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[Dalton.T.R]

Wait...wut?

 

I've been going through some of the hate mail I've been receiving from our lovely NaruHina friends, and there was one particular message that...caught my interest...to say the least.

 

Apparently...if Naruto ends up with Sakura, Hinata, with all her wisdom and strength, will attempt to kill Naruto and Sakura for revenge.....  ......huh? What happened to the sweet innocent girl they make her out to be? Did she go somewhere? W-T-F is going on here?

 

I think we're dealing a whole new level of desperation, wishful thinking, and...something else in that mix, because this guy...I think he's a little on the Coo-coo side of town.

 

I'm obviously no fan of Hinata, but I know she's not..."crazy" enough to do something like that...

Edited by Night Hawk, 21 March 2014 - 03:50 AM.

[TyranntX]

Wait...wut?

 

I've been going through some of the hate mail I've been receiving from our lovely NaruHina friends, and there was one particular message that...caught my interest...to say the least.

 

Apparently...if Naruto ends up with Sakura, Hinata, with all her wisdom and strength, will attempt to kill Naruto and Sakura for revenge.....  ......huh? What happened to the sweet innocent girl they make her out to be? Did she go somewhere? W-T-F is going on here?

 

I think we're dealing a whole new level of desperation, wishful thinking, and...something else in that mix, because this guy...I think he's a little on the Coo-coo side of town.

 

I'm obviously no fan of Hinata, but I know she's not..."crazy" enough to do something like that...

 

not only that but she lacks the gut. I don't think she could deliberatly harm a commrad if she wanted to, just look what happend to her in the chuunin exams

Edited by TyranntX, 21 March 2014 - 03:54 AM.

[Dalton.T.R]

 

not only that but she lacks the gut. I don't think she could deliberatly harm a commrad if she wanted to, just look what happend to her in the chuunin exams

Yeah...and the second Naruto goes sage mode...well, Hinata, it's been nice knowing ya... 

[luffyq1]

 

It's been a while since I've read the last databook.   I've seen other comments that they contradict the manga, but I don't remember any examples.  Got one you can share?  

 

 

I ordered mine from Amazon.

Well one of the biggest ones I can remember is the requirement of Amaterasu and Tsukiyomi to use Susanoo, not to mention character stats need to be fixed & updated before anyone else can use their description to hype their fav character up in a debate.

Edited by luffyq1, 21 March 2014 - 04:16 AM.

[xxRomanceGirlxx]

I admit. In the past, specifically through the 615 period, I did have spells of doubt. With all the anti-arguments centering around the confession and 615 to NaruSaku, it's hard to not let it get to you at least a little. But, IMO, I've come to realize that's more of a Shipper Syndrome. Even if all evidence points to your pairing, there is usually one point or another when you even slightly doubt your pair and that's because you want it to happen so bad. Not all pairing fans go through this, but Shipper Syndrome most definitely gets to us when it comes to the rival shipping moments. 615 anyone?

 

However, now I'm at the point I'm not even worried at all. Pro-NH/SS arguments don't even bother me any more because the flaws in logic and story consistency is so obvious. After Kishimoto wrote 631 and then 663, there is literally nothing to worry about NaruSaku-wise IMO. It's definitely going to be canon. Those chapters were so obvious, I can't even take NH/SS arguments seriously.

 

Of course I'd still debate with them, but I'm sort of, I guess you can say at 'peace' with the shipping wars. NaruSaku will happen, whether you want it to or not. I'm 99.999% certain of it now.

[Gojira]

 like the relationship between naruto and Sakura its one of the few fictional pairings I actually like let alone give a crap about. My only problem is that in the beginning of Part 2 they had big NS moments and then after that it was simply sprinkled with subtle hints throughout the following arcs.

 

Rescue Gaara arc:  Big NS moment (Her crying for Naruto)

 

Sai and Sasuke arc: Big NS moment ("In reality you...")

 

Hidan and Kakuzu arc:  None

 

Hunt for Itachi arc: 1 subtle hint (The offering to feed him)

 

Invasion of Pain arc A few subtle hints here and there (The hug, her screaming for Naruto to save the village etc.)

 

Kage Summit arc:  I'm sorry i still don't get the fake confession (even the context itself was confusing as hell "she was being honest and stubborn but was lying so she could protect Naruto because she may or may not have feelings for him so she could kill Sasuke because she loves him so much but can't go through with it because she loves him but its ok because she was doing it for Naruto")

 

Fourth World War arc: 1 subtle hint (Kushina's last words)

 

Juubi arc: Big NS Moment (The classic shonen trope where the Main Character's father openly points out who his son is going to be with by asking if <insert name here> is his girlfriend. On top of that she didn't deny it like before) also a few subtle hints like her paralleling Karin while Naruto parallels Sasuke  

Edited by Pepsi, 21 March 2014 - 06:54 AM.

[luffyq1]

I admit. In the past, specifically through the 615 period, I did have spells of doubt. With all the anti-arguments centering around the confession and 615 to NaruSaku, it's hard to not let it get to you at least a little. But, IMO, I've come to realize that's more of a Shipper Syndrome. Even if all evidence points to your pairing, there is usually one point or another when you even slightly doubt your pair and that's because you want it to happen so bad. Not all pairing fans go through this, but Shipper Syndrome most definitely gets to us when it comes to the rival shipping moments. 615 anyone?

 

However, now I'm at the point I'm not even worried at all. Pro-NH/SS arguments don't even bother me any more because the flaws in logic and story consistency is so obvious. After Kishimoto wrote 631 and then 663, there is literally nothing to worry about NaruSaku-wise IMO. It's definitely going to be canon. Those chapters were so obvious, I can't even take NH/SS arguments seriously.

 

Of course I'd still debate with them, but I'm sort of, I guess you can say at 'peace' with the shipping wars. NaruSaku will happen, whether you want it to or not. I'm 99.999% certain of it now.

615 was the great depression era.

[Transformers03]

Question of the Day:

 

Do you let the environment (people outside here and there) change your view at NS and your confidence? Example: One day I feel like NS will be canon, just have to wait. The next day spending out there, I feel like NH will take down NS in the upcoming chapters.

 

I have talked about this before, yet I always feel upset when I read Anti/NH arguments. I'm a pretty sensitive guy, so little things get to me. A lot of the more passionate arguments will really bring NS fans down, and make the fandom stupid. Also, I always feel like, in the back of my head, that they have point. NH can't be super popular just cause, there has to be the reason why so many fans believe in it.

 

Lately though, I just get more pissed off than anything when I read antis. The main reason is that most arguments fail to understand why NS fans like the pairing so much. I have been trying to understand the other fandoms a little bit more, and I am always surprise to see how similar we are to the NH. A lot of NH fan's reaction to the CPR is eerily similar to our reaction of 615, the hand-holding scene (some fans even saying that real NH fans shouldn't feel threaten by it, as they believe NH will happen no matter what).

 

With that said, a lot of the main arguments against NS is extremely flawed. The main argument I see around that NS wont happen is that Sakura still loves Sasuke, and it is too late for her to change her mind. The same logic goes to Hinata, with many claiming her love of Naruto will prevail in the end. Both of these arguments fail to recognize Naruto's feelings for either girl, and seem to forget the development between Naruto and Sakura throughout the manga. 

 

I still get upset, and some doubt when I read some anti stuff. However you have to be smart to recognize what is not a good argument, and to not get blindsided by your own opinion. Nearly all the major arguments in all the pairings suffer because the fans choose to be passionate about their side, rather than looking at what the subject is truly is.

[Superman333]

lol , no bashing but apparently the NH fans are saying that Naruto has never claimed that he is in love with Sakura-Chan, it's just a crush and it was never professed as love .

What the actual kitten lol .

[Elicit]

The arguments that try to invalidate Naruto's feelings for Sakura really piss me off.  I don't understand why people think Kishi would be so subtle about Naruto's feelings that he is actually no longer in love with Sakura (or never was) and that he is actually starting to like Hinata now. If Kishi wanted his main character to fall in love with someone else, especially a side character, he would make it clear that he is developing romantic feelings for that character and he would have definitely shown something by now that suggests that his feelings for Sakura are changing.

[narusaku256]

Question of the Day:

 

Do you let the environment (people outside here and there) change your view at NS and your confidence? Example: One day I feel like NS will be canon, just have to wait. The next day spending out there, I feel like NH will take down NS in the upcoming chapters.

To be honest, yeah it does shake me up. But, on the other hand its not NH that shakes me up but SS(due to Sakura's so called 'feelings'). Hell yeah! I used to be worried about it pretty much. But seeing the points put up here, it doesn't bother me much now. Atleast for me its the endgame. Previously I did not have sufficient insights into the moments and that's what got me worked me up. But then after reading some posts here I couldn't agree more. So, I guess yes outside environment does shake my opinion but then I've got good insights to support the NS moments which instills faith in me again. So it dosen't bother me much at the end of the day. I guess its the same thing as xxRomanceGirlxx said, just with a different pairing.

Edited by narusaku256, 21 March 2014 - 08:26 AM.

[itsmesakura]

You know why I feel hurt? Because that person seemed nice so I said, niice, I am going to have a nice debate and see where this leads, share info and opinions. It's going to be really cool.
I really love to debate with opposite fandoms in nice terms... But when I see this? THIS? I cannot get over it so easy... I mean, I try to be the good guy and you treat me like this? Hell no!
Pfft, funny how I didn't had time to respond before now and I was so stressed that I couldn't because I didn't want her to consider me a bad person and then I discover this piece of ... whatever. Funny how fate works sometimes...

 

I understand you really... I have ever been in the position where I tried to be calm, because you are easier to think and find answers...But then when that person bashes, kept on coming with ridiculous questions, etc, you'll explode like a volcano and you can't seem to think straight anymore.. And that had happened to me when I am up against a stubborn NH fan...

 

Pfft, sometimes I wondered why morality and logic got replaced by such a small mind , ego, and childish act

[itsmesakura]

The arguments that try to invalidate Naruto's feelings for Sakura really piss me off.  I don't understand why people think Kishi would be so subtle about Naruto's feelings that he is actually no longer in love with Sakura (or never was) and that he is actually starting to like Hinata now. If Kishi wanted his main character to fall in love with someone else, especially a side character, he would make it clear that he is developing romantic feelings for that character and he would have definitely shown something by now that suggests that his feelings for Sakura are changing.

 

Yes that's sooooooo true.. I've come across NH fans who said, "since when did Naruto love Sakura?" like all those words and all those proves never even exist.... I am telling ya NH fans see through imaginations and use it as an object on what they believed at... And that means putting aside all those logical explanations, everything

 

I mean, I never agree on the NH fans that said Naruto didn't love Sakura... Like he had moved on from her, etc... It was quite ridiculous, because if NH fans can believe that Hinata's love for Naruto is sincere and she can never moved on, then why can't they believed on the fact that Naruto can't move on from Sakura? all those years of loving is just a waste of time, and if Naruto actually moved on from Sakura, then it will proved him as a not loyal man and not a hero at all

[Gojira]

After a few years I got around to re-watching episode 44 (I think, it was the one where Sakura saw Naruto's 4-tails form) That was really emotional.

 

If Kishi doesn't make NS canon at any point otherwise

 

I wonder how he's going to go about doing it, thoughts anyone?

[TyranntX]

again, where did NH even spawn? form what I'm seeing I'ts all H and no N. for Every NH thing a NH fan has I can find a counter for it. did it begin when Hinata wanted Naruto to cheat of her in the Chuunin exams? was it when she got beat down by Neji? WHEN AND WHERE DID PEOPLE START THINKING THIS PAIRING WOULD ACTUALLY WORK!?!? would some one please tell me?

 

After a few years I got around to re-watching episode 44 (I think, it was the one where Sakura saw Naruto's 4-tails form) That was really emotional.

 

If Kishi doesn't make NS canon at any point otherwise

 

I wonder how he's going to go about doing it, thoughts anyone?

 

Possible rather soon. I still think that where the story is now that its a golden oppertunity to make NS go canon. they are in a different demention where no one can harm them (unless Obito turns on them). Sakura needs to patch up Naruto, and Naruto needs to have a few secs to recoop. its the perfect time for some bonding. not to mention the comedic moment of where Sakura's hand is.

 

Sakura always seems to get emotional hen Naruto is near death and pulls through miraculously. this is where I'm not so sure if NH is going to happen. . . when sakura sees Naruto is in peril, she worries a bunch, but with Hinata she barely worries at all (or at least we don't see it).

 

Even if it DOESN'T go canon at this point it still will some time in the near future. from the looks of it the war is nearing its end. and the adventures are only going to get more and more dangerous. Sakura's emotions are going to give out soon... just you wait.

[BakeNeko-Chan]

 

I have talked about this before, yet I always feel upset when I read Anti/NH arguments. I'm a pretty sensitive guy, so little things get to me. A lot of the more passionate arguments will really bring NS fans down, and make the fandom stupid. Also, I always feel like, in the back of my head, that they have point. NH can't be super popular just cause, there has to be the reason why so many fans believe in it.

 

 

 

The thing is, pairing fans will latch onto a pairing that has little to no chance and believe it will happen even in the face of contradictory evidence. Zuko/Katara is still an excellent example of the way shipping takes on a life of it's own, to this day it is still the most popular pairing in the A:TLA fandom regardless of not becoming canon. Through most of the series, Zuko and Katara were enemies and rarely interacted but people truly believed it would happen, never mind all the evidence that pointed in Aang/Katara's direction. In the end Zuko and Katara did become friends -- late in the final season -- once she finally forgave him, and then Katara ended up with Aang.

 

Granted, Zutara shippers did feel some validation knowing that the writers' did toy with the idea of Zuko/Katara, but that was during the early stages of story development, and the writers' themselves said that it would never work. 

 

What makes NaruHina popular is not the likelihood of it happening, but the trope. A shy girl getting the "popular" guy, and you don't have to look far to find this trope in one form or another. I think a lot of people empathize with Hinata because she's someone who doesn't quite fit in and lot of them feel that way themselves. And her personality gives her a sense of vulnerability that brings out sympathy for her with readers.

 

But the problem is, the people rooting for Hinata also tend to look at the manga through a Hinata based perspective, forgetting or just ignoring, that she is a secondary character and not the heroine of the story who is meant to triumph over adversity in the end. That is, unfortunately for them, not her role in the story. Hinata is only meant to embody Naruto's ability to change and influence others and is often used as a foil for Sakura -- the actual heroine of the story.

 

Wait...wut?

 

I've been going through some of the hate mail I've been receiving from our lovely NaruHina friends, and there was one particular message that...caught my interest...to say the least.

 

Apparently...if Naruto ends up with Sakura, Hinata, with all her wisdom and strength, will attempt to kill Naruto and Sakura for revenge.....  ......huh? What happened to the sweet innocent girl they make her out to be? Did she go somewhere? W-T-F is going on here?

 

I think we're dealing a whole new level of desperation, wishful thinking, and...something else in that mix, because this guy...I think he's a little on the Coo-coo side of town.

 

I'm obviously no fan of Hinata, but I know she's not..."crazy" enough to do something like that...

 

That's not news to me at all, I already heard that one I think two years ago on deviantart. I don't see the point of paying any attention to such a wild claim or any reason to bring it up.

[TouKen4Life3g]

 

I have talked about this before, yet I always feel upset when I read Anti/NH arguments. I'm a pretty sensitive guy, so little things get to me. A lot of the more passionate arguments will really bring NS fans down, and make the fandom stupid. Also, I always feel like, in the back of my head, that they have point. NH can't be super popular just cause, there has to be the reason why so many fans believe in it.

 

Lately though, I just get more pissed off than anything when I read antis. The main reason is that most arguments fail to understand why NS fans like the pairing so much. I have been trying to understand the other fandoms a little bit more, and I am always surprise to see how similar we are to the NH. A lot of NH fan's reaction to the CPR is eerily similar to our reaction of 615, the hand-holding scene (some fans even saying that real NH fans shouldn't feel threaten by it, as they believe NH will happen no matter what).

 

With that said, a lot of the main arguments against NS is extremely flawed. The main argument I see around that NS wont happen is that Sakura still loves Sasuke, and it is too late for her to change her mind. The same logic goes to Hinata, with many claiming her love of Naruto will prevail in the end. Both of these arguments fail to recognize Naruto's feelings for either girl, and seem to forget the development between Naruto and Sakura throughout the manga. 

 

I still get upset, and some doubt when I read some anti stuff. However you have to be smart to recognize what is not a good argument, and to not get blindsided by your own opinion. Nearly all the major arguments in all the pairings suffer because the fans choose to be passionate about their side, rather than looking at what the subject is truly is.

Bolded: While there is always a reason, there are times that the reason mainly falls down just fans' favorite, nothing truly more than that. Zuutara is among them.

[BlueStarSaber]

Bolded: While there is always a reason, there are times that the reason mainly falls down just fans' favorite, nothing truly more than that. Zuutara is among them.

 

That pair was always crack to me (even before I knew what crack ship was) in fact I never even thought of those two hooking up until I saw fan art of them online; to this day I still can't believe it was more popular than Kataang(no offence to anyone who ships Zutara here).

 

For your question the opposite happened to me the posts of NaruSaku fans turned me from NH & SS to NS instead.

Edited by BlueStarSaber, 21 March 2014 - 03:43 PM.

[Transformers03]

 

The thing is, pairing fans will latch onto a pairing that has little to no chance and believe it will happen even in the face of contradictory evidence. Zuko/Katara is still an excellent example of the way shipping takes on a life of it's own, to this day it is still the most popular pairing in the A:TLA fandom regardless of not becoming canon. Through most of the series, Zuko and Katara were enemies and rarely interacted but people truly believed it would happen, never mind all the evidence that pointed in Aang/Katara's direction. In the end Zuko and Katara did become friends -- late in the final season -- once she finally forgave him, and then Katara ended up with Aang.

 

Granted, Zutara shippers did feel some validation knowing that the writers' did toy with the idea of Zuko/Katara, but that was during the early stages of story development, and the writers' themselves said that it would never work. 

 

Bolded: While there is always a reason, there are times that the reason mainly falls down just fans' favorite, nothing truly more than that. Zuutara is among them.

 

It is one thing to be most popular in a particular series, it's another thing entirely to have over 21 millions results on google search compared to our measly 1 million. Seriously, what the heck?

[TouKen4Life3g]

 

 

It is one thing to be most popular in a particular series, it's another thing entirely to have over 21 millions results on google search compared to our measly 1 million. Seriously, what the heck?

 

 

 

It is one thing to be most popular in a particular series, it's another thing entirely to have over 21 millions results on google search compared to our measly 1 million. Seriously, what the heck?

Yes, but that doesn't mean it has a great reason or rather story-based reason. Not saying this really doesn't, but it's very bare minimum. If it happens, it happens. It's like Call of Duty series. It got millions sales but is it good? Well you decide.

Edited by NaruSaku4Life3g, 21 March 2014 - 06:02 PM.