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[六道仙人]

Manga usually ends with marriage or a new family. At least that's how I always see. Unless it gets cancelled, then a rush open ending it is.

not necessarily since we're talking about a shounen manga portrayed on WSJ (which is a very cliched shounen magazine)

[Shadow1275]

But of course. If that weren't the case, then we would not be here debating about the probability of such pairings, now would we?

So I guess that means you agree with my point that NS is a lot more probable then NH at this point in time. Well that was easy. Though personally because of what Naruto said to Sai about not being able to tell Sakura about his feelings, I don't think any pairing will be canon until Naruto and Sasuke fight.

[Don-kun]

^^

There won't be a Sasuke vs Naruto final fight, because Naruto and Hinata are going to run of to a place no one can bother them.

Ah yes, the movie, the only bone Kishi has thrown at the can only deprived NS fans in over two years. Cling on to it, my friends, cling onto it for dear life.
P.S. still waiting for that list of "heavyweight" debaters.

Wow aren't we bother by that movie?

I was referring to Hinata's claim about Memma being her man so chill out a little with you.

And about the Name well here is the link if you want to know that badly.
http://www.narusaku....showtopic=12061
Is the Debate thread from page 1 until 811 enjoy.

Edited by Don-kun, 08 April 2013 - 09:56 PM.

[HauntedCake]

Naruto and Sakura are not in a relationship yet- in fact if it is to happen it won't until the last chapters. They will not be having sex with each other in the near future. The best one could hope for is a kiss and that's even a long shot.

Bolded: yeah sex i see as being far out of reach as of yet. Would take a serious NS moment for that to happen soon. Not completely out of the question but maybe it is until the last few chapters.

As for a kiss i don't thats too far out of reach at all really. Quite easily obtainable if he'd just open up to her.

[Inferno180]

Exactly.
I hate myself for saying "I hope Kishi..." approximately 10 times a day, lol. I'd better stop.

@Crimson I dare to say: tricksie, Paptala, Inferno180, catsi563 and ciardha.

Some one called me I presume?

Okay joking aside, @Crimson there really is not "shaken" faith in NaruSaku, even since chapter 615, to most of us. Its a matter of seeing where the feelings currently lie for both of them, to most of us, it will take a lot more than one event to undo a lot of what we saw in the past.

Its rather just a matter of waiting till its over, I mean NH is possible, most of us here know that, we don't outright hate Hinata, I myself find her decent, in fact In Ultimate Ninja Storm 2, I use her as support for Sakura from time to time

Anyways reason we love NaruSaku, just to let you know, Its not Naruto loving Sakura or Sakura showing kindness with Naruto. Its how they both act selfless to each other many times, Naruto's love for Sakura is understood, he even has a state of nobility to his love, he feels he does not deserve Sakura unless he could keep the promise with returning Sasuke (and at that note its worth mentioning he does not feel he could be hokage for the same reason, Sasuke). On Sakura's side its a matter of how she displayed absolute concern for Naruto in times, mainly in part 2, there were times when she put his well-being above Sasuke, even herself. I know you may view the confession as bad but most of us here see it as kishi once said about it he wanted to portray an honest but stubborn girl who had good intentions at heart, even then she had Naruto's feelings as heart despite the issues of the confession and reunion events. But big reason of NaruSaku is this, Naruto and Sakura have gone through best and worst together, they have experienced joy and pain, both have had good and bad times together. They have grown and supported each other in many ways (so many people on this site could expand on this). They have been the source of inspiration and strength but also pain and issues. They both resolved to protect and defend the other while support each other in just about anyway. Naruto and Sakura have experienced joy, sorrow, anger, confusion, sadness, happiness, and hope together. They have encouraged and been the victims of each other's actions. Even in the worst of times, they still come out with their greatest trait, they still have an inseparable relationship even if its just mere friendship. This even came to the point that with Naruto's promise to Sakura and Sakura learning how Naruto loved her, they both felt undeserving of each other which just makes this relationship have that much more complexity and dynamic to it. Some of the biggest emotional events in the series have been because of each other's actions on them.

Now many say NaruSaku died at 469 or NH is canon as 615, 469 remains confusing even I admit that, we looked at it in several ways. We have had no direct answer but there are so many things still saying its alive. Naruto is a forgiving guy, Sai basically told him he pushed Sakura to do what she did so its kinda hard to imagine he would stay angry at Sakura and not love her anymore yet he could forgive Nagato and Kurama and become BFFs with both of them. Sakura never once thought any different of Naruto after the 4 tails event, she knew Naruto was not a monster, he was an idiot but also had a good heart, why would Naruto just dump Sakura like this? Thats the inconsistency many of us see there with the NS died at 469 argument, it would just make no sense on Naruto's logic as a character to forgive those who did some of the worst stuff but not a close friend who though did foolish actions, they were meant for his protection and furthermore another friend (Sai) even admitted it was practically his fault. I don't think Naruto's feelings would sway in an instant due to one issue after so many years.

Also on Sakura's part, with 540 and even her panel in 615 (this is because she is the only character in the speech duration from Hinata aside from Naruto and Hinata), her feelings on Sasuke and short panel on 615 leave many theories open, her development is not done, it has a lot to go, she will be one of the last to finish up aside from Naruto and Sasuke. Kakashi as well. Remember the final battle focuses on Team 7, Hinata is not part of team 7, regardless of pairing stuff Hinata cannot enter this territory. Anyways for Sakura, well one simple fact for NS as most of us feel is because of well, simple character development. Her crush on Sasuke is a negative trait, Kishi even admitted it was selfish. It was merely idealistic. If Sakura kept this till the end, it would have been utterly wasted on Kishi's part. Her crush on Sasuke is a negative trait she cannot keep. Sasuke is a mental obstacle basically, one she needs to overcome. Now many argue that if Sakura really loved Naruto she would have already switched to Naruto. Simple counter-arguement, its a manga. Characters are not going to be realistic, we don't want Sakura to suddenly switch either. From 540, this can be part of the drama, the effect. After the events of the 5 kage summit and near double death, Sakura can slowly switch over, but there may be a gradual reason to slowly push her there, kinda like Itachi did for Sasuke for the recent flashback events with the 4 hokages. For Sakura, its a matter of maturity. Her development is maturing over Sakura. Sakura would need to basically need some reaffirmation with her feelings and others to talk to, maybe Tsunade before Tsunade presumably dies. No telling what can happen but there is a lot that can be done. I feel that naruto's line of I hate people who lie to themselves can hit Sakura where it matters, she was lying to herself about Sasuke. This can come back and make her think what Sasuke honestly did for her, she even knows Naruto stood by her the whole time back when the promise was first made. She can approach Naruto again with her feelings and he honest about it, Naruto would rather she be honest not say she loves him because its what he wants to hear. Naruto only wants to be with Sakura if she wants to and feels conformable with it, not because he would want it. Naruto would only want to be with Sakura if they both wanted and accepted each other and if he mentally felt he deserved her (and he will save Sasuke as most of us want).


For NaruSaku there is still a lot to come, Naruto and Sakura's interaction is not done. The manga is still going, we need to see more to come before anything can be called canon.

[TouKen4Life3g]

not necessarily since we're talking about a shounen manga portrayed on WSJ (which is a very cliched shounen magazine)

True. Haha, sometimes, anime usually adds extra that I forget that it's not from manga. Take Bakuman for instance, the anime ending is longer and show one last shot that the protagonist and his love interest got married. Still, love usually happens in the end of the manga and they do show epilogue, whether it's short or long.

[Shadow1275]

I'm not going to be presumptuous and assert that Naruto has gotten over his feeling for Sakura until we are presented with on panel confirmation. What I think I can fairly assert is through recent developments, NaruHina has become more likely than ever, would you not agree?

Fair point. I agree that Naru/Hina has taken many important steps forward with the hand-holding scene being a big step towards furthering their relationship. However, their relationship has progressed more towards friendship. For example, in the majority of NH scenes we generally only see into Hinata's inner thoughts not Naruto's. Because of this we know that Hinata cares a lot about Naruto but all we know is that Naruto at first thought she was weird. Personally I think that the relationship has progressed to the point where Naruto acknowledges her as a friend. However, the reason I question the romantic aspect of the Hand-holding scene is the events that happened. First of all, after Hinata gives her speech, the Nine-tailed fox then pulls Naruto inside of his inner self. Naruto then says,"I know but Neji is... The nine-tailed fox then replies, "If you're going to sulk like a little school-girl." http://www.onemanga....o_manga/615/13/

In other words Hinata's speech did not affect Naruto as much as people thought. Meaning that though Naruto acknowledges her as a friend, her words do not affect him as much as Kakashi, Jiraiya, Sasuke, or Sakura's do. The other problem that I have is in 616 the fox says that he needed time to charge up chakra which he says, "Looks like I kept you waiting quite a bit." http://www.onemanga....to_manga/616/9/ This means that in the heat of a battle, the likely reason he held her hand longer then the others is because the Nine-tails needed time to charge up chakra.

Now I'm not trying to browbeat you here, this is just why I think differently.

Edited by Shadow1275, 08 April 2013 - 10:13 PM.

[HauntedCake]

I'm just enjoying my pairing regardless of anything, canon or not

[Kakashi-Sensei]

Well, still better then 10 chapters Hinata screentime during the whole manga right?

I agree It's true that Sakura didin't have alot of screen time since the confession ( well at least she had Kushina paralel )

But except of chapter 615 , i don't think that hinata had more screentime than Sakura since the Pain arc.

[Branden]

Come on guys... its true that anything is posible but the chances of a pregnant sakura are just so low its not even worth considering. also crimson if youve got the time go check out the build up. its a useful refresher to those who dont know the entire manga by memory. once you read the whole thing it will make citing points and giving evidence a lot easier. that is assuming you still want to debate everyone on the forum....

[Don-kun]

I'm not going to be presumptuous and assert that Naruto has gotten over his feeling for Sakura until we are presented with on panel confirmation. What I think I can fairly assert is through recent developments, NaruHina is more likely than ever to become canon, would you not agree?


Rather, I'm bothered by the fact that so many NS fans were automatically declaring their pairing canon after the movie, only to have an emotional breakdown over the cover of Vol.64.
Quite fickle, aren't we?
And yes, because 811 pages of people lamenting over the fact that Sakura hasn't been given any screen time for months qualifies as debating skills.

Good I have a feelings that you're Konoha Crimson Fox but who know i might be wrong anyway joke aside.


Lets talk a little about the bold statement on your post, I will be honest with you I don't outright write Off NH as a possible pairing but to jump and say that the pairing is canon or is his way to be canon/inevitable like many likes to say is just delusional.

This isn't about witch character we prefer for Naruto, is about who Naruto likes and what the story is leading the readers to believe when we look on the story in a whole and not selective chapters.

No one can deny that Hinata is gating a lot of attention, but didn't she said that after the war she will stop chasing Naruto?

Do we know what she meant by that?

Couldn't these appearance be for her character development, fulfillment of her final wish and finally seeing herself equal to Naruto something she always wanted ass well of him noticing her?

Didn't Naruto said that he cannot tell Sakura how he feels because he was not able to keep her promise?

Isn't Kishimoto going out of his way to keep Naruto and Sakura with out any interaction or them being together?

As a reader we should be able to see through deception on not fall for anything that seems to easy to be truth with out a solid affirmation or foreshadowing of that event.

Neji just died, Naruto was being thankful and supportive with Hinata, where does it shows that he meant he loves her or starting to develop feelings for her?
So if you want my honest opinion NH have chances but NS has being on a pause mode since the confession and since we know this isn't going to stay like that, is better to make your conclusion after they speak normally again.

[TouKen4Life3g]

I agree It's true that Sakura didin't have alot of screen time since the confession ( well at least she had Kushina paralel )

But except of chapter 615 , i don't think that hinata had more screentime than Sakura since the Pain arc.

Actually, Sakura still have more screen time than Hinata in Pain Arc. You got to remember that Hinata's appearance happened once Konoha is destroyed while Sakura appeared in the office of Tsunade, if not, when she knocked the summon out.

[Branden]

Yes! My internet has finally returned after an hour of mother nature trolling me with wind! I just hate using my phone to post.

@Don
The first time I saw this guy I thought "Oh looks like KCF lost his account and made a new one"
They have similar names and only post in colored text. Only when I started reading his posts did I realize it's most likely someone else.

EDIT: again suprised to see so many people viewing the thread yet not posting :/ perhaps everyone is just catching up on all the the conversation that's been going on?

Edited by Branden, 08 April 2013 - 11:13 PM.

[Kakashi-Sensei]

Actually, Sakura still have more screen time than Hinata in Pain Arc. You got to remember that Hinata's appearance happened once Konoha is destroyed while Sakura appeared in the office of Tsunade, if not, when she knocked the summon out.

Actually i was responding to the NH fan who said that Kishi forgot about Sakura for 2 years. Well , it's true that she didin't have much panel time but the same goes for Hinata who had none except of 615.

Btw i agree with you , Sakura was there during all the pain arc and Hinata only appear at the middle of it

[Gravenimage]

Actually i was responding to the NH fan who said that Kishi forgot about Sakura for 2 years. Well , it's true that she didin't have much panel time but the same goes for Hinata who had none except of 615.

Btw i agree with you , Sakura was there during all the pain arc and Hinata only appear at the middle of it

Kishi forgot about Sakura??? Then why did he draw her on the colored cover of 616??? The cover that NH and NS fans were saying it was going to be about Naruto and Hinata" holding hands"

Edited by Gravenimage, 08 April 2013 - 11:23 PM.

[Don-kun]

@Branden

Don't know but you but lately I'm trying to understand the manga more than trying to debate against someone. Don't know what it is.

Edited by Don-kun, 08 April 2013 - 11:24 PM.

[Shadow1275]

Actually i was responding to the NH fan who said that Kishi forgot about Sakura for 2 years. Well , it's true that she didin't have much panel time but the same goes for Hinata who had none except of 615.

Btw i agree with you , Sakura was there during all the pain arc and Hinata only appear at the middle of it

Lets face facts, we were so used to Sakura dominating the female panel time that now it only seems like Kishi is ignoring her because he is giving some of his other female characters some spotlight. One thing has remained consistent though, wherever Naruto is concerned Sakura is never far away. Not too mention that Sakura still has a hefty spotlight lead when it comes to all of the female characters.

[Sakamaki Izayoi]

If you aren't even willing to list of some of these debaters who are apparently so vastly superior to someone average such as me, it throws doubt upon your claims.
And don't worry, I'm without a doubt enjoying all the speculation on who "Sakura's baby daddy" is.

You claimed a while ago that NH as more development than NS and still i'm waiting for the proof since the morning.

Edited by Dαrkrєrsŧ, 08 April 2013 - 11:32 PM.

[Branden]

Lets face facts, we were so used to Sakura dominating the female panel time that now it only seems like Kishi is ignoring her because he is giving some of his other female characters some spotlight. One thing has remained consistent though, wherever Naruto is concerned Sakura is never far away. Not too mention that Sakura still has a hefty spotlight lead when it comes to all of the female characters.

Heroines tend to have that effect.

@Darkrest

I agree with that, it's easy to talk big, but unless you can back it up then you just end up embarrassing yourself.

Edited by Branden, 08 April 2013 - 11:33 PM.

[Shadow1275]

Heroines tend to have that effect.

@Darkrest

I agree with that, it's easy to talk big, but unless you can back it up then you just end up embarrassing yourself.

True especially heroines like Sakura. Darkrest is right though. He did say that NH has more development then NS. The only thing is he hasn't given any evidence or tried to debate it. Oh well, more time to work on my Marketing paper I guess.