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[HalfStarStudios]

And this is why I stay away from Youtube videos that deal with pairings. Just think of it like this, if we're right then they will look stupid. REAL stupid. For saying a couple is canon way too quickly. And we can all laugh in the background.

Or they are right and they continue what they are doing and there's not a damn thing we can do about it. xD

[Sakamaki Izayoi]

And this is why I stay away from Youtube videos that deal with pairings. Just think of it like this, if we're right then they will look stupid. REAL stupid. For saying a couple is canon way too quickly. And we can all laugh in the background.

Or they are right and they continue what they are doing and there's not a damn thing we can do about it. xD

This

Edited by Dαrkrєrsŧ, 31 December 2012 - 09:16 PM.

[KnS]

@Slextrem, Qia

Thanks very much for the kind words. I appreciate it. But honest, it's okay. I didn't post about my family's concerns in order to gain sympathy or to derail the thread, but to make a simple point about perspective. Lots of people have issues in their lives that (should) trump shipping hysteria -- that's my point.

I really agree with the sentiment that fans tearing at each other is no fun, and isn't what fandom should be about -- even if we have different opinions and expectations of manga events.

It's going to be a long wait for #616, but I'm really looking forward to it. I still have a gut feeling that our faith will ultimately be justified.

For me, I'm most keen to get an answer to the following:

+ Why Kakashi killed Rin, and what was going on with Rin and the Mist.
+ If Obito will continue to try to crush Naruto's psyche, and if so, what form that will take.
+ If we'll get a specific reaction from Sakura, or if we'll see her move more to the center of the story.
+ If Bee will survive. (I know, I know, I killed him off in my fic, but I don't want him dead in the manga.)
+ What's going on with Karin.

I'm also very curious about the result of Sasuke's current pilgrimage with Orochimaru. I wish I could find out the details without having to suffer Sasuke himself, lol.

[Sakamaki Izayoi]

Srsly just thinking if we got a NS scene on the next chapters, then with the movie going out on April it could be the best NS year ever.

HAppy new year, the new year is about 5 hours for me currently 18:32 here.

Edited by Dαrkrєrsŧ, 31 December 2012 - 09:33 PM.

[PhenixElite]

Srsly just thinking if we got a NS scene on the next chapters, then with the movie going out on April it could be the best NS year ever.

HAppy new year, the new year is about 5 hours for me currently 18:32 here.

Happy new year! My time is 22:34.

[ICEmanJC]

Happy new year! My time is 22:34.

Happy New Year indeed! It's great to be alive!

[Branden]

just looked at the last couple pages.

Here's a word of advice, on the internet learn to just dismiss some things as "obvious troll is obvious"
That simple phrase actually settles alot of anger very easily. Acknowledge that a person is a troll and that they are trying to anger you then move on.


That said, I'm looking forward to the next chapter which may or may not actually have answers for us.

[Sakamaki Izayoi]

just looked at the last couple pages.

Here's a word of advice, on the internet learn to just dismiss some things as "obvious troll is obvious"
That simple phrase actually settles alot of anger very easily. Acknowledge that a person is a troll and that they are trying to anger you then move on.


That said, I'm looking forward to the next chapter which may or may not actually have answers for us.

what trolls want you to believe --Click here to view--

This image sums up what you said.

Well i'm leaving guys, happy new year to everyone, and i expect a very good year for everyone and the next year with full of NS goodies for us.

Edited by Dαrkrєrsŧ, 31 December 2012 - 10:18 PM.

[xxRomanceGirlxx]

God, the ignorance and intensity of this NaruHina fan ...! I can't even ...

What the hell. I feel debate-y. I'll give my rebuttals to his very failing arguments (LAP warning):

"Borderline?" Naruto makes a romantic move on Hinata, not played for laughs, and during the climax of an arc. This is blatantly mutual.

And maybe so many NaruSaku fans are jumping ship is because it's been sunk for two years now and are finally realizing it's been drowned in NaruHina awesomeness

Slextrem is 100% correct. It was borderline mutual. How does equate to a romantic gesture when it's very clear that he wasn't holding her hand just for lulz? He was giving her chakra. Remember? CHAKRA TRANSFER. Did you selectively read or something? Probably. It isn't blatant. Not at all. If anything, what is blatant that giving her chakra was a very sweet and grateful gesture of Naruto's. He was doing so because he was being nice. Not that he has romantic intentions behind it. I'd buy this maybe if he looked romantically into her eyes for a few minutes and smiled specially at Hinata. That didn't happen, did it?

This statement is loaded with hypocrisy. I love how Hinata's hand-holding with Naruto means "OMG, it's romantic! He loves Hinata now!" when Sakura hugged Naruto in the Pain Arc without a practical purpose, it's all "You guys are blind. It's utterly platonic. Sakura loves Sasuke, after all. Well, you know what I have to say to that? " You NaruHina fans are in denial. This is wholly platonic from Naruto. After all, Naruto loves Sakura."

The bolded. How early is it to be celebrating? One chapter, scream canon. Boy am I gonna die laughing when Kishimoto trolls your ass by Naruto reaffirming his feelings for Sakura. You clearly have no respect for the NaruSaku fandom so I in return have no respect for you.

No. The main focus of this chapter isn't NaruHina. The main focus of this chapter is the bond Naruto and Hinata have at present, as Hinata reminds Naruto that they share their Nindo, Hinata is the one that gets Naruto out of his funk, and it is Naruto that thanks Hinata for always being at his side. And the hand-holding has romantic connotations given it's a Japanese work ...

Oh wait.

Which could just as easily be Hinata character development. Easily. It was that vague. Hinata finally was the one to inspire Naruto and actually stood up to him. She was able to feel important. Hinata being the only one to get him out of his funk is biasness. While she was a big part of it, she wasn't the main person. Kurama remember? He fully restored his faith by reminding him of his parent's sacrifice. Hinata wasn't enough, Naruto still felt doubtful. Plus, he thanked her for helping him all this time through his despair hole in 615, not by his side his whole life in general. Stop inflating her importance in Naruto's heart. Just because Hinata was the one who helped him from giving up does not mean that she's the one who loves him more than anyone or that Naruto is more heavily effected by her than anyone else. It's ludicrous to claim that, especially given the context.

You're right. The hand-holding was totally romantic. I mean, it's not like Naruto's been in love with a fiery medical ninja from Chapter 3 and onewards.

Oh wait.

No we don't.

The one mention of Naruto's feelings towards Sakura, after Hinata's confession, is a flashback from Sai reflecting on an event that happened before Hinata's confession. That ends up being contradicted by Naruto himself when he calls BS on the failfession and refuses to accept the idea of Sakura not being in love with Sasuke, or trying to kill him. Even if Naruto does have a lingering attraction towards Sakura, he has no desire of a romantic relationship with her, since in Naruto's mind that spot in reserved for Sasuke.

This allows Naruto to look elsewhere for romance. And Naruto went out of his way to lend Hinata Kurama's chakra in a romantic fashion.

Which was even more problematic for you because Naruto's feelings were confirmed after Hinata's confession. This shows exactly how little her confession changed his feelings. This a common misconception for you NH fans about the confession and I can already see how tight your shipping googles are on. You aren't paying attention at all to the context. When he first heard Sakura say she loved him, he didn't look uncomfortable or upset. He was happily stunned speechless, even blushing a bit. This is a stark contrast from his "wtf" reaction to Hinata's. Argue the circumstances if you want but it's the truth. Only when Sakura mentioned Sasuke and how she no longer liked him, did he get suspicious. It wasn't his first reaction. He refuses the idea that Sakura loves him and doesn't Sasuke not because he's over her. It was pretty obvious by then he wasn't.

Think of how Naruto is. If his mental wall over the past three years constantly screams to him everyday "Sakura-chan is completely in love with Sasuke", why the hell would he believe differently? The Promise of a Lifetime crushed most of his hope he'd win her over someday so he has trouble believing he will. Truthfully, when it comes to Sakura's feelings, his confidence is low and his insecurity is tenfold. He denied her confession because the cirumstance was bad timing (understandable) but that's only half why. Believe or not, he wants to be with Sakura and has always loved her. But her confession wasn't enough for him. In his eyes, Sakura was lying. Her feelings weren't real. Unlike how his love for her is. So it wasn't an even score for him. If Naruto accepted her then he'd be miserable. He'd constantly feel like her feelings for Sasuke were stronger and that the only reason she's with him is pity. To put it bluntly, Naruto wants it to be real. That wasn't real for him and wouldn't be satisifiying. I also believe that Naruto rejecting her confession was because he was afraid of getting his hopes up and for them to die before his eyes. In other words, he wasn't ready to be in a romantic relationship with Sakura because he was afraid of getting hurt. Just like he did in the PoaL. Just the fact that he rejected her feelings shows how much his feelings for her have matured. My support for this was because when Sakura bluntly said "If you don't like me, just say so!", he said nothin. Which he would have if he didn't still have feelings for her. He thought Sakura was lying anyway, she he would have no problem telling her that. Instead he proceded to say "But it's weird! You come all this way to say something like that!"

As for why he easily said Sakura loves Sasuke to Sai, that was Sasuke-centered. He didn't want to believe Sakura too had given up on Sasuke because he thought she would always be with him on this. Everyone else turned against Sasuke but she didn't.

Your argument is wrong here, too. Naruto always believed from late Part 1 onward that Sakura would always have stronger feelings for Sasuke. He could have moved on from her right, then, and there. However, he didn't. Part 2 confirmed his feelings for Sakura only got stronger on and on. Why would Hinata's presence change that when not even Sakura's feelings could? He's too stubborn, simple as that. The hand-holding ... already covered the hyocrisy.

Naruto is a very instinctive individual. He doesn't think very long or hard about anything, but what he says and does is always honest as a result. Naruto uses a romantic gesture to share Kurama's chakra with Hinata, so one can assume Naruto considers his bond with Hinata is romantic by the gesture alone.

And no, this is not the same as Naruto saving Sakura Bridal-style from the end of the Five Kage Summit; Naruto doesn't so much as look at Sakura at all, instead eye-locking with Sasuke immediately and then going on to refer to Sakura as a teammate and nothing else. In this chapter, Naruto not take his eyes off Hinata until the moment he's ready to attack the enemy of the end of the chapter, hand-in-hand with Hinata. From the moment Hinata slaps Naruto, the two of them do not seperate, even in the middle of a friggin war.

You already contradicted yourself. It's true, Naruto doesn't think long about what he does. So why is it so hard to believe that he maybe wasn't putting a lot of meaning in the hand-holding? That it was just him showing his gratitude by giving her chakra and thanking her? He doesn't read too much into things, after all. Exactly. Assume. Do you know the definition of assume? Assume: "to conclude in appearance only". It's not concrete he considers his bond with Hinata romantic now. You already proved me right. So really, no one should assume anything until further notice.

Wow, you really are a selective reader. You ignore the piercing side glance he send to Sasuke after trying to kill Sakura, paralleling the glance Minato did to Obito during the Nine-tails attack? He even gently put Sakura down. He was of course furious. But he forgave him because of his bad Sasuke tunnel vision. He said "Sakura's a member of Team 7, too". He included ALL OF THEM. Naruto showed no special, warm expression to Hinata other than shock, doubt, and generic gratitude. He didn't even look at her when he held her hand, pegging it's importance down by a lot . Why the hell would he suddenly ignore her when she's holding his face, giving a speech, and helping him? Your logic is truly flawed. She was drawing a lot of attention to herself, he couldn't ignore her even if he tried. He was showing his gratitude by giving her chakra and fighting with her. Why do you continue to ignore that?

Of course there is Kurama's chakra to share with Hinata, and that does not condone romance ... or does it?

Kurama is effectively the symbol of Naruto's parent's love for him; they died to give Kurama to Naruto, out of love. Kurama even points this out himself in 615. Hinata is surrounded by Naruto's Bijuu Chakra Mode, connected to Naruto's own aura, in the final panel. I repeat: Naruto has given Hinata the symbol of his parent's love, that happens to have been a part of himself since birth. This could very well mean that Naruto wants to share the love he felt from his parents with Hinata.

Does that sound like romantic?

Wow. How did you even pull this out?! Are you that desperate for NH support? I can't even begin to describe how much your statements are filled with wishful thinking and retardedness. Naruto isn't trying to convey "special" feelings most likely. He's trying to express his gratitude by giving her chakra and fighting with her. What does his Kurama symbolizing his parent's love have to do with anything? Do you really think Naruto thinks that deeply into things? You must have him confused with someone else.

It actually doesn't. It sounds like BS.

If Naruto didn't have romantic intent, then he wouldn't of held Hinata's hand in a way that has obvious romantic connotations

If Sakura didn't have romantic intent, then she wouldn't of hugged Naruto so openly in a way that has obvious romantic connotations.

See wat I did there.

What manga have you been reading the last decade?

Hinata's feelings for Naruto are a source of strength for her. They don't hinder her progress, in fact the opposite is true; they are what push Hinata to keep trying and to never give up, becoming stronger in the process.

If you think that Hinata's feelings for Naruto are a weakness, then I have to question your reading comprehension

Funny. Seeing many of your Pro-NH arguments, I have an insatiable urge to as you the same thing. What manga have you been reading the last decade?

It's true that Hinata has grown enormously throughout the series because of her love for Naruto. However, as the series goes on, it's not entirely unreasonable to see her feelings for him as a weakness. She seems to care about nothing other than Naruto. That's exactly why I have a slight dislike of her. She's so bland and revolves around nothing but Naruto. A Sateliate Character for instance. Examples? 573: She didn't care about anything other than holding Naruto's hand. 615: After Neji dies, instead of thinking "I'll avenge you, Neji!", she has a complete total fangirl moment: "Naruto's hand is big ... so manly but most importantly ... it makes me feel safe!" She constantly disappoints me. Where's her Hyuuga heiress goal? Oh wait. Naruto matters more.

Then you must question my reading comprehension as well because I see Hinata's feelings for Naruto as a hinderance, just like Slextrem. It keeps her from growing completely.

No kitten. The note about "never letting go of this hand" just adds emphasis to Naruto and Hinata's unbreakable bond.

And considering how Naruto is the one to hold Hinata's hand to begin with, it makes more sense to think the line meant is to be from Naruto's perspective.

Very elegantly put. I applaud your civil language. Unbreakable? Are you sure you aren't confusing NH with his bond to Sasuke? The editor's note means nothing and has no further emphasis on much.

Well, besides Naruto never giving up on his bonds in general. That would it probably means, symbolically. Not NaruHina though. Your biasness is clouding everything you see. But again, editor's note. Does it really mean anything? At the end of the day, no.

Don't bother asking "shouldn't this be obvious"? when it comes to Sakura. Sakura is still in love with Sasuke since the start of the Five Kage Summit, yet Sakura was unaware of this fact, when it should've been obvious to her given all the panel time they have together since Part 1. kitten, Naruto Idiot Uzumaki and Sai McClueless could see it a mile away.

And at any rate, I am pretty sure Sakura is atonished that Hinata is capable of delivering a speech with such insight almost immediately after her beloved cousin died, in his honor no less. Hinata's inner strength took her by surpise ... much like how Sakura repeatedly underestimates Naruto's growth until the war arc starts. Just another point that compares Naruto and Hinata; Sakura can't keep up with either one.

Of course Sakura is still in love with Sasuke. It's a confirmed fact since 540. Yet Sakura has spent a lot of time with Naruto too, and more recently as well. It doesn't mean she can't love him too. Databook Three confirmed her confusing feelings for him. This could easily be unrealized love, no? Naruto always knew she loved Sasuke but as you can see, his support for that claim was flashbacks in Part 1, not Part 2 during her confession. Plus, he's utterly dense. There's no way he would be a good support in seeing Sakura loves him. Look at Hinata, for God's sake. And Sai ... he was just going off of what Naruto said. And note, Sai never said she didn't love Naruto as well.

Entirely possible. I believe her surprise at seeing Hinata so bold was partly the reason for her shock. But I also don't think it's entirely impossible to see Sakura feeling uncomfortable seeing their close contact. There have been several hints throughout the series she may have feelings for him. But hey, that's my bias talking. Underestimates? Are you joking? Sakura rarely underestimates Naruto. She has a lot of faith in him and has for a while. Examples? As early as the Chunin Exams: When Hinata didn't think Naruto would win against Kiba, Sakura did. Sakura also believed only he could bring back Sasuke. When he was fighting Obito the first time, Naruto got hit once and Hinata freaked out. Sakura? She reprimanded Hinata, saying "Stay focused! Naruto isn't stopped that easily!" Kage Summit? Same thing. Her faith in Team 7 was restored by Naruto. Whatever her feelings for him, Sakura believes in him unconditionally. She believes in him much more than Hinata ever has. This isn't biasness, the manga has shown it. But of course, your Hinata fanboy/fangirl feels prevent you from seeing that.

And just because I find out pointing out your hypocrisy hilarious and satisfying, let me do this for good measure:

Sakura is falling in love with Naruto since the beginning of Shippuden, yet Sakura is unaware of this fact, when it should be obvious to her given all the panel time they have together in Part 2.

Because Sakura is the everygirl that represents the ordinary person between Konoha 11, and Konoha as a whole during chapter 550. She sees it the way a regular person would; shock that Hinata can be so strong after what just happened.

She does represent ordinary. However, I still disagree. Being a true NH fan full of hypocrisy, you ignore the fact that hugs are commonly viewed as a romantic gesture in Japan. And, unlike the hand-holding, it wasn't without a ulterior motive. She held him because she wanted to. And also, the crowd was blushing at her gesture. Even Kakashi looked shocked. Which is exactly why I can't buy that that wasn't a romantic moment and was instead "the representation of Konoha". Wouldn't them cheering be enough?

Or maybe Sakura feels confused that she doesn't like watching Hinata be so close to Naruto? Especially considering the fact that her romantic feelings for Naruto have been implied a lot over the series? Yamato being an obvious example.


Well, that was fun. I am completely aware I responded to a hardcore NaruHina troll who would never listen to what I have to say but I love doing this. It increases my faith in NaruSaku being the end pairing every time. I'll be sure to help you with those NaruHina fans on your video, Slextrem. It's hard to deal with their stubbornness alone. And I agree, they probably ambushed the video because they feel threatened and angry.

Edited by xxRomanceGirlxx, 31 December 2012 - 11:25 PM.

[ALESSE]

I'm sorry if this goes off topic, but I need to get something off of my chest:

This is in regards to my video about 615. I'm beginning to remember why I stopped uploading videos in the first place. My head felt like exploding after dealing with all of the personal attacks, hypocrisy, and bias arguments. Some guy is trying to pick a fight over my perspective of the chapter, as if it's going to prove something. He believes the hand holding is a sign of Naruto's love for Hinata, which is fine. He can believe whatever he wants. Personally, I don't see NaruHina as cannon yet because we haven't been given Naruto's perspective, though I admit it has a higher possibility of becoming cannon.

What I find golden is, he first tells me I'm bias (which I've already acknowledged several times), and then he sends me this:

http://www.narutofor...p;postcount=535

...and follows up with this:

... --Click here to view--

That was more of a rant to me and you really just tried to make excuses for NS. To some how happen.Funny.

That hand holding and never letting go says Naruto's P.O.V about the situation he really isn't as dense as he leads on you know.
Or how you make him out to be

And if Sakura does choose Naruto he would just be a second choice, just out of pity.

Do not bring up data books, just the manga and just face it NS got trolled over in 469 by BOTH Naruto and Sakura(her lying about "loving" Naruto and Naruto seeing straight through her BS lie) I'd say he's lost respect for her after that.

And you know Naruto would just be a plan b for Sakura and lets say Sasuke does die I'm sure Naruto wouldn't even think of getting with Sakura after that and it would just be forcing them together and that is not love.


Yes. Sakura DOES love Sasuke NOT Naruto, and do not bring up that lie of a confession as being genuine because it was not.

The hypocrisy is so overwhelming, I can't even... I've already told him, I'm not interested in a fight, (sorry, "debate"), the purpose behind my video was to share my perspective of the chapter and raise a few points as to why, as a NaruSaku fan, I'm not worried. He just won't drop it though. Is my opinion really that threatening to him? Just because I don't believe NaruHina is cannon from 615, he needs to attack me for it? Seriously.

Hey don't worry about that guy. He just got super defensive for nothing. Cause he knows deep down what you said and pointed out is true. I mean come on lok at his argument points, beyond biased. Half his facts are lies. Just ignore them and you'll be fine. You made people like me and many other narusaku fans feel better, not that I doubted this pairing one bit to begin with. We ve been patient for ever and know what this manga is about. Every character needs there moment and you made a great analysis of that. Just ignore the haters and they ll fade away. Our time will come. And don't OU think that there's seems to be a reason why kishimoto has minimized naruto and sakuras interaction for a reason. Something's gonna happen and it's gonna be big. Just wait and keep that guys on ur list of obnoxious ppl u have to brag to when it happens.

[HalfStarStudios]

what trolls want you to believe --Click here to view--

This image sums up what you said.

Well i'm leaving guys, happy new year to everyone, and i expect a very good year for everyone and the next year with full of NS goodies for us.

LOOOOOOL This!!

Happy New Year!

[swagosaurus]

While I'm over the whole NH shebang (srsly, it's not canon), I'm still rustled over Hinata playing the heroine role, and continuing to play the heroine role in future chapters.

[merryGOflava]

sooooo other than the massive shipping war :3 (which is fun to talk about)

...how do you think tsunade is holding up??


in a way im glad they are getting hinata out of the way....now she won't (hopefully) get in the way of naruto and sakura bonding time.

especially with tsunade and her situation...

[Qia]

While I'm over the whole NH shebang (srsly, it's not canon), I'm still rustled over Hinata playing the heroine role, and continuing to play the heroine role in future chapters.

She's not going to play "the heroine role" in future chapters. That was her shining moment. Now it's time for the shining moment of the rest of k11 (like Shikimaru's plan starting).

sooooo other than the massive shipping war :3 (which is fun to talk about)

...how do you think tsunade is holding up??


in a way im glad they are getting hinata out of the way....now she won't (hopefully) get in the way of naruto and sakura bonding time.

especially with tsunade and her situation...

I honestly think that she's going to die. She lived before, but now it doesn't look so good for her.

Edited by Qia, 31 December 2012 - 11:49 PM.

[swagosaurus]

She's not going to play "the heroine role" in future chapters. That was her shining moment. Now it's time for the shining moment of the rest of k11 (like Shikimaru's plan starting).



I honestly think that she's going to die. She lived before, but now it doesn't look so good for her.

Well, Naruto did say 'Let's go Hinata!' at the end of the chapter, so they're probably going to fight together. :L

[merryGOflava]

Well, Naruto did say 'Let's go Hinata!' at the end of the chapter, so they're probably going to fight together. :L

ya? wat was with that?

who are they going after? i thought the medic ninja's were supposed to be helping take out obito

why does it look like naruto and hinata are teaming up???

shouldn't that be for kakashi or since she's an actual medic, sakura????

...or did i miss something like " the hyuuga must help naruto defeat obito" or something?



he could simply be giving her chakra then go off by himself...but it didn't seem like it.

im not worrying about narusaku, but I'll be DARNED if hinata fights with naruto against obito!!! >:U that won't fly!!

[AzureWaters]

Not much is going to change in the next chapters I suspect. Its very likely for Naruto/Hinata to get that color page, as they were together in the last panel of this week's. Then their going to fight together, and while the whole alliance will as well, Hinata is specifically sticking at Naruto's side.

[merryGOflava]

would it kill kishi to put down hinata's development for a sec so we can see

tenten, lee, and guy's reactions to neji's death!!?

[TouKen4Life3g]

Well, Naruto did say 'Let's go Hinata!' at the end of the chapter, so they're probably going to fight together. :L

For the record, the updated translation seems more like time to gear up. This whole battle is not about two people against the dominate force. Naruto can't do it alone, let alone with one extra person. Hinata is just a Hyuuga and pretty much all Hyuuga, as of now, are in defensive. If anything, Naruto will continue to throw rasenshuriken. So, pretty much, it would seem that the next chapter will be the reveal plan on taking out Juubi. Wouldn't you say it will be pointless if all of them fought only to have two people taking care easily. It's not like we have two powerhouse, just one. Even that's hard for him to handle.

[Qia]

Well, Naruto did say 'Let's go Hinata!' at the end of the chapter, so they're probably going to fight together. :L

I read that "let's go" as not only limiting to Hinata though, even though he said her name. I don't think it's going to be just them =/. But we'll see. What can they really do on their own against this thing, anyway?

Edited by Qia, 01 January 2013 - 12:07 AM.