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[sushi.]

 

We have a politics thread. At least 3 (maybe 4) users have brought it up in this thread. Politics should remain in the politics thread. This is a general warning to the entire thread. If people still insist in brining politics into this thread, I will start ejecting those people from it.

It was just a joke I don't see how it counts as politics discussion.

[gamma]

I honestly had to make an account just to spill my guts cause I'm laughing/fuming so hard at this guy, because this is just blatant advertising to prop up a character and a story thats long been dulled out and overrated.

Sakura. She was the one that got me into this series. And this interview isn't even about NaruSaku, or any ships imo. This is an outright blow to Sakura that just ended her relevancy for good.

I'm a Sakura fan before a NaruSaku/Naruto fan. Do you know why? Because she WORKED for her power; all of it, raw. Left behind by her teammates for their own purposes, forgotten by her own sensei---because idk just maybe he got lost on the road of life for two straight years and couldn't even be bothered to care I just don't know---, she made up her own mind not only for the sake of friends, but to more importantly empower her Part 1 self. Tsunade didn't even offer Sakura an apprenticeship like Orochimaru and Jiraiya had; she instead had the cause and ambition to seek it out herself. This is what hooked me onto her for good.

She didn't come from a fancy ancient fairytale god-like clan/bloodline/whatever either that called for special notice. While Naruto and Sasuke blasted their way towards their goals and eventually to each other with their unholy powers that could obliterate the world with the snap of their fingers, Sakura paved her own roads with quiet consistency, while doing her best to keep their angst-ridden team together. She is wholesome, empathetic, curious, and most of all, humanizing. Sakura is a hero in her own right. I will never understand anyone who looks down on her.

She's such an unfortunate character. They wrote her so good in the early part of shippuden only to push her off a cliff just because people simply don't like her? (Advice: fix her, or rather add onto her if she has low popularity. Show them what she can do, don't just toss her if she doesn't work out. Your the writers; you breathe life into this now lifeless manga. Add an extra backstory to her, her own arc, her achievements and hardships throughout the years. Ffs something, anything.) It's just a shame that Hinata---with the personality of a pillow "shook the world" or whatever tf they claimed her to do---turned Sakura into her stepping stool, eventually broke apart Team Seven, and was one of the dominoing factors to ruin the series, is hailed like as if she actually did something benefical to anything at all. Two words: no thanks.

Anyways good luck. I hope you savor the feeling of your big wallet in your front pocket Kishimoto, because when bad writing sounds like poorly written fanfiction for the cost of just one character that you've continuously pushed down our throats, and then fanfiction ITSELF that teenagers conjured up in a week starts to make more sense than the **** you've dished out to us thus far, we've all lost.

Edited by lux, 06 February 2017 - 07:29 PM.

[tricksie]

It was just a joke I don't see how it counts as politics discussion.

As Nate said, it wasn't so much about your post as a warning to the entire thread. (There were a few others before you posting out and out political stuff). It's a snowball effect in replying to those things, and before we'd know it, the thread could be derailed. 

 

Good reminder for this and all threads - keep political discussions in the politics thread. We can all unite behind our dislike of the ending and the travesty that is Boruto! 

[BlueStarSaber]

I really wish Kishi was never shown those super biased Naruto Youtube weeb videos.  Honestly, he should only care about what the Japan fans say. Could have avoided this whole mess. 
In fact, he could have avoided this whole mess if he just did what he originally planned and didn't get influenced by any editors, any companies, any weebs, ect. This is why I hate it when authors appeal to their fans.

My cousin watches RWBY and I guess something big happened. (It's pretty common knowledge that the creator passed away a couple of years ago). The fans threw a huge fit over it and wanted them to change it. The team said 'no'. Because it's how the creator wanted it/planned it to go. We need more of that.  It's the author's story. They should make it how they want it/planned it. Not bend to the will of any whiny fans who love a certain terrible character to an unhealthy amount.

 

I know some of you want him to just move on from Naruto and focus on his next work. But I honestly want him to grow out of his diapers and man the fug up. To ADMIT his lies and to ADMIT his original plans...and APOLOGIZE. 
NH fans can sit there and blindly follow his words all they want. But his past interviews exist and those provide clear contradictions. The evidence is there and they're plugging their ears, closing their eyes like little toddlers and yelling "LALALALALALALALA-"

Honestly you shouldn't base how your story ends just because certain youtube reviewers want it to end this way! It's kind like how you end with certain fans running a series that have a certain agenda. Doctor who you have have Steven Moffat putting too many of his characters like Clara have deep ties to the Doctor's backstory and lore, Spiderman you get Joe quessada for OMD and everything Dan Slott has done with the character since then or Zack Synder obession with with making anything dark and edgy along with his obsession Frank Miller's work

[Moon_Girl]

I honestly had to make an account just to spill my guts cause I'm laughing/fuming so hard at this guy, because this is just blatant advertising to prop up a character and a story thats long been dulled out and overrated.

Sakura. She was the one that got me into this series. And this interview isn't even about NaruSaku, or any ships imo. This is an outright blow to Sakura that just ended her relevancy for good.

I'm a Sakura fan before a NaruSaku/Naruto fan. Do you know why? Because she WORKED for her power; all of it, raw. Left behind by her teammates for their own purposes, forgotten by her own sensei---because idk just maybe he got lost on the road of life for two straight years and couldn't even be bothered to care I just don't know---, she made up her own mind not only for the sake of friends, but to more importantly empower her Part 1 self. Tsunade didn't even offer Sakura an apprenticeship like Orochimaru and Jiraiya had; she instead had the cause and ambition to seek it out herself. This is what hooked me onto her for good.

She didn't come from a fancy ancient fairytale god-like clan/bloodline/whatever either that called for special notice. While Naruto and Sasuke blasted their way towards their goals and eventually to each other with their unholy powers that could obliterate the world with the snap of their fingers, Sakura paved her own roads with quiet consistency, while doing her best to keep their angst-ridden team together. She is wholesome, empathetic, curious, and most of all, humanizing. Sakura is a hero in her own right. I will never understand anyone who looks down on her.

She's such an unfortunate character. They wrote her so good in the early part of shippuden only to push her off a cliff just because people simply don't like her? (Advice: fix her, or rather add onto her if she has low popularity. Show them what she can do, don't just toss her if she doesn't work out. Your the writers; you breathe life into this now lifeless manga. Add an extra backstory to her, her own arc, her achievements and hardships throughout the years. Ffs something, anything.) It's just a shame that Hinata---with the personality of a pillow "shook the world" or whatever tf they claimed her to do---turned Sakura into her stepping stool, eventually broke apart Team Seven, and was one of the dominoing factors to ruin the series, is hailed like as if she actually did something benefical to anything at all. Two words: no thanks.

Anyways good luck. I hope you savor the feeling of your big wallet in your front pocket Kishimoto, because when bad writing sounds like poorly written fanfiction for the cost of just one character that you've continuously pushed down our throats, and then fanfiction ITSELF that teenagers conjured up in a week starts to make more sense than the **** you've dished out to us thus far, we've all lost.

 

I wish I could give you all the thumbs up. I feel this way too. Sakura was my favorite character. To see her get stepped on and spat on and replaced with a literal pile of crap pisses me off to no end. Hinaturd fantards have zero taste and zero grip on reality if they think she's even half a millimeter better than Sakura. She's not even on the same level. She's billions of light years below Sakura.

[T XD]

The one that hate Sakura is like him / her hating being human. She's an achiever and got powerful on her own without any help of a super powerful creature or genetic ability to help her.

 

It's the best kind of characters to have in a story. Let alone having such a trait in life itself.

[Yyubie]

Sakura is the closest character in that manga that resemble human in real world. She struggle, she fight, she cry, etc, her emotions really describe human .... she got hate mainly because first : people can't see difference between Comedic relief and abusive relationships, second : people think she is useless, third : shes not allowed (by the author) to free and moved on from Sasuke, four : she is in the way of NH become cannon, five : the most stupid reason she is flat chest ...

[elishalicious]

Exactly, that's why it urks me to no end when I come across Anti-Sakura rants from those pro-end supporting anime reviewers on Youtube. (I forgot their names, nor do I care to remember them.) Especially back when the original manga ended. Of course, they wouldn't heavily address the wrongs of the series concerning plot, inconsistencies, regression of everybody, loss of themes, etc. They praise everything else to a certain degree and don't see much of a problem with what happened to Naruto as a whole. Yet, they have such a big problem with Sakura, posting ten minute rants about all of her character inconsistencies and "uselessness" as if SHE was the one who ruined this series. i don't mind criticism of any character and I can agree to some arguments if they are valid, but if SAKURA/NS is the only one you hate on with the same tired arguments, that's when I simply don't trust your point of view and credibility. 

 

They hate Sakura. Yet, they want Hinata to have her qualities (Her determination, her growing of power through hard work, her place in team 7, her slot as main heroine/love interest.) Interesting.

 

Like the time I visited Watchmojo's top 10 anime girls where Sakura was on the list and there were so many Hinata fans whining about her being on the list, instead of Hinata. I'm like, "What??". What did Hinata do as heroine that was so significant that it COMPLETELY outshines Sakura as a heroine, other than her "great love" for Naruto and her "loving" him first? Did Hinata save people (other than Naruto) like Sakura did? Did Hinata change herself for the better for herself, her clan, and OTHER people (other than for Naruto)? I understand Sakura's inconsistencies, Kishimoto's lack of caring, her unhealthy love for Sasuke (In KIshimoto's words) that ruined her character, but the aspect in her early growth was that she cared for people greatly. She was not perfect, but her development involved growing stronger for herself and others and caring for others, Naruto, Sasuke, and her village. She carried the dynamic of Team 7. During the Sakura and Chiyo vs. Sasori arc, Sakura literally took a STABBING for Chiyo! She conducted an antidote that saved Kankuro's life!  In some movie or filler arc, she stopped this caterpillar thing to save a child! She manually pumped the heart of Naruto to save his life! She became a great medical ninja through quiet determination.That is what I call a HEROINE!

 

A heroine, to me, is the mirror of a hero. They struggle, fight, emphasize, change, adapt, and evolve for the betterment of others that they care for. We actively see their developments and growth throughout the story. They earn their strives not through popularity as a character and/or as a last second love interest, but through natural intended story progression.Which is what we saw of Sakura throughout fifteen or so years of the story.

 

Hinata did nothing to amount to that level of selflessness as a character. You don't do heroine like things merely just for a MAN she hardly had interaction with but for the betterment of others! Yet she gets praised as the goddess of this series? That growth Sakura shown in early to mid Shippuden was the REASON why she was on that list back in 2011/2012! That's why I laughed at all the sakura hater comments. Because no matter what, they can't change Sakura's right to be on that list! Her character EARNED that sht, regardless of the ruining of her character towards the end. 

 

If they had to dim Sakura's light so hard just for Hinata to shine, that just means that Sakura was in fact the intended heroine and a main character from the start. Not the side character like Kiba (which is laughable because that is exactly what Hinata is/was.). I'm laughing at Kishimoto right now because this is just ridiculous. 

Edited by elishalicious, 08 February 2017 - 07:00 PM.

[Shadow1275]

 

Well that would be stupid, Kishi should know by now he has the power in that relationship, whatever we might think about the end, there is no denying that in the last two decades he is the one who has generated the most profit for SJW. He is a bankable commodity, any of the other publishing houses would kill for his signature. SJW know they need a new story from him son, just look at the current line up they have and there is nothing there that can have the same global presence of Naruto. They have manga like My Hero Academia  and Haikyu that can have similar appeal in Japan but on the International front, will Academia stand out in the market with the likes of Batman, Spiderman etc and Haikyu is volleyball, so that's going to be a tough sell.

 

Just look at the current manga, it started off as a manga from a new mangaka, but from the interview you can tell they are not focusing on the mangaka responsible for the manga, but making it appear it's Kishi' has a bigger role in the manga's creation than he does.

 

If I was to take a guess Kishi's answer towards the final ending was an answer to pander to the NH fanbase, he's been led to believe that the west love NH and Sakura is universally hated by us. So his answer seems geared towards that assumption, giving the answer he believes will get him the most likes on Facebook.

Past profit doesn't matter, Naruto is finished and everybody knows that it was in decline, especially nosediving after the ending. Kishi honestly doesn't gaf about NH.

 

Think about it, he gave it less than 20 panels in a 700 chapter manga, then there was the, "You say Hinata, Hinata" interview, made her trip over a rock, and wasn't even involved in The Last which was an SP project.

 

He really doesn't gaf about them, my guess is that he hates them. We all know that he doesn't really care about Boruto either, you said it yourself. They're making him seem like he's more involved. NH has always been more of SP and his editors' interest. In fact, my guess is they advised him to go forward with NH, SS, and the ten other nonsense pairings bc they realized that most of the actual money and sales from Naruto was from pairings fans.

 

For kittens sake just go back to any Road to Ninja speculation thread, any Sawyer or Forneverloved video, any Naruto forum, blog, tumblr, etc.

 

Ppl only complain about the lack of pairing moments given to their ship or boast about how one ship got trashed on or etc.

 

It's really no wonder this series soured to garbage when everybody is most concerned with who got the pairing moment of the week. Imo I don't even think Hinata should have been a love interest for Naruto, even in part one a semi intelligent person without needing the Sharingan could see that she was just really out of place and displaced a lot of characters. Part 2 as well. Her Pain speech was emotional and well done but it just seemed so out of place and.... dumb.

[Legend054]

Yeah I don't understand the hate on Sakura. She is probably the most hated character in the series. It's a damn shame. The only way her character was going to get redeemed was to get over Sasuke.

[TheFirstEvil100]

Sakura is the closest character in that manga that resemble human in real world. She struggle, she fight, she cry, etc, her emotions really describe human .... she got hate mainly because first : people can't see difference between Comedic relief and abusive relationships, second : people think she is useless, third : shes not allowed (by the author) to free and moved on from Sasuke, four : she is in the way of NH become cannon, five : the most stupid reason she is flat chest ...

I have to agree with you a tone on the whole abusive relationships cause of my mum I mean I have said on the sight a while ago how much or a prick my dad was to my mum which gets me so pissed when NH fans use that on Sakura, I mean its like they have no idea what real abuse even is like they just look away from it or that the NH are that stupied hence why NH not all mind you are stupid at least we have a few who are coming to our aid not many mind you.

 

Not sure on how Edo feels about this whole thing as he is one of the better Naruto youtubers but he does not look at interviews as far as I know I mean if someone tell him and send him a link to that one I think even he may be sick, as I know he got tired of Sakura liking Sasuke but this was before we got the interview with Kishi saying Sakura would be a bad woman if she moved on from Sasuke, which still stupid if you ask me,

 

As for the boobs thing man this is what really drives me mad hell look at the Bolt manga with Hinata small boobs the NH fans were all pissed at this shows were their minds are, which is just sad if you ask me.

[Luna]

Hahaha. I just ignore what this fools says. He can't change Sakura no matter how he tries. Him trying to erase Sakura is laughable. You should've killed her off then  because she IS the Heroine and  nothing is going to change that. lmao. 

[sushi.]

Hahaha. I just ignore what this fools says. He can't change Sakura no matter how he tries. Him trying to erase Sakura is laughable. You should've killed her off then  because she IS the Heroine and  nothing is going to change that. lmao. 

Don't worry everything after 698 is just alternative facts.

 

Kishi wrote and published Naruto mostly consistently for 15 years. He cannot unwrite Naruto, Sakura, or NS, with any lie he may come up with.

[Nate River]

Don't worry everything after 698 is just alternative facts.
 
Kishi wrote and published Naruto mostly consistently for 15 years. He cannot unwrite Naruto, Sakura, or NS, with any lie he may come up with.

Sure, he can. Was he not involved in the writing of the Last? That completely rewrote 15 years of development when it said Naruto's feelings were just part of his rivalry with Sasuke. It may be inconsistent, it may be crap, but as far as the story is concerned, it's canon. Boruto, which has his seal of approval, has done the same thing.

[sushi.]

Sure, he can. Was he not involved in the writing of the Last? That completely rewrote 15 years of development when it said Naruto's feelings were just part of his rivalry with Sasuke. It may be inconsistent, it may be crap, but as far as the story is concerned, it's canon. Boruto, which has his seal of approval, has done the same thing.

No I think differently, what was inked and published cannot be burned. Canon before 698 and after contradicts one another but both are as canon, officially at least. I just choose to believe the fact that came first.

[totherpage95]

Sure, he can. Was he not involved in the writing of the Last? That completely rewrote 15 years of development when it said Naruto's feelings were just part of his rivalry with Sasuke. It may be inconsistent, it may be crap, but as far as the story is concerned, it's canon. Boruto, which has his seal of approval, has done the same thing.

i learned that a romance writer mostly wrote the last movie not kishi; and the last chapter might not have been written by kishi. Not to mention the supposedly canon gaidens weren't written by kishi but he illustrated them and the anime is using filler to add to them so those aren't canon to me, not to mention the other plot holes 

Edited by totherpage95, 10 February 2017 - 02:29 AM.

[Moon_Girl]

I'm pretty certain Kishi had nothing to do with The Last except for character designs and approval.
Never should have approved it tho.

[Nate River]

i learned that a romance writer mostly wrote the last movie not kishi; and the last chapter might not have been written by kishi. Not to mention the supposedly canon gaidens weren't written by kishi but he illustrated them and the anime is using filler to add to them so those aren't canon to me, not to mention the other plot holes

The specifics don't matter to me. He has stood behind all of those and effectively given his seal of approval. Besides, even if I discount those, there is the fact that he wrote the dreck that was everything post Pain. For example, the infamous 693, where he murdered Sakura's character is his.

[NeonRanger]

I agree;  right after the pain Arc Sakura only went downhill from there. People even complain how Sakura wasn't a heroine during the 5 Kage Arc and considered Hinata as a better heroine. I don't agree, but even if I choose to see Naruto from 1-698 I can see why majority left Sakura to dust after Pain.

 

I've read some NH comments on the interview on how happy they are that they no longer have to acknowlege Sakura as a heroine by her fans. You can't undue what is written on paper, but you can carry a different interpretation and level of importance. His interview only gave people more of a reason to dislike Sakura and view her impact in the manga as less than average or on par with secondary characters. One debate I've seen even before the ending from Sakura fans against anti Sakura fans was her level of importance in the manga. People didn't consider  her heroine even before (and during) the War Arc (some also said she dropped after the Sasori fight). Without the interview we could at least say that Sakura was a heroine with potential if Kishi was a good writer. To say that Sakura was on par to secondary characters only gives points to antis who say that her moments can be legit given to secondary characters. All the more reason antis can back up their arguments of how removing Sakura will have no impact the manga. Kishi is not erasing the pages he'd written, but he's reducing the level of importance Sakura has had.  

Edited by NeonRanger, 10 February 2017 - 03:04 PM.

[rocci]

Yeah I don't understand the hate on Sakura. She is probably the most hated character in the series. It's a damn shame. The only way her character was going to get redeemed was to get over Sasuke.

It only reduce the hate but not make it completly disappear.
That's because her design will make people dislike her.