Intention is one aspect to consider, the repercussions of their actions are another. I am focusing primarily on the latter for this.
Which you have to accept that Hinata's consequences were more catastrophic if not for the fact that the 4th would interfere. Besides, was it that difficult for her to convey the information to the other shinobi? And how can you tell if the consequences would've been different when you had the minds of Shukaku and Shikamaru on the battlefield. Remember also that Naruto didn't need the kyuubi mode to defeat Pain.
In the end, all that we have left is "what if..." scenarios and question after question (like: Wouldn't Naruto also get angry if any of his other friends would die just like she did?). But what is written in paper is that she did this out of her selfish desire (as stated by herself) and the consequences were bound to be negative if not for previous planning thanks to the 4th hokage.
No action is entirely altruistic. The shinobi in this battle are fighting for the benefit of their preservation.
May I remind you that they were indeed in conflict and the reason they are together is because of what Gaara told them. Not every action is altruistic, but and the moment, they are fighting for what Sakura has spoken: To protect a comrade.
A contestable action with both selfless and selfish intentions but ultimately resulted in a positive outcome.
No need to discuss this one further then. You can see that both Neji and Hinata shared the same decision, but with different mondsets and outcomes.
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What would your proposed alternative be then? That no one interfere and allow Pain the ability to abscond with Naruto so he can remain incarcerated in Akatsuki's lair until the day he is finally murdered in the extraction process of Kurama? I already went over this exact same dispute with another forum member. Naruto unleashing the 6TK, thus releasing himself from Pain's grasp, and relying on the possibility that Naruto will somehow manage to regain his composure is a preferable outcome to allowing Akatsuki to capture Kurama whilst having one of its most powerful members within its ranks still when the war commences. If that had occurred then the alliance would have been doomed barring the intervention of the Kages but even then with Kabuto's contribution of Edo Tensei, specifically Madara, they would merely be delaying the inevitable as Naruto would not be there to rescue them from imminent defeat.
Refer to what I said above. Plus considering all odds and the previous manga evidence, you can be crystal clear that, if he didn't get out of his 4 tails mode without outside help (Sakura, his love interest of all people, couldn't reach him. Yamato with both his technique and the necklace in Naruto's neck was the one who was finally able to make Naruto revert out of the 4-tail kyuubi state), then getting out of the 6-tail cloak was too much of a hopeless situation to even consider.
Alternative: What can I propose? At the moment, my mind is tired and I can't come up with something that Kishi could've done. Yet I do keep in mind that this experience happened before and you learn from previous experiences. So I highly doubt that they would let what happened to Gaara happen to Naruto too (after all, why was Shikaku planning to contact the other villages already?). Keep in mind that these great minds (Shikaku, Shikamaru) were not in the previous rescue mission. ANd if you wish to debate this point, keep in mind that Madara recognized the thread in him, thus killing him.
His actions are commendable albeit they did create the predicament of Naruto temporarily losing his resolve to battle.
Which many in this site have admitted that this was really out of character for Naruto. Some even say that this whole chapter made every other character go out of his way just to give Hinata development. These are just opinions, of course, but just like you said, the repercussions of their actions are what we're currently discussing.
At the time, Naruto was simply that, a comrade, their relationship did not truly develop until the preliminary matches as Sakura was proclaiming her support to him. Her actions provided a momentary barrier for Naruto and Sasuke against Team Dosu but she would have been killed without Team 10's interference. Furthermore, the sheer scale of those respective occurrences are entirely different. Sakura was protecting her two comrades in a military proctored operation where the killing of others was permitted. At the time, though this may sound harsh, but Naruto and Sasuke's deaths would have been inconsequential to the grand occurrence of things as both of them had yet to become embroiled with the Akatsuki's or international affairs. Although I suppose you could dispute that by Naruto having died Kurama would eventually resurface elsewhere and Akatsuki may take that initiative to capture him.
Yet despite all of these comments, we see many positive outcomes in Sakura maturing both as a ninja and as a woman and other gaining the courage to fight (points at the Ino-Shika-Cho trio). Sure we can say the same thing about Hinata gaining the confidence she lacked, and that would make this point stand, because both of them progressed as characters. Plus considering Naruto's life, he was involved with Akatsuki ever since he was born (indirectly, but yeah).
You can also read KnS's previous post for depth on many other characters who have been willing to protect Naruto one way or another and the repercusions of each one of them.
Well allowing that to become a possibility is less detrimental than directly providing Akatsuki with Kurama by allowing Pain to capture Naruto. The organization was still acquiring the necessary funds and preparations to begin their pursuit of the nine beasts. It is possible that another village could have potentially subdued Kurama before Akatsuki becomes involved. Both Hinata and Sakura were going to die in those two situations. The difference becomes a matter of the severity of the situation which I already explained above.
Yes, and there also needs to be an understanding of the precise conditions and potential repercussions of those two events. I believe already thoroughly expressed that information above.
And I also explained myself above. Moving on...
What about the repercussions to their lack of decisiveness? If Hinata and Sakura had not selected to protect Naruto then he would have been killed. The difference exists in that there are many more potential courses of action which can be taken in the event that Sakura is unable to protect Naruto from Team Dosu than Pain successfully capturing him and being available to do battle in the 4th ninja war.
Feel free to elaborate on this one. But before doing that, keep in mind what we have discussed so far, KnS post regarding other people (since for some reason, you're only trying to deny Sakura's achievements when I'm saying that she has not been the only one protecting Naruto) and the act that I just provided you a possibility. Again, we're only discussing theories. The facts are still written in the manga, though.
Cause and effect. Hinata's efforts more than likely prevented an ineluctable cataclysmic from occurring with the alliance forces susceptible to Pain's overwhelming wrath. ET would not be canceled, Itachi would remain under Kabuto's authority, and the alliance would be effectively doomed in the event that Nagato succeeded in capturing Kurama. Sakura's actions postponed Naruto's death but even if he were killed there are a myriad of unknown variables such as where Kurama would rematerialize and who would detain him to reduce the full impact of her actions.
Again, trying to reduce Sakura's actions... Need I remind you that Naruto would've died if he reached Nine Tails mode? Hinata did not save Naruto. It was the 4th Hokage who got Naruto out of his tailed beast state. Hinata made him turn into 6 tails and I already discussed this before in this post.
Plus with this statement you are actually agreeing to Sakura's actions as being courageous and thus, ultimately saving his teammate (again, remember that her determination prompted a positive effect, not a negative one).
I'm not attempting to trivialize one or the other's efforts. I only wish to understand the circumstances of what was and what could have happened in these two scenarios.
If Sakura would not have defended Naruto, then the sound nija would probably kill him, she would not develop as a character (instead, she could've lived her life regretting not protecting her teaammates) and Team Ino-Shika_Cho would be branded as cowards. Plus like you said: Nine Tails rampage mode once again.
If Hinata would not have defended Naruto, Pain would've taken him alive, but we have a Shikaku already planning to contact the other villages. This can develop into even more points of discussion, but in the end, there was a chance to save Naruto. Plus how do you think Shikaku would act if Hinata would've told him of what she was seeing? Again, recalling the Gaara arc, I would highly doubt that they would let that happen again.
So in the end, if the actions would not have happened, then the story would proceed on a different path. But our point of discussion is the fact that what Hinata did has happened before and that Minato would need to thank everyone who has protected his son. Plus if he was watchign all the time, then he has seen everything and the words he conveyed in this chapter are a reflection of what he believes he needs to address. So your final choice would be to ask Minato himself why he didn't thank Hinata.
How impactful would Naruto's death at the time be though? Would Kurama have fallen into possession of an organization determined to bringing about what amounts to the apocalypse? Would their actions entail the absolute destruction of all five great nations' militaries in a final conflict to decide the fate of the world?
Questions without answers due to reasons I already explained. In the end, what we have left would be theories and possibilities.
This is true. The differences lie in the enormity of their contributions and what impact they will create.
Yet in the end, the facts still remain. Like I said above: you want him to thank Hinata, then ask him (or Kishimoto) to do so. None of them have felt the need to do so, so what can we do about it?
I already provided an analysis of the possible events that would have occurred to differentiate between Hinata's act of defending Naruto and Sakura's. There was a much greater element of urgency and despair with Pain's attempt to kidnap Naruto than almost everything else in the manga prior. Had he succeeded... Well I already outline my sentiments on the matter.
A greater element of urgency... pardon me but Naruto being in the verge of death either in the beginning or in the end of the manga would create fatal consequences no matter which theory we propose. So there will always be urgency when Naruto is in the brink of death and anyone who protects him is worthy of being mentioned/honored.
Look, in the end, it all comes down to your wish for Minato to recognize Hinata's efforts to protect Naruto. It didn't happen, so let's move on. You can repond to this if you wish to, but I don;t want to dig further into the topic, as I feel that this if getting off-topic. So in the end, agree to disagree and let's continue our discussion about the chapter.
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I'll never understand minimizing the depth of his feelings in order to basically elevate the feelings of a secondary character above him. But that's just me.
