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[sushi.]

Similarity that is on almost every canon couple. It's like saying what Shikatema is the same as Sasusaku because both of them has one kid.

Or because both of them are male-female relationships. XD Just because lgbt is a minority in fiction doesn't mean we should divide them like this, it's ridiculous.

[sushi.]

Well when you put it that way then I guess no pairing is unique because there always a paring out there that share similarities. I saw a similarity and I stated it, plain and simple. Heck we do this with NS and other pairings outside the manga. We find one similarity and we compare it to NS.

 

No but we should at least compare aspects that matter. Like their development, dynamic, personalities..not something generic as their gender.

[Khaleesi]

Well when you put it that way then I guess no pairing is unique because there always a paring out there that share similarities. I saw a similarity and I stated it, plain and simple. Heck we do this with NS and other pairings outside the manga. We find one similarity and we compare it to NS.

Dude, I'm telling you that that "similarity" doesn't count as one because it's almost on every couple. "Development, dynamic, personalities" is what it matters when comparing them.

And no, I don't do that, do you?

 

 

No but we should at least compare aspects that matter. Like their development, dynamic, personalities..not something generic as their gender.

HE didn't mention gender, but you are right, h o m o couples are always paired up in one bag.

Edited by theunburnt, 20 December 2014 - 12:29 AM.

[sushi.]

HE didn't mention gender, but you are right, h o m o couples are always paired up in one bag.

yeh I thought that was what you were talking about because you mentioned it, and that it was the only similarity. I didn't mean to make you upset yellowflash

[SuperChief]

 

If you're comparing NaruHina, which had 700 chapters to potentially develop, with a NON CONFIRMED pairing that had four seasons spanning under 20 episodes, then your perspective is skewed. First of all, Asami and Korra did not jump 20 years into the future, with kids, after a 15 year run where everything was pointing to Makorra. They didn't even get an 'I love you' so if that's pandering to the fanbase, that's pretty weak. There is implication, yes, but people also fail to put into perspective what the characters had gone through and how this is not as left-field and illogical as it might seem.

 

Asami's father just died. Unlike the other characters of Korra's "Krew", she doesn't have anyone left to lean on. Bolin has his brother, his large new-found family, Opal, by extention the Beifongs, and has a great relationship with Verrick (as seen by being 'minister' at his wedding). Mako has his brother and family, and he had a moment with Korra where he firmly said he'd stand by her. They don't need a journey with Korra to get away from it all or whatever. Asami was at a wedding and her father's death is obviously hard on her. She teared up when she mentioned him, and when she admitted to Korra, "I don't know what I'd do if I'd lost you and my father," it confirms what has never really been disputed--Asami is lonely. Her father was everything to her, he betrayed her, and just when she forgives him he was suddenly taken away from her and because of everything going on she couldn't just stop to process.

 

Now think--where are they going? Are they going to some sexy resort, all eyebrow waggling and sly grins? They're going to the spirit world. I think it's quite symbolic of a spiritual journey after loss and suffering. Remember that in season 3 Asami had offered to go with Korra when she was recovering. Seeing someone vulnerable and being there for them isn't a bad way to develop a deep connection. Whatever their past together, the awkwardness of Mako being between them, it's rather insignificant compared to having a friend nearly die. That, and their inclination for friendship wasn't suddenly brought on in the last season. Asami had told Mako season 1, "I like Korra," meaning that even with that boyfriend baggage she liked Korra as a person. It's not a stretch to say Korra is likeable. 

 

Then in season 3 they continued to bond, obviously having moved on from Mako and finding his awkwardness silly as an in-joke between them. That's great development, and removes the idea that this would be a roadblock toward any greater relationship between them. Then of course, Korra's suffering and Asami's compassion probably helped forge that bond where Korra feels that she has an easier time communicating with Asami. I like this a development between them a lot more than what we got in Season 2 with love triangle nonsense, because if we're supposed to believe that the two are honestly friends we needed something deep like this and it delivered. It was relationship drama that I believe really stunted the show, but the handling of this relationship was a highlight for me. 

 

Now back to the theme of season 4, Korra had to take a journey to recovery which, by her words in the last episode helped her become a more compassionate person even toward someone like Kuvira. Now, the tables have turned and Asami, a friend who had supported her through tough times, is having one of her own and she suggests to go on vacation. When Asami says she wanted to see the spirit world, Korra says this is perfect. Why? Because a portal is conveniently there? Sure, but also maybe because spirituality and recovery are linked in this universe. If you look at it outside of the perspective of shipping, this ending can be interpreted as hurt/comfort and compassion. It fits with the theme of season 4 and Korra's growth. 

 

Now, supporting and forging a relationship by compassion is not bad ship material. Asami was part of Korra's group. It's not like Hinata where she was always on the outside looking in--Asami actively gave her support. Also, it's not the resolution of their potential pairing but the beginning. Unlike Makorra where the finale ended with a kiss and girlfriend/boyfriend status, Korrasami is left to develop with the seeds having been sown not in some outside source, but since season 3. It's not a picture perfect pairing but to say that it's the equivalent of NaruHina is ridiculous. The ending of Legend of Korra is eons better than what we got. Bryke ended it right by making it feel like the start of something more, rather than the definitive ending. 

 

Korra said she still feels like there is so much more room to grow, to change, to learn. She has hope again. Likewise, the group will grow with her. What the ending told us is that it is implied that Korra and Asami's development toward each other is heading toward a potential romance and why not? What is so horribly bad about Korra and Asami's relationship that it shouldn't be a possibility? Korra may never end up with Asami. It's not like we got a TWENTY YEAR FLASH FORWARD that has set anything in stone. What people are threatened by is the mere implication of it! It's ridiculous. I would think after the horror that is Naruto's ending we'd have set our bars low that this wouldn't be something we're up in arms. We've seen terrible handling of pairings. Don't lessen the terribleness that was NaruHina by comparing it to something so tam

 

NH and KS are similar in that they lacked development but were popular and therefore happened. Kishimoto's screw up is on a whole other level but the scale of that is beside the point.

 

Is the rest even directed at my post? It seems to me like you're recounting events as a form of mental gymnastics to make sense of it and justify your believe that this endgame pairing somehow had any build up. It didn't. Korrasami was a fandom thing, and Bryke, being well aware of what is going on in the fandom, tapped into that. 

 

You can get as philosophical as you'd like about endings and new beginnings, that's fine, really, but this endgame pairing is and always will be dubious at best due to a sudden transition and interest from friends to lovers - which is left implied, but it's pretty obvious that's what happens in the end. I could possibly buy that Korra and Asami always happened to be bisexual, but even then, this attraction that was supposedly between them? Nah. There was never even a remote hint of sexual attraction or tension there. Not even a sliver. Not unless Mako was involved, but that's a different matter altogether.

 

Korrasami was nothing more than wish fulfilment in the end, and an attempt at progressive shock value.

Edited by SuperChief, 20 December 2014 - 02:28 AM.

[sushi.]

Korrasami was only popular as a crackship. No one expected it to be canon until Bryke started puking out hugs, blushes, main support, and lots of alone time between them.

[alexander]

 

NH and KS are similar in that they lacked development but were popular and therefore happened. Kishimoto's screw up is on a whole other level but the scale of that is beside the point.

 

Is the rest even directed at my post? It seems to me like you're recounting events as a forms mental gymnastics to make sense of it and justify your believe that this endgame pairing somehow had any build up. It didn't. Korrasami was a fandom thing, and Bryke, being well aware of what is going on in the fandom, tapped into that. 

 

You can get as philosophical as you'd like about endings and new beginnings, that's fine, really, but this endgame pairing is and always will be dubious at best due to a sudden interest from friends to lovers - which is left implied, but it's pretty obvious that's what happens in the end. I could possibly buy that Korra and Asami always happened to be bisexual, but even then, this attraction that was supposedly between them? Nah. There was never even a remote hint of sexual attraction or tension there. Not even a sliver. Not unless Mako was involved, but that's a different matter altogether.

 

Korrasami was nothing more than wish fulfilment in the end, and an attempt at progressive shock value.

 

Well, the same happened to Mako in season 1. He had no romantic interest in Korra whatsoever, however, after he started dating Asami, he started to develop an completely out of nowere interest in Korra that made no sense.

[trang95]

I'm laughing too hard at this pic :lmao:The way they are freaking out, omg XD

http://berurai.co.vu/post/105587705205

Edited by trang95, 20 December 2014 - 03:07 AM.

[SuperChief]

 

Well, the same happened to Mako in season 1. He had no romantic interest in Korra whatsoever, however, after he started dating Asami, he started to develop an completely out of nowere interest in Korra that made no sense.

 

Season 1 has the benefit of having been developing as a miniseries, i.e. it's subject to less scrutiny and lower standards. The finale of the Book 4 is a different matter altogether. This took place several years and three seasons later, during which the most concrete interaction Korrasami ever got was a blush that lasted for a split second.

[Khaleesi]

pfft, LoK had no money, they even had to do a filler episode because of it. because of their content they had no support, so how even they would work out a bisexual couple??? Korrasami had the development it could with its own limitations as an homosexual couple, period.

[Nar123]

 
NH and KS are similar in that they lacked development but were popular and therefore happened. Kishimoto's screw up is on a whole other level but the scale of that is beside the point.
 
Is the rest even directed at my post? It seems to me like you're recounting events as a form of mental gymnastics to make sense of it and justify your believe that this endgame pairing somehow had any build up. It didn't. Korrasami was a fandom thing, and Bryke, being well aware of what is going on in the fandom, tapped into that. 
 
You can get as philosophical as you'd like about endings and new beginnings, that's fine, really, but this endgame pairing is and always will be dubious at best due to a sudden transition and interest from friends to lovers - which is left implied, but it's pretty obvious that's what happens in the end. I could possibly buy that Korra and Asami always happened to be bisexual, but even then, this attraction that was supposedly between them? Nah. There was never even a remote hint of sexual attraction or tension there. Not even a sliver. Not unless Mako was involved, but that's a different matter altogether.
 
Korrasami was nothing more than wish fulfilment in the end, and an attempt at progressive shock value.

Man. Comparing NH to KS is not cool, they are nothing alike, for reasons a lot of people here pointed out. Asami was part of Korra group and their friendship developed constantly over the 3 and 4 season

As someone else said, the ending implies that their relationship could turn into something more than platonic in the future, it wasn't from nowhere like nh

[Konohakitten]

Saw the ending, was thrilled, I was on the edge of my seat the entire time, and then the ending was the cherry on top ;3

[Nami]

I'm totally fine with the ending, really (though I'm surprised myself; I guess my ships becoming cannon has lost its meaning to me after Naruto came out).

But this rudeness on the MaKorra tags is awful! In addition to this, the ending now sparks even more fights about the topic of lesbians and homosexuality b/w the MaKorra and KorrAsami fans. I never had the impression that MaKorra fans posted stuff that was homophobic, but out of all a sudden some KorrAsami shippers charge in and accuse us of being homophobic. That's the biggest insult, really.

 

Yeah, that's also one of the things that made me mad the most, the rudeness of the Korrasami shippers. I remember trying to have a civilized discussion but it went about this way: "Okay, so I think that that scene where Asami helps Korra might just show how close they've become as friends, not an expression of her undying lo..." "Aaa omg, you're so homophobic, get outta my face!" Like seriously? Even though I consider myself bi doesn't mean I'm obligated to like that pairing. 

 

I am not a fan of pandering.

 

Korrasami = NaruHina

 

It happened because it was popular, not because it was supported by the story. kitten that pairing. And kitten Makorra too. Why did Korra have to end up with anyone to begin with? She hadn't had the time or energy to even considering thinking about it for the past two books. Now that she got her life in order, in times of rebuilding, instead of remaining and overseeing the reconstruction, she goes off on a vacation with her friend?

 

Korrasami is as tacked on as their friendship. Seriously, what did the Krew even offer Asami? Why did she stick around for so long? Let's not forget Korra stole her boyfriend, Mako, who cheated on her, more than once if you consider the whole amnesia debacle in book 2 as cheating, when they wanted to get back together but Korra forgot she and Mako had broken up.

 

The finale in general was pretty flat. Eventful, action packed even, and yet so utterly drab and boring. Kuvira cemented herself as the worst villain, bar none, and her pitiful excuse of a backstory is laughably bad. There was truly no end goal in sight of her wanton destruction. It was so over the top cartoony that nothing managed to give me any sense of suspense whatsoever. I just knew they'd all make it - well, all of them except for Asami's father, who carried a death flag the size of Texas the moment he showed up, especially when Varrick and Zhu Li bugged out of the Hummingbirds.

 

Honestly, mechs and romance have ruined Legend of Korra. It was never particularly good, but these two things in particular made it far, far worse.

 

Completely agree with everything. And I'm not positive just how Korrasami was popular, but there was a huge rise of fans since Book 3 and it was big enough for the creators and voice actors to take notice. 

 

I actually thought Mako and Korra was the obvious pairing like Aang and Katara. Even when I was a kid I could still tell Aang and Katara was going to be endgame. I think the ending of LoK shows how accpting the world has become.

 

Yeah me too. I mean, Makorra was the pairing that was most foreshadowed during the show and interviews. "Those kids were meant for each other.", the gifs of them holding hands that Bryan posted, reassuring the fans they were it... And don't even get me started on D. Faustino's outright and constant fangirling about Makorra. I just can't believen those were just trolls.

 

Here's a question:

Are you against homosexual relationship? Yes, I don't think I will get a real answer but why not ask.

 

No, absolutely not. Being bi myself and having tons of gay friends, I am definitely the biggest supporter of homosexual relationships. I love to see them, but only under the condition that they're done right. But just like I won't hate anything because it's gay, I won't like anything just because it's gay! I don't even view Makorra and Korrasami as any different in terms of okay, this one is a heterosexual relationship and this one is a homosexual one. No, it's all the same to me. The only reason I like one more than the other because the  first was, in my opinion, foreshadowed and developed way more. It all comes down to that, just like the comparison between NS and NH or SS. I would be equally as pissed if, say Masami or Tahnorra ended up together.

[Nar123]

Makorra concluded at season 2
I honestly would like a non romance ending more with everyone as friends, but the KS ending wasn't so bad in the end

[Broken Figurine]

 

NH and KS are similar in that they lacked development but were popular and therefore happened. Kishimoto's screw up is on a whole other level but the scale of that is beside the point.

 

Is the rest even directed at my post? It seems to me like you're recounting events as a form of mental gymnastics to make sense of it and justify your believe that this endgame pairing somehow had any build up. It didn't. Korrasami was a fandom thing, and Bryke, being well aware of what is going on in the fandom, tapped into that. 

 

You can get as philosophical as you'd like about endings and new beginnings, that's fine, really, but this endgame pairing is and always will be dubious at best due to a sudden transition and interest from friends to lovers - which is left implied, but it's pretty obvious that's what happens in the end. I could possibly buy that Korra and Asami always happened to be bisexual, but even then, this attraction that was supposedly between them? Nah. There was never even a remote hint of sexual attraction or tension there. Not even a sliver. Not unless Mako was involved, but that's a different matter altogether.

 

Korrasami was nothing more than wish fulfilment in the end, and an attempt at progressive shock value.

 

You're making the assertion that the ending is only pandering and I was laying out how it developed. It did have build up. They didn't just throw it in at the end, but I think your only stance is because fans liked it, it was pandering. AND IT'S NOT EVEN A CONCRETE PAIRING. "This endgame pairing" as if Korra and Asami were at an alter instead of heading into the spirit world. Creators are allowed to pander to fans, heck most shipping that goes on in any series is pandering/teasing of some sort, but your claim that they had no build up and were and always will be 'dubious at best' seems to be your philosophical hatred of anything that may have been even slightly catering to fans.

 

They worked it into their story. People were seeing hints all throughout season 4, and in season 3 Asami's relationship with Korra had already shifted. If the people behind Naruto had decided to pander to the NaruHina fanbase and establish them as the endgame pairing, which they did, I'd have wished they had handled it in the same way that LoK creators did--by resolving one pairing debacle and focusing on the other until the end. 

 

Oh, and progressive shock value? Again, you're not even looking at the content and you're screaming wish-fulfillment lesbians. Did they say I love you? No. Did they kiss? No. Did they say their vows under a pretty arc? No, what they have is an ambiguous implication of romance. It's a pretty tame scene as far as pairing material goes. You're angered by an implication that they'll have a relationship in the future, potentially. Yet to breathe that this pairing is the same level of ass-pull pandering as NaruHina is, as you put it, some serious mental gymnastics. 

 

If you have problems with creators doing anything that a fandom might like than by all means, hate away. However, looking at the series you can't claim that they weren't setting it up. Also, it's hard to say how popular Korrasami is compared to other ships. I've heard better arguments against this pairing. I don't hate NaruHina because it's popular. I'm not hipster like that. I hate that it had no set up, no logic to it--that it was downright misleading. Korrasami was not misleading. It was a sweet gesture at the end and it made sense in context for reasons I explained. 

 

 

Makorra concluded at season 2
I honestly would like a non romance ending more with everyone as friends, but the KS ending wasn't so bad in the end

 

I think it's totally fair if someone would have preferred no romance. I understand for a lot of people, either who want more emphasis on the group and friendship especially for an ending scene, and for people who feel that Korrasami may have been ruined due to past relationship drama. 

Edited by Broken Figurine, 20 December 2014 - 10:55 AM.

[DeathGodMack]

Apparently this was cut from the final episode. 

Edited by DeathGodMack, 20 December 2014 - 04:55 PM.

[luffyq1]

Apparently this was cut from the final episode. 

that's hot. it kinda looks fan made though.

Edited by luffyq1, 20 December 2014 - 05:26 PM.