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[Poison_In_Your_Coffee]

I think this is the problem, why dont accept that we like NS and have our arguments?
No one here is forcing you to ship NaruSaku you accepted to come here and debate basically trying to prove that SS or NH is better than NS and NS fans doing the same.
I think NH and SS are welcome here but really should avoid debating NH/SS vs NS because none of them sides will accept other opinions it's not the bas atmosphere it's that none of the sides will concede or even accept arguments and claims for other sides.
We know you like SS but what's the point of debating over it, what are you trying to prove?

THere's no innocent people over here, both sides are wrong, NH/SS fans that feel bothered because we ship NS and NS fans who feel bothered by NH/SS people coming here trying to argue that their pairing is better generating kittens.

I don't really understand why you think that I don't accept your shipping preferences. It is not like I have ever tried to force you at gunpoint to change your ship. What do you think that us SS and Nh shippers are supposed to do here on this forum other than debate with you? We have our own ships and some of us sometimes are interested in debating with NS shippers for variety of different reasons. There is nothing wrong with that. Mocking, bashing and laughing at others and perhaps also being too aggressive in your opinions, now those things are wrong. Both sides have been guilty of these things, you are right about that.

Also. What also is wrong is you questions motives of people posting here. I am a SS fan and yes, I post here, guilty as charged. I don't really have to explain my motives to you. (Tough I have explained in the past. Multiple times.) This kind of questining is part of what creates the hostile atmosphere of this forum. This is even called debate thread. Why bother having one at all if debate isn't really allowed?

Hey Poison-chan, long time.

Question: What's your opinion of SasuKarin? Would you like it as an alternative if SasuSaku didn't happen?

I like SasuKarin but prefer SasuSaku. I basically think those too pairings are very similar and don't understand those claims that they are not. I would probably like SasuKarin but I don't want it to happen at the expense of SS.

what do you think about obirin?

Not my thing.

Edit. I'm pretty much going to go now. I really am not interested in debating everything again. I just wanted to express my support for those of you that are starting to object to all the bashing etc. around here.

Edited by Poison_In_Your_Coffee, 09 April 2013 - 02:52 PM.

[Sakamaki Izayoi]

I don't really understand why you think that I don't accept your shipping preferences. It is not like I have ever tried to force you at gunpoint to change your ship. What do you think that us SS and Nh shippers are supposed to do here on this forum other than debate with you? We have our own ships and some of us sometimes are interested in debating with NS shippers for variety of different reasons. There is nothing wrong with that. Mocking, bashing and laughing at others and perhaps also being too aggressive in your opinions, now those things are wrong. Both sides have been guilty of these things, you are right about that.

Also. What also is wrong is you questions motives of people posting here. I am a SS fan and yes, I post here, guilty as charged. I don't really have to explain my motives to you. (Tough I have explained in the past. Multiple times.) This kind of questining is part of what creates the hostile atmosphere of this forum. This is even called debate thread. Why bother having one at all if debate isn't really allowed?

This is my point why debate after all if it's not to try to prove something?
What's the point of shipping debates other than trying to prove that pairing A is better than pairing B.


"Interested in debating with NS shippers for variety of different reasons" i only see people here briging personal opinions and putting double standard logic into an arguments this is not debate.
People coming here and saying "i feel bothered by...", or come here when there's a NH moment.
Mocking,bashing and laughing it's a resulte of countless post that none of the sides cant write "agree to disagree" and then move on.
What creates the hostile atmosphere is pointless arguing from both sides, i only see NH coming with the same arguments and repeating it over and over again, then start sayign that the website sucks and then comes with "everyone is hostile i'm superior", and Ns fans that simply cant ignore after all of this and then replies and replies ot a point that some even start crossing the line and insult. i've seen this a lot of times here, there was even a guy that came here and said that we needed to take a bullet on the head which was pratically a demonstration of the innability to accept different views.

Also debate is when someome claims an stuff and present with an argument then later someome replies and the person or agree to disagree or accept but this is what i dont see here.
What i see presents an argument rarely put an evidence, someome replies back and the person insist with it or just pretend that no one responded.

This is the reason why i give up debating NH/SS vs NS because seriously does not make sense to me anymore.

Edited by Dαrkrєrsŧ, 09 April 2013 - 02:58 PM.

[StrikerTheNoble]

OK guys. Don`t take this the wrong way (especially you slex ) Im not saying this to be a jerk, basher, mean or whatever. I am just interested:

Why are you guys (NH/SS) here? This forums accepts everybody and I am ok with that but I just don`t understand why you are here. I personaly came here to chat about NS and Sakura since I am a big fan. And this is the type of community that allows me to do so. But I really don`t see what you gain from this. You can debate the pairings just as well at general forums. And if you guys like to discuss why you like Hinata wouldn`t it be better to do it on a NH/SS forum where people would agree with you?

It`s just my opinion. I don`t mean to be rude.

[redragon88]

I like SasuKarin but prefer SasuSaku. I basically think those too pairings are very similar and don't understand those claims that they are not. I would probably like SasuKarin but I don't want it to happen at the expense of SS.

The difference is more about how Karin is more opinionated than Sakura when it comes to talking to Sasuke, therefore their dynamics are more fun to watch. Then there's teases about how Karin might be particularly important to Sasuke. Of course, for now it's mostly speculative.

You have things as a cover of Karin which mentions "The kunoichi Sasuke has acknowledged as the strongest", you have Tobi mentioning Karin as "Sasuke's favorite", and I think the people's favorite is how Sasuke awakened his enton jutsu (controlling the amateratsu flames), an ability unique to him, in order to save Karin back in the Killer Bee fight. That's just a few examples of the top of my head. Oh, you also recently have Suigetsu teasing about that pairing as well.

[rocci]

i don't like when people play victim card

[Sakamaki Izayoi]

The difference is more about how Karin is more opinionated than Sakura when it comes to talking to Sasuke, therefore their dynamics are more fun to watch. Then there's teases about how Karin might be particularly important to Sasuke. Of course, for now it's mostly speculative.

You have things as a cover of Karin which mentions "The kunoichi Sasuke has acknowledged as the strongest", you have Tobi mentioning Karin as "Sasuke's favorite", and I think the people's favorite is how Sasuke awakened his enton jutsu (controlling the amateratsu flames), an ability unique to him, in order to save Karin back in the Killer Bee fight. That's just a few examples of the top of my head. Oh, you also recently have Suigetsu teasing about that pairing as well.

Strange that it paralleled to Naruto on his fight with Gaara seeing Sakura struggling he could awaken more chakra in order to kick Gaara's ass and save Sakura, when on Sasuke's fight he managed to control the dark flames to save Karin.

Edited by Dαrkrєrsŧ, 09 April 2013 - 03:05 PM.

[Don-kun]

Sorry Poison_In_Your_Coffee but I don't agree with your point, if any and I mean any NS fan dare to enter a NH FC or SS FC to debated against the users opinions, the first things they will do:
Is he stupid, Just ignore the troll, report his post so that they can ban him, or attacked by the rest of the fandom to a point where the user will leave.

Sadly I invest too much time with this pairing stuff and witnessed how poorly other NS fellow were treated by the opposition to a point where it becomes personal and they also start insulting him and his family members.

Here I don't see anything like that, plus no member is forced to take any NH/SS fan argument serious if they don't want to.
So no this community respect the other members here even when they have different opinions, because they don't use profane language or personal insults, that is why I don't agree with the fact of someone trying to picture a group has guilty when the member of that group are not going over to the SS/NH FC to mess with their opinion and force their views to them and worst insult the whole fandom.

I believe that if a user is not behaving well according to you them PM them and let them know what you think of their behavior, generalizing a fandom of embarrassment is the worst insult you can say to a fandom, no one here is almighty above anyone, no one here is superior to anyone, because at the end of the day we are all fans and we should behave has such.

Edited by Don-kun, 09 April 2013 - 03:06 PM.

[Sakamaki Izayoi]

Sorry Poison_In_Your_Coffee but I don't agree with your point, if any and I mean any NS fan dare to enter a NH FC or SS FC to debated against the users opinions, the first things they will do:
Is he stupid, Just ignore the troll, report his post so that they can ban him, or attacked by the rest of the fandom to a point where the user will leave.

Sadly I invest too much time with this pairing stuff and witnessed how poorly other NS fellow were treated by the opposition to a point where it becomes personal and they also start insulting him and his family members.

Here I don't see anything like that, plus no member is forced to take any NH/SS fan argument serious if they don't want to.
So no this community respect the other members here even when they have different opinions, they don't use profane language, that is why I don't agree with the fact of trying to picture a group has guilty when the member of that group are not going over to the SS/NH FC to mess with their opinion and force their views to them and worst insult the whole fandom.

I believe that if a user is not behaving well according to you them PM them and let them know what you think of their behavior, generalizing a fandom of embarrassment is the worst insult you can say to a fandom, no one here is almighty above anyone, no one here is superior to anyone, because at the end of the day we are all fans and we should behave has such.

Yeah i agree, it comes to a point that if some "NH" moment happens the mods has to prevent new users to join the forum, they came here with no purposes other than start kittens or when feel bothered when we think that Hinata is not perfect.
They could just agree to disagree.

[HauntedCake]

Bashing of the characters (Sasuke, Hinata, Sakura) is something that happens all the time as well, in fact right on this page there is a user who is saying that Sakura should be killed for not loving Naruto. Totally, dude, totally. Now bashing fictional characters is usually pretty silly but hey, at least they are not real people with real feelings.

You see, when i said i think she should be put on death row that was my >>>OPINION<<<. Quite frankly some of the things she does is criminal anyway.

That aside, i won't bother arguing with you. Your just here to wind people up.

[TouKen4Life3g]

@Poison_In_Your_Coffee: Sorry that you feel that way. Sometimes, we can get a bit rowdy. It doesn't help when people are in the mood that the world believe NS is 100% dead, so it's like we have to defend with everything we got. Again, sorry.

The difference is more about how Karin is more opinionated than Sakura when it comes to talking to Sasuke, therefore their dynamics are more fun to watch. Then there's teases about how Karin might be particularly important to Sasuke. Of course, for now it's mostly speculative.

You have things as a cover of Karin which mentions "The kunoichi Sasuke has acknowledged as the strongest", you have Tobi mentioning Karin as "Sasuke's favorite", and I think the people's favorite is how Sasuke awakened his enton jutsu (controlling the amateratsu flames), an ability unique to him, in order to save Karin back in the Killer Bee fight. That's just a few examples of the top of my head. Oh, you also recently have Suigetsu teasing about that pairing as well.

I agree. I just don't like the fact people will automatically accuse any one of us who like/support this pairing for the sake of getting rid of SasuSaku. I said it before back in SK FC that I start liking it after recapping, thanks to that wonderful manifesto by Kanae, and decide to wait until their next meeting to tell me if it's possible. I guess it all started back when Karin was revealed as an Uzumaki, so I got curious as you can say. After reviewing the whole pairing potentials (NS, NH, SS, SK), SK doesn't have anything downside, rather an upside. Maybe OoC from Sasuke, but honestly, it can happen over epilogue that it could be a like shocker moment. Much like Vegeta is the father of Trunks as well as he married to Bulma, or like in Shaman King, the other main character actually got married and to someone no one see it coming, who is a like special side character.

As I'm still waiting on the next reunion, I'm in between for now. Lastly, like Don-Kun said before, it's not like we need this pairing to make NS to work, which I agree. I just want to let anyone know that we can like other pairings because well, we just do, not like trying to make one canon. I hope anyone can understand.

[rocci]

@Poison_In_Your_Coffee: Sorry that you feel that way. Sometimes, we can get a bit rowdy. It doesn't help when people are in the mood that the world believe NS is 100% dead, so it's like we have to defend with everything we got. Again, sorry.


I agree. I just don't like the fact people will automatically accuse any one of us who like/support this pairing for the sake of getting rid of SasuSaku. I said it before back in SK FC that I start liking it after recapping, thanks to that wonderful manifesto by Kanae, and decide to wait until their next meeting to tell me if it's possible. I guess it all started back when Karin was revealed as an Uzumaki, so I got curious as you can say. After reviewing the whole pairing potentials (NS, NH, SS, SK), SK doesn't have anything downside, rather an upside. Maybe OoC from Sasuke, but honestly, it can happen over epilogue that it could be a like shocker moment. Much like Vegeta is the father of Trunks as well as he married to Bulma, or like in Shaman King, the other main character actually got married and to someone no one see it coming, who is a like special side character.

As I'm still waiting on the next reunion, I'm in between for now. Lastly, like Don-Kun said before, it's not like we need this pairing to make NS to work, which I agree. I just want to let anyone know that we can like other pairings because well, we just do, not like trying to make one canon. I hope anyone can understand.

who is it ? isn't yoh married with anna?

oh ns4g, you and don-kun are member of narutoforum, i think you know the pairing fan situation in that forum and i think i don't want another narutoforum pairing debate thread which always close and open. just opinion

Edited by rocci, 09 April 2013 - 03:21 PM.

[TouKen4Life3g]

who is it ? isn't yoh married wit anna?

Yes. Hold on. I will find the names. It's been a while since I last saw the ending.

Edit: Tao and Iron Maiden Jeanne. They got married.

Edited by NaruSaku4Life3g, 09 April 2013 - 03:24 PM.

[rocci]

Yes. Hold on. I will find the names. It's been a while since I last saw the ending.

Edit: Tao and Iron Maiden Jeanne. They got married.

wait a minute, she is still alive?? guess i should read it after the disappoitnment ending, i mean skip last battle that has been hype over year?

oh and there is another hinata in that manga.

and thanks for the information. go to wiki....

Edited by rocci, 09 April 2013 - 03:28 PM.

[TouKen4Life3g]

wait a minute, she is still alive?? guess i should read it after the disappoitnment ending, i mean skip last battle that has been hype over year?

oh and there is another hinata in that manga.

and thanks for the information. go to wiki....

Oh you mean the final battle? It was going good until the very end, which is anti-climatic. Even so, the epilogue was pretty good as Tao did reveal who he married and everyone was like "WHAT!!!" Yoh and Anna did in fact got married.

[Don-kun]

Yeah i agree, it comes to a point that if some "NH" moment happens the mods has to prevent new users to join the forum, they came here with no purposes other than start kittens or when feel bothered when we think that Hinata is not perfect.
They could just agree to disagree.

You kind of misunderstanding my point, every one here should be free to debate against any pairing fandom is up to the other pairing fan to know where he is currently debating, example: If I like NS why would I feel the need to go over the NH/SS FC to preach my liking and the reason of my liking to a NH/SS fans, I know they don't care so why bother.

So no the Mod shouldn't have the need to Ban any fan from the opposition fandom that should be up to the user to know that no one will agree with his view and he cannot enforce that view on anyone who refuse to see it that way unless he is willing to see the other way too.
Now with that out of the way let me explain what really bothers me.
My Problem relies on insulting the fandom, when the fandom is not obligated to take a user argument serious, the fandom does not have a restriction that says all member should not reply to one user at the same time they all need to pick a time or day they will debate against him.
To me as long that you're not being rude or personally insulting the person, their fandom, or using profane language like Sakura is a B, then you should let it be on stop calling the fandom embarrassment because they think a different way than you do.

That's my problem.

Edited by Don-kun, 09 April 2013 - 03:47 PM.

[Sakamaki Izayoi]

You kind of misunderstanding my point, every one here should be free to debate against any pairing fandom is up to the other pairing fan to know where he is currently debating, example: If I like NS why would I feel the need to go over the NH/SS FC to preach my liking and the reason of my liking to a NH/SS fans, I know they don't care so why bother.

So no the Mod shouldn't have the need to Ban any fan from the opposition fandom that should be up to the user to know that no one will agree with his view and he cannot enforce that view on anyone who refuse to see it that way unless he is willing to see the other way too.
Now with that out of the way let me explain what really bothers me.
My Problem relies on insulting the fandom, when the fandom is not obligated to take a user argument serious, the fandom does not have a restriction that says all member should not reply to one user at the same time they all need to pick a time or day they will debate against him.
To me as long that you're not being rude or personally insulting the person, their fandom, or using profane language like Sakura is a B, then you should let it be on stop calling the fandom embarrassment because they think a different way than you do.

That's my problem.

i'm not saying that the mod should ban all the NH users i think you misunderstood my post recently the mods closed down the registration because of kittens.
they came here because of the 64 cover and some of them even came here saying that we needed to take a bullet on the head.
The whole point of my post is basically what you said why they dont just ignore that we like NS and we dont accept their arguments because we cna counter that.

They came here and is basically i feel bothere because you guys doesnt think Hinata is perfect, i feel bothered because of NS fans claiming that NS was canon and so on...

Edited by Dαrkrєrsŧ, 09 April 2013 - 03:51 PM.

[Slextrem]

Can somebody explain why all NH/SS on this forum use colored text? Is that like an akatsuki thing? Because its getting a bit obnoxious.

Why if they are all banned?

So its basicly a more covert version of WRITTING EVERYTHING IS CAPS SO PEOPLE NOTICE YOU? Crafty fellows arentt they?

I cannot see you winning a debate against anyone of them so just relax and enjoy your time here.

There won't be a Sasuke vs Naruto final fight, because Naruto and Hinata are going to run of to a place no one can bother them.
Wow aren't we bother by that movie?
I was referring to Hinata's claim about Memma being her man so chill out a little with you.

Oh look, it's you.
If you can't even hold a proper debate with me, what makes you think that you can take on an entire forum full of us?
Regardless, welcome to H&E

No, but I know him personally. He tends to pop-up every now and then whenever NH confidence is high, then slink back into his little corner when his arguments get refuted.

There. Also crimson check out the corner for some laughs at your pairing.

Cry SS/NH your tears are DELICOUS muahaha

Haha the NH SS fans got rick roll'd in this movie!!

@Crimson: I wonder If we can turn you into a NaruSaku fan. Most NaruHina fans deny the simple facts regarding the manga like Sakura=Kushina, but I believe it is partly because it hurts to know deep down that something you love is wrong, or can't happen. However, since you're a new fan of NaruHina, you might be able to be changed before the denial part of being a NaruHina fan fully takes you in. Sorry if I offended you, but I think all of us here have seen the denial coming from the NaruHina and SasuSaku fandoms TOO MUCH.

example for NH: We don't care if Kushina said pick someone like herself, Naruto will go for a girl like his father. That is Hinata....

example for SS: Sakura will love Sasuke in the end. Makes complete sense. I mean, I love when guys try to kill me. This pairing will not make Sakura a complete fail at all. Making this pairing will make Sakura happy, because she can finally be with the guy she loved for... looks, and.... uuhhhh.... oh yeah, popularity.

Fun fact: A Sasuke fangirl spent tons of movie to see the movie in Japan, only to be devastated.

Kishi, why you gotta be so mean?

That aside, i won't bother arguing with you. Your just here to wind people up.

…But we don’t bully or anything. We're the nice guys, right?

Of course it's not everyone, Don-kun, and I'm not trying to say that I'm better than everyone else. I used to make videos where I would flat out bash NaruHina shippers. I'm just as guilty as anyone else, but I've learned that I don't want to be that kind of person anymore. That's why all of those videos were removed. I'm ashamed of them.

I like to participate on this site and I've met a lot of really cool people, but I don't want to associate with a group that points fingers at others while turning a blind eye to their own actions. Like I said, it's not everyone. In fact, it's usually the same bunch of people, (and of course the message always seems to fly over their heads)... But I generalize when I make posts like these because I think it's important for all of us to reflect on our actions.

And yes, there are members of the other side that are guilty of this too and have probably said worse, but why stoop to their level? If we don't like how they treat us, why treat others the same way? Is that really fair?

[TouKen4Life3g]

wait a minute, she is still alive?? guess i should read it after the disappoitnment ending, i mean skip last battle that has been hype over year?

oh and there is another hinata in that manga.

and thanks for the information. go to wiki....

Oh wait, are you referring to the ending before the mangaka decided to finish it? Because it took a long time, but the ending definitely have the finale with Hao vs. Yoh and others. Fun until the very end. It's a little...anti-climatic.

[Sakamaki Izayoi]

…But we don’t bully or anything. We're the nice guys, right?

Of course it's not everyone, Don-kun, and I'm not trying to say that I'm better than everyone else. I used to make videos where I would flat out bash NaruHina shippers. I'm just as guilty as anyone else, but I've learned that I don't want to be that kind of person anymore. That's why all of those videos were removed. I'm ashamed of them.

I like to participate on this site and I've met a lot of really cool people, but I don't want to associate with a group that points fingers at others while turning a blind eye to their own actions. Like I said, it's not everyone. In fact, it's usually the same bunch of people, (and of course the message always seems to fly over their heads)... But I generalize when I make posts like these because I think it's important for all of us to reflect on our actions.

And yes, there are members of the other side that are guilty of this too and have probably said worse, but why stoop to their level? If we don't like how they treat us, why treat others the same way? Is that really fair?

Funny that you only posted quotes from our fandom.
I'm not going to argue with you slextrem but the main problem is not us is them, they always came when there's a Nh moment, picking up thread like "Why Naruhina is 100% to be canon" if this is not type of baiting to start kittens then i dont know what it is.

I respect their pairing preference but i only want for them to respect mine preference nonetheless.

Edited by Dαrkrєrsŧ, 09 April 2013 - 03:57 PM.

[StrikerTheNoble]

…But we don’t bully or anything. We're the nice guys, right?

Of course it's not everyone, Don-kun, and I'm not trying to say that I'm better than everyone else. I used to make videos where I would flat out bash NaruHina shippers. I'm just as guilty as anyone else, but I've learned that I don't want to be that kind of person anymore. That's why all of those videos were removed. I'm ashamed of them.

I like to participate on this site and I've met a lot of really cool people, but I don't want to associate with a group that points fingers at others while turning a blind eye to their own actions. Like I said, it's not everyone. In fact, it's usually the same bunch of people, (and of course the message always seems to fly over their heads)... But I generalize when I make posts like these because I think it's important for all of us to reflect on our actions.

And yes, there are members of the other side that are guilty of this too and have probably said worse, but why stoop to their level? If we don't like how they treat us, why treat others the same way? Is that really fair?

Come on slex. As the author of the first and second quote I will only say this. I stand by it. Whats with the colored text? Why not use black like everyone else?

As far as everything else goes... We just don`t see eye to eye. Yes theres a rule about tolerating and accepting oposing fandoms on the forum. But do we really have to be all angelic and perfect all the time? Why cant we just laugh at the expence of NH/SS sometimes without feeling bad. We are not perfect and neither are them. But do we really have to pretend that we are? How many of you guys laughed at my Hinata related dialogs. To those of you who did you did so because she has flaws and so do her fans. Different flaws than Sakura and us but still flaws.

So why should we always keep our cool and be the nice guys on the defencive if Crimson is the first nice NH fan ive seen here?

So thats my point of view. I will never go and say kitten YOU to them but that doesn`t mean that I will not ocassionaly make some clean fun.