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[StriderC]

I'm sorry if this goes off topic, but I need to get something off of my chest:

This is in regards to my video about 615. I'm beginning to remember why I stopped uploading videos in the first place. My head felt like exploding after dealing with all of the personal attacks, hypocrisy, and bias arguments. Some guy is trying to pick a fight over my perspective of the chapter, as if it's going to prove something. He believes the hand holding is a sign of Naruto's love for Hinata, which is fine. He can believe whatever he wants. Personally, I don't see NaruHina as cannon yet because we haven't been given Naruto's perspective, though I admit it has a higher possibility of becoming cannon.

What I find golden is, he first tells me I'm bias (which I've already acknowledged several times), and then he sends me this:

http://www.narutofor...p;postcount=535

...and follows up with this:

... --Click here to view--

That was more of a rant to me and you really just tried to make excuses for NS. To some how happen.Funny.

That hand holding and never letting go says Naruto's P.O.V about the situation he really isn't as dense as he leads on you know.
Or how you make him out to be

And if Sakura does choose Naruto he would just be a second choice, just out of pity.

Do not bring up data books, just the manga and just face it NS got trolled over in 469 by BOTH Naruto and Sakura(her lying about "loving" Naruto and Naruto seeing straight through her BS lie) I'd say he's lost respect for her after that.

And you know Naruto would just be a plan b for Sakura and lets say Sasuke does die I'm sure Naruto wouldn't even think of getting with Sakura after that and it would just be forcing them together and that is not love.


Yes. Sakura DOES love Sasuke NOT Naruto, and do not bring up that lie of a confession as being genuine because it was not.

The hypocrisy is so overwhelming, I can't even... I've already told him, I'm not interested in a fight, (sorry, "debate"), the purpose behind my video was to share my perspective of the chapter and raise a few points as to why, as a NaruSaku fan, I'm not worried. He just won't drop it though. Is my opinion really that threatening to him? Just because I don't believe NaruHina is cannon from 615, he needs to attack me for it? Seriously.

LMAO I followed the link to NF... Did they really just debunk your whole video?? I almost want to comment on this BS argument that this person is spouting because all it is is speculation their part, and yet they feel as though it's absolute. They can shove their fail argument up their arse. Just a pathetic illogical troll...

Wait, who is the fool on your video. I want to comment...

Edited by StriderC, 31 December 2012 - 07:05 PM.

[Qia]

I'm sorry if this goes off topic, but I need to get something off of my chest:

This is in regards to my video about 615. I'm beginning to remember why I stopped uploading videos in the first place. My head felt like exploding after dealing with all of the personal attacks, hypocrisy, and bias arguments. Some guy is trying to pick a fight over my perspective of the chapter, as if it's going to prove something. He believes the hand holding is a sign of Naruto's love for Hinata, which is fine. He can believe whatever he wants. Personally, I don't see NaruHina as cannon yet because we haven't been given Naruto's perspective, though I admit it has a higher possibility of becoming cannon.

What I find golden is, he first tells me I'm bias (which I've already acknowledged several times), and then he sends me this:

http://www.narutofor...p;postcount=535

...and follows up with this:

... --Click here to view--

That was more of a rant to me and you really just tried to make excuses for NS. To some how happen.Funny.

That hand holding and never letting go says Naruto's P.O.V about the situation he really isn't as dense as he leads on you know.
Or how you make him out to be

And if Sakura does choose Naruto he would just be a second choice, just out of pity.

Do not bring up data books, just the manga and just face it NS got trolled over in 469 by BOTH Naruto and Sakura(her lying about "loving" Naruto and Naruto seeing straight through her BS lie) I'd say he's lost respect for her after that.

And you know Naruto would just be a plan b for Sakura and lets say Sasuke does die I'm sure Naruto wouldn't even think of getting with Sakura after that and it would just be forcing them together and that is not love.


Yes. Sakura DOES love Sasuke NOT Naruto, and do not bring up that lie of a confession as being genuine because it was not.

The hypocrisy is so overwhelming, I can't even... I've already told him, I'm not interested in a fight, (sorry, "debate"), the purpose behind my video was to share my perspective of the chapter and raise a few points as to why, as a NaruSaku fan, I'm not worried. He just won't drop it though. Is my opinion really that threatening to him? Just because I don't believe NaruHina is cannon from 615, he needs to attack me for it? Seriously.

I'm really sorry something like this is happening to you, but honestly people like that aren't worth wasting your breath over. I learned that lesson the hard way. No matter how much you try to convince them of something, you won't get through to most of them. What's sad was that you won't even trying to debate with anyone about it, but OF COURSE they must try and say your opinion is absolute s***. But even some NH fans didn't see the chapter like that, so that's all that matters. We really need to move past this chapter already....it's beginning to annoy me.

Edited by Qia, 31 December 2012 - 07:06 PM.

[StriderC]

I'm really sorry something like this is happening to you, but honestly people like that aren't worth wasting your breath over. I learned that lesson the hard way. No matter how much you try to convince them of something, you won't get through to most of them. But even some NH fans didn't see the chapter like that, so that's all that matters. We really need to move past this chapter already....it's beginning to annoy me.

It's not even that they need to be convinced of anything. Slex tried to make that video as reasonable, and NH friendly as possible but they call her super biased, and then show their own bias while making some of the most ridiculous comments they can come up with. I mean, if you want to see a bit of stupidity, just look at the comment section. It's laughable.

[Sakamaki Izayoi]

It's not even that they need to be convinced of anything. Slex tried to make that video as reasonable, and NH friendly as possible but they call her super biased, and then show their own bias while making some of the most ridiculous comments they can come up with. I mean, if you want to see a bit of stupidity, just look at the comment section. It's laughable.

I went to the comment section i just see fake profiles everywhere.

[James S Cassidy]

The hypocrisy is so overwhelming, I can't even... I've already told him, I'm not interested in a fight, (sorry, "debate"), the purpose behind my video was to share my perspective of the chapter and raise a few points as to why, as a NaruSaku fan, I'm not worried. He just won't drop it though. Is my opinion really that threatening to him? Just because I don't believe NaruHina is cannon from 615, he needs to attack me for it? Seriously.

You can always do what I did and use the NH defense. How platonic it all was and how Naruto sees Hinata like a sister and what not.

[StriderC]

You can always do what I did and use the NH defense. How platonic it all was and how Naruto sees Hinata like a sister and what not.

I just made a comment on her video. Sure it's gonna get attacked but I really don't care since it was mainly for kicks anyway, but you're right. A lot of their arguments can be used against them. I pointed some out already.

[Qia]

It's not even that they need to be convinced of anything. Slex tried to make that video as reasonable, and NH friendly as possible but they call her super biased, and then show their own bias while making some of the most ridiculous comments they can come up with. I mean, if you want to see a bit of stupidity, just look at the comment section. It's laughable.

Well that's some people for you. It's sad that only a few people can make one fandom look so bad, because I know a few NHers who aren't like that at all. And I'm doing that right now. It's quite....disappointing.

[redragon88]

The hypocrisy is so overwhelming, I can't even... I've already told him, I'm not interested in a fight, (sorry, "debate"), the purpose behind my video was to share my perspective of the chapter and raise a few points as to why, as a NaruSaku fan, I'm not worried. He just won't drop it though. Is my opinion really that threatening to him? Just because I don't believe NaruHina is cannon from 615, he needs to attack me for it? Seriously.

That's about it, isn't it? That person feels threatened by what you said, therefore, they keeps attacking you in order to force you to change your opinion. They were sure before that NH was canon, but now they feel nervous when someone offers a logical perspective that differs their view. Their desire to see NH be canon makes them have a different way to view the events of the manga, and anyone that can challenge their view bothers them.

The funniest thing out of all of this is that among all of this chaos there's that NH fan that wrote an essay explain why this chapter actually indicates that NH will definitely not happen.

[sushi.]

Well that's some people for you. It's sad that only a few people can make one fandom look so bad, because I know a few NHers who aren't like that at all. And I'm doing that right now. It's quite....disappointing.

I keep wondering how many rational pairing fans there are. Those who are rational, tend to just enjoy their ship, and they don't stick out too much. I would consider myself as that kind of fan, but I have to defend NaruSaku on a NaruSaku video. My point being, there are much more peaceful shippers than it seems like, I'm sure of it.

[Slextrem]

I don't want people attacking each other on the video. The purpose was to give some hope back to this fandom, which I love so dearly. It makes me smile every time I get a comment from a NaruSaku shipper saying that they feel better about the chapter after watching. I love that. I want all of my fellow shippers to be happy again. <3

That's why it breaks my heart knowing that there are other fans being attacked the same way that I am for holding a different opinion on the chapter, (and I'm sure it's going both ways, which is even more upsetting).

BanjoBingoBongo left a comment on my video that I would like to quote:

"...Wouldn't it make more sense to put that wasted energy into supporting the shipping you're for, rather than attack the opposing one? Something that people seem to forget a lot is that people of the opposite shipping are still fellow fans of the series. When people can't get along because of such a minor difference, it's pretty disheartening."

^ This tenfold.

[Candleguy]

The second that video hit NF Slextrem shouldn't have expected anything close to class from this fandom


Unfortunately no amount of arguments can penetrate that level of tard, only the manga can. Hopefully the manga itself will prove your case for you.

[Nate River]

It's not even that they need to be convinced of anything. Slex tried to make that video as reasonable, and NH friendly as possible but they call her super biased, and then show their own bias while making some of the most ridiculous comments they can come up with. I mean, if you want to see a bit of stupidity, just look at the comment section. It's laughable.

I have no idea why people expect "un-biased" in pairing debates. If you have a dog in that fight odds are you see the manga through your pairing. There are areas in life where lacking bias is important. This is fandom pairings. This is not one of those areas.

I admit I'm a bit biased. I just don't give a kitten.

[shadow_Uzumaki]

Canon, guys, not Cannon.

Cannon goes BOOM!

Canon is the accepted part of the official work.

[kirabook]

Slex, maybe it's best to just disable the comments for a while right after you upload it and open the comments later? I've seen it done for other things like political videos to make sure people aren't having a gut reaction to your video and letting them steam over it for a bit. As for comments outside of the video, I think those are easily ignored. I haven't logged into NF for..... I don't even know the last time I ever logged on, but if it's possible, maybe you can also just ignore the users that are just too overbearing.

You shouldn't have to defend your opinion against someone who doesn't have the curtsey to back off and realize that you don't have the desire to argue with them and that that video was your opinion, not his. If he wants to make an opinion video, he can.

[Slextrem]

Slex, maybe it's best to just disable the comments for a while right after you upload it and open the comments later? I've seen it done for other things like political videos to make sure people aren't having a gut reaction to your video and letting them steam over it for a bit. As for comments outside of the video, I think those are easily ignored. I haven't logged into NF for..... I don't even know the last time I ever logged on, but if it's possible, maybe you can also just ignore the users that are just too overbearing.

You shouldn't have to defend your opinion against someone who doesn't have the curtsey to back off and realize that you don't have the desire to argue with them and that that video was your opinion, not his. If he wants to make an opinion video, he can.

I don't have an account on NF specifically because I don't want to get involved in the argumentsdebates. You're right though. Maybe I should disable the comments... Though this particular person has resorted to private messaging me.

It's frustrating because I've already dismissed him, even suggesting he make his own video, and yet he refuses to leave me alone. Now he's bashing Sakura for the idea of her giving up on Sasuke, like it's supposed to hurt my feelings. All he's doing is giving me a headache.

[KnS]

I don't want people attacking each other on the video. The purpose was to give some hope back to this fandom, which I love so dearly. It makes me smile every time I get a comment from a NaruSaku shipper saying that they feel better about the chapter after watching. I love that. I want all of my fellow shippers to be happy again. <3

That's why it breaks my heart knowing that there are other fans being attacked the same way that I am for holding a different opinion on the chapter, (and I'm sure it's going both ways, which is even more upsetting).

BanjoBingoBongo left a comment on my video that I would like to quote:

"...Wouldn't it make more sense to put that wasted energy into supporting the shipping you're for, rather than attack the opposing one? Something that people seem to forget a lot is that people of the opposite shipping are still fellow fans of the series. When people can't get along because of such a minor difference, it's pretty disheartening."

^ This tenfold.

I rarely make personal comments, but I'm going to say this for the sake of perspective. As I type this post I have two family members on their way to death's door; one dying of inoperable cancer, the other in the hospital after suffering a stroke.

By comparison, all this pairing stuff is so petty to my eyes. I'm not judging anyone for their passions, I'm just saying that anyone who has that much time and energy to spend clawing at another fan's sensible and respectful opinion is very lucky. It means they don't have any real problems in their life if feeling threatened by an unconfirmed pairing in an unfinished manga can consume them.

There are just some people who cannot resist behaving in an ugly manner. The anonymity of the internet emboldens some to say things they would never have the courage to say to your face. Feel sorry for them if you can, and don't let them get under your skin. Ignoring hatefulness and nonsense is the best way to neutralize it.

It may sound corny, but I find myself wondering what Naruto would think if he knew about the pairing wars that rage on his behalf. He's represented as such a kind hearted, optimistic guy who cares about people without demanding anything in return. Are we fans of Naruto, or only our expectations for his love life?

In my opinion, Naruto's consistently selfless dedication to Sakura's happiness means more than anything else we've seen so far. Time and logic are still on our side. Let's all try to remember that.

Cheers -- oh, and Happy New Year!

[Sakamaki Izayoi]

I don't have an account on NF specifically because I don't want to get involved in the argumentsdebates. You're right though. Maybe I should disable the comments... Though this particular person has resorted to private messaging me.

It's frustrating because I've already dismissed him, even suggesting he make his own video, and yet he refuses to leave me alone. Now he's bashing Sakura for the idea of her giving up on Sasuke, like it's supposed to hurt my feelings. All he's doing is giving me a headache.

Sasusaku is different of Narusaku.
It's like putting Sasuke and Naruto on the same ballance, why she would pursue someome who hates her and treats her like a trash, different than naruto who always saved her and was at his side, if she didnt shows any romantic feelings towads Naruto i would not even ship this at first place but she showed it and it seems that for her she's unsure of what she feels about Naruto, so technically she's following her heart.
If her heart thinks that Naruto can give her what Sasuke cannot.

Edited by Dαrkrєrsŧ, 31 December 2012 - 08:17 PM.

[StriderC]

I have no idea why people expect "un-biased" in pairing debates. If you have a dog in that fight odds are you see the manga through your pairing. There are areas in life where lacking bias is important. This is fandom pairings. This is not one of those areas.

I admit I'm a bit biased. I just don't give a kitten.

So true. I'm biased as well. We're all biased to some degree, but what really matters is the level of respect you have, and your willingness to at least open your eyes and acknowledge something. We've acknowledged that NH has more of a chance but I still don't see it happening due to Naruto's feelings for Sakura. I believe they're still there, and Sakura's coming around as well. They take this chapter at face value and basically just scream NH is canon like it's factual... Bleh, they'd better be ready for my response when they see how wrong they are because like you, I don't really give a kitten either. I'm bragging, trolling and rubbing this all in their faces. Tis only fair.

[Slextrem]

I rarely make personal comments, but I'm going to say this for the sake of perspective. As I type this post I have two family members on their way to death's door; one dying of inoperable cancer, the other in the hospital after suffering a stroke.

By comparison, all this pairing stuff is so petty to my eyes. I'm not judging anyone for their passions, I'm just saying that anyone who has that much time and energy to spend clawing at another fan's sensible and respectful opinion is very lucky. It means they don't have any real problems in their life if feeling threatened by an unconfirmed pairing in an unfinished manga can consume them.

I'm really sorry to hear that. I can't imagine how difficult that must be for you.

Edited by Slextrem, 31 December 2012 - 08:25 PM.

[Qia]

I rarely make personal comments, but I'm going to say this for the sake of perspective. As I type this post I have two family members on their way to death's door; one dying of inoperable cancer, the other in the hospital after suffering a stroke.

It's really sad to hear that . You do make a good point too. Hopefully everything turns out alright for you in the end though.