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[TouKen4Life3g]

@nate
Team taka has the same purpose with sai and Yamato, a fill in.
So I disagree with you that they're the worst.

What's your opinion on my latest statement?

[TouKen4Life3g]

I don't want to go over becaus I'll be here for a while, but I will have to say I agree but just barely. I can only list them, though I could be missing some:

-Heroine title
-Backward developments
-Regressed characters
-One step forward, two steps backward
-Terrible moral

That's all I can think of but I can really go on.

[TouKen4Life3g]

Statement: Itachi should have just leave Sasuke alone after the massacre.

Agree or disagree?

[Ryriena]

Statement: Itachi should have just leave Sasuke alone after the massacre.

Agree or disagree?

I tend to agree he already was traumatized by the attack I mean did he really need to put him in a genjustu that tortured him mentally for days? He should've just knocked him out or something without using a genjustu. That action made me laugh at the though of him doing that for a good reason come on he seriously kittened him up by doing that to him.

[SlyNinjaKnight]

Statement: Itachi should have just leave Sasuke alone after the massacre.

Agree or disagree?

 

I suppose it would depend on whether you mean, right after the massacre, or using Tsukuyomi when he and Kisame come after Naruto. It also depends on what direction you have Itachi going, is he a tragic hero or a villain? I would say that Itachi didn't need to use Tsukuyomi on Sasuke when he and Kisame made their first attempt on Naruto after the Sound Invasion, that was overkill IMO. Sasuke was on his way to becoming stronger and was also a somewhat likable character but it was that reintroduction to the massacre that was the straw that broke the camel's back for Sasuke's descent into madness.

[Ryriena]

 
I suppose it would depend on whether you mean, right after the massacre, or using Tsukuyomi when he and Kisame come after Naruto. It also depends on what direction you have Itachi going, is he a tragic hero or a villain? I would say that Itachi didn't need to use Tsukuyomi on Sasuke when he and Kisame made their first attempt on Naruto after the Sound Invasion, that was overkill IMO. Sasuke was on his way to becoming stronger and was also a somewhat likable character but it was that reintroduction to the massacre that was the straw that broke the camel's back for Sasuke's descent into madness.

He used a genjustu on him during the massacre, which, was crossing the line even then and which made me feel dirty and made me sick that he supposedly killed his entire family to protect the village. It made me want punch Kishimoto for saying that was a good thing Itichi did since it was for the village. Yeah right I think Itichi should've stayed a true blue villain.

[Nostradamus]

Statement: Itachi should have just leave Sasuke alone after the massacre.

Agree or disagree?

Agreed.

[VanitasDS76491]

Statement: Itachi should have just leave Sasuke alone after the massacre.

Agree or disagree?

 

Agree cause really Itachi really just sat on his ass waiting to die, So just let him or go the Sensui route with it and somehow that would have been better and made more sense and have Naruto be the one to beat Itachi. Also Don't live Sasuke get revenge cause really it accomplished nothing.
 

[NarutoUzumaki01]

If you're including that piece of kitten of a last volume, then yes. If you're willing to ignore it, then no.

It's not like Sakura has much more before it, conclusion just summed up her downfall.

Statement: Itachi should have just leave Sasuke alone after the massacre.

Agree or disagree?

No, I kind of like that idea, Itachi went full sadist on his brother, not to spare another young Uchiha or kill Sasuke with his relatives, he ultimatly led his brother to become concentrated anger of whole dead clan, wich would led him to take vengence on Konoha and fight Naruto for it, but oh well, he fought him for what? For killing kage's, or for creating new world order, or for cutting his last remaining connection dear to him?

Edited by NarutoUzumaki01, 11 February 2016 - 03:13 AM.

[rocci]

@touken
I agree that sakura is one of the worst character, because kishi lack focus on her character.
When you have a flaw (main) character, you develop him/her and not make them beautiful or handsome.

If you mean after chunin exam, I agree because imo it's too premature for them to meet.
If you mean after massacre, then no. It's a plot element that need to happen to sasuke.

[Nar123]

Statement: Itachi should have just leave Sasuke alone after the massacre.

Agree or disagree?

The fact that he tortured Sasuke in the Tsunade arc created quite the big contradiction within the story, if Itachi really was this awesome guy Kishi wanted us to believe he was

I mean there was no need to put his brother in such a strong genjutsu when Sasuke was pretty much already wanting to kill him, it was just pure sadism at that point

So yeah, kind of agree... if Kishi really was trying to make Itachi into a good guy he shouldn't have done that

Edited by Nar123, 11 February 2016 - 01:03 PM.

[griff142]

Statement: Itachi should have just leave Sasuke alone after the massacre.
Agree or disagree?

I agree since Itachi in part 1 and mostly in part 2 was focused t be Sasuke's main demon that was holding him back of having a happier life. Kishi really screwed up with Itachi making him a hero by killing his family. If anybody else did that they would still be monsters even if their intentions were good.

[tricksie]

Statement: Itachi should have just leave Sasuke alone after the massacre.

Agree or disagree?

Agree. Sasuke would have been nearly as kittened up if Itachi had left him alone, and Itachi would have had more credibility as 'hero in disguise' figure. But because he tortured — TORTURED, both physically and mentally — his little brother for years after forcing Sasuke to discover the brutal massacre of his entire clan, this is what makes Itachi own the role of psychotic killer, with the additional footnote that, oh yeah, btw, he did it for a good cause. 

 

A real hero in disguise would never have engaged with his brother. There were no good reasons for Itachi to injure or mindwarp Sasuke. No one was suspicious of him. He had nothing to prove, and there was nothing to be gained by a vicious genjutsu. He didn't inflict these damages to get out of a bad situation or throw off Kakashi or Kisame's suspicion about Itachi's motives. Itachi just did it because Sasuke was there. 

 

Later on we're told Itachi was a hero. Then we're shown some flashback of Itachi with a single tear on his face. But the rest of his character was a ruthless killer, including all the horrible things he must have done to other people in other countries to keep his position in the Akatsuki for years. 

 

In fact, I would go so far to say that if Itachi had in fact left Sasuke alone — if Itachi had just done that one thing, shown that one area of softness by not hurting Sasuke unless he was forced into a corner to do it — it would have changed my view of Itachi as a hardened killer to more of a hidden hero.

[Bryon_Konoha_Ninja]

Agree. Sasuke would have been nearly as kittened up if Itachi had left him alone, and Itachi would have had more credibility as 'hero in disguise' figure. But because he tortured — TORTURED, both physically and mentally — his little brother for years after forcing Sasuke to discover the brutal massacre of his entire clan, this is what makes Itachi own the role of psychotic killer, with the additional footnote that, oh yeah, btw, he did it for a good cause. 

 

A real hero in disguise would never have engaged with his brother. There were no good reasons for Itachi to injure or mindwarp Sasuke. No one was suspicious of him. He had nothing to prove, and there was nothing to be gained by a vicious genjutsu. He didn't inflict these damages to get out of a bad situation or throw off Kakashi or Kisame's suspicion about Itachi's motives. Itachi just did it because Sasuke was there. 

 

Later on we're told Itachi was a hero. Then we're shown some flashback of Itachi with a single tear on his face. But the rest of his character was a ruthless killer, including all the horrible things he must have done to other people in other countries to keep his position in the Akatsuki for years. 

 

In fact, I would go so far to say that if Itachi had in fact left Sasuke alone — if Itachi had just done that one thing, shown that one area of softness by not hurting Sasuke unless he was forced into a corner to do it — it would have changed my view of Itachi as a hardened killer to more of a hidden hero.

 

Everything you said is very accurate, Tricks. Seriously, in the long run, it did leave things confusing, even if Itachi showed that kind of "hero in disguise" crap in the underneath with his telling Asuma and Kurenai he didn't wish to kill them, even if some could also say he didn't wish to draw attention to himself and Kisame. In the long run, it just made things too damn complicated with what Kishi was trying to do. I could imagine it working better if Itachi wasn't resurrected by the Summoning Jutsu: Reanimation, but nooo, he had to be due to his popularity and power. X-P

[TouKen4Life3g]

I agree.

It's the part that really hurts the revelation of Itachi being the good guy part. Yes, I do mean the day after the massacre. The later part or even go as far as killing best friend just don't match up well. It doesn't help that later on he becomes very nice thanks to putting blames on Danzou and so on.

I got one in mind but I'll save it for the weekend. As for the next one, it's coming.

[TouKen4Life3g]

Statement: Kishimoto claimed that he forgot about Sakura. That was a sign of doom and her character's reputation has no point of return.

Agree or disagree?

[rocci]

Yes.

For me if not the jump festa interview that make kishi defend her, I will agree with darkres that he abandon sakura.

The problem with kakashi is he's weak and while for sakura, she never truly fulfil her potential.

[Namikaze Clan]

Agreed.

It was pretty obvious that he forgot about her at some point and shifted focus to other characters. Which explains her lack of major fights and still inferior to the strength of her three teammates. Hell, I'm not sure if she even surpassed Tsunade

[Nostradamus]

Statement: Kishimoto claimed that he forgot about Sakura. That was a sign of doom and her character's reputation has no point of return.

Agree or disagree?

Disagree.

It just falls in the category of "Dumb things Kishi said."

[Bail o' Lies]

I think more along the line of his editors and assistants kept telling him how much Sakura was hated and tried to marginalize her at every turn. With the mess that was the war arc, eventually Sakura fell to the wayside. Along with the rest of the plot. 

Edited by Bail o' Lies, 12 February 2016 - 12:22 AM.