, even as only a movie, it still is derived from the canon material and shows Naruto and Sakura have that good close never breaking relationship that can become something more. RtN proved NS can fit the Minakush parallel and has the foundation for something more, if it could work there it can work effortlessly in the manga. NaruSaku faith is still strong even with a mellowed out Sasuke.


I also don't see Sasuke as a character who will find love except in fanfiction heheelq7.png . Unless of course Kishimoto does the impossible and makes it Sasunaru in the end. That I would be down with eager.gif .
In all seriousness, we may see Sasuke in the future with a wife, and at this point it would probably be Karin (not Ino, because she let go of Sasuke with her whole "positive love" thing.) We may not even see him with a wife at all, maybe only a kid and we'll be left guessing who the mother is. But I think we'll definitely get some sort of flashforward and we'll see that Sasuke has settled down in the village and is going about "restoring his clan".
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Posted 11 April 2013 - 05:04 AM

QUOTE (Fenris @ Apr 11 2013, 12:56 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Proably already been said before but this was an interesting point I saw on tumblr:

Sakura chooses Naruto at her own free will now that Sasuke is back. She knows Naruto is the one she loves. And she just doesn't choose him because Sasuke is gone. She chooses Naruto because she loves him.

Right. This way SS and NH can't be like "She chose him because he was the 2nd best but at least he was there" excuse.

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Posted 11 April 2013 - 05:05 AM

QUOTE (narusakuluv @ Apr 11 2013, 01:02 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I also don't see Sasuke as a character who will find love except in fanfiction heheelq7.png . Unless of course Kishimoto does the impossible and makes it Sasunaru in the end. That I would be down with eager.gif .
In all seriousness, we may see Sasuke in the future with a wife, and at this point it would probably be Karin (not Ino, because she let go of Sasuke with her whole "positive love" thing.) We may not even see him with a wife at all, maybe only a kid and we'll be left guessing who the mother is. But I think we'll definitely get some sort of flashforward and we'll see that Sasuke has settled down in the village and is going about "restoring his clan".

This or go with the Shaman King route, surprising the world that he is married to someone unexpected or at least seems impossible and because of how one person is well "crazy".

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Posted 11 April 2013 - 05:11 AM

talk about sakura confension many people belive naruto hate her or move on because he hate people who lie to themself.
i think the same happen with itachi to sasuke. i mean itachi indeed slay his clan, but he never tell his brother why only give him the impresion that he is monster who only kill to know his limit. the truth is not and we saw sasuke still love, even make him the reason of his change from bad to good to bad to good to worse and good as what the new chapter show.

now i think this is what kishi mean with sakura heroic movement, her lying is an act of heroic sacrifice just like itachi do, well maybe not in the same scale with itachi but i hope you got it.

Edited by rocci, 11 April 2013 - 05:13 AM.


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Posted 11 April 2013 - 05:16 AM

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Am I the only one that finds it funny and interesting that now Sasuke is self aware about Karin clinging to him. This is the first time he's reacted like that to a girl. Whether it was Sakura, Ino, or Karin herself, previously Sasuke just didn't give a crap about that, he just nonchalantly told them to back off.


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Posted 11 April 2013 - 05:20 AM

QUOTE (redragon88 @ Apr 11 2013, 12:16 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Why no one give me response? shamefulcry0js.gif


i think because sasuke never think something romantic in his live, i don't take it too serious.
while he can suddenly grow affection to her (which unlikely for me) karin can back to team taka.

oh and if the chemistry between naruto and sakura just like karin and suigetsu, than nh has bigger change.

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Posted 11 April 2013 - 05:22 AM

QUOTE (rocci @ Apr 11 2013, 01:11 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
talk about sakura confension many people belive naruto hate her or move on because he hate people who lie to themself.
i think the same happen with itachi to sasuke. i mean itachi indeed slay his clan, but he never tell his brother why only give him the impresion that he is monster who only kill to know his limit. the truth is not and we saw sasuke still love, even make him the reason of his change from bad to good to bad to good to worse and good as what the new chapter show.

now i think this is what kishi mean with sakura heroic movement, her lying is an act of heroic sacrifice just like itachi do, well maybe not in the same scale with itachi but i hope you got it.

I understood. Don't worry, Naruto is in love with her and now that Karin is still in love, who to say he can't keep the same feeling. If he confirms it on panel, that's not good for anti.

QUOTE (redragon88 @ Apr 11 2013, 01:16 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Why no one give me response? shamefulcry0js.gif

Oh sorry. Allow me.

Well, I think the person from NF explained it nicely. The fact she beat the crap out of Suigetsu shows that she's scary and then she came to him clingy, it's like "Yeah, maybe I should watch out" or at least that's how it looks. It's rather funny scene and I guess it was set up that way since Suigetsu first started off back in the temple. It kind of remind me of Zuko and Mai (is that right name?) last moment in the show. She was like yeah that's nice, then she got a bit scary telling him don't ever leave her again, which Zuko got scared. I do wonder if there's more to it, but we just have to wait.

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Posted 11 April 2013 - 05:27 AM

QUOTE (rocci @ Apr 11 2013, 02:20 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
i think because sasuke never think something romantic in his live, i don't take it too serious.
while he can suddenly grow affection to her (which unlikely for me) karin can back to team taka.

oh and if the chemistry between naruto and sakura just like karin and suigetsu, than nh has bigger change.

Suigetsu and Karin don't have anything related to romance between each other. huh.gif

Additionally, Suigetsu is Karin's personal punching bag. Sakura has never been near as aggressive as Karin during the entire series. That misconception comes from fillers. The last time Sakura hit Naruto was in 450, and that was out of concern. The last time Sakura comically hit Naruto was after Sai called her ugly when he was coming up with nicknames. That was literally half the entire manga ago.

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Posted 11 April 2013 - 05:29 AM

QUOTE (redragon88 @ Apr 11 2013, 01:27 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Suigetsu and Karin don't have anything related to romance between each other. huh.gif

Additionally, Suigetsu is Karin's personal punching bag. Sakura has never been near as aggressive as Karin during the entire series. That misconception comes from fillers. The last time Sakura hit Naruto was in 450, and that was out of concern. The last time Sakura comically hit Naruto was after Sai called her ugly when he was coming up with nicknames. That was literally half the entire manga ago.

Hey, you can at least comment me. sad.gif

For the record, Kishi is more fond of woman dominating a strong man, and a strong man with big dreams being with a woman he loves.

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Posted 11 April 2013 - 05:31 AM

QUOTE (redragon88 @ Apr 11 2013, 12:27 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Suigetsu and Karin don't have anything related to romance between each other. huh.gif

Additionally, Suigetsu is Karin's personal punching bag. Sakura has never been near as aggressive as Karin during the entire series. That misconception comes from fillers. The last time Sakura hit Naruto was in 450, and that was out of concern. The last time Sakura comically hit Naruto was after Sai called her ugly when he was coming up with nicknames. That was literally half the entire manga ago.


yes that's why i said if only their relationship just like that, just like what a friend do, but naruto from the very start love her just like obito.

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Posted 11 April 2013 - 05:32 AM

QUOTE (rocci @ Apr 11 2013, 01:31 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
yes that's why i said if only their relationship just like that, just like what a friend do, but naruto from the very start love her just like obito.

Yeah, Naruto separates from other normal friends because he has big dreams with big heart.

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Posted 11 April 2013 - 05:35 AM

QUOTE (NaruSaku4Life3g @ Apr 11 2013, 02:29 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Hey, you can at least comment me. sad.gif

For the record, Kishi is more fond of woman dominating a strong man, and a strong man with big dreams being with a woman he loves.

There, there. tongue.gif

Maybe Sasuke's nervousness is the first hint of Karin's future dominant role in their relationship. laugh.gif

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Posted 11 April 2013 - 05:36 AM

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sorry but some kanji is unreadable to me since the scan is blurred.. :S


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QUOTE (redragon88 @ Apr 11 2013, 01:13 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Am I the only one that finds it funny and interesting that now Sasuke is self aware about Karin clinging to him. This is the first time he's reacted like that to a girl. Whether it was Sakura, Ino, or Karin herself, previously Sasuke just didn't give a crap about that, he just nonchalantly told them to back off.


That's definitely interesting! As a SasuKarin shipper I was truly expected a more serious reunion, but his reaction to her hug was very funny and kinda cute wub.gif he looked embarrassed and he definitely never reacted that way to anyone. I don't think it increases the SasuKarin chances but it definitely doesn't decreases it.

But it definitely damaged Karin's character. I'm really like her so It's a little sad that it turned out to be that way. sad.gif


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Posted 11 April 2013 - 05:40 AM

QUOTE (rocci @ Apr 11 2013, 02:31 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
yes that's why i said if only their relationship just like that, just like what a friend do, but naruto from the very start love her just like obito.

Maybe if Naruto's feelings for Sakura had been just superficial and not the deep selfless ones that have been portrayed would I be OK with the hitting thing being friendly banter, but Naruto has suffered from his love. It would feel wrong for Naruto to have this dynamic with Sakura and her not ending up with him. It just feels very wrong.

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Posted 11 April 2013 - 05:44 AM

QUOTE (redragon88 @ Apr 11 2013, 01:35 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
There, there. tongue.gif

Maybe Sasuke's nervousness is the first hint of Karin's future dominant role in their relationship. laugh.gif

Lol. Well I want to know if there's more to it, but for now, we just have to wait.

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Maybe if Naruto's feelings for Sakura had been just superficial and not the deep selfless ones that have been portrayed would I be OK with the hitting thing being friendly banter, but Naruto has suffered from his love. It would feel wrong for Naruto to have this dynamic with Sakura and her not ending up with him. It just feels very wrong.

This.

Again, Naruto is a guy with a big heart and big dreams. He have serious intentions in his goals as well as relationships. Which is why he's paralleled to many others with big dreams but failed to capture. Minato was extremely close, but sadly he and Kushina died.

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Posted 11 April 2013 - 05:49 AM

QUOTE (redragon88 @ Apr 10 2013, 10:40 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Maybe if Naruto's feelings for Sakura had been just superficial and not the deep selfless ones that have been portrayed would I be OK with the hitting thing being friendly banter, but Naruto has suffered from his love. It would feel wrong for Naruto to have this dynamic with Sakura and her not ending up with him. It just feels very wrong.

If I may ask, what makes you think Naruto's feelings for Sakura were not developed through largely superficial reasons? In my belief, his love for her works in the same way that Sakura's love for Sasuke did. He arbitrarily acquired it at a very young age and has throughout the story continued to retain those feelings, even when it was made clear to him that she did not love him back.

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Posted 11 April 2013 - 05:55 AM

QUOTE (Crimson @ Apr 11 2013, 01:49 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
If I may ask, what makes you think Naruto's feelings for Sakura were not developed through largely superficial reasons? In my belief, his love for her works in the same way that Sakura's love for Sasuke did. He arbitrarily acquired it at a very young age and has throughout the story continued to retain those feelings, even when it was made clear to him that she did not love him back.

Very easy, from even back at chapter 3 it was disproved that Naruto's love for Sakura was solely based on the superficial. Naruto fell in love with Sakura because she also seeks acknowledgment, which in her case would be Sasuke's acceptance of her. Her struggles made her endearing to Naruto.

That was the whole point of that scene in chapter 3. To establish that Sakura was more than just a pretty girl in Naruto's eyes.

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QUOTE (redragon88 @ Apr 10 2013, 10:55 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Very easy, from even back at chapter 3 it was disproved that Naruto's love for Sakura was solely based on the superficial. Naruto fell in love with Sakura because she also seeks acknowledgment, which in her case would be Sasuke's acceptance of her. Her struggles made her endearing to Naruto.

That was the whole point of that scene in chapter 3. To establish that Sakura was more than just a pretty girl in Naruto's eyes.

Which goes back to my saying that his development of feelings for her was an arbitrary decision. Sakura sought acknowledgement from Sasuke; the same could be said for every one of his other fangirls, Ino included. What then, was the deciding factor behind his falling for Sakura specifically? Her forehead?

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Posted 11 April 2013 - 06:00 AM

QUOTE (Crimson @ Apr 11 2013, 05:49 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
If I may ask, what makes you think Naruto's feelings for Sakura were not developed through largely superficial reasons? In my belief, his love for her works in the same way that Sakura's love for Sasuke did. He arbitrarily acquired it at a very young age and has throughout the story continued to retain those feelings, even when it was made clear to him that she did not love him back.

The answer to this lies in the beginning of the series: because she is the same as him. She wants to be acknowledged and like Naruto is not shy about this and is willing to do anything to achieve it. This was established in the bench scene : "I feel like I finally understand why I like her."
At first it starts out with her wanting acceptance from Sasuke, then we see in the past it was acceptance from the other girls, and further down the line it becomes about being acknowledged as a "true ninja".
Honestly, this is why I like Sakura so much.
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