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[Nostradamus]

Put it this way:

 

Hinata as a solo part of development: decent

Hinata as a pairing development: bad

 

In a way, if you side just for the solo department, she's decent. However, if you follow or fall in the pairing world, you'll ask nothing but bad things.

I would say Hinata's solos development is decent at best. And it terms of pairing, what pairing? HR? Hinata and Rock-Kun? If that's what you're referring to, then I would say Hinata's development in that department is really good.

[TyranntX]

I do have a feeling the NH fans will rage tomorrow I mean this is well their last hope, not like they had any to start with, but I said this to my friend and with both agree that having Neji come back would be pointless for the story, hell I would rather have Kushina show up but we all want her to talk to Sakura which would be funny.

 

Also should Naruto have a son or daughter or both?

 

I have to agree, even if Neji COULD show up (And I'm not saying that he will) Naruto is i another demention with no other metal links (chakra based) left! how will he see Neji? I think that NH dug its own grave a long time ago. Kushina would b much better prefered, I just don't think I got to see enough of her, and she is a nice character too.

 

I say both, and it should not stop at just 2 kids either... I'm hoping for a HUGE family, even if Kishi doesn't plan to make another Naruto saga for a while (if he ever decides to make one).

[Heartsbattle]

 

Hinata really isn't as bad as some make her out to be, she just wants to be acknowledged and that's where she found common ground with Naruto, who also struggled and wanted acknowledgement from the people who rejected him. She saw in him the hope that she could be better if she just tried hard enough, and she has tried. She doesn't always succeed, no, but I can't fault her for that; Hinata is not the heroine and can't be expected to act in that role. But that doesn't mean she doesn't have a purpose in the story, and I'm not convinced that her development is done either. Hopefully her final development will include her finding her independence, maybe stepping into the role of a leader for her clan.

 

I especially agree with the bolded. Neither Hinata nor NH are a 'threat', and never have been. Hinata is just another person who has been encouraged by Naruto's influence, but she is not and has never been his love interest and thus is no threat to NS.

This is what I was trying to say. lol. Thank you for putting it this way. :)

 

And the clan leader is what I was thinking about too!

[Dalton.T.R]

I find it rather confusing... and even backwards on some occasions.It makes me really sad that I can never meet a NS fan in person.  America just sucks sometimes.

Bro, you're telling me! It sucks in more ways than people will ever realize.

 

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[KnS]

I've been thinking... maybe there was some kind of problem with the biju chakra transfer and Naruto has actually died.

 

Maybe he hasn't awakened to face Yin Kurama or whatever other biju chakra Obito may or may not have grabbed.  Maybe, like Kakashi, he has died and will get a chance at resolution the same way Kakashi did with Sakumo.

 

Naruto and Sakura were on a platform of Gaara's sand before they were transferred to the Kamui dimension, and once there we saw in #666 that they still are.  In the final panel last week, Naruto appears to be flat on his back and the ripples beneath him appear to indicate water.

 

The water could be a link with Jiraiya, considering that he died while he was sinking to the bottom of the ocean.  That would actually make some sense, and Jiraiya is really the only character with whom Naruto has had no closure.  I can totally see them meeting in the ether, and Jiraiya giving Naruto some final advice.

 

What might that advice be?  To confess to the girl he loves?  Very likely.  Advice on how to marshal his strength?  Probably.  Advice on how to beat Madara?  Maybe.  Advice on what to do about Sasuke?  Likely.  Advice about keeping his eye on Orochimaru?  Maybe.

 

I really like that possibility.  Naruto dies, meets with Jiraiya, gets a ton of advice, gets to say goodbye, then is revived by Sakura's frantic mouth-to-mouth and heart massage.

 

I know it could be his subconscious again, where Naruto used to talk to Yang Kurama.  But the thing that has stuck with me all week is the expression on Naruto's face in that last panel.  He's completely surprised and shocked.

 

Why would he be that surprised upon seeing the biju?  He might wonder how it happened, but would he be stunned?  I would think he'd be ready to get back to fighting -- not look as if he's just received an unexpected shock.

 

If Naruto has died temporarily, making room for a reunion of some kind, it also leaves room for Sakura to react to his death, for her to have to fully revive him, and for Obito to see it all.

 

Or not.

 

So much for my last-minute musings.

Edited by KnS, 26 March 2014 - 01:24 AM.

[BakeNeko-Chan]

 

I've been thinking... maybe there was some kind of problem with the biju chakra transfer and Naruto has actually died.

 

Maybe he hasn't awakened to face Yin Kurama or whatever other biju chakra Obito may or may not have grabbed.  Maybe, like Kakashi, he has died and will get a chance at resolution the same way Kakashi did with Sakumo.

 

Naruto and Sakura were on a platform of Gaara's sand before they were transferred to the Kamui dimension, and once there we saw in #666 that they still are.  In the final panel last week, Naruto appears to be flat on his back and the ripples beneath him appear to indicate water.

 

The water could be a link with Jiraiya, considering that he died while he was sinking to the bottom of the ocean.  That would actually make some sense, and Jiraiya is really the only character with whom Naruto has had no closure.  I can totally see them meeting in the ether, and Jiraiya giving Naruto some final advice.

 

What might that advice be?  To confess to the girl he loves?  Very likely.  Advice on how to marshal his strength?  Probably.  Advice on how to beat Madara?  Maybe.  Advice on what to do about Sasuke?  Likely.  Advice about keeping his eye on Orochimaru?  Maybe.

 

I really like that possibility.  Naruto dies, meets with Jiraiya, gets a ton of advice, gets to say goodbye, then is revived by Sakura's frantic mouth-to-mouth and heart massage.

 

I know it could be his subconscious again, where Naruto used to talk to Yang Kurama.  But the thing that has stuck with me all week is the expression on Naruto's face in that last panel.  He's completely surprised and shocked.

 

Why would he be that surprised upon seeing the biju?  He might wonder how it happened, but would he be stunned?  I would think he'd be ready to get back to fighting -- not look as if he's just received an unexpected shock.

 

If Naruto has died temporarily, making room for a reunion of some kind, it also leaves room for Sakura to react to his death, for her to have to fully revive him, and for Obito to see it all.

 

Or not.

 

So much for my last-minute musings.

 

 

Well, whether it happens or not, it's a very interesting theory nonetheless. I kind of hope something like this might actually happen though.

[Otaru]

As much as I agree with you in general KnS, on this one I don't at all ^^' =)
Your theory is interesting, but to me it's kind of obvious that Naruto is in his inner self and will meet with Yin Kurama.

 

It would be a very weird twist to put something else in 670 now that we saw this dripping water and Naruto surrounded with water too in 669.

 

This time, if we get to see Jiraiya talking with Naruto, then it would be in some flashback about the time when Naruto nearly died. But I think it's becoming less and less likely to happen.

 

There is more chances that it would be Hagoromo, and maybe he will even see him in his inner self. Maybe some of Hagoromo is attached to the bijuus.

[KnS]

Your theory is interesting, but to me it's kind of obvious that Naruto is in his inner self and will meet with Yin Kurama.

 

Well, I don't know how "obvious" it is, but I did already concede that it could be Naruto's subconscious.  However, I will personally find it deadly dull if that's all it is, and a right shame if Kishimoto passes up the opportunity to bring Jiraiya back if only for a few moments.

 

It would be a very weird twist to put something else in 670 now that we saw this dripping water and Naruto surrounded with water too in 669.

 

I don't get how it's that weird.  It wouldn't be any more of a twist than to get an entire chapter about Gai as a child, where Kishimoto introduces a brand new character we'd never heard of before.  Comparatively speaking, Naruto dying and meeting up with Jiraiya wouldn't be that out of place.

 

There is more chances that it would be Hagoromo, and maybe he will even see him in his inner self. Maybe some of Hagoromo is attached to the bijuus.

 

Oh, for the love of all things holy I hope not.  But yes, it's possible.  The only thing that would be good about it would be to see how Kishimoto got it to make any sense, lol.

Edited by KnS, 26 March 2014 - 01:46 AM.

[TyranntX]

 

I've been thinking... maybe there was some kind of problem with the biju chakra transfer and Naruto has actually died.

 

Maybe he hasn't awakened to face Yin Kurama or whatever other biju chakra Obito may or may not have grabbed.  Maybe, like Kakashi, he has died and will get a chance at resolution the same way Kakashi did with Sakumo.

 

Naruto and Sakura were on a platform of Gaara's sand before they were transferred to the Kamui dimension, and once there we saw in #666 that they still are.  In the final panel last week, Naruto appears to be flat on his back and the ripples beneath him appear to indicate water.

 

The water could be a link with Jiraiya, considering that he died while he was sinking to the bottom of the ocean.  That would actually make some sense, and Jiraiya is really the only character with whom Naruto has had no closure.  I can totally see them meeting in the ether, and Jiraiya giving Naruto some final advice.

 

What might that advice be?  To confess to the girl he loves?  Very likely.  Advice on how to marshal his strength?  Probably.  Advice on how to beat Madara?  Maybe.  Advice on what to do about Sasuke?  Likely.  Advice about keeping his eye on Orochimaru?  Maybe.

 

I really like that possibility.  Naruto dies, meets with Jiraiya, gets a ton of advice, gets to say goodbye, then is revived by Sakura's frantic mouth-to-mouth and heart massage.

 

I know it could be his subconscious again, where Naruto used to talk to Yang Kurama.  But the thing that has stuck with me all week is the expression on Naruto's face in that last panel.  He's completely surprised and shocked.

 

Why would he be that surprised upon seeing the biju?  He might wonder how it happened, but would he be stunned?  I would think he'd be ready to get back to fighting -- not look as if he's just received an unexpected shock.

 

If Naruto has died temporarily, making room for a reunion of some kind, it also leaves room for Sakura to react to his death, for her to have to fully revive him, and for Obito to see it all.

 

Or not.

 

So much for my last-minute musings.

 

That is a very good theory, hope something like that happens

[Otaru]

Well, I don't know how "obvious" it is, but I did already concede that it could be Naruto's subconscious.  However, I will personally find it deadly dull if that's all it is, and a right shame if Kishimoto passes up the opportunity to bring Jiraiya back if only for a few moments.

Well, to me the introduction of this dripping water on a pool of water is too clear to be something else. If I'm wrong then I'll apologise because to me, it's all fitting pretty well to introduce Naruto's inner self dimension with Kurama. Why would it be dull ? I think it perfect to reintroduce Naruto. Correct me if I'm wrong, but it seems to me that nobody thought of this. We all thought that Naruto would woke up in front of Sakura. I think that's great to see him first in his inner self dimension.
About Jiraiya, I have to admit that I have mixed feelings about it. I'm not sure that I would like Naruto to meet him after all. I think maybe Jiraiya should stay in peace. I don't know. Back then, when Pain attacked, I thought it was a shame that Jiraiya wasn't brought back too, but now maybe it's too late. Maybe I'm a little tired of "everyone is always back/nobody dies forever" lol
 

I don't get how it's that weird.  It wouldn't be any more of a twist than to get an entire chapter about Gai as a child, where Kishimoto introduces a brand new character we'd never heard of before.  Comparatively speaking, Naruto dying and meeting up with Jiraiya wouldn't be that out of place.

It's because to me this dripping water as an introducing is too strong to be something else than Naruto's inner self dimension. It's not that I think that your theory is weird. It could fit, but IMO not after this introduction. It's already a surprise that Naruto isn't waking in the kamui dimension in front of Sakura and Obito right now, I think it would be too much to fake us once more. Don't you ?

Oh, for the love of all things holy I hope not.  But yes, it's possible.  The only thing that would be good about it would be to see how Kishimoto got it to make any sense, lol.

lol he has made this kind of things before !

[KnS]

Correct me if I'm wrong, but it seems to me that nobody thought of this. We all thought that Naruto would woke up in front of Sakura. 

 

No, there's been discussion about it all over the board -- here and on the chapter thread.  I'm not sure how you missed it.  A lot of people think the water means Naruto's subconscious, and it might be.  It's a good bet.

 

Naruto couldn't have awakened in front of Sakura because of the water.  Like I said, the last we saw Naruto was still lying on Gaara's sand.  If he had awakened in front of Sakura there would be sand beneath him, not water.  (Unless Kishimoto made a continuity mistake, which is possible.)

 

So Naruto is either in his subconscious, he's in some watery place with Jiraiya, or he's somewhere behind Door Number Three.  ; )

 

I think maybe Jiraiya should stay in peace. I don't know. Back then, when Pain attacked, I thought it was a shame that Jiraiya wasn't brought back too, but now maybe it's too late. Maybe I'm a little tired of "everyone is always back/nobody dies forever" lol

 

In the scenario I described, Jiraiya would not be brought back to life.  Naruto would be dead and seeing Jiraiya in the afterlife, in the same way Kakashi saw his father.   Then Naruto would return to the living, and Jiraiya would remain dead.

 

It's already a surprise that Naruto isn't waking in the kamui dimension in front of Sakura and Obito right now, I think it would be too much to fake us once more. Don't you ?

 

No, I can't say I do.  Same answer as above.  I'd be surprised if it's not one of those two options.

 

 

lol he has made this kind of things before !

 

That's true.  That's why we can't really know for sure until we see which way he goes with it.  ^_^

 

 

That is a very good theory, hope something like that happens

 

I'm rarely right about Kishimoto's action choices, so please don't hold your breath.  It would be hazardous to your health.  

Edited by KnS, 26 March 2014 - 02:44 AM.

[StriderC]

It had some relevancy during the beginning of the series, which spawned the pokeshipping fandom. But it has steadily died down after that. Nowadays people ship ash with any new heroine that gets replaced.

Ash and Misty was THE couple for me and Misty was awesome. I got pissed when she got replaced. Should of got rid of Brock. Lmao anyway, i don think any of the couples compare to AshMisty. I think i saw a movie where he brought her up and i was cheesing like an idiot. I dropped the series. I disliked the replacement for Veronica Taylor...

[Gojira]

I wouldn't say Naruto is surprised I mean he looks like someone who just got brought back from the dead (which in fiction usually shows them waking up like they had a night terror or something)

[Inferno180]

Well from the recent chapter, I'm ready to think this to anyone who tries to deny parallels as a part of the story:

 

 

Seriously, when even the most ancient founder of ninjutsu is saying he sees the will of his own son inside naruto and how his son worked to gain where he was despite being born weak, how his older son was inherited all the power and had the natural talents, how his younger son never gave up and used love to cause change, how the hell are people going to argue against it at this point? For gods sakes, theres a panel of the younger son in an avatar chakra mantle of a giant human fighting a sussano of the older son, not to mention said avatar has the same color scheme as naruto and minato when they went into tailed beast mode.

 

Kishi has made it clear, he loves to use the generation xerox trope, how situations from one age and similar aspects from people spill over to a future era. I mean this is exactly again, so similar to ATLA with Aang and Zuko (let alone all the avatars having trouble with some jerks in their lifetimes they need to stop). But mostly on Aang and Zuko, its simple, Roku and Sozin were friends but grew into conflict, Roku failed to stop Sozin, the war occured. Aang is born, lost 100 years, Zuko is seeking Aang, over the journey they discover truths, conflicts, and other situations they once thought were black and white. Aang and Zuko end up becoming friends having started as enemies. The war is solved after they defeated Ozai and Azula. It was simple in the show.

 

In Naruto, we don't even need to debate the legitmacy of Sakura to Kushina as many NH and SS fans want to fuss over, literally arguing against parallels in Naruto at this point is like trying to argue against gravity, we know its a force, its been proven, it exists everywhere, even in the vaccum of space. So if Kishi hasn't made it aparent enough that parallels exist like that of team 7 to the sannin, the various naruto and sasuke ones, team 10 (including Asuma) to the leadership positions of their respective fathers, just what are people expecting at this point, what the hell are people expecting when they say parallels don't exist? It hasn't been long since the new chapter came out and people are already denying the most powerful wise of sages who created ninjutsu who sees his own son in naruto, just what is the answer then? All I am saying at this point, Kishi has made a point on that he uses parallelism in his story, not even needing to be pairing related, but on one pairing, NS with Sakura being like Kushina, people can still fuss all they want, kishi has made it clear he has put focus on pairings, if anything he will put more on from what he did in 631. Im just saying, if kishi puts emphasis on parallels, then he may just do it with naruto and sakura in regards to minato and kushina later and at this point, it wouldn't be suprising.

[narusaku256]

I was just wondering that whether after the war is over and its time for the Edo-Hokages to be released from Edo Tensei, will we get final parting words of Minato to Naruto? I mean an emotional scene between the strongest father-son duo? Also will we have a conversation of Minato with Sakura like he saying "I think you are the right girl for my son. My son will be safe in your hands. Live a happy married life" something like that and he might give Naruto some advices on handling tsunderes XD and also some prohibitions for the relationships similar to the ones Kushina gave to Naruto regarding the 'Three Shinobi Prohibitions'? It would be fun to watch this scene unfold though.

[Helena]

Well, there is always some Naruhina parallols like:

 

"MinaKushi foreshadows NaruHina because Hinata is shy and quiet just like Minato" 

 

Or worst, I just heard this one from a friend:

 

"If this parallel thing really exists then Hinata can absolutelly be paralleled with Tsunade because of their large breasts and loving someone who wants/wanted to become Hokage. Ha, take that you narusaku sucker!"     

 

I'm at a loss of words... I think Kishimoto's parallels are quite clear on their own right, but some people just refuse to accept the facts.

[Gojira]

Would the Sakura/Kushina parallal still be counted as a huge (possibly endgame) NS hint if Kushina hadn't made the girlfriend comment?

I actually heard some recent SS fans claim that the parallel in is less legitimate because "chapter 504 was so long ago Kishi most likely forgot same with 297" and also followed up with "in 632 Sakura blushed for Sasuke and didn't notice Naruto"

These arguments...my word

[TheFirstEvil100]

Well, there is always some Naruhina parallols like:

 

"MinaKushi foreshadows NaruHina because Hinata is shy and quiet just like Minato" 

 

Or worst, I just heard this one from a friend:

 

"If this parallel thing really exists then Hinata can absolutelly be paralleled with Tsunade because of their large breasts and loving someone who wants/wanted to become Hokage. Ha, take that you narusaku sucker!"     

 

I'm at a loss of words... I think Kishimoto's parallels are quite clear on their own right, but some people just refuse to accept the facts.

Damn that is just very sad I mean it not the only one either I have heard many as well that try to use the whole DBZ couples as well with one saying this all the time

 

Hinata is like Chichi and Sakura is like Bulma and Kishi is going down that path.

[sushi.]

Well, there is always some Naruhina parallols like:

 

"MinaKushi foreshadows NaruHina because Hinata is shy and quiet just like Minato" 

 

Or worst, I just heard this one from a friend:

 

"If this parallel thing really exists then Hinata can absolutelly be paralleled with Tsunade because of their large breasts and loving someone who wants/wanted to become Hokage. Ha, take that you narusaku sucker!"     

 

I'm at a loss of words... I think Kishimoto's parallels are quite clear on their own right, but some people just refuse to accept the facts.

Parallels are not so much about similarities, (unless they are pointed out, such as Kushina-Sakura in 631) but more so about the pattern of continuous events. Kushina and Sakura's lovestory are set up so similarily, it can not be a coincidence. Sakura's parallels all represent different parts of her lovestory.

[Inferno180]

Thats the good thing about the parallels though, similar but different. I mean even with Naruto being liked to Ashura from the Sage, they still have their differences, I mean Ashura wasn't a jinchurki but had the ability to use tailed beast chakra, I mean given being the direct son of the sage, he was born with his own aspects of tailed beast powers which is why we see this tailed beast like mode he possessed, now this makes me wonder, if both naruto and gaara had not become jinchurki, how would their powers have turned out, they would have inherited some tailed beast energy, I think naruto would be just like the gold and silver brothers in terms of power if his parents were not killed.

 

But thats the advantage for NS at this point, it has an acnchored aspect of similarities between Sakura and Kushina and how things started from how they intially saw naruto/minato respectively.

 

Really if some moment comes in the future or possibly with the wake up scene, she acts in some way to him like the aftermath of the pain invasion, fans will do this:

 

Either react like how the heck is this possible (because sakura surely will never get over sasuke) or they will say its just again, a red herring or not mutual or somehow even anti.

 

Seriously, as time moves on and we get closer to the wake up scene, this wait is making us axnoius but its making haters just insane with discontent that hinata is just vanished and sakura isnt going to sasuke anytime soon.