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#16041 Sakamaki Izayoi

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Posted 08 April 2013 - 02:37 PM

QUOTE (NaruSaku4Life3g @ Apr 8 2013, 11:32 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Same here. Do or die if you ask me.

That's nice to hear about the movie. I didn't see it completely but I can already tell that it's going to be the best one yet. You can seriously tell it's made by him. Felt like another manga getting adapted to anime. I can't wait for HD, Japanese dub, and best possible translated movie.

Yeah the movie pratically made Kushina = Sakura and stated the parallel of Mina/Kushi and it's nice because Sakura has traits of both Minato and Kushina.
She is calm and smart like Minato but is a tsundere like Kushina and even has the vocal thing "Shannaroo"/"Tebane".

And Naruto is smart in battle like Minato and is hot blooded and it's not very intelligent like Kushina.
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Posted 08 April 2013 - 02:37 PM

QUOTE (Crimson @ Apr 8 2013, 02:34 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Bolded: Exactly. She had no chance against Sasuke, and yet she apparently tried "taking matters into her own hands." Yet she was not able to "put her emotions aside" in the end, and if it had not been for Kakashi's, then Naruto's timely interference, then she would most probably have been killed. What kind of emotional distress do you imagine that would have caused Naruto? How is that in any way lifting his burdens? How is that selflessness in any way on her part?

Neither girls had any feasible chance of doing something productive in either situation, and neither had any idea what could happen as a result of their actions. And yet, without Hinata doing what she did, Naruto would have ultimately have been captured by Pain, whereas if Sakura had not done what she did, Naruto would still have met up with Sasuke after locating him and Sage Mode and had their talk.


Actually not.
If it wasnt for sakura he would have gone back to village with yamato. It was thx to sakura that he had his talk with sasuke.

Ps.:
I cant bold anything in your text since everything is bolded laugh.gif

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Posted 08 April 2013 - 02:40 PM

QUOTE (Crimson @ Apr 8 2013, 11:34 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Bolded: Exactly. She had no chance against Sasuke, and yet she apparently tried "taking matters into her own hands." Yet she was not able to "put her emotions aside" in the end, and if it had not been for Kakashi's, then Naruto's timely interference, then she would most probably have been killed. What kind of emotional distress do you imagine that would have caused Naruto? How is that in any way lifting his burdens? How is that selflessness in any way on her part?

Neither girls had any feasible chance of doing something productive in either situation, and neither had any idea what could happen as a result of their actions. And yet, without Hinata doing what she did, Naruto would have ultimately have been captured by Pain, whereas if Sakura had not done what she did, Naruto would still have met up with Sasuke after locating him through Sage Mode and had their talk.

You know that this is an assumption.

Both cases were almost similar and the difference is that Naruto had a development on the Sakura's case while on Hinata's it was only about her.
Hinata also had no chance against Pain and she knew it, Sakura also had the same.

The last paragraph is an assumption, her confession was important for Sakura character which she realized things about Naruto like the fact he encourage her, was at his side, made her feel safe and so on...
She wasnt in love with Naruto but made Sasuke's feelings more unbelievable and forced.
Just to finish the confession put Naruto under pressure and made him realize that the Poal was also hurting Sakura because he was putting himself into danger and she cared about him.


QUOTE (Crimson @ Apr 8 2013, 11:39 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Feel free to correct me if I am wrong, but was Naruto not already attempting to locate Sasuke through Sage Mode when Sakura came to "confess" to him?

Or sense an akatsuki guy fighting against another jinchuuriki.
Or sense Sakura going to Sasuke's location and so on...
There's no "If's".

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Posted 08 April 2013 - 02:41 PM

QUOTE (Crimson @ Apr 8 2013, 10:34 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Bolded: Exactly. She had no chance against Sasuke, and yet she apparently tried "taking matters into her own hands." Yet she was not able to "put her emotions aside" in the end, and if it had not been for Kakashi's, then Naruto's timely interference, then she would most probably have been killed. What kind of emotional distress do you imagine that would have caused Naruto? How is that in any way lifting his burdens? How is that selflessness in any way on her part?

Neither girls had any feasible chance of doing something productive in either situation, and neither had any idea what could happen as a result of their actions. And yet, without Hinata doing what she did, Naruto would have ultimately have been captured by Pain, whereas if Sakura had not done what she did, Naruto would still have met up with Sasuke after locating him through Sage Mode and had their talk.

To make everything fair, it's not like Naruto blames either of them, so in a way, it's just made for other character's development. Otherwise, we would have notice a different attitude within him, but he does put it in the past. So if you're suggesting that Sakura made Naruto dislike her more, that I don't agree on at all. If Sasuke did this much damage and he's like going up in relationship status, what makes you think about others. Naruto only increase in relationship status, not down.

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Posted 08 April 2013 - 02:41 PM

QUOTE (NaruSaku4Life3g @ Apr 8 2013, 05:32 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Same here. Do or die if you ask me.

That's nice to hear about the movie. I didn't see it completely but I can already tell that it's going to be the best one yet. You can seriously tell it's made by him. Felt like another manga getting adapted to anime. I can't wait for HD, Japanese dub, and best possible translated movie.

Ooh you should definitely see it!
Korean dub was a bit distracting tbh + 480px is not exactly what I wanted, but hey, the movie is full of NS!!! ><

Edited by Tauriel, 08 April 2013 - 02:44 PM.


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Posted 08 April 2013 - 02:43 PM

QUOTE (Crimson @ Apr 8 2013, 02:39 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Feel free to correct me if I am wrong, but was Naruto not already attempting to locate Sasuke through Sage Mode when Sakura came to "confess" to him?

NO he didnt, he wasnt even aware that sasuke was near to them. After he failed to convince the Raikage, he was about to go back home but before he could, sakura stopped him.

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Posted 08 April 2013 - 02:44 PM

QUOTE (PhenixElite @ Apr 8 2013, 11:43 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
NO he didnt, he wasnt even aware that sasuke was near to them. After he failed to convince the Raikage, he was about to go back home but before he could, sakura stopped him.

Actually he was going train the sage mode to make it last longer.

QUOTE (Crimson @ Apr 8 2013, 11:44 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>


Proved my argument above
And then they called him to come back inside.

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Posted 08 April 2013 - 02:44 PM

Another Sakura vs Hinata argument just to justify why you believe one girl is better than the other.

Why don't we ask our self who Naruto loves despite her flaws and get over this topic for once.

Trying to point out Hinata or Sakura's flaws ass well as our personal opinion on witch girl is better for our liking will not change the outcome or any fact stated in the Manga . sad.gif

Hinata>>>>>Naruto.
Naruto>>>>>Sakura.
Sakura>>>>>Sasuke.

No matter how we feel nothing will change that until Kishi says so.


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Posted 08 April 2013 - 02:55 PM

QUOTE (Crimson @ Apr 8 2013, 11:53 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
The reason behind his training was for the express purpose of locating Sasuke. Do you think he was going to listen to Yamato and simply go back inside?

The panel already make your statement invalid, he wanted to find Sasuke but for that he had to train the sage mode to make it last longer, so he wanst even going to find him first.
Second yamato calls Naruto to go inside so he was already going out from the Sage mode.
There's no reason to keep going with the argument which your own panel proves it wrong.

Edited by Dαrkrєrsŧ, 08 April 2013 - 02:58 PM.

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Posted 08 April 2013 - 02:59 PM

QUOTE (Crimson @ Apr 8 2013, 11:57 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Naruto has just entered Sage Mode at that moment before Sakura arrives. I suggest you reread the panels.

I reread the panels, going sage mode wanting to find Sasuke but for that he had to train the sage mode ot make it last longer, Yamato calls him inside on the meantime he was going out of the sage mode, he sensed Sakura's chakra, end of the story.

Moreover to find Sasuke he had to sense Kakashi's chakra first so Sasuke wanst on his range.

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Posted 08 April 2013 - 03:02 PM

QUOTE (Crimson @ Apr 8 2013, 12:00 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Pray tell, where exactly does it show Naruto exiting out of Sage Mode in reaction to Yamato's statement?

On the panel you posted a while back, with the "hm" unless you missed that panel and moreover Sasuke wasnt on Naruto's range, when Naruto come out he followed Kakashi to find Sakura.

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Posted 08 April 2013 - 03:06 PM

I think its easy to tell that he wasnt entering sage-mode to find sasuke. He entered it to train it. Even with sage-mode its only possible to find persons in closer theretories. Naruto didnt know that sasuke was near, so it wouldnt make sense for him to just randomly activate sage mode to find him.

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Posted 08 April 2013 - 03:10 PM

QUOTE (Crimson @ Apr 8 2013, 12:07 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
If you were to read the page following that panel, you would know that his exclamation was in reaction to Sakura's arrival. Moreover, Naruto wasn't going to go back to Konoha without finding Sasuke first, hence his training Sage Mode on the spot.

I think you misunderstood he said explicity he had to train the sage mode in order to make the mode last longer eh wasnt going to find Sasuke right aways and hence the panel where Yamato asked him to go back him inside after it's shown Naruto going out from the sage mode.
You're doing an assumption saying that Naruto would find Sasuke right away when there's nothing that sustain this claim.

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Posted 08 April 2013 - 03:15 PM

QUOTE (Dαrkrєrsŧ @ Apr 8 2013, 04:10 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>

eh wasnt going to find Sasuke right aways

Of course ha wasnt. Like he said, he was going to train in order to prolong the duration of SM. Who knows how long it would take him.

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Posted 08 April 2013 - 03:16 PM

Crimson, I really have to disagree with you on Hinata's confession. If not for the Kyuubi and Minato, Naruto would have been left in the exact same situation, regardless of Hinata's "efforts". Hinata couldn't haven known that her actions would eventually lead to Naruto losing control of Kurama and, thus, freeing himself from Pain. There was just no way that she had that in mind. In fact, I doubt that she had Naruto's rescue in mind, given the course of action she chooses to take.

For the sake of not having to repeat myself, I'm going to post an old comment I had made regarding Hinata's confession:

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The fact that Hinata wanted to interfere with the Pain fight isn't the problem that I have with her confession. Naruto clearly was in a bad spot and needed help. My problem lies in her intentions behind jumping into the battle. She didn't do it to save Naruto; she did it to confess her feelings so that she wouldn't have any regrets.

Hinata knew that she was no match against Pain; she knew that jumping down there all by herself would be pointless, but she did it anyway. If saving Naruto was truly what she wanted to do, then as a ninja, she should have been trying to come up with a plan to get Naruto out of that pinch. At the very least, she could have tried gathering other people to assist her. No one else was going to jump in after her because only the Hyuuga clan could actually see what was going on, and most of them were injured, unconscious, or dead. Her guard, for example, was down with a broken leg. That's why he couldn't stop her from leaving, and as we know, Neji was away from the village. Everyone else was blind to what was happening to Naruto - that's why no one else was trying to save him. (Plus Naruto had told everyone to believe in him and stay out of it...) She knew that, but still she didn't try to round up a team of less injured shinobi to go down there with her. Sure, a group would still be nothing against Pain, but they could have at least caused enough of a distraction for her to get the rods out of Naruto's arms. That was all she needed to do, as he could have pulled the rest out himself.

That didn't happen though. So now we have Hinata standing in front of Naruto with Pain, an enemy that was capable of completely crushing the village, staring her down. There were still other things that she could have done to save Naruto in this situation, or at least tried to help him with. The anime team pretty much covered the possibilities with their filler version of her confession. The first thing that filler Hinata does during her confession is attack the rods in Naruto. If saving Naruto was what she wanted to do, that would have been the obvious course of action, but canon Hinata doesn't do that.

Canon Hinata either wasn't trying to save Naruto, or actually thought that charging at Pain was going to do something to save Naruto, which clearly wasn't the case. Because I don't want to completely lose all hope in Hinata as a character, I choose to believe in the first option. All she wanted to do was confess to him so that she would have no regrets later on. She wasn't thinking about what she would do to help him after she confessed. She just wanted to get her feelings off of her chest as she thought that was her last opportunity to do so. That's what makes her confession selfish instead of selfless. She was acting for herself, not for Naruto. She didn't have his well-being in mind. If she did, she would have stopped to think about how witnessing a friend being murdered in front of him, while completely powerless to stop it, would have affected Naruto. Kyuubi or no Kyuubi, she had to have known that that wouldn't have affected him in a positive way, but she chooses to charge at Pain anyway.

The last point I want to make is that Hinata had no way of knowing, prior to jumping down there, that Naruto was going to unleash the Kyuubi's power. I don't even think she knew that Naruto had the Kyuubi in him at that point. This proves that she had no intention of saving him. Remove the Kyuubi from the equation and what was her plan? To jump in front of Naruto, (despite her guard telling her that she would only be in the way), confess, and charge Pain, all the while knowing that she stood no chance against him. None of which had anything to do with actually helping Naruto out of his predicament. Had it not been for the Kyuubi, Naruto would have been left in the exact same position that he was in before Hinata chose to "save him". Pinned to the ground with Pain standing over him. The only difference would be that Hinata's mangled body would be laying a few feet away from him. Nice one, Hinata. a_thumbs.gif

She's lucky as hell that:
1) Naruto went Kyuubi, because ultimately that's what saved him.
2) He didn't accidentally step on her or pick her up and fling her mangled body into the horizon.
3) He was drawn away from the village, leaving what few survivors there were alive, (which was also thanks to Sakura having everyone evacuate)
4) Sakura was able to save her before it was too late.
5) Minato was there to save Naruto from being completely overtaken by the Kyuubi.

This was all pure luck. Hinata had no idea that any of this was going to happen.


I can agree with you on Sakura's actions regarding Sasuke. All of us were expecting more from her in that scenario, and honestly, I was upset to see her used as a damsel in distress twice. I wanted her to have a stronger resolve, but evidently, Kishimoto wanted Naruto's resolve to be stronger. Since the plot revolves and Naruto and Sasuke, that's not much of a surprise. Ultimately, Naruto is what holds Team Seven together. Without him, they would fall apart.

It just goes to show you how terrible Sakura love for Sasuke is for her. I am, however, pleased to see that she has shown signs from moving on from him since then. Chapter 540 is an indication that she views Sasuke in a negative light and has come to terms with the fact that he's not the same as he used to be. I believe that their next reunion will be very different from the one that occurred during the Summit Arc. smile.gif

Edited by Slextrem, 08 April 2013 - 03:34 PM.


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Posted 08 April 2013 - 03:17 PM

QUOTE (Crimson @ Apr 8 2013, 12:15 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Again, nowhere does it show Naruto going out of Sage Mode in response to Yamato's statement.
I'm making an assumption saying that Naruto would not return to Konoha before he had found Sasuke, which is sustained by Naruto's conviction and the fact that he was training his Sage Mode on the spot.

The panel you posted he was going out from the sage mode, we dont know if he was going back to the village or not it's also another assumption, and to finish Naruto's conviction was to train the Sage mode not look for Sasuke, hence why even when he wakes up he asks for Kakashi and Sai and then he goes after Kakashi which would obviously lead to Sasuke.


@Slextrem good post but also i have to pinpoint she went with the best intentions for Naruto but ended up on a damsel in distress situation she was just marching to her own death.
At least give development for both of them, Sakura realizing Naruto's feelings and helped with her resolve and Naruto.

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Posted 08 April 2013 - 03:21 PM

QUOTE (Dαrkrєrsŧ @ Apr 8 2013, 04:17 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>

The panel you posted he was going out from the sage mode, we dont know if he was going back to the village or not it's also another assumption, and to finish Naruto's conviction was to train the Sage mode not look for Sasuke, hence why even when he wakes up he asks for Kakashi and Sai and then he goes after Kakashi which would obviously lead to Sasuke.

He wasnt going out of sagemode. He meditated and as he opens his eyes he was in sage. He goes out as soon as sakura talks to him.

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Posted 08 April 2013 - 03:21 PM

QUOTE (PhenixElite @ Apr 8 2013, 12:21 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
He wasnt going out of sagemode. He meditated and as he opens his eyes he was in sage. He goes out as soon as sakura talks to him.

THe mark was vanishing slowly.
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Posted 08 April 2013 - 03:22 PM

QUOTE (Dαrkrєrsŧ @ Apr 8 2013, 04:21 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
THe mark was vanishing slowly.

Where? i dont see it.
Theres a japanese text under his eye. Maybe that shows that it vanished

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Posted 08 April 2013 - 03:24 PM

QUOTE (PhenixElite @ Apr 8 2013, 12:22 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Where? i dont see it.
Theres a japanese text under his eye. Maybe that shows that it vanished

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