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#16181 TouKen4Life3g

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Posted 08 April 2013 - 11:39 PM

QUOTE (Kakashi-Sensei @ Apr 8 2013, 07:21 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Actually i was responding to the NH fan who said that Kishi forgot about Sakura for 2 years. Well , it's true that she didin't have much panel time but the same goes for Hinata who had none except of 615.

Btw i agree with you , Sakura was there during all the pain arc and Hinata only appear at the middle of it happy.gif

Ok that's cool.

QUOTE (Shadow1275 @ Apr 8 2013, 07:25 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Lets face facts, we were so used to Sakura dominating the female panel time that now it only seems like Kishi is ignoring her because he is giving some of his other female characters some spotlight. One thing has remained consistent though, wherever Naruto is concerned Sakura is never far away. Not too mention that Sakura still has a hefty spotlight lead when it comes to all of the female characters.

True but it does happen to a lot of mangas, especially if you're not the main protagonist and/or second main character. Anyway, also remember this arc had focus a lot on all others. Remember day 1 of the war? It was all day side characters minus the Kakashi's bit. Day 2 is still side characters, but Naruto interacts with them as he is getting closures and what not. We still in day 2 though you could argue it's day 3 due to night time. This arc is like the ultimate glorified Immortal arc (manga version).

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Posted 08 April 2013 - 11:45 PM

QUOTE (Shadow1275 @ Apr 8 2013, 08:38 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
True especially heroines like Sakura. Darkrest is right though. He did say that NH has more development then NS. The only thing is he hasn't given any evidence or tried to debate it. Oh well, more time to work on my Marketing paper I guess.

I'm not trying to be an ass but he basically affirmed it said that NH as more development than NS, said that NH has more chances to become canon.
But provided 0 evidence contrasting what he said on the "greetings" thread when he claimed that he come here to debate when mostly of his responses are based on personal opinion with 0 evidence to back up his claims.
I wish at least he try to prove that NH has more development than NS but it's impossible for him to prove that.

Edited by Dαrkrєrsŧ, 08 April 2013 - 11:46 PM.

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Posted 08 April 2013 - 11:45 PM

QUOTE (Branden @ Apr 8 2013, 07:07 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
EDIT: again suprised to see so many people viewing the thread yet not posting :/ perhaps everyone is just catching up on all the the conversation that's been going on?


No reason to post...

nothing in the manga has ever changed my mind about NS so there is nothing to argue, if anyone doesn't see it that is their lookout not mine smile.gif

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Posted 08 April 2013 - 11:49 PM

QUOTE (NaruSaku4Life3g @ Apr 9 2013, 12:39 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Ok that's cool.


True but it does happen to a lot of mangas, especially if you're not the main protagonist and/or second main character. Anyway, also remember this arc had focus a lot on all others. Remember day 1 of the war? It was all day side characters minus the Kakashi's bit. Day 2 is still side characters, but Naruto interacts with them as he is getting closures and what not. We still in day 2 though you could argue it's day 3 due to night time. This arc is like the ultimate glorified Immortal arc (manga version).

Agreed, so far Gaara faced his father, Tsunade was bisected in half, Hinata got her shining moment with Naruto, Neji was cut down, Ino is getting over Sasuke and had a moment with her father. I might not have listed everyone's war moments but I think that it's safe to say that those are the climaxes for those characters. Tsunade's climax however, I think is going to involve Sakura which follows the whole inheriting the Will and sometimes techniques of mentors. I.E. Asuma and Shikamaru, Jiraiya and Naruto=Sage mode etc.

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Posted 08 April 2013 - 11:52 PM

QUOTE (Verilance @ Apr 8 2013, 07:45 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
No reason to post...

nothing in the manga has ever changed my mind about NS so there is nothing to argue, if anyone doesn't see it that is their lookout not mine smile.gif


Now I see why I kind of lost interest in debating, it's because there is nothing new to tall about apart from the usual reminders.

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Posted 08 April 2013 - 11:55 PM

QUOTE (Don-kun @ Apr 8 2013, 04:52 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Now I see why I kind of lost interest in debating, it's because there is nothing new to tall about apart from the usual reminders.

well given that you were here since I assume the previous debate thread it makes sense that you've discussed everything. That said like I've said before the debate threat recently has been turning into a half debate half general discussion thread.

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Posted 08 April 2013 - 11:55 PM

QUOTE (Don-kun @ Apr 8 2013, 08:52 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Now I see why I kind of lost interest in debating, it's because there is nothing new to tall about apart from the usual reminders.

For some reason i feel that we are already on the endgame, there's an huge road for NH to get close to NS development.

Because Naruto and Sakura relationship progressed so far to a point that Sakura is not just a friend or even a comrade things that she wants to do for Naruto and also things that she desires is already from someome who wants to be his wife.
Sakura not only wants to help Naruto also wants Naruto to share responsabilites and burdens with her, which is basically the job of a wife, and also mirrors to that artwork of kishimoto on 616.
What she wants to do for Naruto is more than what she told to Sasuke on her confession on part 1.
NaruHina has a long road to go and it's already to late unless if Kishimoto goes for the asspull route which is the only thing that can make NH canon.

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Posted 09 April 2013 - 12:01 AM

QUOTE (Don-kun @ Apr 8 2013, 07:52 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Now I see why I kind of lost interest in debating, it's because there is nothing new to tall about apart from the usual reminders.


It is true unfortunately we can say what we believe to be true and they can disgree with us, the arguments are always the same each with the firm belief that they are right.

I can say that the movie is an indication of Kishimoto-sensei's intent and thay can say it is just filler and proves nothing

I can say that Sakura has been falling for Naruto since chapter 11 (or 13 I always forget to be honest) and they can say I am wrong

what I believe to be true I can never prove to someone who can't (or refuses) to see it

and arguing with someone who comes here just to troll is pointless and a waste of my own time


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Posted 09 April 2013 - 12:26 AM

QUOTE (Verilance @ Apr 8 2013, 08:01 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
It is true unfortunately we can say what we believe to be true and they can disgree with us, the arguments are always the same each with the firm belief that they are right.

I can say that the movie is an indication of Kishimoto-sensei's intent and thay can say it is just filler and proves nothing

I can say that Sakura has been falling for Naruto since chapter 11 (or 13 I always forget to be honest) and they can say I am wrong

what I believe to be true I can never prove to someone who can't (or refuses) to see it

and arguing with someone who comes here just to troll is pointless and a waste of my own time


In all respect, the reason we advocate Road to Ninja is for 3 reasons,:

1. Kishimoto made it, its the only movie for that matter that actually correlates with his original material, he was able to present enough emotion in the movie between Naruto and his parents mainly but also had some for Naruto and Sakura. He could do this in the manga if he chose.

2. The movie proved the NaruSaku-MinaKush parallel works, its not canon in the manga (yet) but it does show how it can relate perfectly. Just like when Kishi could have made Kushina a shy, lacking confidence, type girl, he could have done the same and had made Hinata the secondary character to Naruto but he did not now did he?

3. The movie proves Naruto and Sakura have a good foundation for a friendship that can also become something more. The relation primarily in this movie is Naruto and his parents, but secondary to that and still shown in abundance is Naruto and Sakuras relationship. Kishi could have focused Naruto and Sasuke but that is the main part on the manga, so who did he do in this one? Not Sasuke and Sakura, not Naruto and Hinata, he did Naruto and Sakura. Sure the movie is non-canon but a movie showing this much between them seems to be enough showing that if this is a movie based off the canon material, then think of this as a side experiment, it successfully proved that Naruto and Sakura have a close friendship that can become something more, Kishi could make NS canon and it would work. If he could do this in a movie that made his editors cry alongside all the parental bonds, he can do it in the manga.

Yeah people can argue its non-canon, but kishi did make it, he proved he can do something between Naruto and Sakura and make it work. If it works in this, it can work in the manga.

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Posted 09 April 2013 - 12:29 AM

QUOTE (Verilance @ Apr 8 2013, 05:01 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
It is true unfortunately we can say what we believe to be true and they can disgree with us, the arguments are always the same each with the firm belief that they are right.

I can say that the movie is an indication of Kishimoto-sensei's intent and thay can say it is just filler and proves nothing

I can say that Sakura has been falling for Naruto since chapter 11 (or 13 I always forget to be honest) and they can say I am wrong

what I believe to be true I can never prove to someone who can't (or refuses) to see it

and arguing with someone who comes here just to troll is pointless and a waste of my own time

Well, I certainly could have used your vocal support when I was trying to express the same thing yesterday. dry.gif
Just kidding.

QUOTE (Crimson @ Apr 8 2013, 02:54 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I'm not going to be presumptuous and assert that Naruto has gotten over his feeling for Sakura until we are presented with on panel confirmation. What I think I can fairly assert is through recent developments, NaruHina is more likely than ever to become canon, would you not agree?


Rather, I'm bothered by the fact that so many NS fans were automatically declaring their pairing canon after the movie, only to have an emotional breakdown over the cover of Vol.64.
Quite fickle, aren't we?
And yes, because 811 pages of people lamenting over the fact that Sakura hasn't been given any screentime for months qualifies as debating skills.

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Posted 09 April 2013 - 12:33 AM

QUOTE (Baguette @ Apr 9 2013, 01:29 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Well, I certainly could have used your vocal support when I was trying to express the same thing yesterday. dry.gif
Just kidding.


Oh look, it's you.
If you can't even hold a proper debate with me, what makes you think that you can take on an entire forum full of us?
Regardless, welcome to H&E sleep.gif

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Posted 09 April 2013 - 12:38 AM

QUOTE (Shadow1275 @ Apr 8 2013, 05:33 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
You know this guy Bag? Was he the Six pager?

No, but I know him personally. He tends to pop-up every now and then whenever NH confidence is high, then slink back into his little corner when his arguments get refuted. happy.gif


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Posted 09 April 2013 - 12:43 AM

QUOTE (Baguette @ Apr 9 2013, 01:38 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
No, but I know him personally. He tends to pop-up every now and then whenever NH confidence is high, then slink back into his little corner when his arguments get refuted. happy.gif

Sounds about right. He sure left in a hurry.

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Posted 09 April 2013 - 03:48 AM

Okay so you used 2 panels from 2 chapters to show NH development. And how many chapters, panels has been done between Naruto and Sakura? Do the math.

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Posted 09 April 2013 - 03:55 AM

QUOTE (Gravenimage @ Apr 9 2013, 03:48 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Okay so you used 2 panels from 2 chapters to show NH development. And how many chapters, panels has been done between Naruto and Sakura? Do the math.


didn't Slex make the whole narusaku development for us? XD

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Posted 09 April 2013 - 03:58 AM

darn I could only find this >:o

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Posted 09 April 2013 - 04:07 AM

QUOTE (merryGOflava @ Apr 8 2013, 07:55 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
didn't Slex make the whole narusaku development for us? XD


Right no need to argue with him.
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Posted 09 April 2013 - 04:07 AM

QUOTE (Crimson @ Apr 9 2013, 04:44 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
If I'm to be honest, a substantial part of my support for NaruHina stems from my like for Hinata, which in itself correlates with my dislike for Sakura.
As much as I've tried to like Sakura for the sake of her status as the series' heroine, her severe lack of development on both the emotional and physical front irks me to no end. Her peak basically came at the beginning of Part 2, where the results of her training were displayed brilliantly. Afterwards, however, it's essentially been a downward slope for her. Not only has she not had a single fight in years, but even worse is her apparent regression in skills and personality.

I might be generalizing a bit here, but:
How exactly does one go from this:
To this:


And how exactly does one go from this:
To this:
Disregarding the fact that she didn't exactly do much during the Sasuke & Sai arc, I held some semblance of respect for her when she tried to stay strong and encourage Naruto at the end. By the Kage Summit, however, she's the one breaking into tears, and Naruto, who's arguably experiencing a lot more stress at that moment, has to be the one to comfort her. What happened? That's not even considering her misleading words of reassurance that "we'll get stronger together"....
The author really dropped the ball with her development there, and that's not even touching upon her ridiculous love for Sasuke.

Which brings me to my relative liking for Hinata. Despite being severely less prominent throughout the series, what development she has has arguably been more consistent than Sakura's. She starts out as a shy girl with a serious lack of confidence, and it is through inspiration from Naruto that she finally begins to stand up for herself, specifically during her fight with Neji. Likewise, it is through his oath made on Hinata's honor, along with his reassuring talk with Hinata prior to the final matches, that Naruto becomes more motivated and attains the drive to defeat Neji. Skipping all the way to the Pain fight, Hinata is driven by her love for Naruto to the point of disregarding all the odds stacked up against her, and fights for what she believes in: Naruto. One might try to discredit her actions in this situation, but Naruto would disagree:
As one can also see, Naruto is the one bringing her out of her slump in this situation. When we skip ahead once again to Ch.615, Hinata comes back around and becomes the one to bring Naruto out of his slump:
The above reason is also why I don't understand when people claim that Hinata's development with Naruto is one-sided. The majority of their development has involved both parties. Their intrinsic similarities have allowed them to further one another's growth, and perhaps that is part of the reason why I feel NaruHina is a more fitting pairing.

First off I'll tackle Sakura's Development:
Now the reason she has not been on the front lines is because of the four edicts set by Tsunade http://www.onemanga....to_manga/577/2/ and the page after that one.

In this page we see that she realizes that a white Zetsu clone was impersonating Neji and then annihilates him in one blowhttp://www.onemanga.me/naruto_manga/540/8/

We also see in the very same chapter the fact that she understands that her love for Sasuke is not a good one because she doesn't react until after the man says "The one you love must be a great man."

Now as for Sakura she is weak in terms of Sasuke yes but that is because Naruto is the only one who can affect Sasuke. Even Kakashi my favorite character has no effect on Sasuke. http://www.onemanga....o_manga/486/10/
In 484-486, we see that the only person who has any kind of effect on Sasuke is Naruto

The only times Sakura is weak is whenever Sasuke is involved.


Now as for Hinata, I agree that she has clear development showing her maturity, However I have to disagree with your theory that she affects Naruto

During her fight with Neji, Naruto does not react until Neji says a loser is always a loser http://www.onemanga....to_manga/78/11/

Then later on after he defeats Neji, he does not mention Hinata at all, but that losers can change http://www.onemanga....o_manga/104/19/

Naruto cares for the fact that Neji doesn't believe a person can change themselves which is what Naruto is trying to do.

After Neji dies and Hinata gives her speech, Naruto is pulled in by the nine-tailed fox. He then says, "But the truth of the matter... Neji is." The fox then says, "If you are gonna SULK LIKE A SCHOOL GIRL" showing that Hinata's speech did not help Naruto out of his depression over Neji. It is not until the fox mentions his parents that he begins to feel better http://www.onemanga....o_manga/615/13/

Then he sees all the people who have sacrificed themselves for him, his parents included, and that is when he overcomes his depression http://www.onemanga....o_manga/615/18/

My two points are that Sakura is not a weak character, only in terms of Sasuke and that though Naruto considers Hinata a friend, her speech does not help him get out of his depression and is therefore one-sided

Edited by Shadow1275, 09 April 2013 - 04:38 AM.

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Posted 09 April 2013 - 04:09 AM

QUOTE (merryGOflava @ Apr 8 2013, 08:58 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
darn I could only find this >:o

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Apparently that link was in responce to this one
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Compare the above link to the NaruSaku Build up Slex so kindly made for us
http://www.narusaku....showtopic=12836

Yeah the amount of development and moments between NH vs NS cannot compare.

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Posted 09 April 2013 - 04:25 AM

QUOTE (Crimson @ Apr 8 2013, 11:44 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
If I'm to be honest, a substantial part of my support for NaruHina stems from my like for Hinata, which in itself correlates with my dislike for Sakura.
As much as I've tried to like Sakura for the sake of her status as the series' heroine, her severe lack of development on both the emotional and physical front irks me to no end. Her peak basically came at the beginning of Part 2, where the results of her training were displayed brilliantly. Afterwards, however, it's essentially been a downward slope for her. Not only has she not had a single fight in years, but even worse is her apparent regression in skills and personality.

I might be generalizing a bit here, but:
How exactly does one go from this:
To this:


And how exactly does one go from this:
To this:
Disregarding the fact that she didn't exactly do much during the Sasuke & Sai arc, I held some semblance of respect for her when she tried to stay strong and encourage Naruto at the end. By the Kage Summit, however, she's the one breaking into tears, and Naruto, who's arguably experiencing a lot more stress at that moment, has to be the one to comfort her. What happened? That's not even considering her misleading words of reassurance that "we'll get stronger together"....
The author really dropped the ball with her development there, and that's not even touching upon her ridiculous love for Sasuke.

Which brings me to my relative liking for Hinata. Despite being severely less prominent throughout the series, what development she has has arguably been more consistent than Sakura's. She starts out as a shy girl with a serious lack of confidence, and it is through inspiration from Naruto that she finally begins to stand up for herself, specifically during her fight with Neji. Likewise, it is through his oath made on Hinata's honor, along with his reassuring talk with Hinata prior to the final matches, that Naruto becomes more motivated and attains the drive to defeat Neji. Skipping all the way to the Pain fight, Hinata is driven by her love for Naruto to the point of disregarding all the odds stacked up against her, and fights for what she believes in: Naruto. One might try to discredit her actions in this situation, but Naruto would disagree:
As one can also see, Naruto is the one bringing her out of her slump in this situation. When we skip ahead once again to Ch.615, Hinata comes back around and becomes the one to bring Naruto out of his slump:
The above reason is also why I don't understand when people claim that Hinata's development with Naruto is one-sided. The majority of their development has involved both parties. Their intrinsic similarities have allowed them to further one another's growth, and perhaps that is part of the reason why I feel NaruHina is a more fitting pairing.


Sasuke is an important factor of development on Naruto AND Sakura, its one of the key reasons for their development, hence this is why many of us here feel that Sakura in her development will actually mature away from Sasuke, she won't remain static otherwise kishi just ruins her whole development.

One of the things is that Sakura is the heroine, but that's just it the series is an action series but that does not mean every character in an action series must be located in some type of central battles. This includes heroes and heroines from time to time, if there is anything that Sakura is at this point, she is a mentally developed character not a physically developed one, part of this is due to how Kishi said he would keep Sakura within the realm of normality, she was not noted to get some major powerup like Naruto and Sasuke, its due to Naruto being a jinchurki and uzumaki clan member and Sasuke being an Uchiha they get their power boosts, Sakura's progress however is the dynamic of how she effects Naruto and others and how they effect her, her focus in the story is one who tries to find insight and perspective on the world around her as it goes by, that is an example of what a mentally developed character does, likewise Naruto and Sasuke take on the simple power up over come role, they are mostly physically developed but gain a new mentality for the reasons in fighting as the story progresses. Sakura's role can be compared to someone like Bulma from the first Dragonball series, she was not a fighter, she was a tech expert but she was still the heroine of the series, she had her role and limited when it came to fighting but she is still the most prominent female character, though this was cut a lot in dragonball z.

Also there are a few things you should know about Sakura, design and character wise:
-Kishimoto designed Sakura to display human weakness, the only other character to display this along her was Lee. Sakura displayed a mental weakness when it came to certain things, she experienced this many times from the forest of death to the team 7 reunion. One of her weaknesses is her lack of judgement in the same way Naruto has a weakness for not being the smartest and Sasuke for having a superiority and inferiority complex. Its a mental weakness that she has experienced yet its what keeps her character in a dramatic portion of the story. Lee himself is the embodiment of physical weakness in the naruto world, he is the only known one who cannot use any ninja techniques and so he is only strong due to his peak physical conditioning and the 8 gates, Lee is all physical.

-Sakura represents the best of what a normal person could be in the Naruto world yet she is above average, she represents what a good enough person can become. Others without any real clan or special powers include Minato and Jiraiya, otherwise normal, as Sakura represents what someone can become, Minato and Jiriaya represent the pinnicle of skill in the ninja world anyone can reach, even if they are normal.

-Sakura is a medic first, fighter second. She fights when its appropriate or nessessary. As a medic Sakura was taught not to simply heal, being a medical ninja means dodging enemy attacks and learning their attack patterns so they cannot hit the medic and prevent them from healing, basically being a medical ninja means keeping yourself alive. Even then Sakura has good analytical skills and knowledge of the human body so she knows the vital points. She is not as skilled in analyzing stuff as Shikamaru but she still displayed this analytical skill in discovering how Obito's phase power worked in the itachi pursuit arc and how finding zetsu neji. Sakura has not had a fight in a long time but still has the skills she learned and displays them from time to time.

-Sakura has not had much panel time but then again, who has? Its been a long war arc, Kishi introduced so many characters in the 5 kage summit, he had to chop up and give a small amount of time to so many people, this included people from the lore like Hanzo and yet give others so minor like Mifune a bit of time for a battle, this also included Durai and the gold and silver brothers, you get the point, we were stuck in so many shifts for the war arc. Even then we had a good portion of last year dedicated to Kabuto with a flashback after his fight with Itachi and Sasuke. The war arc diverted so many scenes and gave so many events from those minor like mentioned before to development critical to others like team 10 and gaara. Even Naruto himself has been sidelined numerous times in past arcs.

there is one thing Kishi actually failed at immensely, its just plain giving enough screentime to just about any female fighter. Aside from Tsunade, any female with actual skill like Anko, Yugito, Temari, Tenten, and Sakura, he just did not give it, it was a missed opportunity. I agree, he could have done more with this, yet its only due to fillers we actually see more fights with the konha 11 at least, this means we at least see more fights for others like Sakura, Ino, and yes Hinata to take place in, sadly for Hinata this is the only realm she fights in, she has practically no fights of anything major in the manga, and sadly in her 2 fights she loses, badly, not trying to ruin anything or provoke you but that is what Hinata has been in the manga, an abuse taker. Sakura has her Sasori fight and zetsu reveal, both of which gave 2 important plot elements, even on Narutos part.

Kishi could have done more with Sakura, I mean it would have been neat if in the Sasuke and Sai arc, she faced Kabuto, that would have been neat but she was sidelined. Kishi could have made time for Sakura and Sai to aid Shikamaru in fighting Hidan but cut it short so Shikamaru could win. Pain was all Naruto due to his orders for everyone to stay back save Hinata who ran in there. But as Sakura lost time for potential fighting, sadly Hinata suffers more, just for lack of screentime. In so much of the downtime between fights and arcs, there was time when Kishi could have put Hinata in but he chose mainly Naruto AND Sakura for these times, Hinata usually vanished for nearly 50 chapters till we either just see her for a short time or she got a small moment. If there is anything that does not help Hinata, she is not even in 100 chapters of a 600 plus chapter manga. This is what I personally see harder for Hinata to be considered major to the plot, I'm sorry but thats just how it is, look at part 1, she has one arc of importance, the chunin exams and then vanishes basically for the rest of part one, nothing major. Part 2 she does nothing until pain, and even then kishi could have killed her off without impacting the story overall, it would have let Naruto know what it would have been like to loose a friend much eariler if he chose to gave Hinata the axe. Hinata can have a bigger role in 615 but its still overall limited, this late in the series, it would just rush NH if anything, it would be too crammed and underdeveloped and just upsurp a lot of story elements. Bee appeared even less than Hinata yet he has a much more important role than she did. 2 major characters who are very important are Tsunade and Shikamaru, if kishi did more with Hinata like he did to these 2, many including me would consider her a major character but for all purposes, she is still a minor character, not being present for 1/6th of the story is not going to help in the long run. There are more NS moments than hinata even appears, thats just the short answer many of us here see.

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