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[Hopestar]

Why people cannot except the inevitable because as of right now SS is dead, NH no improvements & will remain as perferrable friends. NS like everyone has proclaim had the most hints abd greates possibilty to happen. Hell the recent arc had proven that when Sakura had felt pain in heart after witnessing Naruto in his 4th tail kyuubi form. She even cry for him because he can die if Kyuubi were ever seperate from him back in the Rescue Gaara arc. :yinyang:

[gamerman_007]

Denile is a b*tch.

Anyways, after realizing my little fact, I came to the conclusion that:

1) Hinata does not love naruto, maybe a small crush, but not love
2) Naruto isnt the center of her existence, she wants to be stoing like him, to be more like him, but not be with him.
3) Hinata's goal is to be accepted by her family.
4) Hinata is not concerned with dating.

Finally, we can claim that naruhina is dead. 100% dead. A ship that hasnt even been built.

Now to sasusaku:
If they ever got together it would be a very angsty relationship. And the problem is sasuke. Sasuke is selfish. He takes alot and gives very little. He would need a female like naruto, a female who would give alot, and take very little. Sakura could not be this female. What sakura does for sasuke was so that sasuke would show the warm feelings he did at the bench (it was naruto actually, interesting). She did so sasuke would love her.

And there are some who say that naruto and sakura are to close to be together. I was under the impression the closer you got, the more intimate you became. So all relationships need both parties to feel uncomfortable around each other? o rly?

[Ani]

Yeah, I dont like the whole "Naruto and Sakura are more like brother and sister". Yeah, its true Naruto and Sakura are like best friends. But you know in most manga when best friends are a boy and a girl. they fall in love. Well, in some cases at least. XD

And yes. Denile sucks.

[gamerman_007]

Well yeah thats true. In any anime/manga when 2 charcters (boy and girl) like each other, they'll do the do.

But why naruhina fans keep denying that their pairing is dead, i shall never know.

[surlymoogle]

I just got tipped off that in a raw chapter in Japan that Naruto and Hinata kiss. Two people told me on youtube..but both are NaruHina fans so i doubt its a lie. Later on I asked if they hooked up..the guy's reply was "duhhh".

Er...so am I to presume from this that there are just infinite future raw chapters floating around over in Japan, instead of the one new one that comes out every week?

Yeah, I'll believe that when I see it with my own eyes, not hear it third-hand from a "source" consisting of desperate NaruHina fans.

[Vespar]

It's probably a really well-done fan manga. Or if there was some truth to it; an anime filler. However, I doubt director's of the anime would ever write themselves into a corner on that one. I'll give them atleast THAT much credit.

[Nick Soapdish]

There is new forum devoted entirely to NaruSaku vs. SasuSaku.

So if you're looking for a good debate, they'd be a good bet. But play nice. We wouldn't want mobs of angry SasuSaku-ers following you back here, kay?

[gamerman_007]

Dear lord, that guy's an idiot.
*cracks nuckles*

yes it would seem that way but its different. it's safer to assume naruto can change his love feelings from sakura to someone else not necessarily hinata than to assume sakura can change from sasuke to someone else not necessarily naruto.
the reasons is simple
1) naruto has never said he loves sakura. in chapter 3 he said why he likes her not loves her. with that being said, i still assume naruto loves her. just to be on the safer side. he has a crush on her after all.

Would you face down a demon and summon the strength to fight it......for a simple crush? And to my understanding a crush is selfish. Naruto is not selfish. And though naruto can choose to love someone else, he wont. If he was in a room with a ton of pretty chicks that woudl instantly date him, he still wouldnt choose any of 'em.

2) the goodbye scene. many narusaku fans ignore the events that occured there just because she was 12? or because she was desperate? truthfully these reasons are inconclusive. i could also say since naruto was 12, he didn't really love sakura. :laugh i know that's stupid but its similar
3) when naruto brought tsunade to treat sasuke, he realized sakura's true feelings for sasuke. even tsunade was surprised. it was also clear that sakura was visiting sasuke every day.:huh i mean she is addicted to the guy :laugh but seriously naruto could tell how she truly felt for sasuke.
4)promise of a life time scene. another thing that made me realize sakura loves sasuke was when naruto said it himself. if u watch the anime or read the manga again, naruto said to sakura '' you really love sasuke'' it was after he said that he then made the promise. that was the actual reason.
it was those scenes that practically killed narusaku for me. i am sure this happened to many narusaku fans. it now in part 2 that narusaku seems to pick up again but still all those events in part one should not be ignored.

The thing is, sakura loved an IMAGE of sasuke, an image created by her own delusions and the sasuke fanclub. Naruto loved the real sakura. BIG ASS DIFFERENCE!
Naruto noticed how much she cared for sasuke, and decided to stop trying to get her.
He wants to rescue sasuke so sakura would be happy, because he thinks sakura will only love sasuke.

i agree he has a crush on sakura but although i assume he loves her...in that way, i dont think he does love her. come on the hospital scene and the promise of a life time.....u don't have to agree with this but at least u can understand why i think so. i also realized something. some people think if he likes another girl it goes against his character or something funny like that:laugh naruto never said that he will make sure that sakura falls for him. some guys assome this too much. its like naruto can never let go of sakura.....that kind of troublesome. also i know naruto never said he loves hinata but like i said be for it could happen. i mean he thought she was a weido and later in the manga he said he likes people like her. :wink i think time would tell. i believe something will happen between naruto and hinata . i am sure u know this. wether it is romantic or not that is what i want to find out. but i only assume it is romantic because of hinata.

This sentence reeks of BS. Naruto can like another girl, and it wont be against his character, but really now, which girl has he formed a seroius relationship with? And yes i do think he loves her, but its definetly not a crush. Something has happened between naruhina, they became friends. Thats it.

actually this is something i noticed and i am sure u will if u look closely. all narusaku fans either hate/deslike sasuke, or hate/dislike hinata, or they hate/dilike both. this is the truth. like u said there are exceptions. those that dont hate hinata or sasuke like crack parrings. for example sasuhina fans are the exceptions. i mean naruhina is more possible that sasuhina but they prefer sasuhina and could even argue with you. kibahina fans are also like that. its just the truth. there is hardly a narusaku fan that this does not apply to . u can check it out for yourself.

you hate it when we clump you guys togetherbut you go on a head and do it to us? I as a narusaku fan, dont give 2 kittens abotu sasuke, but i like hinata. Mizura from NF is a hinata fan. There are a couple members here that also like hinata. The majority of us though dont care or dislike sasuke. There is though one sasuke lover from NF narusaku though. I know some prefer sasuhina (like me), but wont argue for it. Cause its a crack pairing. That paragraph full of BS can kiss my shiny ass.

''believe in yourself and u can become a new person''
thats her theme. well if she believes in herself and she becomes a new person maybe naruto can fall in love with this ''new hinata'' :laugh its a possibility:wink

Why is it that the hardcore ones naruhina believe that hinata's goal is to win naruto's heart? She wants to be stronger like him. Has she ever hoped that one day naruto would look at her like he looks at sakura? Nope.

there you go aethos-san, have good one!

also anyone wanna help me? A hardcore naruhina fan isnt listening to logic or reasoning, help me please!

[gamerman_007]

It seems so.......empty. We mustl flood the place with narusaku!

[Ani]

Nice job, gamer-kun. :thumbs: I actually like Sasuke and Hinata. Sasuke more than Hinata, though. Dont know why. But yeah, I like both of those characters that suppossedly "all NaruSaku's hate". And whats the matter with liking crack pairings? Some crack pairings actually have good points. So what if I like SasuHina? I also like ShikaSaku. And KibaHina seems more possible than NaruHina, if you ask me.

[gamerman_007]

Aw shucks.

But considering the fact that kiba and hinata have talked to each other far longer then naruhina have, and that hinata can actually talk to kiba without fainting, yeah.

And i have a new crack pairing:
Sasuke x Sasame.

Crack are good.

[Ani]

Exactly. They have talked so much more than Naruto and Hinata.

[Nick Soapdish]

Hmm.

I don't seem to fit the profile of a NaruSaku fan very well.

The hospital scene and especially the Promise of a Lifetime were what made me realize that Naruto truly loves Sakura and they're what made me a NaruSaku fan.

And I like both Sasuke and Hinata, although I think that Sasuke fits the profile of a villain better right now. He's my favorite villain (which is faint praise because I don't think Kishi developed any of the others very well), but he's probably also a top five character for me period. (I'm not good at giving exact rankings.)

[DazeDreamer]

No, it never really had life.

1)Hinata's goal was never to be with naruto, win his heart, or hell, date anyone. Hinata's goal was to be accepted by her family. This has been her goal since day one.

Both sides of naruhina arent remotely interesting in each other as BF/GF.

Ah so true...Anyway great job too Gamer-kun! And yeah I used to like SasuHina but then I found KibaHina so much more cuter! Oh btw whoever wrote that quote that Atheos posted: Crack does strange things to people.

[gamerman_007]

*scratches arms*
what?
Crack are good.
I support these crack pairings:

Sasukexhinata
SasukexSasame (i <3 it XD)

cause angst-muffins need love to. X3

Thanks to my over-anaylizing brain, i discovered a way for sasusaku to happen. Which is plausible.

Itachi brutally smacks sakura down, sasuke gets pissed, he then gets smacked around. Then he realizes fighting for friends makes one stronger, he then unlocks the MS, or gains the power to pwn itachi.

Though thanks to my over-anylzing brain, i have found many ways to kill it. Cookies to whoever can figure it out.

[Hopestar]

It seems so.......empty. We mustl flood the place with narusaku!

<{POST_SNAPBACK}>

Then resigner because I just did few minutes ago. And your one it is empty meaning we must imform more NS like ourselves to enter so we at least have enough NS army to go up against SS. :yinyang:

[Ani]

To kill a pairing? There are many ways that you can think of to kill a pairing.

[Hopestar]

I would to see you try man!

Anyway thanks to Nick-soapdish there is a new site called NS vs. SS this way anyone who are fan either couple can join in and fight. http://z7.invisionfree.com/NaruSaku_vs_SasuSaku/index.php?act=idx
However as you'll notice when you scroll down our side is completely dead. Like only has two people responding none other. This could eventually become a problem as more amine episodes & manga chapters are release.

[surlymoogle]

2) the goodbye scene. many narusaku fans ignore the events that occured there just because she was 12? or because she was desperate? truthfully these reasons are inconclusive. i could also say since naruto was 12, he didn't really love sakura. :laugh i know that's stupid but its similar

But she was desperate in that scene. That very moment is the climax of Sakura's fantasy about Sasuke. To her, that was supposed to be the ultimate moment of recognition, the moment when the purity of her feelings was supposed to win him over, when he was supposed to accept and be transformed by her "love"...except that Sasuke refused. He couldn't reciprocate, because he simply didn't feel the same way, nor had he ever.

And I believe that's the real meaning of that scene. It's not even so much about trying to keep him from leaving Konoha, or else Sakura wouldn't have jumped ahead offering to go with him. It's about her, in the face of potentially losing Sasuke forever, desperately trying to make Sasuke conform to her idea of Sasuke, instead of being confronted with the nasty reality that her Sasu-dreamboat is a traitor to the Leaf who cares more about revenge than his teammates.

And no, I don't take Sasuke's "Thank you" to have any romantic underpinning whatsoever. To me it's a "Thank you for bothering to care so much about me." Which he might have expressed to Naruto had he also been there.

YMMV, but that's my interpretation.

3) when naruto brought tsunade to treat sasuke, he realized sakura's true feelings for sasuke. even tsunade was surprised. it was also clear that sakura was visiting sasuke every day.:huh i mean she is addicted to the guy :laugh but seriously naruto could tell how she truly felt for sasuke.

Why no, I don't mind repeating this until I'm blue in the face: That Sakura's always been in love with her own IDEA of Sasuke (that wasn't helped any by henge-Naruto), who doesn't have a whole hell of a lot in common with the REAL Sasuke--the guy who, after she sat at his bedside peeling apples in a doting wifely sort of manner, responded in kind by knocking the plate out of her hands. :rolleyes:

If anything, Naruto's reaction to Sakura hugging an utterly stoned-looking Sasuke spoke clearly of the depths of his feelings for her. He was quite clearly crushed--to the point where Tsunade made a mental note of it. And yet his expression also seemed to indicate a reluctant acceptance, because when you really love someone, you want them to be happy, even if it's not with you.

That's why, out of all the miscellaneous crushes amongst the kids, I think Naruto's feelings for Sakura are the only ones that would qualify as love--they're unselfish and mature, and it's really quite surprising that he possesses them at such a young age--but then again, he didn't exactly have the most traditional upbringing.

some people think if he likes another girl it goes against his character or something funny like that

It goes entirely against the fact that Kishimoto has been purposely drawing our attention to the Naruto/Sakura relationship since the VERY BEGINNING of the series. Why, what POSSIBLE reason could there be for having Naruto suddenly drop the feelings he's had from day effing one on a whim, after Kishi-san has devoted so much precious panel time to them, to go after Hinata or whoever?

Unless it's as a temporary red herring. Which I'd forgive him for. Eventually.

also i know naruto never said he loves hinata but like i said be for it could happen. i mean he thought she was a weido and later in the manga he said he likes people like her.

Naruto likes quite a few people, in case no one's noticed. It's not like Hinata has any real special distinction there. Him saying it was a big deal for Hinata (which is why it was included in the manga in the first place), but what major impact has it had on him? None. He was simply commenting, "Hey, you're not a bad guy," which I guess translates to some people as "I WUB YOU 4EVAR!1!!"

It's rather touching the way people latch on to that essentially meaningless phrase like a life preserver...

actually this is something i noticed and i am sure u will if u look closely. all narusaku fans either hate/deslike sasuke, or hate/dislike hinata, or they hate/dilike both. this is the truth. like u said there are exceptions. those that dont hate hinata or sasuke like crack parrings.

Yeah, the same way that NaruHina fans hate Sakura ("OMG that b*tch does not deserve Naruto!!!") and SasuSaku fans hate...Sakura, which makes you wonder why some of 'em bother shipping it in the first place. Terminal stages of Sasuketardism, maybe.

As for this NaruSaku fan? I enjoy Sasuke as a villain, but he's clearly Kishimoto's Mary Sueboy and his so-emo-it-hurts business gets real tiresome. As for Hinata, I never would have thought twice about her if not for the Hinatards. Their obnoxiousness spurred my initial dislike--though I've backpedaled somewhat. I think she has some potential as a character, but only independent of Naruto. Otherwise she hasn't "become a new person" at all, and her purpose in the story is moot.