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#16441 Inferno180

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Posted 10 April 2013 - 03:37 AM

This is a debate thread but @ Crimson trying to downplay Sakura, you realize how much easier it is to downplay Hinata right? Not trying to provoke you but its going to be much easier to display Hinata getting steamrolled and pummeled like it was nothing compared to one with Sakura.



Anyways, if you wanted to know Sakura's full list of abilties, these would be it:

Basic- this is basically all she had in part 1:

Intelligence- Very smart but not as smart as Shikamaru, still she was without question the smartest out of Naruto and Sasuke. Sasuke had to use his Shanrigan for the chunin exam test, Sakura was able to fill in the answers so she was a brainiac.

Perfect Chakra Control- Her defining characteristic at first, while she does not have the stamina of others, this basically compensates for it, she can fight without wasting any chakra at all, she uses her power 100% without wasting a single bit, this even helps if she has to transfer chakra to others or between them.

Genjutsu resilience- at this point we all thought long ago she could be a genjutsu user but rather she has a resilience for it, she can resist some high tech ones and break them.

Part 2 after training with Tsunade and gradually revealed later on were some new powers:

Chakra Enhanced Strength- Her actual fighting power, lets her smash stuff with 10X the strength of a normal man. Its powerful and can break even large boulders and has helped her break even giant creatures like one of Pain's centipedes. Smashing stuff gives her a lot more flexibility than one would think, she does not need to simply need to punch or kick them, she can use it to manipulate the environment too, breaking the earth up does have a lot of uses.

Medical jutsu/knowledge- Her biggest talent, she can heal effortlessly, no quesitons she is a great medic, but its not just that, as a medical ninja she has a knowledge of the human body too, she knows the vital points, if Tsunade and Kabuto know it, then Sakura should as well, if she knows where to strike this makes Sakura deadlier.

Evasion and dodging- Tsunade told Sakura the point of being a medic is not to heal people, its to dodge and avoid attacks or otherwise only fight in personal defense so you don't go down so you can heal your teammates, basically avoid harm and stay alive so you can heal them, a dead medic means a dead team in some cases. Sakura learned many evasive techniques under Tsunade, this has been displayed in a few fights from early with Sasori to the ten tails, she barely dodged a big stake with Kakashi, this was a controlled attack over a wide range and she avoided it. Oh and her getting hit by a rock, well not everything can be dodged especially when derbis is flying around. Not all attacks can be avoided, this does not mean Sakura is untouchable this means that she knows her role, stay back in most cases and avoid harm.

Anatyical skill- Sakura has shown great analytical skills, again not as great as Shikamaru but in her own way she still learns the attack patterns and functions of enemy techniques, again this is due to her medical training. If she can know the enemy technique, being a medic she knows she is a higher priority target, knowing the attack pattern with dodging skills lets her have a higher chance of avoiding stuff. She was able to learn Sasori's attack patterns, see how Obito's phasing power, and even discovered the Zetsu thanks to this, she has a sharp mind, again not Shikamaru sharp but still very open. You could say Shikamaru beats her here like Intellegence but they do things their own way and succeed with it like that too.

Knowledge of poisons, antidotes, and sleeping pills- being a medic this is what Sakura has displayed a good knowledge of. She was able to counter Sasori's posion but also make her own posion and sleeping pills for reserve uses. We know her poison would not have worked on Sasuke, but it was able to work on Naruto now wasn't it? This means in any other case (and the poison was Sasukes, remember if you get shot in the arm by a guy using a gun that was stolen from someone else, who do you blame, the gun owner or the jerk who wounded you?). Still Sakura has displayed knowledge of this, its not a major ability to her (save the antidote she uses much more as a medic) these are things she could use in reserve if ever needed.

Sakura has a few abilities, even being a medic she has more knowledge than shown. Its not all about just big abilities, Sakura has a good set if you ask me, does better than most normal people in the series.

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Posted 10 April 2013 - 03:46 AM

QUOTE (Crimson @ Apr 10 2013, 10:37 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
By your interpretation, I suppose Hinata's being saved by Naruto was also to give Naruto a dramatic entrance?
I myself stated against Hinata having Kaiten...


yup that's my interpretation.
yes i agree, hinata doesn't has kaiten.

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Posted 10 April 2013 - 04:04 AM

QUOTE (Crimson @ Apr 9 2013, 08:59 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>

You've diverged from the current issue and have started interpreting the significance and underlying meaning behind each event within the story. That is beyond the scope of our current arguments.



My original statement:
A lack of battle feats displayed does not translate to physical weakness. I daresay Hinata could defeat Sakura in a fight.
My arguments aren't trying to downplay Sakura's existent skillset (though my problem lies with her not employing that skillset when appropriate.)

Once again, I asserted that Hinata could defeat Sakura in a fight. No one has yet challenged me directly regarding that issue.

I'd disagree with that assertion as well. If we are to debate whether Hinata would theoretically defeat Sakura in a 1 vs. 1 fight, however, we would inevitably have to use the third Databook as reference, especially considering Hinata's lack of actual feats in battle...

Edited by Baguette, 10 April 2013 - 04:06 AM.


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Posted 10 April 2013 - 04:04 AM

QUOTE (Crimson @ Apr 10 2013, 10:59 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>

You've diverged from the current issue and have started interpreting the significance and underlying meaning behind each event within the story. That is beyond the scope of our current arguments.



My original statement:
A lack of battle feats displayed does not translate to physical weakness. I daresay Hinata could defeat Sakura in a fight.
My arguments aren't trying to downplay Sakura's existent skillset (though my problem lies with her not employing that skillset when appropriate.)

Once again, I asserted that Hinata could defeat Sakura in a fight. No one has yet challenged me directly regarding that issue.


yes hinata could defeat sakura in a fight, if hinata can use kaiten while sakura don't use her poison attack.
than i daresay tenten could defeat hinata in a fight.

oh if there is something offense in my statement, i'm sorry.

Edited by rocci, 10 April 2013 - 04:06 AM.


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Posted 10 April 2013 - 04:07 AM

QUOTE (Crimson @ Apr 9 2013, 11:59 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>

You've diverged from the current issue and have started interpreting the significance and underlying meaning behind each event within the story. That is beyond the scope of our current arguments.

True, just wanting to say it. But to use my last post, I'm saying that we can't be really confident on who will win because Hinata never show all her power or she probably did, but you know, it's quick. Sakura, well we got to see how her battle works. Will it always be the same? No, don't think so. However, unless Hinata actually gets a boss fight or a fight that she has to stand and last for like 3 chapters or so, we don't know what is she capable of. For all we know, she can be really weak, but I don't know. I can't truly say. My point is I can't answer you with facts, only tell you what I think in my personal opinion. On that note, I won't argue any further.

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Posted 10 April 2013 - 04:08 AM

QUOTE (Crimson @ Apr 9 2013, 11:59 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>

You've diverged from the current issue and have started interpreting the significance and underlying meaning behind each event within the story. That is beyond the scope of our current arguments.



My original statement:
A lack of battle feats displayed does not translate to physical weakness. I daresay Hinata could defeat Sakura in a fight.
My arguments aren't trying to downplay Sakura's existent skillset (though my problem lies with her not employing that skillset when appropriate.)

Once again, I asserted that Hinata could defeat Sakura in a fight. No one has yet challenged me directly regarding that issue.


I'm pretty sure people have been doing that, I mean you are debating with people here on Hinata facing Sakura and what exactly have they been doing then? I mean you said the databook was outdated so that does not challenge you regarding your view?



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Posted 10 April 2013 - 04:13 AM

QUOTE (Crimson @ Apr 10 2013, 11:10 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
If you are suggesting that Sakura is stronger simply because she has higher stats, you would be wrong. If you wish to have a versus debate, however, then feel free to proceed.


how hinata could defeat sakura? Please answer this good sir, without make this a versus debate.

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Posted 10 April 2013 - 04:19 AM

QUOTE (rocci @ Apr 9 2013, 11:13 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
how hinata could defeat sakura? Please answer this good sir, without make this a versus debate.


This is what I want to know. What in the world does Hinata have besides the byakugan that would do wonders for her in battle?

Sakura hasn't had full blown battles but she has has ONE HIT KOS. She took down a summon with ease. She took down a Zetsu with ease.

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Posted 10 April 2013 - 04:21 AM

QUOTE (StriderC @ Apr 10 2013, 11:19 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
This is what I want to know. What in the world does Hinata have besides the byakugan that would do wonders for her in battle?

Sakura hasn't had full blown battles but she has has ONE HIT KOS. She took down a summon with ease. She took down a Zetsu with ease.


hinata can repel it IF she has kaiten.

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Posted 10 April 2013 - 04:29 AM

QUOTE (Crimson @ Apr 10 2013, 04:25 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>

[color="#8B0000"]Are we using the studio depicted anime as evidence in a manga argument?


dude that was the same exact scene? the anime didn't change what happened.

Sai clearly missed the shot in the manga too, I just used the anime version cause I thought it would make it easier for you.

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Posted 10 April 2013 - 04:34 AM

QUOTE (merryGOflava @ Apr 10 2013, 11:29 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
dude that was the same exact scene? the anime didn't change what happened.

Sai clearly missed the shot in the manga too, I just used the anime version cause I thought it would make it easier for you.


i think omoi and karui is "harmony"(?) team battle just like akamaru and kiba. and their sensei is killer bee, who even sasuke himself(plus taka) can not lay a finger to him.

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Posted 10 April 2013 - 04:40 AM

QUOTE (rocci @ Apr 9 2013, 11:21 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
hinata can repel it IF she has kaiten.


She doesn't seem to know the technique...

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Posted 10 April 2013 - 04:45 AM

QUOTE (StriderC @ Apr 10 2013, 11:40 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
She doesn't seem to know the technique...


yes she doesn't know kaiten and 64 palm attack jutsu, until proven otherwise by kishi maybe in this war.

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Posted 10 April 2013 - 04:52 AM

QUOTE (Crimson @ Apr 9 2013, 11:49 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Sakura may be able to one hit KO...if she actually succeeds in landing a hit.
Hinata has a Taijutsu stat of 3.5 as compared to Sakura's 3. Who do you think would win in close quarters combat?


Wow.. Weren't you the one that said stats don't matter? Sasori had a 4, but that sure as hell didn't stop her from hitting him now didn't it if you want to use databook...

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Posted 10 April 2013 - 04:53 AM

QUOTE (rocci @ Apr 9 2013, 11:45 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
yes she doesn't know kaiten and 64 palm attack jutsu, until proven otherwise by kishi maybe in this war.


So why are you saying she might know it? If she did, she would of used it, but she didn't. She could of used it to protect Naruto but no.

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Posted 10 April 2013 - 04:55 AM

QUOTE (Crimson @ Apr 10 2013, 11:49 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Sakura may be able to one hit KO...if she actually succeeds in landing a hit.
Hinata has a Taijutsu stat of 3.5 as compared to Sakura's 3. Who do you think would win in close quarters combat?


base on taijutsu stat hinata win.

@striderC : i said IF she know it. maybe because she is a hyuuga but as long as the story go kishi didn't make her show it. only neji and hizashi.

Edited by rocci, 10 April 2013 - 04:58 AM.


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Posted 10 April 2013 - 05:01 AM

QUOTE (Crimson @ Apr 10 2013, 04:49 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Sakura may be able to one hit KO...if she actually succeeds in landing a hit.
Hinata has a Taijutsu stat of 3.5 as compared to Sakura's 3. Who do you think would win in close quarters combat?


we're using the databooks now XD cause sakura trumps hinata in everything else.

sakura: speed 3
hinata: speed 2.5

sakura: intelligence: 4
hinata: intelligence: 3.5

sakura: hand seals: 4
hinata: hand seals: 3

sakura: strength: 3.5
hinata: strength: 1.5

sakura: stamina: 2.5
hinata: stamina: 2

sakura: ninjutsu: 3
hinata: ninjutsu: 3

sakura: genjutsu: 3.5
hinata: genjutsu: 2.5

hinata: taijutsu: 3.5
sakura: taijutsu: 3

sakura total: 26
hinata: total 21.5

I'm sorry but if you think hinata will win only on taijutsu....then I'm gonna have to disagree with ya...cause ninjas have beaten bigger people with just there smarts.

Edited by merryGOflava, 10 April 2013 - 05:04 AM.

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Posted 10 April 2013 - 05:05 AM

QUOTE (Crimson @ Apr 9 2013, 11:55 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
You seem to forget that Chiyo was fighting alongside her the entire time...
What I meant is that higher overall stats don't determine who would win in a fight. For example, how exactly would Sakura's 4 in hand seals help her when her main method of attack is a Chakra Enhanced Strike that requires no hand seals?


When she saved Chiyo? No, Chiyo didn't help her yank him to her for a punch. She didn't help her fake being poisoned and taking down the Third Kazekage Puppet. Sakura even managed to land a hit on a Sound Nin in the Forest of Death. I'm sure his taijutsu was higher than hers, and she STILL got to her enemy with basic ninjutsu.

Anyway, Hinata has to land a hit on Sakura. We've seen NOTHING of Hinata being analytical. What are her feats that would allow her to trump Sakura? We've seen something new from Hinata in this war. Lets see what Sakura has. As of now, I still think she'd win.

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Posted 10 April 2013 - 05:09 AM

QUOTE (Crimson @ Apr 9 2013, 09:49 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Sakura may be able to one hit KO...if she actually succeeds in landing a hit.
Hinata has a Taijutsu stat of 3.5 as compared to Sakura's 3. Who do you think would win in close quarters combat?

Going off of Databook 3, Sakura has both higher speed and stamina (3 & 2.5) than does Hinata (2.5 & 2) [not to mention everything else dry.gif].
In even the most far-fetched and hypothetical situation, Sakura could simply outrun and avoid Hinata's pure melee attacks, and given enough time, Hinata would run out of energy to keep up, at which point Sakura (with her whole 0.5 advantage in stamina and speed) could blitz back in and finish her in one blow. kruemelmonsteryn0.gif

And yet Sakura does not even need to rely on her Taijutsu alone to win. Did you somehow forget about her gas bombs? If Hinata were to even come within range of her, Sakura could simply stay one step ahead and toss them. Given Sakura's higher speed stats, how exactly would Hinata be fast enough to react to that?

Edited by Baguette, 10 April 2013 - 05:59 AM.


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Posted 10 April 2013 - 05:13 AM

peolpe have to remember that sakura obliterated 2 of sasori's fav puppets plus sasori himself with just a single punch. XD ....her punches are mega deadly, she one hit ko'd a gaint pain summon....plus a zetsu clone~ for bonus.

I'd rather be hit by a hyuuga than sakura. (her punches are death.)

now sakura is smarter AND faster than hinata, that to me gives her the win.

Edited by merryGOflava, 10 April 2013 - 05:14 AM.

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