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[Slextrem]

Funny that you only posted quotes from our fandom.
I'm not going to argue with you slextrem but the main problem is not us is them, they always came when there's a Nh moment, picking up thread like "Why Naruhina is 100% to be canon" if this is not type of baiting to start kittens then i dont know what it is.

I respect their pairing preference but i only wanted them to respect mine preference.

Yeah, I did that on purpose, if you couldn't tell. Some people in our fandom can't see the bullying from our side, so I thought I would highlight examples for them. Also, if you read through what I had to say, I mentioned that it's not just our fandom. The NaruHina and SasuSaku fandoms are just as guilty. However, if you disapprove of how they treat our fandom so much, why treat others the same way? It doesn't make any sense to me.

Bolded: This whole finger pointing thing is getting really old.

Come on slex. As the author of the first and second quote I will only say this. I stand by it. Whats with the colored text? Why not use black like everyone else?

As far as everything else goes... We just don`t see eye to eye. Yes theres a rule about tolerating and accepting oposing fandoms on the forum. But do we really have to be all angelic and perfect all the time? Why cant we just laugh at the expence of NH/SS sometimes without feeling bad. We are not perfect and neither are them. But do we really have to pretend that we are? How many of you guys laughed at my Hinata related dialogs. To those of you who did you did so because she has flaws and so do her fans. Different flaws than Sakura and us but still flaws.

So why should we always keep our cool and be the nice guys on the defencive if Crimson is the first nice NH fan ive seen here?

So thats my point of view. I will never go and say kitten YOU to them but that doesn`t mean that I will not ocassionaly make some clean fun.

Look, there's nothing wrong with a joke here and there, but flat out mocking another fandom isn't what I would call innocent fun.

There have been a lot of nice NaruHina/SasuSaku fans that have joined this site. I enjoy talking with them when they do, and I don't appreciate seeing people from my fandom banning together to bully them. It's not fair and a lot of the "clean fun" comments that are made about them aren't funny. The first time, fine, but after the tenth attack on a person, it's no longer a joke.

Edited by Slextrem, 09 April 2013 - 04:08 PM.

[Sakamaki Izayoi]

Yeah, I did that on purpose, if you couldn't tell. Some people in our fandom can't see the bullying from our side, so I thought I would highlight examples for them. Also, if you read through what I had to say, I mentioned that it's not just our fandom. The NaruHina and SasuSaku fandoms are just as guilty. However, if you disapprove of how they treat our fandom so much, why treat others the same way? It doesn't make any sense to me.

Bolded: This whole finger pointing thing is getting really old.

I know there's bullying on our side 64 cover is a proof of this but i seriously dont see a NH or SS fan coming here to discuss a chapter or something related to it it's always pairing debates which leads to kittens.
I dont treat them on the same when NS moment happens i dont go the their forums or FC to say "NS is going to be canon".

THye already proved my statement when almost 100% come here with an excuse "i feel bothered the way you guys think about hinata" or better i fell bothered because you guys screamed that NS is canon" why they dont just ignore and move on with their lives?.
Which also happened on 64 cover with some fans felt bothered because NH fans claimed that NH was canon.

This is annoying.

Edited by Dαrkrєrsŧ, 09 April 2013 - 04:06 PM.

[Akashi]

Yeah, I did that on purpose, if you couldn't tell. Some people in our fandom can't see the bullying from our side, so I thought I would highlight examples for them. Also, if you read through what I had to say, I mentioned that it's not just our fandom. The NaruHina and SasuSaku fandoms are just as guilty. However, if you disapprove of how they treat our fandom so much, why treat others the same way? It doesn't make any sense to me.

Bolded: This whole finger pointing thing is getting really old.

Exactly. Someone has to put an end to this meaningless hate/bashing. Why can't NS fans be the ones who ends this stupid "war" or something?
We've always been good guys, ppl, that's what always made me proud to be a part of this fandom.

[Gravenimage]

Funny that you only posted quotes from our fandom.
I'm not going to argue with you slextrem but the main problem is not us is them, they always came when there's a Nh moment, picking up thread like "Why Naruhina is 100% to be canon" if this is not type of baiting to start kittens then i dont know what it is.

I respect their pairing preference but i only want for them to respect mine preference nonetheless.

Slex I will have to agree with Darkcrest. Whenever there's a chapter that points to NH, fans from said fandom create an account on this forum and start bombarding us like" NS is dead it's over NH FTW" or" give up NS never stood a chance". The latest example of this was when 615 was released I remember there were a few new members who were NH fans who were only wrecking havoc within the NS fandom and only wanted to annoy us to death. Not to mention make the NS fans who are feeling unsure if the pairing will happen to have doubts completely and eventually jump ships. I have always seen it and it gets very tiring those NH fans obviously were banned because they eventually jump to bashing disrespecting members. It's like NH fans are always keeping an eye for this forum and whenever there's a chapter with possible NHness they will emerge and start attacking us. There are only very few NH fans I've met in my life who are very respectful and they're fun to have a debate with.

Don't get me wrong I don't mind if NH or SS fans create an account on this forum. They can debate their ideas and views of their favorite pairing but there's a limit to it. As long as they don't cross the line like I said above^ then everything will be fine.

Edited by Gravenimage, 09 April 2013 - 04:18 PM.

[StrikerTheNoble]

I know there's bullying on our side 64 cover is a proof of this but i seriously dont see a NH or SS fan coming here to discuss a chapter or something related to it it's always pairing debates which leads to kittens.
I dont treat them on the same when NS moment happens i dont go the their forums or FC to say "NS is going to be canon".

THye already proved my statement when almost 100% come here with an excuse "i feel bothered the way you guys think about hinata" or better i fell bothered because you guys screamed that NS is canon" why they dont just ignore and move on with their lives?.
Which also happened on 64 cover with some fans felt bothered because NH fans claimed that NH was canon.

This is annoying.

Unlike some people I actually prefer slow periods on the debate topic. When theres nothing to do we have some fun, share some laughs and poke and tease eachother. Everytime theres a NH moment to discuss stuff gets nasty and jumps 2 pages and hour. It`s not as fun. Also what is not fun is watching a really well made NS video but seeing it get thumbs down because its not NH. And we all know what the comments are.

It`s really sad that Sakura get`s called a B everytime she does something that should be praised and rewarded and when Hinata does a mediocer suicide attempt with a good purpose (she meant well but with the intel she had its the best way to describe it) she gets the keys to the city. Why can`t they just leave her alone. NH or no NH she`s still a great character. Unlike some characters there`s much more to her than romantic pairings.

@Graveimage Deidara said it best. Even Buda looses it`s patience.

Edited by StrikerTheNoble, 09 April 2013 - 04:15 PM.

[TouKen4Life3g]

Slex I will have to agree with Darkcrest. Whenever there's a chapter that points to NH, fans from said fandom create an account on this forum and start bombarding us like" NS is dead it's over NH FTW" or" give up NS never stood a chance". The latest example of this was when 615 was released I remember there were a few new members who were NH fans who were only wrecking havoc within the NS fandom and only wanted to annoy us to death. Not to mention make the NS fans who are feeling unsure if the pairing will happen to have doubts completely and eventually jump ships. I have always seen it and it gets very tiring those NH fans obviously were banned because they eventually jump to bashing disrespecting members. It's like NH fans are always keeping an eye for this forum and whenever there's a chapter with possible NHness they will emerge and start attacking us. There are only very few NH fans I've met in my life who are very respectful and they're fun to have a debate with.

Don't forget one person actually told us to put a bullet in our head. That was extremely uncalled for. Look, I respect them if they show me respect. Although, I still respect them, just won't bash them to death or anything like that. I don't stoop to their level. I will be like, "Ok then..." rather than waste my time with talk.

Also, someone in NF actually message Don-Kun about NH and prove that they are lurking our fandom. He/she calls it "A gift". That's rude.

[Slextrem]

I know there's bullying on our side 64 cover is a proof of this but i seriously dont see a NH or SS fan coming here to discuss a chapter or something related to it it's always pairing debates which leads to kittens.
I dont treat them on the same when NS moment happens i dont go the their forums or FC to say "NS is going to be canon".

THye already proved my statement when almost 100% come here with an excuse "i feel bothered the way you guys think about hinata" or better i fell bothered because you guys screamed that NS is canon" why they dont just ignore and move on with their lives?.
Which also happened on 64 cover with some fans felt bothered because NH fans claimed that NH was canon.

This is annoying.

Slex I will have to agree with Darkcrest. Whenever there's a chapter that points to NH, fans from said fandom create an account on this forum and start bombarding us like" NS is dead it's over NH FTW" or" give up NS never stood a chance". The latest example of this was when 615 was released I remember there were a few new members who were NH fans who were only wrecking havoc within the NS fandom and only wanted to annoy us to death. Not to mention make the NS fans who are feeling unsure if the pairing will happen to have doubts completely and eventually jump ships. I have always seen it and it gets very tiring those NH fans obviously were banned because they eventually jump to bashing disrespecting members. It's like NH fans are always keeping an eye for this forum and whenever there's a chapter with possible NHness they will emerge and start attacking us. There are only very few NH fans I've met in my life who are very respectful and they're fun to have a debate with.

Except that not all of them come here to mock us. Some genuinely want to discuss the series and will do so in a respectful way, so long as they're being treated with the same respect. Moriarty, Crimson, and Poison, for example. We've established that none of them came here to shove NaruHina in our face. They just want to discuss the series with us to see what our take is, but when we act with hostility towards them, can you blame them for being hostile in return?

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Here we go. The same people that the message is always directed towards have begun "justifying" their actions. This happens every time...

Edited by Slextrem, 09 April 2013 - 04:20 PM.

[六道仙人]

guys, we don't need to create some discord here because of us and other fans. If a fan of opposite fandom want to come here to debate it's fine.
The important thing is that he doesn't come here in a suspicious manner after a chapter NH/SS (like 615) or to create topics like "Why NS is dead and NH is canon" or say things like "Put a bullet in your heads" ...

Personally I quit off years ago about debating since I noticed that was only a total waste of time. Everyone has their ownes pow.

Edited by 六道仙人, 09 April 2013 - 04:19 PM.

[tricksie]

Wuhuu! Hi, people-s. Been a while.


So it says on the rules but anyone can see that that rule is never enforced. Right now in the movie thread there are many users outright mocking and laughing at SS and NH fans. And that is just one example. Bashing of the characters (Sasuke, Hinata, Sakura) is something that happens all the time as well, in fact right on this page there is a user who is saying that Sakura should be killed for not loving Naruto. Totally, dude, totally. Now bashing fictional characters is usually pretty silly but hey, at least they are not real people with real feelings. Bashing Kishi is damn dumb but it is not like Kishi is reading this forum and sobbing into his morning cereals because of all Teh Mean. Bashing other fans, now that is something that should stop. My own honest impression of this forum is that it seems to be on some endless bashing trip, only the target changes. This bashing has basically been allowed to go on for too long and now it is pretty much impossible to control it anymore. The result: this.

I have made it perfectly clear how I feel about the most of the users here. Everybody knows that I don't like most of you (you all must be so upset at that) and I think that some of you are extremely arrogant and incapable of having a good debate. I think you, Slextrem, and users like AzureWaters, are starting to feel like that as well, though I don't want to put words into your mouths. I had very little desire to debate the Naruto pairings in the first place, which is why I have lurked so long, and after actually trying it, well, I would rather hit my head against the wall than try again. My head hurts less that way. I don't really agree with you and AzureWaters on your pairing opinions but seeing your attempts to tackle the endless bashing etc are appreciated by me. I'm so proud of you. (No, seriously. Thanks for at least trying.)

Ah, poison. Again, if you were concerned about "bashing" you would be hitting that report button wouldn't you? Instead you post in the debate thread to...wait for it...not debate about the manga, but to tell the NS fandom how bad they are.

Quit wasting our time. This site is open to any shippers bringing fair and honest debate. Not to trolls.

[Akashi]

Don't forget one person actually told us to put a bullet in our head. That was extremely uncalled for. Look, I respect them if they show me respect. Although, I still respect them, just won't bash them to death or anything like that. I don't stoop to their level. I will be like, "Ok then..." rather than waste my time with talk.

Also, someone in NF actually message Don-Kun about NH and prove that they are lurking our fandom. He/she calls it "A gift". That's rude.

If you can't come up with a good comment to NS-bashing post, I guess it's better no to comment, just ignore and forgive those ppl. It's pretty helpful to turn your computer off, read some book or take a walk, just relax. It's not like their opinion or for that matter our own will affect the story somehow. If NS becomes canon this will be the biggest punishment to those people. Stay pure.

[Gravenimage]

Except that not all of them come here to mock us. Some genuinely want to discuss the series and will do so in a respectful way, so long as they're being treated with the same respect. Moriarty, Crimson, and Poison, for example. We've established that none of them came here to shove NaruHina in our face. They just want to discuss the series with us to see what our take is, but when we act with hostility towards them, can you blame them for being hostile in return?

And there are only a few who are passable and cool to talk with. I'm not saying that all of them are like that. Anyway let's stay on topic everyone.

Edited by Gravenimage, 09 April 2013 - 04:22 PM.

[TouKen4Life3g]

If you can't come up with a good comment to NS-bashing post, I guess it's better no to comment, just ignore and forgive those ppl. It's pretty helpful to turn your computer off, read some book or take a walk, just relax. It's not like their opinion or for that matter our own will affect the story somehow. If NS becomes canon this will be the biggest punishment to those people. Stay pure.

I know. But lately, people we have now who is other pairing fans are really nice and respectful, so I have no problem at all. I am happy for that. Anyway, tomorrow is a new chapter, so anyone would like to guess what is Sasuke's decision?

[tricksie]

Just a general reminder: please lay off walls of multicolor/bold text. I've seen it cropping up here and there, and it was mentioned a few posts up. It's ok for emphasis, you know. But not as the primary method of posting. thx guys.

[Shadow1275]

Just because you personally don't bash does not mean that the whole fandom doesn't bash. There are good and bad NS fans just like there are good and bad NH fans. Darkherst, you may not attack NH forums when a major NS moment happens, but you can only speak for yourself. My main point is that if you see something that looks like character or user bashing, call the person out on it. Striker made fun of Hinata, Slex called him out on it, Striker apologized, end of story. Our fandom isn't perfect, but if we make it clear that that kind of bashing is un-acceptable then it will be less likely to happen.

Did someone really tell you guys to put a bullet in your heads??????

@NaruSaku4Life
It doesn't seem to me like Sasuke's mind is going to change considering Hasharima's betrayal of Madara. Though I think the next chapter might shift to Tsunade because she has been lying on the ground cut in half for a long time now.

Edited by Shadow1275, 09 April 2013 - 04:37 PM.

[sushi.]

I agree with Slextrem. : )

I don't like bashing at all, but I don't see how "bashing" and "pairing of choice" is connected.

[Sakamaki Izayoi]

Except that not all of them come here to mock us. Some genuinely want to discuss the series and will do so in a respectful way, so long as they're being treated with the same respect. Moriarty, Crimson, and Poison, for example. We've established that none of them came here to shove NaruHina in our face. They just want to discuss the series with us to see what our take is, but when we act with hostility towards them, can you blame them for being hostile in return?

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Here we go. The same people that the message is always directed towards have begun "justifying" their actions. This happens every time...

I have to disagree, i'm not going to give Name but those users were all nice about, one of them basically said "NH > NS" and the argument was "deal with it".
The rest was double standards.

All of them have something in common joined the forum during the 64 cover thread.

Edited by Dαrkrєrsŧ, 09 April 2013 - 04:37 PM.

[Slextrem]

Did someone really tell you guys to put a bullet in your heads??????

Yes, a troll made an account after the Volume 64 Cover was released and said that "NS needs a bullet in the head" and they described the fandom as a cult. Horrid, I know.
Now some are using that example to justify their own behavior.

[Derock]

Did someone really tell you guys to put a bullet in your heads??????

Not really to the members, but towards this fandom itself. And that person was talking about how NaruSaku was dominating the 18+ areas and couldn't stand it. I gave him the boot outta here.

[Don-kun]

…But we don’t bully or anything. We're the nice guys, right?

Of course it's not everyone, Don-kun, and I'm not trying to say that I'm better than everyone else. I used to make videos where I would flat out bash NaruHina shippers. I'm just as guilty as anyone else, but I've learned that I don't want to be that kind of person anymore. That's why all of those videos were removed. I'm ashamed of them.

I like to participate on this site and I've met a lot of really cool people, but I don't want to associate with a group that points fingers at others while turning a blind eye to their own actions. Like I said, it's not everyone. In fact, it's usually the same bunch of people, (and of course the message always seems to fly over their heads)... But I generalize when I make posts like these because I think it's important for all of us to reflect on our actions.

And yes, there are members of the other side that are guilty of this too and have probably said worse, but why stoop to their level? If we don't like how they treat us, why treat others the same way? Is that really fair?

I never said that we are the nice guys, I said we are fans so we should behave as such, non of the Quote you sited have any personal insult, aren't we the delusional group that refuse to accept NS is dead? Aren't we the ones that are called by the name Zombie? Aren't we the ones who support a character that is called b and abusive? that's part of the game for other fans but NS fans should be nice, come on.

Some member here where joking around with that user, no one was insulting him personally, so calling a FC embarrassment is very rude, generalize is also rude. If there is someone that is acting out of his way them PM him I also do that when is needed, I don't understand why you need to bring down the fandom, NS fans are not special and every fandom has his passionate members.

I'm pretty sure that me ass well of you would never enter a NH/SS FC to talk about NS, Never, if only your 615 review made you feel sad, going there will make you feel a lot worst, so please could you cool down with the calling out other members because it isn't nice at all. Worst when the other side is coming here on a NS dedicated FC to bash Sakura, bash the FC and his member, flame baiting, etc, so not only our side is guilty, both sides are guilty.

So Slextrem, there is nothing as a friendly debate something you know very well and worst when it comes to two sides who strongly dislikes both sides opinions, people don't come here to debate friendly they come to flame bait, Why I believe NH is 100% canon? is flame bait, why I believe SS is inevitable and NS fans are delusional? is also flame bait, What will Kishimoto need to do so the NS fans can stop being so delusional and accept that their pairing is dead? is another flame bait, so please look at both sides.

[Slextrem]

So Slextrem, there is nothing as a friendly debate something you know very well and worst when it comes to two sides who strongly dislikes both sides opinions, people don't come here to debate friendly they come to flame bait, Why I believe NH is 100% canon? is flame bait, why I believe SS is inevitable and NS fans are delusional? is also flame bait, What will Kishimoto need to do so the NS fans can stop being so delusional and accept that their pairing is dead? is another flame bait, so please look at both sides.

"...so please look at both sides."

And yes, there are members of the other side that are guilty of this too and have probably said worse, but why stoop to their level? If we don't like how they treat us, why treat others the same way? Is that really fair?

Also, if you read through what I had to say, I mentioned that it's not just our fandom. The NaruHina and SasuSaku fandoms are just as guilty.

I repeat:

Bolded: This whole finger pointing thing is getting really old.