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[RyrineaHaruno]

I agree, that it would mess up the flow of the story and how can he keep his promise.

[Verilance]

You know Tsunade COULD have the possibly of recovery in order to become Seventh aslo like a second term when Danzo is gone but who knows really. I AM speculation that he will become the Nanadaime and Konahamaru would be the tenth.

No even if she became Hokage again she would be the Godaime because the Sandaime was the sandaime even though he was hokage again after Yondaime.

[JABR]

I expect either Tsunade will recover and return to office or die perhaps defending someone important to her (Sakura, Shizune?).

I do wonder if Clan heads are eligible for the spot of Hokage seeing as the only one we've seen was given his spot by the first and second hokages.

[Freakazoid]

Wasn't the fourth hokage during the gaiden? I'm not sure about it, I'll have to re-read the arc and see if it says. Though remember in eras like Naruto's when armys went to war, the leader didn't command it from a seat in an office. They lead it in the battlefield, so I think the whole MUST stay in the village thing could be argued either way. We won't know that for sure unless they touch on it in the manga.

I just don't see so many others gaining the title of hokage before Naruto...just doesn't seem right.

[Nawheetos]

Wasn't the fourth hokage during the gaiden? I'm not sure about it, I'll have to re-read the arc and see if it says. Though remember in eras like Naruto's when armys went to war, the leader didn't command it from a seat in an office. They lead it in the battlefield, so I think the whole MUST stay in the village thing could be argued either way. We won't know that for sure unless they touch on it in the manga.

I just don't see so many others gaining the title of hokage before Naruto...just doesn't seem right.

He wasn't hokage during the gaiden - at least, no coat, and nobody called him that, and he referred to himself as a jounin - but as the stats have it down (I think) that Kakashi became a jounin age 13, and the timeline says he was about 14 when the Fourth died, it can't have been long after. And he wasn't Hokage very long We don't actually know how old he was... but apparently he was younger than Kakashi is now

The way I see it, Kishi has arranged things so that Tsunade can pass on the title without dying, and the Hokage that follows her wont last very long... just enough time for Naruto to be ready

[Cloud]

You know Tsunade COULD have the possibly of recovery in order to become Seventh aslo like a second term when Danzo is gone but who knows really. I AM speculation that he will become the Nanadaime and Konahamaru would be the tenth.

......... Nanadaime is the seventh.

Tenth would be Judaime.

Also, if Tsunade recovered, she would technically still be Godaime (The Fifth)

[RyrineaHaruno]

......... Nanadaime is the seventh.

Tenth would be Judaime.

Also, if Tsunade recovered, she would technically still be Godaime (The Fifth)

I forgot about that, and I am not good with number in the Japaneses language.

Edited by RyrineaHaruno, 22 June 2009 - 11:49 PM.

[Dreamer]

I personally feel Tsunade will stay in office long enough to give the title to Naruto. If Naruto finds a way to overthrow Danzou that will prove his leadership that some say he lacks and i really don't want Kakashi to have it because it would tarnish the title of Hokage. (To be Hokage represents the protector of the village and hero just like the past Hokages have been.)

[RyrineaHaruno]

se it would tarnish the title of Hokage.

He protected the village as well and almost die trying. so why would it Tarnish the title. Now having Danzo as the Hokage Tarnishes it in my opinion.

[Dreamer]

I didn't see Kakashi defeating a single path, only protected Chouji/Chouza, and technically he did die momentarily. (Naruto demolished them all by himself, saved all the people that were still alive in the village and helped bring back everyone that was killed including Kakashi..)

It would also create a weakness gap, let me further explain before jumping the gun on me: for instance the 7 swordsman of the mist, their leader would be like "well let's let Konoha's hero go off on a mission while we annihilate konoha and little kakashikage" each swordsman is at kage level strength and it would be another scenario like the Pain Arc with the village being destroyed while Naruto is gone and not their to protect it. That is one reason why Gaara is the Kazekage of the Sand because he is more capable of protecting his village compared to other sand shinobi.

Well, Danzou is only a substitute Hokage until the Konoha election is held to determine the official Hokage or Tsunade wakes back up to resume position. I only see Danzou as a short plot device and will be killed or dethroned by the time the election start or Tsunade wakes up.

Edited by 6thHokage, 23 June 2009 - 12:19 AM.

[Freakazoid]

I didn't see Kakashi defeating a single path, only protected Chouji/Chouza, and technically he did die momentarily. (Naruto demolished them all by himself, saved all the people that were still alive in the village and helped bring back everyone that was killed including Kakashi..)

It would also create a weakness gap, let me further explain before jumping the gun on me: for instance the 7 swordsman of the mist, their leader would be like "well let's let Konoha's hero go off on a mission while we annihilate konoha and little kakashikage" each swordsman is at kage level strength and it would be another scenario like the Pain Arc with the village being destroyed while Naruto is gone and not their to protect it. That is one reason why Gaara is the Kazekage of the Sand because he is more capable of protecting his village compared to other sand shinobi.

Well, Danzou is only a substitute Hokage until the Konoha election is held to determine the official Hokage or Tsunade wakes back up to resume position. I only see Danzou as a short plot device and will be killed or dethroned by the time the election start or Tsunade wakes up.

Kakashi is really hyped up and is then usually laying in a bed for weeks at a time, so definatly agree with the point you are trying to get across.

One question though.... what is going on in your sig? Looks like the fourth fighting a 12-13 yo Naruto?

[RyrineaHaruno]

He took on by himself one of the seven swords man and bet him to a bloody pulp. These people or like the sainin level, so their would be no power level difference in my opinion he was trained by the fourth also. I am not hyping him up, I am just saying he better then Danzo as a Hokage I think at least.

Edited by RyrineaHaruno, 23 June 2009 - 12:26 AM.

[Cloud]

He took on by himself one of the seven swords man and bet him to a bloody pulp. These people or like the sainin level, so their would be no power level difference in my opinion he was trained by the fourth also. I am not hyping him up, I am just saying he better then Danzo as a Hokage I think at least.

...... Bloody pulp?

Kakashi got himself trapped by Zabuza and had his students bail him out. Both of were on an even level during that time, and Zabuza was nowhere near Sannin level.

Also, of course he's better than Danzo. You're comparing a genius ninja to a blind evil bat.

[Dreamer]

Kakashi is really hyped up and is then usually laying in a bed for weeks at a time, so definatly agree with the point you are trying to get across.

One question though.... what is going on in your sig? Looks like the fourth fighting a 12-13 yo Naruto?

Yeah, your right about Kakashi's laziness is another factor.

I'm not really sure at first i thought i saw a birth mark scar on the cheek up close but then again i think it's Minato. I got if off someone at NF, I guess it resembles Naruto/Minato life in high speed Hirashin No Jutsu form, showing Madara with a masked on. I did think Minato fought Madara a little during the Kyuubi invasion on Konoha. That explains how he told naruto that he couldn't beat him. (Minato had the speed to keep up with Madara but not the power to take him down. Which is the opposite for Naruto; All Naruto needs is the other half of Kyuubi and his fathers Hirashin No Jutsu to complete the equation of Madara's defeat.)

Edited by 6thHokage, 23 June 2009 - 12:43 AM.

[ciardha]

RE: Power/strength levels... I think Sakura is strong and excellent at what she does but she's still badly mismatched against many others. She isn't a long range fighter by any means and her ninjutsu abilities are non-existent. So I'm leaving her where I had her, ranked below Temari and Karin, in a tie with Hinata and Ino.

Bwah, hah hah below Karin? Don't think so! Remember, at 13 Sakura dispelled Kabuto's sleep genjutsu, she also used substitution jutsu heavily during the Chunnin exams. Plus ninjutsu involves seal knowledge and Sakura has a very high level of seal knowledge. More accurately she would be ranked high standard level, knowledge at elite Jonin level, application- upper level Chunnin.

Karin is more likely ranked around Ino and Hinata's level in ninjutsu, pretty standard Chunin, like Iruka.

[RyrineaHaruno]

Bwah, hah hah below Karin? Don't think so! Remember, at 13 Sakura dispelled Kabuto's sleep genjutsu, she also used substitution jutsu heavily during the Chunnin exams. Plus ninjutsu involves seal knowledge and Sakura has a very high level of seal knowledge. More accurately she would be ranked high standard level, knowledge at elite Jonin level, application- upper level Chunnin.

Karin is more likely ranked around Ino and Hinata's level in ninjutsu, pretty standard Chunin, like Iruka.

I agree, she not below Karin at all lol.

[shadow_Uzumaki]

Yeah, your right about Kakashi's laziness is another factor.

I'm not really sure at first i thought i saw a birth mark scar on the cheek up close but then again i think it's Minato. I got if off someone at NF, I guess it resembles Naruto/Minato life in high speed Hirashin No Jutsu form, showing Madara with a masked on. I did think Minato fought Madara a little during the Kyuubi invasion on Konoha. That explains how he told naruto that he couldn't beat him. (Minato had the speed to keep up with Madara but not the power to take him down. Which is the opposite for Naruto; All Naruto needs is the other half of Kyuubi and his fathers Hirashin No Jutsu to complete the equation of Madara's defeat.)

Sig's from Naruto Ultimate Ninja 3, Minato's playable and that's basically his whole 'super' technique using Hiraishin. He's also voiceless, a silent character. Seems like player's using it on Naruto.

Edited by shadow_Uzumaki, 23 June 2009 - 07:26 AM.

[JABR]

Bwah, hah hah below Karin? Don't think so! Remember, at 13 Sakura dispelled Kabuto's sleep genjutsu, she also used substitution jutsu heavily during the Chunnin exams. Plus ninjutsu involves seal knowledge and Sakura has a very high level of seal knowledge. More accurately she would be ranked high standard level, knowledge at elite Jonin level, application- upper level Chunnin.

Karin is more likely ranked around Ino and Hinata's level in ninjutsu, pretty standard Chunin, like Iruka.

Look underneath the underneath.

All of the Sound Nin we've seen are MUCH stronger then their Leaf counterparts requiring some careful though by Kishi or just outright cheating for the latter to win. Ie Sasuke weakening the Sound trio during the exams or Chouji and Neji almost dying.

In addition Kin and Tayuya drew Shikamaru as an opponent and he's not someone to be ashamed of losing to.

That in mind, I can almost guarantee you that Karin is both stronger and smarter then she's been shown thus far.

[Jenskott]

RE: Power/strength levels... I think Sakura is strong and excellent at what she does but she's still badly mismatched against many others. She isn't a long range fighter by any means and her ninjutsu abilities are non-existent. So I'm leaving her where I had her, ranked below Temari and Karin, in a tie with Hinata and Ino.

Bwah, hah hah below Karin? Don't think so! Remember, at 13 Sakura dispelled Kabuto's sleep genjutsu, she also used substitution jutsu heavily during the Chunnin exams. Plus ninjutsu involves seal knowledge and Sakura has a very high level of seal knowledge. More accurately she would be ranked high standard level, knowledge at elite Jonin level, application- upper level Chunnin.

Karin is more likely ranked around Ino and Hinata's level in ninjutsu, pretty standard Chunin, like Iruka.

Sakura below Karin? I don't think so either. We have see nothing so far suggests that.

And in the last databook, the kunoichi rank was ike this: SAKURA > Temari > Ino >Hinata > Ten Ten.

Alright. Databook 3 was very weird and somewhat inconsistent, specially when you read the characters' power levels, but according that official source, Sakura is more powerful than Temari, a full-fledged jounin. Definitely she's more powerful than Ino, Hinata or Ten Ten.

[Lazy-Genius]

It really depends on the situation. Long range, Termari's better then Sakura. Ino works well with Shikamaru or Choji, who can hold the opponent down while she does her technique. Against someone like Kurenai, Sakura would probably do the best out of the rest of the kunoichi. Hinata's close range (like Sakura). Sakura vs Hinata, Sakura would probably win (I'm picturing Hinata running up to Sakura to use her gentle fist then BAM! *Hinata goes flying off into the distance* ) and Tenten works better with a team also. She can keep up a constant barrage of weapons while Neji and Lee keep charging in and trying to land a hit on the opponent. The opponent has to constantly be blocking her weapons as well as watching out for Neji and Lee, leaving no attack room.