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@Ns4life
Sasuke can gain his own rinnegan, either from oro or madara or both.
How? I think curse seal lv.2 come in my mind.

[Dkey]

That's the problem, there is no more. Plus, didn't Hashirama already defeated Madara WITH Kyuubi already, not to mention he had Kyuubi with Susanoo? If Hashirama said he's stronger than him, then you know you're in deep trouble. What's worse is that Obito is technically not complete, so it's possible he can be by going after Naruto and Killer Bee. That said Madara is already worried that if he doesn't play his card now, Obito can overpower him. That's bad news. Pretty much we are dealing with a new God. It's like fighting a DBZ character at this point. That all said still not buying on Sasuke. He might as well hang the sword and give up if Naruto goes his way to be overpower. Heck, this could go DBZ route for all I care with Sasuke saying, "Naruto, you are the best."

 

I know. I for one would like to see Hashirama and Madara fight each other, because it will be pure comedy. At first I considered that it could last for an entire volume but it could be just one or two chapters. But if they do fight and unleash everything there won't really be anything left.

 

Same can be argued with Obito and whoever group or individual will face him. As the hachibi said at first he was launching does AOEs at random and just wasting chakra, now it's more focused. So one aoe attack like the one last volume could be even more devastating. So eventually Obito will have to focus on a small number of individuals. Who does individuals I can say for sure is Naruto. But there's Sasuke the edo hokages, Killer Bee, the 5 kages and Sakura that could join the fight. Again a pretty big cast. I hope for a team 7, maybe even having Minato as temporary sensei but that's about it.

 

 

 

To be fair, Madara never said he has a trump card for everything, just this one. I'll say that this one is THE trump card and if it fails, uh oh?

 

I kinda understood he has a trump card. But for what for. It seems he isn't that interested in becoming the jinchuuriki so what does he want to do?

[TouKen4Life3g]

@Ns4life
Sasuke can gain his own rinnegan, either from oro or madara or both.
How? I think curse seal lv.2 come in my mind.

He don't have curse seal anymore. Rinnengan is the only option for Sasuke, but still, if and only if, Naruto becomes the same level as Obito, Sasuke needs to step up his game. Obito is Rinnengan/Jinchuuriki and that's broken you can get for a villain.

[TouKen4Life3g]

 

I know. I for one would like to see Hashirama and Madara fight each other, because it will be pure comedy. At first I considered that it could last for an entire volume but it could be just one or two chapters. But if they do fight and unleash everything there won't really be anything left.

 

Same can be argued with Obito and whoever group or individual will face him. As the hachibi said at first he was launching does AOEs at random and just wasting chakra, now it's more focused. So one aoe attack like the one last volume could be even more devastating. So eventually Obito will have to focus on a small number of individuals. Who does individuals I can say for sure is Naruto. But there's Sasuke the edo hokages, Killer Bee, the 5 kages and Sakura that could join the fight. Again a pretty big cast. I hope for a team 7, maybe even having Minato as temporary sensei but that's about it.

 

 

 

 

I kinda understood he has a trump card. But for what for. It seems he isn't that interested in becoming the jinchuuriki so what does he want to do?

I know but again, if and only if Naruto becomes the same level as Obito, then who can fight Naruto equally? No one. Naruto might as well just fingerpoke of doom on Madara and he will probably explode and Hashirama and others will seal him and bye bye. I don't know, I'm really having a hard time with this. The problem is that this reminds me of Gundam 00 finale (not movie, that unnecessary crap). You have a villain who finally got the perfect body and no one can touch him; however, the protagonist turned out to be the true perfect form and not only that, but he did it genuinely, bringing the moral that cheaters can cheat all they want to obtain the perfection, but the rightful one will be the one who work the hardest. So then we have an epic finale and it was awesome, almost movie quality. That said Obito is proven to be god, so if Naruto does become equal to him, then where that leaves other.

 

I don't know what is Madara's trump card, but if it happens now, it will fail.

Edited by NaruSaku4Life3g, 09 July 2013 - 09:11 PM.

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@ns4life
No what I mean is in order to awaken rinnegan, one must have both eye and the body of the sage. And base on madara say even if you get that you need a near dead experience to unlock rinnegan and sasuke already do that with the process to activate CS lv 2.
And then there are orochimaru and madara, so sasuke will gain ultimate eye and naruto will gain ultimate body.

[James S Cassidy]

Why did I hear this while reading this chapter?



This chapter was amazing. Now you have something beyond anything they have ever seen. Sage opf Six Paths power is basically being a god among men. Not quite a god in terms of omnipotence or all-ending power, but pretty close to it in Naruto manga terms. I am pretty much interested in where this is going.

Why are we bringing the pairing wars into this one? *shakes head*  Anyway, Obito is....yeah, and I thought Madara was overpowered. I don;t thin this would diminish the Naruto vs Sasuke fight because it is no longer about who is stronger in strength, but rather who is stronger in will.

Very interested in what is in store.

I am actually really happy about something. I am happy that no pairing moments are coming up because it seems like we have been doing nothing but pairing wars for a long time. So it is good to take a breather from it for the most part. I am glad to not have to argue whether something is a pairing moment or not and what is canon or not and not afraid of what the next chapter will bring.

I am going to enjoy the break while it lasts.

[TouKen4Life3g]

@ns4life
No what I mean is in order to awaken rinnegan, one must have both eye and the body of the sage. And base on madara say even if you get that you need a near dead experience to unlock rinnegan and sasuke already do that with the process to activate CS lv 2.
And then there are orochimaru and madara, so sasuke will gain ultimate eye and naruto will gain ultimate body.

Well we'll see, because right now Obito got the best of both world and he hasn't use anything from the eyes, so that's pretty godlike.

Why did I hear this while reading this chapter?



This chapter was amazing. Now you have something beyond anything they have ever seen. Sage opf Six Paths power is basically being a god among men. Not quite a god in terms of omnipotence or all-ending power, but pretty close to it in Naruto manga terms. I am pretty much interested in where this is going.

Why are we bringing the pairing wars into this one? *shakes head*  Anyway, Obito is....yeah, and I thought Madara was overpowered. I don;t thin this would diminish the Naruto vs Sasuke fight because it is no longer about who is stronger in strength, but rather who is stronger in will.

Very interested in what is in store.

I am actually really happy about something. I am happy that no pairing moments are coming up because it seems like we have been doing nothing but pairing wars for a long time. So it is good to take a breather from it for the most part. I am glad to not have to argue whether something is a pairing moment or not and what is canon or not and not afraid of what the next chapter will bring.

I am going to enjoy the break while it lasts.

Well, now I know what song to use for the next chapter review. Thank you.

Edited by NaruSaku4Life3g, 09 July 2013 - 09:44 PM.

[sushi.]

I know but again, if and only if Naruto becomes the same level as Obito, then who can fight Naruto equally? No one. Naruto might as well just fingerpoke of doom on Madara and he will probably explode and Hashirama and others will seal him and bye bye. I don't know, I'm really having a hard time with this. The problem is that this reminds me of Gundam 00 finale (not movie, that unnecessary crap). You have a villain who finally got the perfect body and no one can touch him; however, the protagonist turned out to be the true perfect form and not only that, but he did it genuinely, bringing the moral that cheaters can cheat all they want to obtain the perfection, but the rightful one will be the one who work the hardest. So then we have an epic finale and it was awesome, almost movie quality. That said Obito is proven to be god, so if Naruto does become equal to him, then where that leaves other.

 

I don't know what is Madara's trump card, but if it happens now, it will fail.

Don't forget Aizen folks! XD

 

Anyways It's time for Minato to give Naruto the other half. At least not waste it. Minato looks cool in KM, but what does he do with it?

 

I think that if Naruto gets such a huge power-up, it will leave Sasuke pissed.  My guess is when Naruto is exhausted or whatever, a confrontation will happen with Sasuke. There might be a clash, but not a big battle because I think Sasuke will retreat.

 

I have more predictions, but they all contradict eachother. I can't wait to see, because there are so many possibilities.

[TouKen4Life3g]

Don't forget Aizen folks! XD
 
Anyways It's time for Minato to give Naruto the other half. At least not waste it. Minato looks cool in KM, but what does he do with it?
 
I think that if Naruto gets such a huge power-up, it will leave Sasuke pissed.  My guess is when Naruto is exhausted or whatever, a confrontation will happen with Sasuke. There might be a clash, but not a big battle because I think Sasuke will retreat.
 
I have more predictions, but they all contradict eachother. I can't wait to see, because there are so many possibilities.

Lol yeah. I will wait on Sasuke and see how can he be in the same level with Naruto because it's really really making him look like a ninja who is just strong, the end. Naruto can pretty much own everyone if he becomes the same level as Obito. For all I know, I do think this could lead DBZ movie 7 segment.

[Kster95]

Well if Sakura is going to have some genjustu ability I think it will involve her medic abilities, like maybe she studied which part of the eye gets hit with the genjustu and she is able to heal it, the ultimate dispelling.

[Atheck]

Does anyone here remember what Itachi said all the way back during his battle with Sasuke?
 

 

Perhaps it's this fourth unspecified ocular jutsu that Madara was referring to. Come to think of it, he hasn't revealed what his two MS  jutsu were. I find it odd that Kishi has yet to address these specific plot points. It's possible that Itachi may have been referring to the tengu warrior that Madara used, but then it shouldn't be classified as an entirely new jutsu, just a final evolutionary step for Susanoo. 

 

Any opinions or theories? 

 

Well if Sakura is going to have some genjustu ability I think it will involve her medic abilities, like maybe she studied which part of the eye gets hit with the genjustu and she is able to heal it, the ultimate dispelling.

 

Perhaps it could be used to dispel non-MS ocular genjutsu but for something like Tsukuyomi, Itachi's variant, it was stated that only those who possess MS and Uchiha blood are capable of defeating it. Naturally, someone is going to address  the fact that Sasuke overcame it when he only wielded a regular Sharingan. Well they need to take into consideration the conditions of that fight. Itachi was consciously restraining himself in order to make the fight appear more presentable. Furthermore, he was befallen with a severely degenerative illness which was impacting his jutsu and ability to fight.

 

This is enough cause to question whether Sasuke could have indeed broken Itachi's genjutsu if it was unrestrained and fully potent. 

Edited by Atheck, 09 July 2013 - 10:30 PM.

[ALESSE]

So, it means they were clones which means Hashirama and Tobirama will definitely fight against Obito.

Doesn't matter even if they weren't. Edo resurrections regenerate right there on te spot.

This is gonna be some interesting, battle. I gotta admit I kinda got tried of the alliance dancing around the juubi for half a year. Kakashi gai bee and naruto vs obito was much more interesting.
Obviously the next chapter or two is gonna be about alliance getting crushed by obito. Wonder what kinda power up naruto is gonna get to match that. And same goes with sasuke.

[Kster95]

Does anyone here remember what Itachi said all the way back during his battle with Sasuke?
 

 

 

Perhaps it's this fourth unspecified ocular jutsu that Madara was referring to. Come to think of it, he hasn't revealed what his two MS  jutsu were. I find it odd that Kishi has yet to address these specific plot points. It's possible that Itachi may have been referring to the tengu warrior that Madara used, but then it shouldn't be classified as an entirely new jutsu, just a final evolutionary step for Susanoo. 

 

Any opinions or theories? 

 

I dont think his MS has any special ability, he has Tsukuyomi, Amaterasu and a Susanoo, like Sasuke and Itachi.

Edited by Kster95, 09 July 2013 - 10:48 PM.

[Atheck]

I dont think his MS has any special ability, he has Tsukuyomi, Amaterasu and a Susanoo, like Sasuke and Itachi.

 

Itachi specifically noted that EMS grants a 4th eye ability and nothing has been presented to challenge that allegation. 

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@atheck
I think what itachi means is rinnegan.

[Atheck]

@atheck
I think what itachi means is rinnegan.

 

The Rinnegan isn't brought about by the transplantation of a fellow Uchiha's eyes though. You acquire it by injecting Senju DNA into yourself. 

[James S Cassidy]

 

The Rinnegan isn't brought about by the transplantation of a fellow Uchiha's eyes though. You acquire it by injecting Senju DNA into yourself. 

To be honest, I am a bit iffy on this one. Madara said it has a part to play, but he got it only at the end of his life so it wasn't an immediate thing. So there is a possibility that there is more to it than just inject Senju DNA and then gaining it.

What I mean to say is "Injecting Senju DNA is only step one....what is step 2 through 10?"

[Atheck]

To be honest, I am a bit iffy on this one. Madara said it has a part to play, but he got it only at the end of his life so it wasn't an immediate thing. So there is a possibility that there is more to it than just inject Senju DNA and then gaining it.

What I mean to say is "Injecting Senju DNA is only step one....what is step 2 through 10?"

There could be a myriad of unspecified prerequisites that need to be met or it could just take a long period of time for the activation process to be completed. The Rinnegan was originally inherited by the Older Son yet over the generations it apparently devolved into the Sharingan. Its progression cycle back to that original state may have been what Madara was experiencing. But that wouldn't explain the necessity of Senju DNA as the Older Son didn't require it for his doujutsu.

Kishimoto hasn't gone into much detail about it and I doubt that he will in the future. There are a few details and plot concepts that he established but chose not to explore or elaborate on for whatever reason. The ambiguity behind the Sharingan's devolution from the Rinnegan may be one of them.

Edited by Atheck, 10 July 2013 - 12:56 AM.

[TouKen4Life3g]

It's a bit eery that my prediction with FMA meets Naruto is somewhat happening. If you remember my old post, then you know what I mean. Lucky me, I guess. Lol. But then again, that will require Sakura to.......Hm....Juubi's target is Naruto....Nah...

[Strangelove]

 

The Rinnegan isn't brought about by the transplantation of a fellow Uchiha's eyes though. You acquire it by injecting Senju DNA into yourself. 

 

Or in Orochimaru's case, absorbing Sasuke, and injecting Hashirama's DNA on himself. The rinnegan is the pathway to learn every jutsu, and even revive the death. Kind of what Orochimaru wanted from the start.

 

 

But I believe there is more to it than just fusing 2 strands together. Madara learned the ironic way as he only awaken the rinnegan near the end of his life...when he was unable to fully use it.

 

 

 

 

ohh ohh ohh edit edit: What if Kishi is taking a page out of DBZ here, and implying that the Juubi and the Hermit were once a single being, and that single being was the real progenitor before splitting himself into two beings one evil and one good. You know...like Piccolo or Majin Buu.

Edited by Strangelove, 10 July 2013 - 01:27 AM.