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#16521 MangaReader

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Posted 03 December 2014 - 04:51 AM

This movies script...

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Any sane person's reaction

WTF


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Posted 03 December 2014 - 05:02 AM

@Atheck:

I should get something to blind me too. Mess up my eyes so I don't have to look at this atrocity even in screenshots. Hinata is shoehorned EVERYWHERE and as someone who never even hated her, seeing her forced appearances like she's suddenly important THIS much is sickening me. It's so contrived it's not even funny.

No matter how many years pass, I'll always remember Hinata as that one character that got too popular for her own good and helped destroy a much loved series in just 110 minutes.


Hinata failed to garner very much in the way of interest or sympathy from me throughout the manga. To me, she was always frail and single-minded. A girl more determined to frolick away into the delusive recessess of her fantasy circling Naruto than look at the reality of her life and attempt to push beyond her own little world for the benefit of not just her loved ones, friends, and country, but for herself as a person and as a woman.

She epitomises what Kakashi stated in his thoughts when he first met Team 7 - a girl who is more interested in boys than in her career.

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Posted 03 December 2014 - 05:09 AM

Umm...you know, we joked that all 698 chapters were being thrown out the window and all the development is just wasted, but that is literally what is happening. Like, most of the stuff that happens in the movie NEVER happened in the manga at all. I mean, really. All of the supposed "NH development" this movie says was always there...is just made up specifically for the movie only.

Seriously, "Hey, Hinata. Remember when they asked us in School on who we want to spend the rest of our lives with?" Do you, Naruto? No such scene occurs at all in the manga. In fact, no such question was ever asked.

.....I...ugh...er....where? "This movie with follow the manga." No, it doesn't, Kishi. It is trying to rewrite the manga.

I can't believe people find this acceptable...I can't believe people thought this was a good idea...just....wah? What? I don't even...When did people lose the idea that stories had to tell...you know...a story? The more that is released about this movie the less and less sense it makes.


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Posted 03 December 2014 - 05:13 AM

Umm...you know, we joked that all 698 chapters were being thrown out the window and all the development is just wasted, but that is literally what is happening. Like, most of the stuff that happens in the movie NEVER happened in the manga at all. I mean, really. All of the supposed "NH development" this movie says was always there...is just made up specifically for the movie only.

Seriously, "Hey, Hinata. Remember when they asked us in School on who we want to spend the rest of our lives with?" Do you, Naruto? No such scene occurs at all in the manga. In fact, no such question was ever asked.

.....I...ugh...er....where? "This movie with follow the manga." No, it doesn't, Kishi. It is trying to rewrite the manga.

I can't believe people find this acceptable...I can't believe people thought this was a good idea...just....wah? What? I don't even...When did people lose the idea that stories had to tell...you know...a story? The more that is released about this movie the less and less sense it makes.

 

 

lol....I just realised, that Naruto remembers a dumb test in school but he never recalled Hinata as anything other than a wierd girl...Yeah really believable that he loves her.

 

So the kiss is shown with them flying? Well makes sense because you'd have to be high to accept this piece as crap as canon.


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Posted 03 December 2014 - 05:15 AM

 

 

lol....I just realised, that Naruto remembers a dumb test in school but he never recalled Hinata as anything other than a wierd girl...Yeah really believable that he loves her.

 

So the kiss is shown with them flying? Well makes sense because you'd have to be high to accept this piece as crap as canon.

I find it hard to believe that he'd remember some random stupid assignment like that from the academy days. He never mentioned it before, why now?


 


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Posted 03 December 2014 - 05:16 AM

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Posted 03 December 2014 - 05:16 AM

Umm...you know, we joked that all 698 chapters were being thrown out the window and all the development is just wasted, but that is literally what is happening. Like, most of the stuff that happens in the movie NEVER happened in the manga at all. I mean, really. All of the supposed "NH development" this movie says was always there...is just made up specifically for the movie only.

Seriously, "Hey, Hinata. Remember when they asked us in School on who we want to spend the rest of our lives with?" Do you, Naruto? No such scene occurs at all in the manga. In fact, no such question was ever asked.

.....I...ugh...er....where? "This movie with follow the manga." No, it doesn't, Kishi. It is trying to rewrite the manga.

I can't believe people find this acceptable...I can't believe people thought this was a good idea...just....wah? What? I don't even...When did people lose the idea that stories had to tell...you know...a story? The more that is released about this movie the less and less sense it makes.

Simple. It's b/c Kishi the God said that the movie is "cannon", so NaruHina and SasuSaku fans are automatically going to use this as an argument.


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Posted 03 December 2014 - 05:17 AM

Simple. It's b/c Kishi the God said that the movie is "cannon", so NaruHina and SasuSaku fans are automatically going to use this as an argument.

This movie is going to get all kinds of praise from the majority western anime community. I don't want to hear anything from them.


 


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Posted 03 December 2014 - 05:19 AM

This movie is going to get all kinds of praise from the majority western anime community. I don't want to hear anything from them.


I don't get it. Are people so wraps up in SS/NH winning that they can't see the awful logic and writing?

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Posted 03 December 2014 - 05:20 AM

This movie is going to get all kinds of praise from the majority western anime community. I don't want to hear anything from them.

And it's all hallow praise imo, all they can say is NH became canon... that's literally it, they could not come up with anything else but that


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Posted 03 December 2014 - 05:21 AM

In that new video after the forehead thing they show NaruSaku's date before Sasuke left.. I can hear them say Naruto and Sakura's names... wondering if there's any NS talk at all in the video? Especially since we see Team 7?

Also I'm pretty sure we will see a close up of the lips regarding the kiss.  The person probably just didnt take a pic of it.


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Posted 03 December 2014 - 05:21 AM

And it's all hallow praise imo, all they can say is NH became canon... that's literally it, they could not come up with anything else but that

If NS became canon then they'd say that's a major negative of the movie and say it was kitten.


 


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Posted 03 December 2014 - 05:23 AM

If NS became canon then they'd say that's a major negative of the movie and say it was sh*tty.

And we'd all just laugh at their attempts to spark something. Again, the fact they are still on the defensive just speaks volumes for itself


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Posted 03 December 2014 - 05:32 AM

In that new video after the forehead thing they show NaruSaku's date before Sasuke left.. I can hear them say Naruto and Sakura's names... wondering if there's any NS talk at all in the video? Especially since we see Team 7?

Also I'm pretty sure we will see a close up of the lips regarding the kiss.  The person probably just didnt take a pic of it.


Interesting. I wonder what the context of that discussion was. Could you tell how the mood of the conversaion shifted when the notion of Naruto and Sakura together was brought up? Did it become light-hearted, maybe derisive? Or were the sentiments behind their words expressing some other type of emotion?

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Posted 03 December 2014 - 06:10 AM

Interesting. I wonder what the context of that discussion was. Could you tell how the mood of the conversaion shifted when the notion of Naruto and Sakura together was brought up? Did it become light-hearted, maybe derisive? Or were the sentiments behind their words expressing some other type of emotion?

I'm not sure... because I don't know Japanese... But the tone sounded normal/indifferent.  Maybe they were just talking about the past? Aka the times that made us love Naruto and not this kitten. lol

It's been posted before but this is the video I'm talking about:
http://video.fc2.com...9&start=846.178


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Posted 03 December 2014 - 06:18 AM

I'm not sure... because I don't know Japanese... But the tone sounded normal/indifferent.  Maybe they were just talking about the past? Aka the times that made us love Naruto and not this kitten. lol

It's been posted before but this is the video I'm talking about:
http://video.fc2.com...9&start=846.178


Normalcy/Indifference isn't exactly good for our OTP, but it's not entirely bad either. At least they don't share in the SS/NH's attempts to ridicule and belittle us. That's the silver lining in their conversation, I suppose.

Like all material specifically pertaining to The Last or this ending in general, I'm making a refusal to click any of those links because it only indulges something that shouldn't exist in the first place.

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Posted 03 December 2014 - 06:22 AM

Your cousin got it right. This movie is ignoring everything that was set up in the manga, including the few moments Naruto and Hinata had. Seriously, so far, the spoilers have not mentioned anything about Neji's death, or are they just exclusively focused on romance? I know two years have passed and both have moved on from their pain b/c of Neji's death, but his death should have affected Hinata at least in some way. And yet it looks like, Hinata has not made any progress. The whole world had to come in to make NaruHIna happen :down:

 

I always imagined Naruto's and Sakura's kiss to be executed like LadyGt's doujinshi "After the War" ^^ That kiss scene was in tune with the characters' personalities. It makes absolute sense that their first kiss would be initiated by Sakura first since Naruto still firmly believes that Sakura has feelings for Sasuke. Only when Sakura takes the first step, will Naruto be able to reconsider Sakura's feelings for him. And of course Naruto just looks flabbergasted and in disbelief of what just happened to him XD Another bonus is that not only does she want to go on a date with Naruto, she indirectly asks him out.

 

Lady GT's kiss is not some corny bishoujo floating moon kiss; it is simple and yet 100% logical. Her version of a NaruSaku kiss is what I personally would want in the Last.

 

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Speaking of Lady GT Kiss, her speech about Naruto makes her character go through an arc. At first, she used to have this annoying superficial fangirly love to Sasuke (that was her dream) and hated Naruto which was made on purpose. Through the series she learns to appreciate Naruto and learns from him what love truly is. That kiss shows that she went from a stupid girly crush to a real Relationship.



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Posted 03 December 2014 - 06:47 AM

Wait you don't even see them kiss it's just a silhouette? LMAO what a joke.



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Posted 03 December 2014 - 06:52 AM

Your cousin got it right. This movie is ignoring everything that was set up in the manga, including the few moments Naruto and Hinata had. Seriously, so far, the spoilers have not mentioned anything about Neji's death, or are they just exclusively focused on romance? I know two years have passed and both have moved on from their pain b/c of Neji's death, but his death should have affected Hinata at least in some way. And yet it looks like, Hinata has not made any progress. The whole world had to come in to make NaruHIna happen :down:

 

I always imagined Naruto's and Sakura's kiss to be executed like LadyGt's doujinshi "After the War" ^^ That kiss scene was in tune with the characters' personalities. It makes absolute sense that their first kiss would be initiated by Sakura first since Naruto still firmly believes that Sakura has feelings for Sasuke. Only when Sakura takes the first step, will Naruto be able to reconsider Sakura's feelings for him. And of course Naruto just looks flabbergasted and in disbelief of what just happened to him XD Another bonus is that not only does she want to go on a date with Naruto, she indirectly asks him out.

 

Lady GT's kiss is not some corny bishoujo floating moon kiss; it is simple and yet 100% logical. Her version of a NaruSaku kiss is what I personally would want in the Last.

 

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I agree every now and then I always come back to this and think wow compared to The Last this is so realistic and shows a lot of growth between Naruto and Sakura. This even shows how much Naruto means to her over the course of the story. A lot of people can relate to initially hating some one and growing to have feelings for them in the end. 

 

 

 

Funny thing is I sent Ria LadyGt's After The War, and her thoughts were the same as mine. she said that Sakura's character arc would've been complete and she wished that Hinata got the same proper treatment, and she knows that's never gonna happen. Though she took it a step further and saying you should get the final volume destroy 699 and 700 and somehow put this in. She even knows how I'm just getting Volume 71 and calling it there for the volumes. 

 

Btw, Ria actually convinced me to take my idea for The Last and turn it into a script and she's gonna act out as co-script writer and a consultant for this. So I'll be working with her on it and  I'll post up the first scene whenever we finish it. Though just out of curiosity can I post a fan script scene on this topic or does it have to be on a different topic? 


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