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[rikakim94]

Thanks Rika! Glad you like it! I didn't want to give her tooooo much length with her hair. I think a little past shoulder length works for her, and instead of going to Tsunade copy route with her hair, I think this would work well for her to follow go the route of her father. It fits her last name also.

For some reason when sakura get older i imagine her getting hair curled up and then putting it on a ponytail. I even imagine the naruto world changing into a more of 1920s setting.

[StriderC]

Naruto won because of Kyubi chakra and surprise attack, so I always put sakura in disadvantage if sakura one on one with Hinata in tai jutsu area. Sure sakura can one hit ko Hinata if she can land clean hit and this is where Hinata need kaiten to repel incoming attack.

Then again I don't include poison attack.

You have to tally up Sakura's capabilities, and use what we've seen.

She's obviously intellectual, and analytical. She's able to read enemy movements after some observation. She knows the byakugan of course so she'll likely base her attacks/movements around this knowledge. Couple this with items. Sleeping bombs, kunai, poison, explosive tags. She then her her superhuman strength, and she's no slouch when it comes to taijutsu either. I'd say Hinata would definitely be pushed, and I think Sakura would come out victorious.

1. She's tricky. She's shown this in two different battles she has had before.
2. She's a powerhouse.
3. Stamina. She's shown to be quite durable. She took an explosive tag at point blank range and was still able to fight. She also was cut numerous times in battle and was still able to continue battling. This leads to.
4. Medical nin. She can heal herself in battle.
5. Items. LOL
6. Intellectual. She's no dumbass.

[redragon88]

Naruto won because of Kyubi chakra and surprise attack, so I always put sakura in disadvantage if sakura one on one with Hinata in tai jutsu area. Sure sakura can one hit ko Hinata if she can land clean hit and this is where Hinata need kaiten to repel incoming attack.

Then again I don't include poison attack.

It's not like Naruto used the Kyuubi chakra to punch out the kaiten, what it did was to give Naruto more speed in order to strike before Neji had the necessary time to react in order to use kaiten.

The only thing Sakura needs to do is to attack Hinata before she's able to react in order to use her kaiten. It's all on the timing. I believe Sakura has the necessary skill to to make that timing. Also, don't forget that one of her specialties is to analyze the movement of opponents in order to predict attack patterns. If Sakura can notice that Hinata is about to use kaiten she'll immediately back off from attacking.

She can hit the ground to mess up the balance for Hinata doing kaiten.

And that too.

Edited by redragon88, 10 April 2013 - 02:10 AM.

[StriderC]

Bolded: Does she, now? Does she posses Tsunade's ability to summon Katsuya? Does she posses Tsunade's ability to jumble an opponent's nervous system? Even Sakura's strength is solely derived from her Chakra Enhanced strikes, which imitates strength through the gathering of chakra onto a concentrated point along one's body, and releases it at the point of impact. Tsunade not only has CES, but also possesess true superhuman strength, as displayed when she lifted Gamabunta's sword during the Sannin fight. Moving on...

The problem being that for every situation that Hinata needed saving, say against the group of disguised White Zetsus after having expending her energy in battle, Sakura has an equivalent damsel in distress scene (i.e. her being tricked by the disguised White Zetsus despite having been the one to uncover their plot in the first place. As one can see, her weakness of emotions applies not only to Sasuke, but other situations such as this). And in majority of other instances in which Hinata was defeated, she had gone up against someone quite obviously out of her league (i.e. Neji, Pein, etc.) Sakura, for all of her abilities and supposed dodging capabilities, is somehow outdone by regular shinobi (even when it's three against two in her distinct advantage):

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Wow. So you're using ONE kick to Sakura as proof of what exactly? The kick didn't look like it did much. She looked as though she could still fight afterwards. The fight didn't last long at all so I don't even know how this can be used against her. If anything, it once again shows she's durable. And then you deem this guys as regular? What was Neji? Throw him in the regular category as well then I suppose because he doesn't outrank them.

Also, Sakura may not be as strong as Tsunade, but shes strong enough to throw chuck boulders off of her comrade. So her physical strength without chakra enhancement is still impressive.

[StriderC]

I don't actually recall Hinata possessing kaiten.

She doesn't.

[TouKen4Life3g]

Honestly, the part that makes Naruto (series) cool is the fact the battle at times doesn't truly lies on who is stronger, rather how to play the cards right. To me, Sakura can win because sure she has limited skills, but the fact she is smart and think carefully before action, she can win. Last time we saw Hinata fights, it just seems willpower will be the only thing to hold her until she is ultimately defeated. And yes, pretty much, one punch from Sakura can make an opponent's health to orange or red bar instantly, as long as the opponent is not "tank", which is why Sasori was perfect for her without making the battle very short. I mean she took out a summon. How does that not impress you? She's no flash, but she sure has substance.

[rocci]

She can hit the ground to mess up the balance for Hinata doing kaiten.

then what about gentle fist, if sakura hit by it in her chakra point especially the hand, than she can not perform any jutsu.

You have to tally up Sakura's capabilities, and use what we've seen.

She's obviously intellectual, and analytical. She's able to read enemy movements after some observation. She knows the byakugan of course so she'll likely base her attacks/movements around this knowledge. Couple this with items. Sleeping bombs, kunai, poison, explosive tags. She then her her superhuman strength, and she's no slouch when it comes to taijutsu either. I'd say Hinata would definitely be pushed, and I think Sakura would come out victorious.

1. She's tricky. She's shown this in two different battles she has had before.
2. She's a powerhouse.
3. Stamina. She's shown to be quite durable. She took an explosive tag at point blank range and was still able to fight. She also was cut numerous times in battle and was still able to continue battling. This leads to.
4. Medical nin. She can heal herself in battle.
5. Items. LOL
6. Intellectual. She's no dumbass.

that's why i said sakura will lose if she fight one on one in close combat again hyuga.

and i don't include poison attack.

It's not like Naruto used the Kyuubi chakra to punch out the kaiten, what it did was to give Naruto more speed in order to strike before Neji had the necessary time to react in order to use kaiten.

The only thing Sakura needs to do is to attack Hinata before she's able to react in order to use her kaiten. It's all on the timing. I believe Sakura has the necessary skill to to make that timing. Also, don't forget that one of her specialties is to analyze the movement of opponents in order to predict attack patterns. If Sakura can notice that Hinata is about to use kaiten she'll immediately back off from attacking.


And that too.

hmm, i like your idea.

I don't actually recall Hinata possessing kaiten.

i said IF she has kaiten she will definetly won in my book(assuming with this current sakura skill).

and still not include poison attack

Edited by rocci, 10 April 2013 - 02:26 AM.

[StriderC]

then what about gentle fist, if sakura hit by it in her chakra point especially the hand, than she can not perform any jutsu.



that's why i said sakura will lose if she fight one on one in close combat again hyuga.

and i don't include poison attack.


hmm, i like your idea.




i said IF she has kaiten she will definetly won in my book(assuming with this current sakura skill).

and still not include poison attack

I personally don't think she'd lose.

[StriderC]

The point of the panels was to bring into question where her dodging capabilities that had been hyped up since Part 2 went. Also keep in mind that she not only had Naruto, but Sai fighting on her side as well. What was Neji in Part 1? The genius of the Hyuuga clan who was considered the most skilled among the Konoha genin. Nobody even expected Hinata to stand a chance against Neji (Kiba even urged her to forfeit the match), and yet Hinata, through inspiration from Naruto, held her own against Neji longer than anyone expected. For comparison, Sakura, also with motivation from Naruto, managed to tie with Ino...

Bolded: Panels?

In the fight with Sasori. Chiyo had a boulder on her arm, and she threw it off. I'll try to find it.

[redragon88]

I don't actually recall Hinata possessing kaiten.

It was just speculation that Hinata could win against Sakura if she had kaiten. Then again you say that Hinata could win as she is now.

Are you really going to dismiss Sakura's dodging capabilities based on one kick? That's all it was, one simple kick. I don't really think Kishi thought much about it. He probably just wanted them to have a fast confrontation in order to establish the animosity.

Wouldn't it be a better idea to judge Sakura based on her actual serious fights (Sasori) instead of a minor squabble (Omoi).

[rocci]

The point of the panels was to bring into question where her dodging capabilities that had been hyped up since Part 2 went. Also keep in mind that she not only had Naruto, but Sai fighting on her side as well. What was Neji in Part 1? The genius of the Hyuuga clan who was considered the most skilled among the Konoha genin. Nobody even expected Hinata to stand a chance against Neji (Kiba even urged her to forfeit the match), and yet Hinata, through inspiration from Naruto, held her own against Neji longer than anyone expected. For comparison, Sakura, also with motivation from Naruto, managed to tie with Ino...

Bolded: Panels?

hinata is a hyuga who train with hyuga father while know they style and has byakugan. and like you said she can hold her own because naruto cheer.

while sakura at that moment fight with yamanaka clan who can use mind possesion again text book ninja who didn't has special abilities or clan trait.^^

[merryGOflava]

The problem being that for every situation that Hinata needed saving, say against the group of disguised White Zetsus after having expending her energy in battle, Sakura has an equivalent damsel in distress scene (i.e. her being tricked by the disguised White Zetsus despite having been the one to uncover their plot in the first place. As one can see, her weakness of emotions applies not only to Sasuke, but other situations such as this). And in majority of other instances in which Hinata was defeated, she had gone up against someone quite obviously out of her league (i.e. Neji, Pein, etc.) Sakura, for all of her abilities and supposed dodging capabilities, is somehow outdone by regular shinobi (even when it's three against two in her distinct advantage): [/color]

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okay! first of all that kick wasn't her fault

at around 0:38 you can clearly see Sai missed Omoi, who then quickly switched sides and kicked Sakura.

if Sai landed that hit on Omoi Sakura would have never been kicked in the first place.

Sakura was focusing on Karui at the time also. so if your gonna blame Sakura's lack of skill here then you also gotta blame Sai for missing his shot and also Naruto for being distracted and getting elbowed XDDD (and he fought Pain)

[StriderC]

The point of the panels was to bring into question where her dodging capabilities that had been hyped up since Part 2 went. Also keep in mind that she not only had Naruto, but Sai fighting on her side as well. What was Neji in Part 1? The genius of the Hyuuga clan who was considered the most skilled among the Konoha genin. Nobody even expected Hinata to stand a chance against Neji (Kiba even urged her to forfeit the match), and yet Hinata, through inspiration from Naruto, held her own against Neji longer than anyone expected. For comparison, Sakura, also with motivation from Naruto, managed to tie with Ino...

Bolded: Panels?

Sakura had NOTHING in Part 1. She had basic jutsu, with no special skills. What the hell did you expect her to do against enemies in Part 1? She stood her ground against Sound Nin, and that was something for her. She tied with her rival, and was able to break her jutsu. Skip to Part 2, and she's doing amazingly well against an S ranked ninja.

Her dodging skills are still top notch. She doesn't immediately read enemies movements. She doesn't possess the byakugan. She has to do it over time. Hence her keeping her enemies at bay. She went full charge into the enemy, and got kicked. I don't even count that as a huge fight because nothing really happened...

[Shadow1275]

Bolded: Does she, now? Does she posses Tsunade's ability to summon Katsuya? Does she posses Tsunade's ability to jumble an opponent's nervous system? Even Sakura's strength is solely derived from her Chakra Enhanced strikes, which imitates strength through the gathering of chakra onto a concentrated point along one's body, and releases it at the point of impact. Tsunade not only has CES, but also possesess true superhuman strength, as displayed when she lifted Gamabunta's sword during the Sannin fight. Moving on...

The problem being that for every situation that Hinata needed saving, say against the group of disguised White Zetsus after having expending her energy in battle, Sakura has an equivalent damsel in distress scene (i.e. her being tricked by the disguised White Zetsus despite having been the one to uncover their plot in the first place. As one can see, her weakness of emotions applies not only to Sasuke, but other situations such as this). And in majority of other instances in which Hinata was defeated, she had gone up against someone quite obviously out of her league (i.e. Neji, Pein, etc.) Sakura, for all of her abilities and supposed dodging capabilities, is somehow outdone by regular shinobi (even when it's three against two in her distinct advantage):

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Look at my post, I Said that she did not possess Katsuyu. However, I said that despite the fact that we do not know whether she has signed the contract or not.

As for her and Tsunade's strength, its hard to see but if you compound this with narutopedia and the pages after, Sakura lifts a giant boulder and chucks it at Sasori http://www.onemanga....o_manga/270/18/

Not too mention the boulder that was much much Bigger which she had to smash into pieces in order to enter the cave to fight Sasori I doubt she would have trouble with Gamabunta's sword

As for the Zetsu's toughness we've been over this. One Zetsu can survive a direct kill shot from Neji who is clearly stronger then Hinata.

As for when she and Shizune were saved by Naruto, Naruto flattened them before we saw them engage Sakura. When it comes to Zetsu, we have seen how Sakura fairs against them. You can't say that she was outdone because she has yet to be beaten by a Zetsu. As for weak besides Sasuke, that depends on your definition of weak. Personally, I respect a person who decides to skip a protocol and risk an ambush to save a pleading wife's husband.

It is true that Hinata has fought overpowered opponents, the problem is that she has been annihilated without putting up a fight. Hinata vs. Neji she was cut down and that should have been closer at least. Pain vs. Hinata she was cut down. Kakashi was able to discover his enemy's abilities and he fought two of the Pain's.

The point is that though she has fought powerful enemies, she has not been able to even survive for more then a second. When she has not been cut down, Someone has had to either save her, or sacrifice their lives.

Sakura fought and defeated Sasori, a powerful member of the Akatski who all had super-human abilities and who had control of a Kage and could use his secret jutsu.

Note that Hinata also has the Byakougan [probs misspelled that] which has little to no blind spots which should give her a huge advantage in battle.

If you answer this, you'll have to wait for till tomorrow for my reply. Got an early day tomorrow so I got to hit the sack.

Edited by Shadow1275, 10 April 2013 - 03:08 AM.

[rocci]

It was just speculation that Hinata could win against Sakura if she had kaiten. Then again you say that Hinata could win as she is now.

Are you really going to dismiss Sakura's dodging capabilities based on one kick? That's all it was, one simple kick. I don't really think Kishi thought much about it. He probably just wanted them to have a fast confrontation in order to establish the animosity.

Wouldn't it be a better idea to judge Sakura based on her actual serious fights (Sasori) instead of a minor squabble (Omoi).

i think her evasion come from her ability to analys the attack pattern from her opponet if she has enough time.

that's why the longer you fight sakura the HARDER you can land a hit on her.

[FoolishYoungling]

If Sakura learns the Byakugou she would be 30 times stronger than Hinata. As for now, Hinata may be a little stronger because of her speed (then again, didn't Sakura jump past hundreds of puppets?).

Even if Hinata was stronger would that make her better? No, not at all. Sakura is one of the greatest medical ninjas in the world. She will become better than Tsunade I'm sure, so she will be the best ever. Plus, I agree with MistFlower. Kishimoto had no reason to make Tsunade make those 4 rules and then have her be split in two if not to have Sakura show up and get her abilities. It may be a little a-pull, but honestly, what big power-up hasn't been an a-pull in this series yet?

Edited by FoolishYoungling , 10 April 2013 - 02:49 AM.

[rocci]

If Sakura learns the Byakugou she would be 30 times stronger than Hinata. As for now, Hinata may be a little stronger. Does that make her better? No, not at all. Sakura is one of the greatest medical ninjas in the world. She will become better than Tsunade I'm sure, so she will be the best ever. Plus, I agree with MistFlower. Kishimoto had no reason to make Tsunade make those 4 rules and then have her be split in two if not to have Sakura show up and get her abilities. It may be a little a-pull, but honestly, what big power-up hasn't been an a-pull in this series yet?

if she can use genjutsu(not only resist and repel it) than she will be jounin level(part one kakashi).
if she can use elemental ninjutsu she will become part two kakashi level.

and IF she can use byakugo or slug sage jutsu she will be on kage level or kabuto combat level.

and i am not kidding.

edit : basically i want to said this, sakura is a character who has potency to become the strongest kunoichi ever.
and that's why naruto uzumaki atract to her, after all uzumaki jinchuruki really know who is the strongest pairing in their generation

Edited by rocci, 10 April 2013 - 02:53 AM.

[Sakura_Blossom]

If it's a battle between Sakura and Hinata being discussed, Sakura would win simply because it is part of the main cast No. This is not an argument, but it could be.

[rocci]

Are we using the studio depicted anime as evidence in a manga argument?



If she knows she has to do it over time, then why did she go full charge into the enemy? It doesn't speak much for her apparent intelligence in battle. And I wouldn't discount it as a fight just because of the context, especially considering how it's the closest thing the heroine of the series has had to a real fight ever since Sasori.



You are correct about mentioning Katsuya in your post, my apologies. My points about Tsunade's list of other techniques, however, still stand.

The panels show her pushing the boulder off of Chiyo, not picking it up and throwing it at Sasori. If we are to qualify that as superhuman strength, given Sakura strength stats of 3, then apparently Kakashi is even stronger physically, given his stats of 3.5.
And once again, Chakra enhance strength involves concentrating chakra on one point along the user's body, then releasing it on the point of impact. It is an imitation of strength, whereas Tsunade physically picking up the sword (rather than punching it) is a display of true superhuman strength.

Once again, regarding Sakura and the Zetsus, she let her emotions get the better of her, and she let her guard down despite being the one to uncover firsthand the Zetsus' method of attack. That was my original point.

Hinata annihilated against Neji without putting up a fight? I suggest you reread those chapters. She defied everyone's expectations, despite her utter lack of battle prowess in comparison to the heralded Neji.

Sakura defeated Sasori? Correction. Sasori should have won that fight, as Chiyo herself stated. Sasori chose to let himself die in his "parents'" embrace.



Keywords being IF. Sakura has yet to show any signs of progressing in any of those areas.




Trying to debate multiple people at one time is quite tiring, as I am coming to realize....

bolded : to give naruto dramatic enterance.

yup IF only kishi do that. just like what if naruto can use uzumaki sealing jutsu and just like if hinata can perform kaiten.

and try to endure it.

[TouKen4Life3g]

While true about Sasori's final moment in that moment, the fact Sakura lasted this long is a huge credit you have to give her. Just bare with me here when I explain this. In wrestling, as you may know it's scripted, but it's entertaining. That said say you have a wrestler fighting a "monster" and that wrestler tried to beat him down. If the whole match lasted for more than 15 minutes, you basically make that wrestler a strong person who is not giving up, whether he wins or lose. The point is that the person is standing for so long is impressive. Sakura did a great job and you can't accept that, well to be honest, that's unfair. She played smart and she was prepared for the worst, and if she wasn't, she will come out and do something whether it's risky or not.

I guess that's why Hinata is not being seen as great or can't give the right impression because she fought only twice in terms of 1v1 or a tag team. Pain lasted like 5 seconds tops. Neji vs Hinata was the longest match she ever had. But you know what, that's not her character. Her character is about being inspired by a guy who was once seen like a weakling, but still stand strong because of the drive of never giving up. That's why Naruto is always there to give like a report card to her. I don't remember if this is anime exclusive, but before Hinata was ko from Neji, she asked Naruto if she was strong, so it's all about her improving herself. 559 was like the answer for her and 615 was a response back to Naruto with extras (friends willing to sacrifice) because Neji did the same. Let's not argue about 615. My point is that the demonstration of the character(s) are lacking but not all are meant to be strong or weak, it's just the way the character function for them.