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[Yyubie]

Sorry it was late when I wrote that. Let me rephrase this. Hinata wasn't as overly popular as SP and SJ thought she was. But that is what they perceived because of her vocal fanatical fan base. Was Hinata popular enough for her to completely dominate the flow of the ending and rewrite the entire manga? No of course not. But SP and SJ thought she was based on both vocal fans reactions and desires in both kishi's and SP's staff.

 

Was hinata popular yes. But why was she popular? Well people already answered that I assume. But why wasn't she hated as Sakura but then suddenly got a lot of flack after the last? Simple her popularity was that of a minor/darkhorse character. People like her concept and then filled out her personality of what they wanted her to be, and that lead to a lot of people becoming fanatically devoted to her. The people that didn't like just ignored her because she wasn't that important to the plot. And if they did hate something about her it was her fanbase. But once the ending and the last happened they tried to move her to heroine status and she flopped. Because now people had to look at her and all her flaws. Which why they started to hide her after the Last and don't overly use her as much as they use to.

Yup, putting her into heroine seat means putting her into a spotlight where everyone can see her and every details of her character development, flaws, and characteristic will be revealed. In the manga she was not appear much except at those 2 moment that give her extreme boost of popularity, the suicide confession at pein arc and the hand holding scene at the war arc. So its natural that people will like her over Sakura and think that she is the one that should be heroine. They put her in the heroine seat in The Last, but after many of NH fans sees what she truly is in that movie, she care about her love and obsession for Naruto over her own kidnap little sister, any "SANE" NH or Hinata fans starting to doubt their own believe, is this girl is really fit to be the heroine??? is this girl is any better than Sakura??

 

So yeah i agree like Bail said, now they starting to hide her, and focus more on the SNS or Sasuke and Naruto yaoi relationship. But who knows, maybe i was wrong and maybe in the Boruto manga she will appear a lot.

[TouKen4Life3g]

I still can't believe that development from Sakura on Naruto/Sasuke even happened...

[NeonRanger]

I really don't think there is any "sane" NH fans that saw the flaws of the manga, otherwise we would have more supporters and less NH shippers.

 

Like seriously, the only place I can find NS is here and NSfactory and NaruSaku Club in Deiventart. I can no longer track the tag Naruto or Naruto Uzumaki because it is filled NH on Tumblr. Same with Sakura Haruno and Sasuke Uchiha. The tags were clean up until the ending (mostly clean, there weren't as many shipping tags). Now I've been crowded into the SakuNaru tags. 

 

Not a big deal since I got my ship   but it's annoying how I need to look fro a Sakura centric blog to find only Sakura stuff. Even harder to find one who doesn't ship SS (lilsakura is my favorite Sakura fanartist on Tumblr). Facebook is horrible because Naruto focus blogs have been all about NH/SS/SNS+Bolt now. I wish I was a good drawer...

 

For Hinata, after Sakura wasn't popular enough anymore they replaced her with Hinata. Then after The Last they found out that Hinata isn't giving them profit/ bad attention. So they decided to go back to a safe spot which was SNS, and behold it was a success so they are sticking with it.

[Bail o' Lies]

The twitter assistant said in 2010.
Doesn't war arc start in that year.

His interview happen after kage summit arc that's when he tried to defend her status as heroine. It happen in jump festa if I'm not mistaken.

I think i checked this a few weeks back...2010 was Kage summit Danzo fight mostly-Sakura's confession to a bit passed that from what i recall.

Edited by Bail o' Lies, 19 January 2016 - 05:41 PM.

[Bail o' Lies]

Yup, putting her into heroine seat means putting her into a spotlight where everyone can see her and every details of her character development, flaws, and characteristic will be revealed. In the manga she was not appear much except at those 2 moment that give her extreme boost of popularity, the suicide confession at pein arc and the hand holding scene at the war arc. So its natural that people will like her over Sakura and think that she is the one that should be heroine. They put her in the heroine seat in The Last, but after many of NH fans sees what she truly is in that movie, she care about her love and obsession for Naruto over her own kidnap little sister, any "SANE" NH or Hinata fans starting to doubt their own believe, is this girl is really fit to be the heroine??? is this girl is any better than Sakura??

 

So yeah i agree like Bail said, now they starting to hide her, and focus more on the SNS or Sasuke and Naruto yaoi relationship. But who knows, maybe i was wrong and maybe in the Boruto manga she will appear a lot.

What was happened now was Kishi was already uninterested in Hinata anyways and SP being forced to backtrack cause they realize they are losing money with her. The pedophile is in love with her and was the one the ending was truly made for. So of course she will be more prominent in the bolt manga.

Edited by Bail o' Lies, 19 January 2016 - 05:42 PM.

[TouKen4Life3g]

I think i checked this a few weeks back...2010 was Kage summit-Sakura's confession to a bit passed that from what i recall.

That's good enough to say "Pain Arc = last decent run."

[Namikaze Clan]

I do know that it appears to be largely thanks to popularity that Vegeta is still active in DBZ. Unfortunately, that same benefit doesn't appear to extend to Gohan, Trunks or Piccolo. What an odd coincidence that is. Naruto in certain regards is similar.

At least Gohan is making a comeback. At the RoF arc he resolves to train and get back in shape

[rocci]

I think i checked this a few weeks back...2010 was Kage summit Danzo fight mostly-Sakura's confession to a bit passed that from what i recall.

Thanks, so the interview happen in 2010 because that's where kishi defend her status as heroine. That because people questioning her false confession.

[HalfDemonInuyasha]

The problem with female characters in the series is that they are overrided with bad perks and/or love related. I don't mind love being part of them, but majority of them have it like the foreground or in a equal level of whatever traits they have, if there's any. Otherwise, they will be a hollow inside. For every spotlight moments, there's a downside and that ended up overriding the goods strongly. When the good comes in, albeit asspull or not, the bad is the last thing you'll remember.

Tsunade does her women rights speech, get her ass handed to Madara twice.

Sakura got the seal, proclaiming she is equal to Team 7, only to proceed to go back to that weak will and only recovered when the series end.

I seriously can go on but I won't. This annoys me and I'm not even a feminist.

Kurenai and getting owned by Itachi, then gets pregnant and is pretty much never seen again (and the times she is, she barely has any lines), and it doesn't help that there's that flashback memory of her father with that old-fashioned thinking that she should simply get married and have children and such.

Or Anko and going from the badass kunoichi that she was to being a chubby, happy-go-lucky teacher or something...
 

 

At least Gohan is making a comeback. At the RoF arc he resolves to train and get back in shape

Unfortunately, the upcoming arc doesn't even have Gohan in it from what I'm reading. And it seems his decision to start training again might have been anime original because the manga version did have Gohan considered to be part of a team in the tournament that Bils/Beerus and Champa (his brother and God of Destruction from the Sixth Universe, twelve in all) are having (if Bils wins, he gets the six Super Dragon Balls, planet-sized, that Champa claims to have and if Champa wins, he'll be allowed to use the Super Dragon Balls to swap the Sixth and Seventh universe, the seventh being the present DB universe, so Champa can have access to Earth's food, lol), but Goku decides not to have Gohan join because of his decision to focus on studying.

[TouKen4Life3g]

I don't mind the "girl power" of a story, albeit being predictable, but you have to back it up. Kishi never does it right and when he tried, he kept having a follow up that overrides it. Tsunade doing that role would have been ok, but not only she was getting demolished the first time, which is fair because some series can make defeat look good, but she got full power by arguably asspull and then get raging demon by Madara again.

[Bail o' Lies]

Thanks, so the interview happen in 2010 because that's where kishi defend her status as heroine. That because people questioning her false confession.

*sigh* I'm checking Again... going on mangapanda to see when they put up the manga chapters for 2010...started the year on chapter 478 was "Susano Complete" which is the fight with Danzo, and ended on chapter 522 "I'm Already Dead" the war arc with the battle with zabuza and haku.

[TouKen4Life3g]

*sigh* I'm checking Again... going on mangapanda to see when they put up the manga chapters for 2010...started the year on chapter 478 was "Susano Complete" which is the fight with Danzo, and ended on chapter 522 "I'm Already Dead" the war arc with the battle with zabuza and haku.

Kishi: Oh kitten, I done kittened up now. War Arc...Yeah, drop Sakura.

[Konoha'sCrimsonFox]

Do you guys believe if Yahagi never went with direction with Sasuke's character just to bring in the fans, would you think she would have be more important figure to the Akatsuki arc, fighting more Akatsuki members?

[Bail o' Lies]

Do you guys believe if Yahagi never went with direction with Sasuke's character just to bring in the fans, would you think she would have be more important figure to the Akatsuki arc, fighting more Akatsuki members?

Probably. If Sasuke didn't suddenly have the hunt for itachi arc and it was just the akatsuki deciding to go after Naruto. Since they collect most of the other containers. If Sasuke doesn't fight them then that left more for team 7 and the rest of the konoha 11 to fight and show off their skill. Like Sakura did with Sasori and Shikamaru did with Hidan.

[db84x]

Too bad Sakura isn't popular in WSJ focus group due injected personality from anime series. In manga, Sakura quite decent character but tsundere trait which gave by SP destroyed her in eyes general fans.

@ Konoha'sCrimsonFox
Angry sasuke fans will bury Naruto in ToC

Edited by db84x, 20 January 2016 - 10:00 AM.

[rocci]

Do you guys believe if Yahagi never went with direction with Sasuke's character just to bring in the fans, would you think she would have be more important figure to the Akatsuki arc, fighting more Akatsuki members?

Who's she? Sakura?
I doubt it. Sasuke is the second important character who become so important to the point he overshadowed the protagonist (naruto).

What naruto need is more enemy and that will lead to more action.

[TouKen4Life3g]

It's debatable if this is his plan with Sasuke after Itachi was killed. He did leave after that event or at least when he got MS.

 

Sakura was a character that held the title decent by the fans that hoped for the best as it progresses, but when it all ends, we can only think, "Where did it go wrong..."

Edited by TouKen4Life3g, 20 January 2016 - 10:49 AM.

[Konoha'sCrimsonFox]

Probably. If Sasuke didn't suddenly have the hunt for itachi arc and it was just the akatsuki deciding to go after Naruto. Since they collect most of the other containers. If Sasuke doesn't fight them then that left more for team 7 and the rest of the konoha 11 to fight and show off their skill. Like Sakura did with Sasori and Shikamaru did with Hidan.

 

And the plot would have thicken for Sakura to play a major role for Akatsuki to use against Naruto. After all, Sakura was his first love interest (of course not according to those douche bags at SP). She goes down swinging (take out a few Akatsuki members) and gets capture, and enticed Naruto to go AWOL from Konoha. That would probably kill or put a major dent in the reason for his obsession to go after Sasuke while other priorities lies with Sakura's peril. A wasted potential all because the sauce.

 

Who's she? Sakura?
I doubt it. Sasuke is the second important character who become so important to the point he overshadowed the protagonist (naruto).

What naruto need is more enemy and that will lead to more action.

 

Sakura.

 

This is way back before Sasuke's popularity spiked. That's why Yahagi told Kishi to focus more on Sasuke to bring in more fans. He was right.

 

 

It's debatable if this is his plan with Sasuke after Itachi was killed. He did leave after that event or at least when he got MS.

 

Sakura was a character that held the title decent by the fans that hoped for the best as it progresses, but when it all ends, we can only think, "Where did it go wrong..."

 

I think Yahagi regretted. I can personally tell by that interview that he was indirectly make fun of Kishi and put him on the spot (that's just my opinion). Yahagi was right. Naruto popularity did spiked that even in its prime it did bump OP to rank no 2. However, with the success they had with Sasuke. For an example. Sasuke is just like steroids for users. It achieve miraculous results but on short term. This is what happen with this manga. Sasuke made it popular and destroyed the franchise along with its protagonist and original heroine. There is no doubt that Yahagi knew that he should have continue with Sakura instead of investing on Sasuke's character. And that comes with that he should have never stalled on Sakura from moving on and requited  Naruto's feelings from the beginning of PT2.

 

I'm 100% positive that and wager all my money that if Yahagi has the chance to redo Pt2. This approach will mostly likely be his.

[TouKen4Life3g]

I feel like Yahagi probably had some ideas for other characters down the line, but once he left, everything after it seems like disjointed, like it never add up. Say if Yamato really meant what he was going to say and let's be honest, it was going to be "that," then you see Sakura's confession. Doesn't it feel like it doesn't connect. It's like if a character saw potential within another person, then much later on, he saw the character again, being shocked not because that progress he/she made, but how he doesn't understand that potential existed within.

That did feel like that was an early sign for NS that the story has shifted.

Edited by TouKen4Life3g, 20 January 2016 - 02:23 PM.

[NeonRanger]

Yeah, but Kishi mentioned already in past interview that he/ Yahagi excluded Sakura's backstory and parents because she was too unpopular. I doubt Yahagi cares enough about Sakura, he was the one who created the love triangle in the first place. Also Yahagi has mentioned that Sasuke was his favorite character as well, which where I believe the Sasuke wanking began. Sasuke's popularity reached to the point where it was impossible to punish/ kill him off, because he was too liked.

 

Yahagi can't do anything with Naruto since it became a franchise; SP/Shueisha/Jump has rights to Naruto. 

 

Also in one Tankobon release of Naruto Kishi mentioned of his new editor didn't like Naruto/ preferred Toriko, so maybe that also had to do with how much Naruto went downhill? (I don't know which Tankobon it was in, if someone knows please mention).

 

I think the question relies on why most people continued to hate Sakura even during part 2, while secondaries (Hinata) gain popularity out of nowhere. If Sakura had more support, the backstory/ her parents who have been included, and maybe Sakura would have more of a role. All of Kishi females are badly written, but at the most Sakura would not have been a secondary

character. 

 

 

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I saw this during the advertisements for the Bolt Movie: There was not one piece of Sakura merchandise in the movie/restaurant. Sakura is no longer a main, but at the same time Hinata wasn't in the movie either yet she was advertised and promoted...

 

This is why I hate Hinata more than any other character...

Edited by NeonRanger, 20 January 2016 - 02:39 PM.