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[Qia]

Where the bench scene played a scene on her love for Sasuke?
IF the bench scene was so important should not be here?

The only thing that stoked the fire was the fact they belonged to the same team.

The bench scene wouldn't be there, as Don-Kun has said, because then NS would practically be canon. Why? Because Sasuke had never acknowledged her the way she thought he had. It was Naruto all along. Just think about: If Kishi had shown the scene was of importance, then the most obvious thing to happen would be Sakura finding out that it wasn't like she always thought.

Ninja'd xD

Edited by Qia, 09 April 2013 - 11:41 PM.

[Sakamaki Izayoi]

The bench scene wouldn't be there, as Don-Kun has said, because then NS would practically be canon. Why? Because Sasuke had never acknowledged her the way she thought he had. It was Naruto all along. Just think about: If Kishi had shown the scene was of importace, then the most obvious thing to happen would be Sakura finding out that it wasn't like she always thought.

"Thank you" is not acknowledgment?
Naruto also did almost the same "thank you" to hinata is also a development.
If the bench scene had importance it should be already bought up, also it's laughable because all the SS development took less than one page.

[Shadow1275]

Where the bench scene played a scene on her love for Sasuke?
IF the bench scene was so important should not be here?

The only thing that stoked the fire was the fact they belonged to the same team.

Sakura does not know that Naruto masqueraded as Sasuke, Sasuke [Naruto] said exactly what had gone through her head at the time. As long as she thinks it was Sasuke then she will associate those words with Sasuke. If you consider the fact that Sakura parallels Kushina, Kushina fell for the man who complemented her hair. Though it was Naruto who complemented Sakura's self-hated forehead, she thinks it was Sasuke.

[TouKen4Life3g]

I did point that out before but the thought was easily brush of by others, I strongly believe that there is some attachment to that scene and the reason why Kishi didn't use it when she was about to kill Sasuke was because of the fact that it will Automatically make NS the canon pairing by default the moment she find out it was always Naruto who always knew her well.

That may be true as well. Much like the movie trying not to justified that NS is canon or at least the one he's aiming for, but just know the fact they have to get out as they both learned something. My problem is that her love is really what we know already, so in a way, she really do have a reason to move on. The only question is will she truly do so. That's the last piece of adventure from her in romance that we are witnessing as time goes on.

[Qia]

"Thank you" is not acknowledgment?
Naruto also did almost the same "thank you" to hinata is also a development.
If the bench scene had importance it should be already bought up, also it's laughable because all the SS development took less than one page.

Sure it is. But is it the acknowledgement Sakura's looking for? She's interested in Sasuke romantically as well, and if she realizes that he never saw her that way, then that thank you is mainly him acknowledging that she, along with Naruto, helped to fill his lonely existence at the time, or something along that line.

Edited by Qia, 09 April 2013 - 11:43 PM.

[Sakamaki Izayoi]

Sure it is. But is it the acknowledgement Sakura's looking for? She's interested in Sasuke romantically as well, and if she realizes that he never saw her that way, then that thank you is mainly him acknowledging that she, along with Naruto, helped to fill his lonely existence or something along that line.

It's not proved on the same page, his cold look at her and moreover.
If she thought he looked to her on a different view[bench scene] would not the panel of Sasuke looking coldly be changed to the Sasuke of the bench scene?

Her love is ridiculous enough to a point that it cant be worse.

Half of the page pratically shows the entire SS development thoughout the entire manga.
Also Sakura fell in love with Sasuke not because of the forehead thing the page itself is self explanatory.

Edited by Dαrkrєrsŧ, 09 April 2013 - 11:48 PM.

[redragon88]

Speaking of generalizing....
And no, Sakura's character has been damaged enough as it is because of her ridiculous love for Sasuke. What logical reason would there be in supporting the pairing?

Do you believe it's still possible to redeem Sakura's character? How would you idealize such an event?

Edited by redragon88, 09 April 2013 - 11:50 PM.

[TouKen4Life3g]

"Thank you" is not acknowledgment?
Naruto also did almost the same "thank you" to hinata is also a development.
If the bench scene had importance it should be already bought up, also it's laughable because all the SS development took less than one page.

That's my point. Look at my previous post.

Sure it is. But is it the acknowledgement Sakura's looking for? She's interested in Sasuke romantically as well, and if she realizes that he never saw her that way, then that thank you is mainly him acknowledging that she, along with Naruto, helped to fill his lonely existence at the time, or something along that line.

I'm aware that she does want acknowledgment from him in a different sense, but she is a girl who doesn't know what to do, and quite honestly, knowing she's 16 and all, it's understandable. Yes, the guy is cold and evil, whatever, but it's like she needs to let things go at certain point because not everything is the way we would hope to be. That and maybe, she's only looking at the wrong person. Girls do feel that they can't find true love until someone steps in, but that guy must show the hint of romance interest to get the idea that perhaps he is the one. Yes, Sakura knows he loves her, but he must step in and do something that tells her so. It's like "Yeah, you love me. Why?" If the guy can answer the question in the way that stood out, she can give in. It can't be cliche "you're smart. You're beautiful. Blah blah blah." She want to see you are truly passion about her, really mean it, and no one will take your heart away. That's why I want Naruto to drop a hint of a great guy, mainly that points to her.

The promise of lifetime made her change completely to the point she admitted she's wrong and they became best friends. Now, if Naruto does the same (not exact of course), there's a great chance she will fall for him.

[Shadow1275]

It's not proved on the same page, his cold look at her and moreover.
If she thought he looked to her on a different view[bench scene] would not the panel of Sasuke looking coldly be changed to the Sasuke of the bench scene?

Her love is ridiculous enough to a point that it cant be worse.

Half of the page pratically shows the entire SS development thoughout the entire manga.

Of course it doesn't make sense. This is Sakura's biggest character flaw, her "feelings" for Sasuke which I don't think we can really call love anymore. However, part of her development is overcoming this, as evidenced by 540. Sakura is a strong physical character. She won against Sasori and beat down a Zetsu clone. However, emotionally she is fragile. She has feelings for a man who severed his bond with her. But this is part of her development as a character, getting over these feelings.

Edited by Shadow1275, 09 April 2013 - 11:55 PM.

[Qia]

It's not proved on the same page, his cold look at her and moreover.
If she thought he looked to her on a different view[bench scene] would not the panel of Sasuke looking coldly be changed to the Sasuke of the bench scene?

I'm afraid I don't understand the question . But if Sakura is shown thinking of the bench scene where he'd almost kissed her, it's the same thing here again where the moment will be proven significant and SS, as a romantic relationship, would be in huge trouble, because the only thing that's left is for her to get over him at that point. If you understand what I'm trying to say? It's basically the same reason why she hadn't thought about it when she was about to kill him.

Edited by Qia, 09 April 2013 - 11:55 PM.

[Sakamaki Izayoi]

That's my point. Look at my previous post.

It's not even foreshadowing and the bench scene did not played a reason for her to fall in love with Sasuke if the reaosn for you to think it could be foreshadowing, but Kushina already took that role.
So the argument that the bench scene stoke the fire up is invalid because what stoke up the fire was because they were teammate, it's on the same page also.
It shows the team 7, then the biggest part was "thank you..."

Still Ino holds her love for Sasuke with way less "reasons".

Edited by Dαrkrєrsŧ, 10 April 2013 - 12:00 AM.

[Don-kun]

Where the bench scene played a scene on her love for Sasuke?
IF the bench scene was so important should not be here?

The only thing that stoked the fire was the fact they belonged to the same team.

It seems that I need to step up my game whenever I'm trying to prove you something.

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As we can see both panels shows that Sakura remember that scene and the first one show that she was specifically asking Sasuke about the moment, she said loneliness then it was fallow by a flashback of his sudden change since in her mind if she didn't said anything about not having parents Sasuke will of never lash at her that way, after all according to Sakura he was looking deep in her soul and they almost kiss ''sadly for her it was Naruto and not Sasuke''

And about why Kishi didn't show that in her flashback before she attempted on Sasuke's life? The answer is simple, there would be no tension between NS and SS if Kishi showed the readers that the only reason why Sakura still refuse to let go of Sasuke was because of that scene, if the murder attempt killed the pairing according to us, then that scene would of giving it the final blow, by now every readers would acknowledge that SS is based on a lie and there would be no excuse to keep believing on this pairing.
With out that scene and 540 people can still question what will be Kishi's decision in regards of the final pairing.



@Crimson
If she he said so then fine, the only reason I let you know was because it was mention a moment ago by one of our MOD.

So you never supported NS oh well I though you did by reading that post since I never heard someone who supports NH speak that way is usually the ones who like NH but also have a soft spot for NS.

Edited by Don-kun, 10 April 2013 - 12:20 AM.

[Shadow1275]

It seems that I need to step up my game whenever I'm trying to prove you something.

181-6 --Click here to view--

183-13 --Click here to view--

As we can see both panels shows that Sakura remember that scene and the first one show that she was specifically asking Sasuke about the moment, she said loneliness then it was fallow by a flashback of his sudden change since in her mind if she didn't said anything about not having parents Sasuke will of never lash at her that way, after all according to Sakura he was looking deep in her soul and they almost kiss ''sadly for her it was Naruto and not Sasuke''

And about why Kishi didn't show that in her flashback before she attempted on Sasuke's life? The answer is simple, there would be no tension between NS and SS if Kishi showed the readers that the only reason why Sakura still refuse to let go of Sasuke was because of that scene, if the murder attempt killed the pairing according to us, then that scene would of giving it the final blow, by every readers would know that SS is based of a lie and there is no excuse to keep believing on this pairing.
With out that scene and 540 people can still question what will be Kishi's decision in regards of the final pairing.

Nice Don-Kun, you beat me to the punch

Edited by Shadow1275, 10 April 2013 - 12:10 AM.

[Qia]

This may be nothing, but what's really interesting about that first panel is the way Sakura describes how Sasuke was. As if the Sasuke on the bench and the one that had called her annoying were the same, except "he'd gotten mad at her".Hmm

[Sakamaki Izayoi]

It seems that I need to step up my game whenever I'm trying to prove you something.

181-6 --Click here to view--

183-13 --Click here to view--

As we can see both panels shows that Sakura remember that scene and the first one show that she was specifically asking Sasuke about the moment, she said loneliness then it was fallow by a flashback of his sudden change since in her mind if she didn't said anything about not having parents Sasuke will of never lash at her that way, after all according to Sakura he was looking deep in her soul and they almost kiss ''sadly for her it was Naruto and not Sasuke''

And about why Kishi didn't show that in her flashback before she attempted on Sasuke's life? The answer is simple, there would be no tension between NS and SS if Kishi showed the readers that the only reason why Sakura still refuse to let go of Sasuke was because of that scene, if the murder attempt killed the pairing according to us, then that scene would of giving it the final blow, by now every readers would acknowledge that SS is based on a lie and there would be no excuse to keep believing on this pairing.
With out that scene and 540 people can still question what will be Kishi's decision in regards of the final pairing.

What?
I think you dont get what i say if the part where she almost kissed the fake Sasuke was a reason for her to love Sasuke should had been bought up,if the forehead was also a reason for her to love Sasuke should had been bought up, the scenes were the scene should had been bought up the panel did not showed up, the parts that bought up was the serious parts, the one where she said Naruto was annoying and Sasuke's saying that she was annoying those parts played an important role while the forehead thing not.

Proof : "The first time that you talked to me", the part that bought up is the part when she talked with the real Sasuke, and then the part when she thought about thinking that Naruto was annoying the part that bought up was the fake Sasuke.

Also i feel that she cried there because she realized that she said he was annoying to him and Naruto well...
She realized she was well you know of with Naruto.
That part was sad, she was an ass to Naruto and even tried to leave him behind when he was the passed thought the depths of hell to save her, this is the reason why the whole part 2 is Sakura trying to redeem herself to Naruto, is her trying to be strong for Naruto, trying to support him and wanting to return everthing that Naruto did to her.
This also explain why she called Naruto a fool for loving someome like her.

Edited by Dαrkrєrsŧ, 10 April 2013 - 12:30 AM.

[Sojobo]

I like SasuKarin but prefer SasuSaku. I basically think those too pairings are very similar and don't understand those claims that they are not. I would probably like SasuKarin but I don't want it to happen at the expense of SS.

It depends on what you mean by "very similar"?

Karin and Sakura do have have those "fangirl" attitude in front of Sasuke. But, they didn't fall in love for the same reasons.
Karin's love is more pure, she didn't love him because of his strenght, or sex appeal. She fell in love because of his smile, because he was also the one who saved her.
Sakura ? She fell in love because he's strong and good looking. Today I don't understand it yet how she can be so madly in love with Sasuke, when Kishi made look the reasons of her love for him like kitten. Karin fell in love for a better, more serious matter.

Wanting the smile of the one you love, the only wish before dying by his hands... I think that Karin proved that her love for Sasuke was stronger. She was hurted, physically and mentaly by Sasuke, while Sakura never had her experience.




Other differences between the two pairings?
SasuKarin is the union between an Uzumaki and an Uchiha, an union between two clans who never meant be together.
Senju lineage with Uchiha, thing that Rikudou Sennin always wanted for the futur, an union who would bring peace like Madara said after reading the Uchiha's message in the temple.
Their child would be a symbol of piece. Isn't this a strong symbol/message to the readers ? The teh people in Naruto, who never believed in peace, even after so many tries?
We can't say that about SasuSaku, who don't have something "special". Yeah, SasuSaku fans will be happy because their pairing became canon. But... what's the message ? I don't see anyone...

Than you have the most important thing that happened between Sasuke and Karin in the past, a thing that we don't know yet, but that has his importance (why waiting so long to reveal if it's not?).
I mean, how would you feel as a guy, when the cells of the girl who loves you are in your body ? How would you feel when your futur kid would have those cells with another woman ?
This girl makes one with you at the first time she gave you her cells.
Danzou and Yamato lived all their life with Hashirama's cells. And their kids would probably been affected by those cells.

That's why I love SasuKarin so much, maybe I will love it even more than NaruSaku in the futur (if it become canon), who was my first preference, because of its developpement/story.
There is really nothing interesting in SasuSaku.
We just have to wait that Naruto make it canon? Will hurt Sakura's character a lot in my opinion.

While Karin will always be close to him when they will see each other again. We can even think that Karin's intention will not be the same anymore. In place of following Sasuke in his new ambitions, she will try to get his smile with her own strenght again. She will try to save him with her own manner.
Even if Naruto will be the one who will save Sasuke, I think that Karin will have a crucial role after him.


Karin already has been close to death, I don't think she will die in the futur. Where can you see Karin's futur other than Konoha ? Close to Sasuke (her love) and Naruto (her only cousin/real family) ?
Some SasuSaku were talking about Karin/Suigetsu pairing, but come on, let's make sense...

[Branden]

so many walls of text lately....

[redragon88]

It's difficult to say. Her development has been neglected for so long that even if she were to finally start living up to her name as the series' heroine, it would not undo all the years she spent as slightly more than pairing fodder.
But if Kishi can somehow have Sakura do the following this late into the series without relying on asspulls, then I might start liking her as much as I did during the beginning of Part 2:

-Get over her love for Sasuke
-Actually do something significant to help Naruto instead of lamenting over the fact that she can never do anything to help him
-Finally surpass Tsunade in skill, as most people initially expected her to
-Start actively affecting the story like a main character should (which doesn't seem very feasible at this point, given how she has no involvement in the Senju/Uchiha conflict, and how she has taken on a passive role in the Team 7 subplot)

I completely agree on the first 3 points. As for the last one, well wasn't it inevitable that the Team 7 plot was going to eventually become the Naruto vs Sasuke plot? I saw that coming ever since Sasuke left the village.

As for how Sakura can affect the story, I guess that could be related to her potentially doing something significant for Naruto. Sasuke isn't the only problem Naruto has to deal with so there's plenty to do still. At this point one can only hope.

[TouKen4Life3g]

It's not even foreshadowing and the bench scene did not played a reason for her to fall in love with Sasuke if the reaosn for you to think it could be foreshadowing, but Kushina already took that role.
So the argument that the bench scene stoke the fire up is invalid because what stoke up the fire was because they were teammate, it's on the same page also.
It shows the team 7, then the biggest part was "thank you..."

Still Ino holds her love for Sasuke with way less "reasons".

Wait, I never mention anything about bench scene. I'm only addressing the fact Sakura's love life is easily summed up in 1 page and nothing that tells us differently from anything that we already know. For example, before Karin's flashback or even Kage Summit Arc, we just think she's straight up fan girl. Like once she sees him back in the lair, bam, in love. Instead, we got a flashback way back in Chuunin Exam and makes me rethink of her. Granted, their last moment isn't good, but after her being an Uzumaki and the group coming together, I'll hold my judgment. That said Sakura doesn't offer new that makes us think, "Yeah, we should support her and Sasuke." Instead, due to bridal save, it's almost like telling us "Naruto is the real Prince Charming" as far as a little girl dream goes.

[Sakamaki Izayoi]

I'm curious as to your speculations over what Sakura might do to help Naruto significantly at this point. Simply saving his life by healing him would be rather predictable and fail to impress most readers.

Well i'll just express my opinion if she surpass Tsunade, Sakura also surpass Naruto for obvious reasons, Naruto only reached the level he's now because he's a jinchuriki and also it's an Uzumaki while Sakura has nothing.

The premisse of part 1 was the hard work > genius but Naruto turned out to be a genius also.

IF he made Sakura to surpass tsunade the value of part 1 is redeemed.

Edited by Dαrkrєrsŧ, 10 April 2013 - 12:43 AM.