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[Dkey]

There are plenty of ways to create more drama without resorting to such matters. In fact, we the fandom create most of the drama for ourselves. Look at the supposed "Sakura blushing" panel. That alone shows we make the drama more than Kishi does.

I hope Kishi doesn't try disturbing the lion's den with the love triangle. Especially with trying to remind people of Sakura's feelings for Sasuke. That is such a huge thing to do that could have such horrible outcomes. I can forsee many claiming "See? Even after chapter 632, Sakura is still the weak minded fool." Sakura is always hated by the some of the fans, I don't want to give them a good reason to.

The only way another pairing moment should occur is if you put Sakura in a point where she HAS to choose between Naruto or Sasuke once and for all. It really needs to happen and it really needs to be put to that test. So many times it was easy for Sakura to make a choice or do not have to answer the question, but eventually there has to be that moment.

If Kishi really did have even one panel; where she blushes over Sasuke, it will definitely cause more problem than it solves....all for the sake of one last drama? To be honest, we the fandom create enough drama with our own imagination. Kishi doesn't need to really do anything at this point and drama can occur.

 

615 proved that Kishi can give some big drama moments.

 

Imagine this moment coming where Sakura needs to choose between the both of them but the chapter ends with her flash backing with Sasuke. And then a 1 week break.

 

Drama from small things is created usually the day the chapter is launched but by the end of the day it mellows out a bit. But big drama moments.

 

And somewhere comes our biasness. We expect NS to become cannon and we see it as a part of the story but for the others it's one powder keg of drama. Look at what 631 did with the Kushina/Sakura parallel being confirmed. Everyone was bashed.

 

Regardless of big or small drama moments if Kishi keeps this moments to a minimum maybe the drama won't be that big.

[James S Cassidy]

 

615 proved that Kishi can give some big drama moments.

 

Imagine this moment coming where Sakura needs to choose between the both of them but the chapter ends with her flash backing with Sasuke. And then a 1 week break.

 

Drama from small things is created usually the day the chapter is launched but by the end of the day it mellows out a bit. But big drama moments.

 

And somewhere comes our biasness. We expect NS to become cannon and we see it as a part of the story but for the others it's one powder keg of drama. Look at what 631 did with the Kushina/Sakura parallel being confirmed. Everyone was bashed.

 

Regardless of big or small drama moments if Kishi keeps this moments to a minimum maybe the drama won't be that big.

That's a bad example with 615. The drama didn't die down til the chapter after, but during that 2 week hiatus, everything heated up so much that it got bad and even so, the NH fans didn't hate Naruto at the time. (Well, now they hate him, but still)

The biasness is the key on this one. I want it to be just because of the biased, not because Kishi is a bad writer. See what I mean? This is especially true with Sakura when you're trying to make people see her as this heroine. If you try ruining that just to try and reinforce a love triangle that we already know about, it will cause more problems than solves them.

He is doing well with Sakura right now and she is shown to be powerful. No need to break that streak by having her regress back to fangirling of any kind. And the fandoms are already screaming for blood. Forgot to add, and no you don't need to show she has gotten over Sasuke either. It is all about letting the audience think for themselves until you give them the answer you want to give. Which can be Kishi's style too.

It's like saying "Better to keep quiet and be thought of as a fool, then to open ones mouth and remove all doubt."

From a writing stand point, and if I was Kishimoto, I wouldn't do anything pairing related for a while. Either way, the fandoms are gonna be paranoid and jumping at conclusion, rather it be them mistaken and not me.

Edited by James S Cassidy, 31 May 2013 - 07:53 PM.

[HauntedCake]

That's a bad example with 615. The drama didn't die down til the chapter after, but during that 2 week hiatus, everything heated up so much that it got bad and even so, the NH fans didn't hate Naruto at the time. (Well, now they hate him, but still)

The biasness is the key on this one. I want it to be just because of the biased, not because Kishi is a bad writer. See what I mean? This is especially true with Sakura when you're trying to make people see her as this heroine. If you try ruining that just to try and reinforce a love triangle that we already know about, it will cause more problems than solves them.

He is doing well with Sakura right now and she is shown to be powerful. No need to break that streak by having her regress back to fangirling of any kind. And the fandoms are already screaming for blood. Forgot to add, and no you don't need to show she has gotten over Sasuke either. It is all about letting the audience think for themselves until you give them the answer you want to give. Which can be Kishi's style too.

It's like saying "Better to keep quiet and be thought of as a fool, then to open ones mouth and remove all doubt."

From a writing stand point, and if I was Kishimoto, I wouldn't do anything pairing related for a while. Either way, the fandoms are gonna be paranoid and jumping at conclusion, rather it be them mistaken and not me.

You're right, i pray to the gods he doesn't have Sakura revert at all to part 1 Sakura. It would render years of her development void and would be a big waste of time and faith in her character.

 

As i said in some of my most recent posts, she doesn't "love" Sasuke, rather she has lingering attraction/care as a teammate feelings.

[Akashi]

This whole fangirl!Sakura thing is getting old... 

[TouKen4Life3g]

Well I do like the conversation on Sasuke's double crossing people, but we shall wait for the future unfolds. I guess it's starting to feel this way due to Juugo's questionable thoughts on Sasuke, especially since Sasuke is keeping his poker face throughout the motivation moment with K9 being hyped to become Hokage. It's also strange that Sasuke has entered the main front of Juubi so easily, so yeah. I don't even know if Juugo is doing anything. I feel like Sasuke asked him for something while others are out for whatever reason. In fact, shouldn't Hiruzen tell everyone that Orochimaru is also going to help someone else rather than just say we got revived only? As if to say, "Well, we want to help as well Sasuke and others, but I don't even know what others are thinking. Oh well, so long we help our people." I mean Orochimaru is still in weak state or at least I think and he only going to war to see where is Sasuke going to. Not to mention his flashback with Sasuke is still a mystery. Anyway, I will just say wait for the moment comes or more hints start to come in.

 

I do feel like if we know the story, we would have a right idea of the story, without pondering ourselves to think if one is love or not, or one is always meant to be or not. Like right now, it truly seem like NH was only about enlightenment, nothing more, nothing less, thanks to the recent events. Granted Hinata loves Naruto, but that comes off as a bonus, much like many side characters that get this kind of character. That said it would seem like the second impression of the series will give us a better idea, whether we think it's better than you thought or worse. Someone in here started talking about how the series is actually well done, and to be honest, I probably agree with them as well. I mean sure I have to reread the manga to get the best of it, rather than keep thinking what's next in the future, because that's where I'm at. But if I know what's next, it may kill the joy of anticipation, but I would know the story makes sense or not.

 

You ever gone back to a movie or series and think to yourself, "Wow, it's better than I thought?" This could be that, and honestly, I wouldn't be surprised. I remember going back to old family movies that I once thought it was really good because well I was a kid and I had a blast. But now that I'm older, going back makes me think, "This movie is just incredible" because not only you're an older person with a smarter thoughts, but regardless that you know how the story works, you can see it's done very well due to how it flows. People often thinks that the first impression is the best impression because it makes you suck in their world the first time around while the second may not because you know the story already and how the plot works. However, your first impression could lead your thoughts outside when you least expected because you're enjoying it so much, you forgot to focus on certain parts. When you go back, you already know but this time you're seeing how it works itself.

 

This may be just me, but that's how I usually get the right impression. I know people thinks first impression is the best impression, but I always thought it's always to revisit once more before making the final conclusion. I often find myself looking back in time and see how much some of the series/movies are really masterpiece. Yes, strong word like masterpiece, but the point is that you will truly admire the work more when you get the bottom of it. The only one that seem to wreck your opinion is the community of internet, but it hasn't hurt me, I mean people are extremely conclusive to the point they don't truly think and this is not just for Naruto. Anyway, I most likely going to reread it to get a better judgment as well as let the ending happen before jumping final thoughts.

[Hiraishin]

Raw's out.

http://online.mangar...632-1-8924.html

Shizune talking about Sakura's Hakugou seal is on page 21. I can't see what the furigana is. It's too small. *squint*

[Akashi]

Raw's out.

http://online.mangar...632-1-8924.html

Shizune talking about Sakura's Hakugou seal is on page 21. I can't see what the furigana is. It's too small. *squint*

It says Byakugou.

Edited by Tauriel, 31 May 2013 - 08:36 PM.

[Hiraishin]

It says Byakugou.

Really? How can you read it?

[Akashi]

Really? How can you read it?

Good eyesight, lol? The first furigana is びゃ = bya.

[megi]

It is BYAKUGOU SEAL. Not a technique, it is a seal! 

 

In my reading of the chapter Kishi's trying to re-establish the triangle of Team 7 (love/unresolved feeling stuff is still a part of their dynamic) paralleled with the Sannin. Since part 1 it has always been Naruto vs Sasuke, with Sakura in the back unable to do much about it. When they fought seriously it has always been about Naruto and Sasuke's friendship. Of course Naruto wants to save Sasuke for Sakura as well but when they fight it is about themselves. In chapter 486, Naruto says that if they were to both fight against against each other, they both will die and the only person who can go up against Sasuke is himself. I truly believe this. They are now equal in strength and the strength of their feelings. It will be destructive on both sides no matter what. They won't let the other get a higher footing.

 

That is where Sakura comes in, the final piece of the triangle. Although I will say that Sakura has gone back and forth about this many times in the manga either to rely on Naruto to deal with Sasuke or to do it together. She tries actively to help Naruto and pursue Sasuke but she ends up "looking at their backs" each time. Now she doesn't. She has the power to stand by their sides and possibly the power to stop their destruction. She's not about to revert back to her old self now that she's grown this much.

 

I sort of see it like a bicycle with two wheels can't stand on it's own, it will always come crashing down. A tricycle doesn't have that problem. An uneven tricycle is pretty uncomfortable too.

 

Kishi is also establishing Sakura's pivotal role in the end fight with Naruto and Sasuke. It's definitely going to be important. Right now, the chapter entails that they are equal in this triangle (people can argue about the equality of their strengths). I actually like the interactions of the characters in this chapter, even Sasuke's. Yes I'm still really baffled by his turn in character and I'm looking forward to what is happening with him. 

 

As for Obito, Kakashi and Rin thing going on...I really hope it won't end up with Obito and Kakashi killing each other because that would be foreshadowing what might happen in the future with Sasuke and Naruto. I hope not, Kakashi is one of my favorites! 

[Nate River]

 

 

I think we need to remember 631 does not make 540 go away and it says very little about Sakura directly. The sum of what I see makes me think she is generally conflicted about Sasuke. I don't think what we saw here makes her reaction in 631 go away either. Because Kishimoto shows us very little in terms of her internal dialogue as it relates to any romantic feels (and feelings on Sasuke in general), it's hard for me to say the exactly what the conflict is. It could be on him generally, or romaitcally, or both. Either way, there has been no resolution, so we should expect interactions between the two and not all of them will make us jump for joy. There will be a resolution and I think it will be on screen, not just by implication (i.e. NS happens and by defalult others do not).

 

631 did not make NS cannon. We are not quiet there yet, and until we get a formal resolution, expect to see more of this. 

 

Also, people should not forget that, unless this is the last battle, these good feelings involving Team 7 will not last. Kishimoto has already telegraphed the direction this is headed with Madara/Hashirama. I think a similar rift will form between Naruto and Sasuke. The battle for Hokage isn't just going to be a naked power struggle. 

 

As for it's effect on 631, it's nil. For me 631 was significant because:

 

(1) it confirmed the existing parallel between Sakura and Kushina. NH fans had argued the Kushina-Hinata parallel and that torepedo's the argument, especially in light of them being borderline clones of each other (in terms of appearance, personality, and so on).  When read with Kushina's words, it's not hard to see where this is headed. It's always possible he fails to give meaning to those words and it's all one giant red herring, but that doesn't seem to be Kishimoto's style. 

 

(2) Despite 615, 573 and the confession, that he still likes Sakura and that he has shifted. In other words, 615 is more Hinata development than NarutoHinata development. People can make all the noise they want about this being a joke, except that there is no obvious motivation for cracking this joke if he's in love with someone else. He just felt like messing around because his thinks it's funny? He just wants to yank Sakura's chain in the middle of fight when he could just as easily say,"Nah, I like Hinata?" Why forgo that obvious opportunity to make that joke and then have Minato follow it up with his comments about Kushina. It's an argument that makes no sense in context. 

 

(3) And for it's worth, it's a classic Tsundere moment, and while she a mild version of that trope her romance life has tended to follow that trope. Kishimoto doesn't appear to be breaking new ground with this.

 

So really, what does the chapter say about Sakura's actual feelings? Really, nothing. It had tremendous predictive value because of themes, tropes, and previous events in the manga, and because does damage to the idea Naruto's feelings have changed, but it don't truly change the landscape as far as individual feelings went. So, I think it's fair to assmue she's probably still in her 540 state. Kishimoto's MO when it comes to this is that big time gaps in terms of chapter numbers (not "in manga: time) is in no way a signal of changing/diminishing feelings. 

 

How does her reaction suddenly change or elimate all that? It, by itself, doesn't tell very much that wasn't evident from 540. Is it a possible building block, sure. But like 615, but  untill he runs with it I wouldn't fret over it. 

 

So, it doesn't undo 631 and it's really nothing to get worked up over. Or at least, nothing new.  The biggest hurdle to SS has always been Sasuke. And it's still that.

 

 

I don't know how to fix the first quote section. Inferno's post is the single paragraph in the second quotations. The rest it me.

[Akashi]

@Nate gotta get used to the new posting/replying system. 
 

It doesn't want to make my text bold, arrgh! 

[Otaru]

This make me think that both Naru and Sasu will really "die" and Sakura will save Naru

[Sakamaki Izayoi]

Raw's out.

http://online.mangar...632-1-8924.html

Shizune talking about Sakura's Hakugou seal is on page 21. I can't see what the furigana is. It's too small. *squint*

Did i saw pairing hint on the poster?

[HauntedCake]

This make me think that both Naru and Sasu will really "die" and Sakura will save Naru

Wouldn't that suck? Sakura and Sasuke would be together in the afterlife... Naruto ultimatly looses

[Sakamaki Izayoi]

Wouldn't that suck? Sakura and Sasuke would be together in the afterlife... Naruto ultimatly looses

Why people keep predicting Naruto's death and Sasuke's it doesnt make sense, if Naruto is destined to prevail and become hokage wtf he has to die.

This only smell NH/SS hatedom towards Naruto's character, now that they see that NH wont happen they want to kill Naruto off.

Edited by Dαrkrєrsŧ, 31 May 2013 - 09:06 PM.

[HauntedCake]

Did i saw pairing hint on the poster?

where and what

[Hiraishin]

So it's Byakugou, then... I wonder why Mangapanda and Mangastream translated it as "Hyakugou." Weird.

Did i saw pairing hint on the poster?

What?

[Sakamaki Izayoi]

where and what

The put sasuke alone then shows a resume of Sasuke's journey, then on the next the other half of the post featuring Naruto and Sakura then the next is the reusme of NAruto's journey 

[HauntedCake]

The put sasuke alone then shows a resume of Sasuke's journey, then on the next the other half of the post featuring Naruto and Sakura then the next is the reusme of NAruto's journey