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#16361 TouKen4Life3g

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Posted 09 April 2013 - 09:20 PM

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Posted 09 April 2013 - 09:24 PM

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Posted 09 April 2013 - 09:40 PM

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Posted 09 April 2013 - 09:40 PM

QUOTE (NaruSaku4Life3g @ Apr 9 2013, 05:18 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I know. It felt like the end of part 2. I always feel like part 3 is Kage Summit Arc and up, because Pain Arc was the closure of Konoha approval of Naruto. It felt like the stake was high. It was great.

You know what? I kinda feel the same way. The manga started giving me a different feel ever since the Summit arc began. It's like that was the beginning of the 3rd act of the Naruto story.

From the hopelessness of saving Sasuke to the reintroduction of Sakura's feelings for him and Naruto's resolution to fix it all. It feels like it was the beginning of the conclusion.

Maybe in a way it did make sense to reintroduce Sakura's feelings for Sasuke then. The end of the 2nd act is about reaching a high point in the story, such as it was when Sakura finally gave Naruto that emotional hug. But then in the 3rd act things begin to look dire once again, such as rediscovering that Sakura's feelings for Sasuke haven't really diminished. But as expected the 3rd act is about facing those problems head on and finding a way to attain a good end. That's how I see it.

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Posted 09 April 2013 - 09:50 PM

QUOTE (redragon88 @ Apr 9 2013, 10:40 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
You know what? I kinda feel the same way. The manga started giving me a different feel ever since the Summit arc began. It's like that was the beginning of the 3rd act of the Naruto story.

From the hopelessness of saving Sasuke to the reintroduction of Sakura's feelings for him and Naruto's resolution to fix it all. It feels like it was the beginning of the conclusion.

Maybe in a way it did make sense to reintroduce Sakura's feelings for Sasuke then. The end of the 2nd act is about reaching a high point in the story, such as it was when Sakura finally gave Naruto that emotional hug. But then in the 3rd act things begin to look dire once again, such as rediscovering that Sakura's feelings for Sasuke haven't really diminished. But as expected the 3rd act is about facing those problems head on and finding a way to attain a good end. That's how I see it.


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Posted 09 April 2013 - 10:18 PM

QUOTE (redragon88 @ Apr 9 2013, 05:40 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
You know what? I kinda feel the same way. The manga started giving me a different feel ever since the Summit arc began. It's like that was the beginning of the 3rd act of the Naruto story.

From the hopelessness of saving Sasuke to the reintroduction of Sakura's feelings for him and Naruto's resolution to fix it all. It feels like it was the beginning of the conclusion.

Maybe in a way it did make sense to reintroduce Sakura's feelings for Sasuke then. The end of the 2nd act is about reaching a high point in the story, such as it was when Sakura finally gave Naruto that emotional hug. But then in the 3rd act things begin to look dire once again, such as rediscovering that Sakura's feelings for Sasuke haven't really diminished. But as expected the 3rd act is about facing those problems head on and finding a way to attain a good end. That's how I see it.

I feel that Sakura's feelings for Sasuke return is more like the final process for NaruSaku relationship because if you read shoujo, in a way, the couple gotten too close to the point they may have truly fallen in love...that is until something or someone returns and stops the girl from completing the relationship. Now it's up to her to make a final decision. That's where Sakura is in now. I feel like if Sasuke's problems didn't get too crazy (joining Akatsuki, capture a beast, now it's a world criminal), she probably could gone through with Naruto further. Though the downside is that her feelings for Sasuke is not completely vanished, so if Sasuke returns and Sakura is together with Naruto, that could be awkward. So, Kishi decided to play her feelings one last time before the epic finale.

It's always something or someone that will put a halt in the relationship between the two, and usually, they'll prevail. This one is interesting because well, it's a little twist to it and certainly, if done right, the payoff can be great.

Edited by NaruSaku4Life3g, 09 April 2013 - 10:21 PM.


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Posted 09 April 2013 - 10:20 PM

I know this is weird...but I think I gained respect for Sakura after we found out she still had feelings for Sasuke. I mean...if her love really was that genuine, which means she wasn't just some fan girl, it would make sense that it would still be there a little until she saw for herself how far he'd gone, right? Even if her love for him was dwindling before then. But do you agree or no? huh.gif

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Posted 09 April 2013 - 10:40 PM

QUOTE (Qia @ Apr 9 2013, 03:20 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I know this is weird...but I think I gained respect for Sakura after we found out she still had feelings for Sasuke. I mean...if her love really was that genuine, which means she wasn't just some fan girl, it would make sense that it would still be there a little until she saw for herself how far he'd gone, right? Even if her love for him was dwindling before then. But do you agree or no? huh.gif

I suppose it is notable that she still loves him after all he's done, but I can't really respect Sakura for her love. I still don't even know why she loves Sasuke. 111193.gif It just boggles me because he hasn't really done anything to gain her love that Naruto hasn't done before/since then.

And about her dwindling feelings. The Kage Summit arc wasn't too long ago in manga time, and it was really her first time seeing how far Sasuke had fallen. Before she just got little sneak peaks of the "Avenger Sasuke," but never the full out "Crazy Sasuke." So I can understand why she hasn't just hopped ship. I think the seeds of doubt have been planted in Sakura's mind. Now it's time for her to really think about pursuing Sasuke and acknowledge whatever feelings she has for Naruto. Although I would rather have her focus on the war than on her feelings. Unlike a certain Hyuuga... th_7eyytubokky7rehok1k.gif
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Posted 09 April 2013 - 10:52 PM

QUOTE (Qia @ Apr 9 2013, 06:20 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I know this is weird...but I think I gained respect for Sakura after we found out she still had feelings for Sasuke. I mean...if her love really was that genuine, which means she wasn't just some fan girl, it would make sense that it would still be there a little until she saw for herself how far he'd gone, right? Even if her love for him was dwindling before then. But do you agree or no? huh.gif

I don't know. One thing I learned from her recap of relationship is the fact it really did start off with a fangirl love. One would have thought they sat down and talk or anything that makes them distant from other fangirls. Sadly, she's like Ino in this case. Falling in love for the first time is hard to get out, but it's not working, it's best to drop it because the world is not limited to one as the old saying, "There are other fishes in the sea to choose."

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Posted 09 April 2013 - 10:54 PM

QUOTE (Crimson @ Apr 9 2013, 06:46 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
The problem being that her love for him in almost completely unjustifiable. Even during the time when they were teammates, Sasuke's treatment of Sakura ranged from indifferent to overly aggresive (i.e. Chunin exams). The only times where he showed genuine concern for her situation were during the most dire of situations (i.e. Gaara fight). Even from her own point of view, I highly doubt Sakura can list any legitimate reasons to love Sasuke (recall her breaking down into dears when pressed by Karin regarding why she even liked him). At worst, it gives off the impression that Sakura simply wants to play the submissive role in a borderline abusive relationship.

You meant Karui, not Karin, right?

You know it's pretty refreshing to see an NH fan that doesn't simultaneously ship SS. I know some people will disagree with your opinions of NH but try to stick around if you can. biggrin.gif

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Posted 09 April 2013 - 11:05 PM

QUOTE (Crimson @ Apr 9 2013, 11:46 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
The problem being that her love for him in almost completely unjustifiable. Even during the time when they were teammates, Sasuke's treatment of Sakura ranged from indifferent to overly aggresive (i.e. Chunin exams). The only times where he showed genuine concern for her situation were during the most dire of situations (i.e. Gaara fight). Even from her own point of view, I highly doubt Sakura can list any legitimate reasons to love Sasuke (recall her breaking down into dears when pressed by Karui regarding why she even liked him). At worst, it gives off the impression that Sakura simply wants to play the submissive role in a borderline abusive relationship.

The best part is that Kishi said he wanted to write a romance after this. How do you think that would turn out th_7eyytubokky7rehok1k.gif

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Posted 09 April 2013 - 11:13 PM

QUOTE (Shadow1275 @ Apr 9 2013, 07:05 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
The best part is that Kishi said he wanted to write a romance after this. How do you think that would turn out th_7eyytubokky7rehok1k.gif


Good question, but you have to remember that there is the TsuDan without the death part, there is MinaKushi and ObiRin story before he went psycho.
Kishi's problem is more with the teenagers and the irrational need for Sasuke from his characters, apart from that he is kind of OK.


QUOTE (Crimson @ Apr 9 2013, 06:46 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
The problem being that her love for him in almost completely unjustifiable. Even during the time when they were teammates, Sasuke's treatment of Sakura ranged from indifferent to overly aggresive (i.e. Chunin exams). The only times where he showed genuine concern for her situation were during the most dire of situations (i.e. Gaara fight). Even from her own point of view, I highly doubt Sakura can list any legitimate reasons to love Sasuke (recall her breaking down into dears when pressed by Karui regarding why she even liked him). At worst, it gives off the impression that Sakura simply wants to play the submissive role in a borderline abusive relationship.



QUOTE (Crimson @ Apr 9 2013, 07:02 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
My thanks for pointing that out.

I suspect, at least from what I've seen, that most NH fans simply ship SS for an easy reason to get Sakura out of the way of our pairing.



What the ????

I have to ask
Were you a 100% NH fan somewhat 10% NS fan but because of so many Sakura face palm you decided to ship NH only?
Those two post of your just raised my eyebrows especially the bold part.


By the way try to avoid using color letter or any Cap since the MOD already stated that she want it to stop.


QUOTE (tricksie @ Apr 9 2013, 12:26 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Just a general reminder: please lay off walls of multicolor/bold text. I've seen it cropping up here and there, and it was mentioned a few posts up. It's ok for emphasis, you know. But not as the primary method of posting. thx guys.

Edited by Don-kun, 09 April 2013 - 11:22 PM.


#16373 TouKen4Life3g

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Posted 09 April 2013 - 11:18 PM

QUOTE (Don-kun @ Apr 9 2013, 07:13 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
What the ????

I have to ask
Were you a 100% NH fan somewhat 10% NS fan but because of so many Sakura face palm you decided to ship NH only?
Those two post of your just raised my eyebrows especially the bold part.


By the way try to avoid using color letter or any Cap since the MOD already stated that she want it to stop.

It's more like he's aware that people support SS to get rid of Sakura from NS. I don't think he's NH/SS fan, just NH.

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Posted 09 April 2013 - 11:20 PM

QUOTE (Crimson @ Apr 9 2013, 04:02 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
My thanks for pointing that out.

I suspect, at least from what I've seen, that most NH fans simply ship SS for an easy reason to get Sakura out of the way of our pairing.


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Posted 09 April 2013 - 11:28 PM

QUOTE (FrenchMyToast @ Apr 9 2013, 06:40 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I suppose it is notable that she still loves him after all he's done, but I can't really respect Sakura for her love. I still don't even know why she loves Sasuke. 111193.gif It just boggles me because he hasn't really done anything to gain her love that Naruto hasn't done before/since then.


Well she was attracted to him, she wanted him to acknowledge her, and he did (but that was Naruto in disguise). So...with what occurred in chapter 3, do you think that would give her a good enough reason to not give up on him so easily? Maybe in hopes that the Sasuke that had talked to her right then and there is still there?

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Posted 09 April 2013 - 11:29 PM

QUOTE (Qia @ Apr 9 2013, 08:28 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Well she was attracted to him, she wanted him to acknowledge her, and he did (but that was Naruto in disguise). So...with what occurred in chapter 3, do you think that would give her a good enough reason to not give on him so easily? Maybe in hopes that the Sasuke that had talked to her right then and there is still there?

Sorry but wasnt on this scene, was on her confession when Sasuke said "thank you" it's even on her flashbacks unless you missed that panel were she was going to kill Sasuke and this panel bought up.
The two panels was when she fell in love when she was kid and the "thank you" thing but still does not make any sense and it's not a valid reason.

Chapter 3 did played any role on her love for Sasuke.

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Posted 09 April 2013 - 11:33 PM

QUOTE (Dαrkrєrsŧ @ Apr 10 2013, 12:29 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Sorry but wasnt on this scene, was on her confession when Sasuke said "thank you" it's even on her flashbacks unless you missed that panel were she was going to kill Sasuke and this panel bought up.
The two panels was when she fell in love when she was kid and the "thank you" thing but still does not make any sense and it's not a valid reason.

Chapter 3 did played any role on her love for Sasuke.

Ch. 3 definitely stoked the fire but I agree that the Thank You was the acknowledgement she was looking for. The other thing that I want to point out is that Sasuke has severed his bond with Sakura which just about kills any chance of SS. He even says that in the first team 7 reunion. Which is why the likelyhood is that Sakura will hav no choice but to get over her feelings for Sasuke because she isn't going to get any return on that investment.

Edited by Shadow1275, 09 April 2013 - 11:34 PM.

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Posted 09 April 2013 - 11:35 PM

QUOTE (Shadow1275 @ Apr 9 2013, 08:33 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Ch. 3 definitely stoked the fire but I agree that the Thank You was the acknowledgement she was looking for. The other thing that I want to point out is that Sasuke has severed his bond with Sakura which just about kills any chance of SS. He even says that in the first team 7 reunion. Which is why the likelyhood is that Sakura will hav no choice but to get over her feelings for Sasuke because she isn't going to get any return on that investment.




Where the bench scene played a scene on her love for Sasuke?
IF the bench scene was so important should not be here?

The only thing that stoked the fire was the fact they belonged to the same team.

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Posted 09 April 2013 - 11:36 PM

QUOTE (Qia @ Apr 9 2013, 07:28 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Well she was attracted to him, she wanted him to acknowledge her, and he did (but that was Naruto in disguise). So...with what occurred in chapter 3, do you think that would give her a good enough reason to not give up on him so easily? Maybe in hopes that the Sasuke that had talked to her right then and there is still there?


I did point that out before but the thought was easily brush of by others, I strongly believe that there is some attachment to that scene and the reason why Kishi didn't use it when she was about to kill Sasuke was because of the fact that it will Automatically make NS the canon pairing by default the moment she find out it was always Naruto who always knew her well.

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Posted 09 April 2013 - 11:39 PM

QUOTE (Don-kun @ Apr 9 2013, 08:36 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I did point that out before but the thought was easily brush of by others, I strongly believe that there is some attachment to that scene and the reason why Kishi didn't use it when she was about to kill Sasuke was because of the fact that it will Automatically make NS the canon pairing by default the moment she find out it was always Naruto who always knew her well.

Well it's just your opinion, like i said so many times if the moment was important and ignited the fire of her love for him, for sure it should already bought up also does not make NS canon right away because there are other "reasons", the only two things was her childhood and the "thank you" only those alone are ridiculous, and also adding the bench scene will not increase or decrease the buildup that it's already bad.

It's laughable because http://i39.mangaread...uto-1219240.jpg all the SS development took less than one page.

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